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llKenZyll
United States853 Posts
They are all really good at this game because their micro is good. Because of their good micro, they can counter Banelings with Marines and can EMP a protoss army and snipe Brood Lords. Seriously, Ultralisks are supposed to counter ghosts but its the other way around. Blizzard sees these high level koreans dominate the ladder and they think that the race is imbalanced, when in reality, terrans are suffering in the lower leagues because they dont have the micro to pull off what the pros do. | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:25 werynais wrote: It's funny how half the people say "I switched races because terran was too EZ"  Even more funny when they said that they switched 9+ months ago. | ||
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spbelky
United States623 Posts
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On December 16 2011 06:06 SystemAddict wrote: Exactly what I mean by your not being able to prove the sun rises every day. Maybe you should stop RAGING and go to the store, buy a video camera, and record the sun rise every single day for the rest of eternity instead of sitting inside all day RAGING that more people regard Protoss as an easier to play race than Terran. Video taping the sun rising doesn't prove it will rise the next day. Having an eternity of days worth of video of the sun rising, also doesn't prove that it will rise the next day. All evidence allows is for predictions, but until the actual event occurs it is merely that--a prediction. Terran right now "feels" difficult to play anecdotal. It does not mean that terran is a hard race to play. And even if it was true that terran is a hard race to play, the difficulty of terran is unrelated to the difficulty of the other two races. Here are the only facts that are relevant. A.)Terran players are less represented in some subgroups of the overall SC2 community. B.) The number of "Big Tournaments" won by "foreigner" Terrans is not as many as the other two races. That's it. Everything else is merely assumptions and gut feelings. These feelings instills in us a need to make declarative statements that help us define the overall structure of our experience. It is normal for feelings of frustration and helplessness to cause a person to invent blame and to place it on to something concrete. The reality is that we can only take the information we have, accept it as biased, and try to use that information to make decisions about ourselves. When I play Terran everyday, I don't mess up my micro that much. When I only play a few days a week, I lose the ability to micro. I am unwilling to change my life's schedule to fit the needs of playing Terran, so I switch to Zerg. Not because it is easier to play Zerg, it's simply that the I didn't want to spend the little play time I had on stutter step micro practice and instead I'm directing it towards larva inject practice. Larva Injects might not need the hand speed of stutter step, but it takes a lot more concentration and long term effort to do. Neither is more difficult to do than the other. They're simply different, and we make a choice to choose one over the other based purely on whether it feels more fun or less fun to do one instead of the other. Terran is not more or less difficult than the other races. Terran is merely different than the other races. The lack of foreign Terran champions coinciding with a decreased ladder presence (in some subgroups of the totality) is unrelated to how difficult or easy it is to play Terran much like the sun rising today is unrelated to the sun rising tomorrow. The Sun rising tomorrow does not do so *because* the sun rose today. Both suns rise for their own reasons and in their own times. Foreign Terrans not winning a lot of tournaments is not the reason why a random ladder player is having a hard time playing Terran. Nor is the difficulty some random scrub has with Terran the reason that foreign Terrans are not dominating the scene in the same way Korean players are. Correlation does not equal causation. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On December 16 2011 06:47 SupLilSon wrote: Well it is very discouraging to be beating master level zergs and terrans and then to go on a 6 game losing streak to toss, culminating in a super disheartening loss to top plat toss. This has been happening a lot, especially to those of us who don't have the luxury of honing our mechanics 12 hours a day... If you honestly beat masters terrans and zerg but lose to diamond/platinum toss your TvP just plain out sucks. Don't blame it on balance, man. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7434 Posts
Sounds like you have a scientific background I likie <3 | ||
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petro1987
Brazil374 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:38 karpo wrote: If you honestly beat masters terrans and zerg but lose to diamond/platinum toss your ZvP just plain out sucks. Don't blame it on balance, man. I guess his ZvP should suck considering he plays T. | ||
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Rye.
