|
Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On November 06 2011 13:07 chaoser wrote:
Shitty logic, radfield being very inactive and being alive are all part of it. If I was mafia why would I kill igrok/bum? I would kill you and radfield.
Man, it used to be if I was alive Day 3 people got suspicious....
I've been feeling like shit Chaoser, and working every evening, just like I'm going to work tonight as well. However, I'm starting to feel up so I should hopefully be back in full force tomorrow. Fortunately my partner has been more than active enough for both of us. Also, I challenge you to find a game where I was scum and posted this little. I'll help you out, it doesn't exist. There are reasons for my inactivity, but being scum is not one of them.
If you think me and bugs are scum, do the work and build a case against us.
On November 06 2011 14:25 chaoser wrote:The fact that you're still pushing for my lynch and voting for me says you think it makes sense that I shot iGrok/Bum. The fact of the matter is that it makes NO SENSE and that if you were actually townie you'd have noticed that and you would be reconsidering right now.
You cannot use the nightkill as hard evidence you are town Chaoser. You should know this. You also keep stating that mafia would have just coasted to a no-lynch, but that is simply not the case. A lynch is more beneficial to mafia because it
means a save doesn't extend the day.
___________
I think Chaoser and Hyshes are scum. This should be apparent. If people want another wall of text to add to bugs, I will deliver, but for now it should do.
For emphasis:
##Vote: Team EDWARD
On November 06 2011 14:54 sandroba wrote:
It's indeed suspicious that wbg/rad didn't get shot tonight, but honestly they have not been on my radar before the day shift.
This is bullshit Sandro, and you should know it. It is not remotely suspicious that me and bugs are not dead after a single night kill. Day 3 maybe, Day 4 sure, but not after a single KP. Me and bugs were originally the only team composed of two very active experienced players. That makes us both a target for KP and protection, and that should be obvious. However, there exist two teams just below that threshold: Sandro+Decon, and iGrok + Bum. The fact that iGrok and Bum got hit is not remotely surprising, especially after Bum showed he was playing the game.
Sandro, other than the team that has done nothing all game, who is the best lynch. You can say you're happy lynching a team that doesn't care about the game, but I would much rather hit scum today(though I freely admit Nipple may very well be scum).
On November 06 2011 06:24 sandroba wrote:
Just throwing this out there: I belive mafia is amongst team nipple/edward/switzerland. All the other teams look town to me.
Since Switzerland is dead, and Nipple is useless, does that mean you are willing to lynch Edward today?
Supersoft and Greymist, you guys need to ramp it up.
|
lol. I'll be busy today cause I'll be out all day shooting people at Skirmish USA. If anyone read my exchange with WBG and his still insistence that I'm the best lynch even given the inconsistencies of the kills and his bad analysis of my team yesterday which is still based off shitty meta (chaoser is more active/is emotional/etc. etc.) I got a nice post for when I come back for him though =]. In the mean time I hope hyshes can fill in for me lol. Vote WBG/Radfield though!
|
I'm sure I solved who mafia are and so soon my work will be done =] and all I needed was to turn on a bit of heat/pressure last night,
|
I said to myself before the day flip that if Chezinu or Liquid weren't killed, then there's a massive chance Chezinu is mafia. There was no reason not to try and kill off Radfield at the first opportunity. Saying 'there was only 1KP' means nothing, when you look at the alternative hits. No point killing me + Sandro as we barely avoided a lynch. No point killing bum+iGrok as they weren't really doing anything. Radfield is the best scumhunter in the game and WBG has been super active. I would be very surprised if they weren't scum.
|
On November 06 2011 22:23 deconduo wrote:
I said to myself before the day flip that if Chezinu or Liquid weren't killed, then there's a massive chance Chezinu is mafia. There was no reason not to try and kill off Radfield at the first opportunity. Saying 'there was only 1KP' means nothing, when you look at the alternative hits. No point killing me + Sandro as we barely avoided a lynch. No point killing bum+iGrok as they weren't really doing anything. Radfield is the best scumhunter in the game and WBG has been super active. I would be very surprised if they weren't scum.