United Kingdom88 Posts
seperate subject: Calling it reclassified really doesnt make it any better. "Demotion" would be the same, or just "You suck, get back in gold". no matter how its put it will hurt all the same and make you wanna quit. | ||
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Beastyqt
Serbia516 Posts
On December 16 2011 02:51 ToInfinity wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/2131_Empire.Beastyqt worst winrate vs Terran, winrates vs the ''easy'' races much higher Except that terran players I play are either Korean terrans or Kas, Strelok, Bratok, Happy etc while protosses and zergs I play are much worse than them? -.- TvT is my best matchup for more than 4-5 months now, while TvP is worst, TLPD means crap and every pro player will tell you that. On December 16 2011 03:01 SCTallbus wrote: I haven't seen a legitimate Terran argument. First of all, BeastyQT, is a very mediocre Terran player, so it figures that he thinks his race is so hard. Terran has been nerfed over from ridiculous imba, to almost balanced, bad players are switching because they can't just a-move anymore and have to try. No, Terran doesn't take the APM that Zerg does, by a long shot, nor does it take any kind of macro even close. Please don't insult Zerg by making it seem as easy as T. Yeah sure im shit player, now go ahead and name me top 10 terrans outside Korea, dont include Select since he's Korean - name as many as you can remember, you are probably one of those people who watch LAN's once a month and think they know shit about scene, please. Are you really that stupid to say that terran is ALMOST balanced now and since terran isnt super OP just OP now terrans are switching? MMA said in his interview even practise is frustrating now vs other 2 races. | ||
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Naeroon
Canada166 Posts
 Oh and just wanted to say I'm a big fan, you definitely are one of the best foreign terrans I can think of | ||
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Zex.317
United States9 Posts
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On December 16 2011 07:38 karpo wrote: If you honestly beat masters terrans and zerg but lose to diamond/platinum toss your TvP just plain out sucks. Don't blame it on balance, man. What an astute observation, I had just begun to come to the same conclusion after witnessing my TvP % go below 30... Something Jinro said strikes very close to home for me. He basically said, none of the qualities that make him good at TvZ and TvT translate into TvP. That's exactly the way I feel. Something for me is just not clicking in TvP and it's been like this since I can remember. All throughout the "T>P" phase I struggled severely in TvP. And how do you have the audacity to tell me my TvP sucks when you have never seen a single one of my games. Really rude. | ||
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Hane
France210 Posts
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Penecks
United States600 Posts
Terran has a great midgame IMO and that's where I see korean pros most exploit their opponents. Early game T favored? Maybe slightly in TvZ, but TvP? I mean when's the last time anyone has died to a 2 or 3rax, compared to a void ray all-in. I see pro T streamers die to 6gates that a platinum player could execute all the time. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On December 16 2011 08:12 SupLilSon wrote: What an astute observation, I had just begun to come to the same conclusion after witnessing my TvP % go below 30... Something Jinro said strikes very close to home for me. He basically said, none of the qualities that make him good at TvZ and TvT translate into TvP. That's exactly the way I feel. Something for me is just not clicking in TvP and it's been like this since I can remember. All throughout the "T>P" phase I struggled severely in TvP. And how do you have the audacity to tell me my TvP sucks when you have never seen a single one of my games. Really rude. Well... | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Which was useful in the jungle or whatever, but it does make people annoying whiners now that we wouldn't need this trait anymore. | ||
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Fig
United States1324 Posts
On December 16 2011 08:01 Empire.Beastyqt wrote: Except that terran players I play are either Korean terrans or Kas, Strelok, Bratok, Happy etc while protosses and zergs I play are much worse than them? -.- TvT is my best matchup for more than 4-5 months now, while TvP is worst, TLPD means crap and every pro player will tell you that. Yeah sure im shit player, now go ahead and name me top 10 terrans outside Korea, dont include Select since he's Korean - name as many as you can remember, you are probably one of those people who watch LAN's once a month and think they know shit about scene, please. Are you really that stupid to say that terran is ALMOST balanced now and since terran isnt super OP just OP now terrans are switching? MMA said in his interview even practise is frustrating now vs other 2 races. It does make sense that MMA finds practice more frustrating now. Terrans have been nerfed recently, directly, and indirectly through other races being buffed. I'm sure every terran finds it harder than before. But it's impossible to tell at this point whether the game is balanced or not. We can only say it is easier or harder for certain races to win than it was in the past. | ||
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
On December 16 2011 08:24 Dandel Ion wrote: From a purely bio(psycho)logical standpoint, it's obvious that everybody thinks their race is weakest, since we remember negative things better than positive. Which was useful in the jungle or whatever, but it does make people annoying whiners now that we wouldn't need this trait anymore. And has to do with attributing negative stuff to external factors (I lose, game must be imbalanced) and positive stuff towards yourself (I won, I must be amazing at this game). Terran might be in a more difficult spot now than before (not really convinced yet, no hard numbers to confirm) but the current QQ'ing going on seems out of proportion, i.e. even worse than Zerg when they actually had a point. ~ edit Well, to be fair since some nerfs to Terran and buffs to e.g. Protoss, Terran IS in a more difficult spot than before of course. But is it as horrible as people say, is it even bad at all? I am not convinced ^^ | ||
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DarkEnergy
Netherlands542 Posts
I suck ZvT don't know how to deal with them. They cheese allot turtle like hell and its generally frustrating to play against them. So i have a healthy dislike of them as a result. Sometimes i just have to stop playing after a match with a Terran because of the shit they trow at me T-T Rather play ZvZ | ||
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