Your logic is weird. I think almost every team has a worthwhile player. I know how deadly sandroba is when he isn't drunk, I know how good I am when I actually put in the D2 effort. Gmarshal is a scary force to reckon with as mafia, and on reputation alone chaoser is also a great hit.
That's 4 different teams right there, and I don't even remember who their partners were.
|
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
The scum objective for the night one hit was to snipe the medic/jailer so their hit on me and red will go through tonight before we pull off our check. igrok was maintaining a low profile and bum was making some extremely pro-town posts during the night. If you''re going to make a case against someone, it can just be "They're still alive?!"
On November 06 2011 14:54 sandroba wrote:
I'm not afraid of lynching someone that doesn't give a fuck about this game, and you can bear the blame of the loss if you are town.
Could you explain how this doesn't apply to yourself?
On November 06 2011 06:24 sandroba wrote:
Just throwing this out there: I belive mafia is amongst team nipple/edward/switzerland. All the other teams look town to me.
On November 06 2011 15:08 sandroba wrote:
I'd lynch kurumi and rol.
These are your biggest contributions to the game thus far. You provide no explanation regarding your opinion.
On November 04 2011 03:49 sandroba wrote:
I don't and I will do my part to ensure we no lynch today, unless someone comes up if a more convincing case.
On November 06 2011 14:54 sandroba wrote:
Ok I gather you guys think each other is mafia but I'd like to see a well constructed argument from both of you.
You're looking for others to provide arguments, rather than pushing one yourself.
On November 04 2011 03:49 sandroba wrote:
Your case on prpl is no where near good enough and you know it. You'd rather lynch him on this flimsy evidence?
Your team votes for the team you see as town. Seems like a common trend on the Viking lynch. Has there been no discussion between yourself and deconduo?
@RoL Are you really waiting 117 hours into the game to make your first post? You ask us not to judge you until then, but that means the first time we can look at you is LYLO, assuming this lynch falls through. What kind of position does that put us in?
|
On November 01 2011 17:50 Palmar wrote:
Team list:
1. TEAM SS - (sandroba & Sevryn Deconduo) - Alive
2. TEAM VIKING - (Forumite & prplhz) - Lynched day 1 - Vanilla Town
3. TEAM CHEZINU - (Radfield & wherebugsgo) - Alive
4. TEAM NIPPLE - (Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD) - Alive
5. TEAM LIQUID - (Crofty & Gmarshal) - Alive
6. TEAM S&G CONSULTING - (supersoft & GreYMisT) - Alive
7. TEAM EDWARD - (chaoser & hyshes) - Alive
8. TEAM SWITZERLAND - (iGrok & Katzeleute Bumatlarge) - Killed night 1 - Vanilla Town
9. TEAM RED21 - (redFF & kitaman27) - Alive
okay, since we discuss the nightkill, i also want to share my thought on that.
the discussion about the nightkill is always to an extend a WIFOM discussion. However it's not completely useless.
On November 07 2011 00:14 kitaman27 wrote:
The scum objective for the night one hit was to snipe the medic/jailer so their hit on me and red will go through tonight before we pull off our check. igrok was maintaining a low profile and bum was making some extremely pro-town posts during the night.
I cannot agree more with that statement. The kill on team Switzerland makes perfect sense. They could have been blue, iGrok made a reasonable case against SS and they looked pretty townish over all.
Much more townish than Rad/WBG and GM. GM accused two teams, one is very likely blue and still alive, the other team was green and got lynched day1.
Rad isn't talking a whole lot and WBG is accusing chaoser hardcore who i expect to be town.
Killing iGrok instead of these two is reasonable.
Therefor the kill wasn't unexpected at all. Because of that, there is no need for us to completely turn around, get really paranoid and accuse people because they are "still" alive (after night1!!!)
|
On November 06 2011 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think today we need to look at lynching one of edward/SS/nipple.
At least one of those teams is scum, and I think Edward provides the best chance of finding scum there.
@GM, bum thought I was scum, and iGrok thought the sandro team was scum. Other than that there isn't much to go on.
what do you think of liquid?
|
@radfield After a parity cop claim there was no reason not to hit you guys. As decon said both our team and igrok's could be much more easily pushed as a lynch today then yours. It IS suspicious that you are alive, since for me you were the logical hit were you town (based on reputation and the amount of effort wbg is putting on this game as you said).
Also, how much are you following this game or talking to wbg? It's really strange that you are both on the same page on chaoser/hyshes, since the case is not that strong imo. Do you agree completely with everything wbg has been saying? He usually plays this agressive and forces the issue, but that's not your style from what I gather.
|
Also the fact that I'm still not certain who is scum points toward scum doing a good job. Team chezinu (for being skilled) and team switzerland (for being really inactive) would certainly be a mafia team that fit this scenario. It's also weird that suddenly RoL pops in to call the "rad'wbg still alive" crap, while otherwise saying nothing. He is clearly reading the thread as he shows up when called out, but apparently doesn't have time to say anything about anything else.
|
On November 07 2011 02:14 sandroba wrote:
Also the fact that I'm still not certain who is scum points toward scum doing a good job. Team chezinu (for being skilled) and team switzerland (for being really inactive) would certainly be a mafia team that fit this scenario. It's also weird that suddenly RoL pops in to call the "rad'wbg still alive" crap, while otherwise saying nothing. He is clearly reading the thread as he shows up when called out, but apparently doesn't have time to say anything about anything else.
Sandro is scum....town sandro is not dumb, he would know team Switzerland is dead.
Rofl @ trying to spin us plus switzerland being a viable scumteam when one half is dead sandro, real convenient.
(I'm on my phone btw, I will address other concerns soon)
##unvote
##vote team SS
|
Yeah, I'm scum because I confused team switzerland for w/e name rol's team has, clearly.
|
On November 06 2011 21:13 Radfield wrote:
If you think me and bugs are scum, do the work and build a case against us.
I want to reiterate this.
First of all, if you think we're scum, build a case instead of just saying "oh they're scum cause they're still alive!" That's not a case, and it's not even an admission of fact. It's just baseless speculation.
Second thing I want to reiterate is this:
On November 06 2011 21:13 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 06:24 sandroba wrote:
Just throwing this out there: I belive mafia is amongst team nipple/edward/switzerland. All the other teams look town to me. Since Switzerland is dead, and Nipple is useless, does that mean you are willing to lynch Edward today? Supersoft and Greymist, you guys need to ramp it up.
Despite it being posted multiple times in the thread that Switzerland is dead, sandroba still thinks they are alive.
Can someone tell me when town sandroba is so useless that he doesn't even know who died the previous night?
On November 06 2011 22:23 deconduo wrote:
I said to myself before the day flip that if Chezinu or Liquid weren't killed, then there's a massive chance Chezinu is mafia.
So liquid is our scum partner, is this what you're saying?
LOL.
Decon, there are plenty of teams right now who could potentially be scum. Two teams right now are posting relatively well: the kita half of red21, and team S&G (though their posts are few)
Team Edward, team nipple, and team liquid could all be your buddies, though it makes sense for Team Edward to be so, particularly as chaoser has been slipping in things about scum not being lurkers and inactive. That's rather bullshit, since sandro has just jumped from scummy to scummiest by simply showing ignorance of the night kill.
On November 07 2011 01:07 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 12:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think today we need to look at lynching one of edward/SS/nipple.
At least one of those teams is scum, and I think Edward provides the best chance of finding scum there.
@GM, bum thought I was scum, and iGrok thought the sandro team was scum. Other than that there isn't much to go on. what do you think of liquid?
I think they could be scum, but personally I think they're not because sandro and GM went at each other on day 1. I don't think scum would attack each other on day 1 in a game this small. GM looked way more townie than sandro, and sandro basically just said something that only a scum sandro would ever say (that is, something so dumb as to go, wtf?)
Town sandro reads the thread and is relatively active in scumhunting. He uses good reasoning and I almost always agree with 100% of what he's saying. In this game, I agree with maybe 40% and then go ??? on the other 60. Then he says Switzerland+Chezinu would be the best chance for a scum team when it's been reiterated at least twice that Switzerland is dead.
Plus, chaoser and I had a huge argument about what iGrok/bum being dead means and he apparently missed that entire, huge exchange. Only a scum sandroba would just completely neglect reading like that, and as I've said repeatedly, I'm not going to tolerate illiteracy during this game.
On November 07 2011 02:02 sandroba wrote:
@radfield After a parity cop claim there was no reason not to hit you guys. As decon said both our team and igrok's could be much more easily pushed as a lynch today then yours. It IS suspicious that you are alive, since for me you were the logical hit were you town (based on reputation and the amount of effort wbg is putting on this game as you said).
Also, how much are you following this game or talking to wbg? It's really strange that you are both on the same page on chaoser/hyshes, since the case is not that strong imo. Do you agree completely with everything wbg has been saying? He usually plays this agressive and forces the issue, but that's not your style from what I gather.
In the words of Ace,
On January 10 2011 11:52 Ace wrote:
Sometimes it's just better to think of a simple answer. You have no idea what the Mafia know and don't know their motives. Hence it's just a simple decision on who is more believable here.
We don't know scum motives, and WIFOMing ourselves into trying to figure out why they didn't shoot us is a nearly pointless discussion. Perhaps they didn't shoot us because we didn't have clout and they wanted to destroy our credibility. Perhaps they shot iGrok and bum because they were blue hunting. Perhaps they didn't shoot us to set up a mislynch on us today. Perhaps they shot iGrok and bum because they had a suspicion of team SS! Who knows? There are multitudes of reasons they could've shot iGrok/bum over us, and leaving out those other reasons to fixate on us is simply bad logic.
I am highly suspicious of team SS+Edward right now, and would be fine with either of them taking the axe today, but I think team SS has become the better choice in light of the simple fact that sandro doesn't know that Switzerland is dead.
|
On November 07 2011 03:12 sandroba wrote:
Yeah, I'm scum because I confused team switzerland for w/e name rol's team has, clearly.
Even if you confused it for RoL's team, this post came after Radfield pointed out to you that team Switzerland is dead.
So you admit you haven't even been reading the posts in this thread?
Wtf sandro?
|
No, I admit I confused the names. I know igrok+bum are dead but I don't give a fuck about their name of choice. The fact that you are using that as evidence and change your vote to whoever is suspicious of you says a lot about your aligment.
|
|
|
On November 07 2011 03:41 sandroba wrote:
No, I admit I confused the names. I know igrok+bum are dead but I don't give a fuck about their name of choice. The fact that you are using that as evidence and change your vote to whoever is suspicious of you says a lot about your aligment.
lol
|
Wbg, have you and rad been discussing the game at all? How much?
|
On November 07 2011 03:49 sandroba wrote:
Wbg, have you and rad been discussing the game at all? How much?
We discussed a bit yesterday and he thought chaoser was the best choice for lynch yesterday. He also found you suspicious for your passive, no lynch plan. He thought, IIRC, that GM is town. (although don't quote me on that) I haven't been able to contact him recently; I know as much about his inactivity as the rest of you (as in, all I know is that he's probably sick)
I agreed with almost everything he said except I was less sure about you. He seemed more sure that your behavior in thread was suspicious. I tend to agree with that now, seeing as you're not really doing anything, and you've displayed a neglect for reading the thread.
|
Guys id like to apoligize for my inactivity for the past day, I went home this weekend and have been doing a lot of other things. However I will re-read the massive exchange that has gone on in the time I was absent. In the meantime I feel me and super are on the same page for the most part, so he can speak for our team.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
