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hyshes
Profile Joined December 2010
Belgium428 Posts
November 07 2011 00:04 GMT
#741
On November 07 2011 09:01 GreYMisT wrote:
Hyshes, if chaoser said no to vote team SS, who would be your next pick? disregarding what chaoser would think.


probably team nipple. They haven't attacked anyone all game long.
How does liquid slide? Liquid horns Hero after the synonym. How can Hero return beside the driver? The moving feat expenses the mortal. Will Hero pause?
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
November 07 2011 00:58 GMT
#742
I AM DRUNK WITH RUSSIaNS!!!!!!!
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
November 07 2011 01:05 GMT
#743
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 07 2011 02:42 GMT
#744
Crofty is doing a great a RoL impersonation.

Kurumi is completely absent.

Radfield is sick.

GM is too busy with his pony cult.

Sandroba isn't trying.

chaoser is only around to defend himself.

RoL promises will post 2 hours before the deadline on DAY TWO.

Looking good.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 07 2011 03:33 GMT
#745
On November 07 2011 11:42 kitaman27 wrote:
Crofty is doing a great a RoL impersonation.

Kurumi is completely absent.

Radfield is sick.

GM is too busy with his pony cult.

Sandroba isn't trying.

chaoser is only around to defend himself.

RoL promises will post 2 hours before the deadline on DAY TWO.

Looking good.


In all fairness, red is a moron and grey isn't doing anything, so I'm pretty sure every single team has at least one person MIA or useless.

Several have two.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 07 2011 03:40 GMT
#746
This is what it looks like right now:

1. TEAM SS - (scumdroba & goneduo) - Alive
2. TEAM VIKING - (Deadmite & prplhzzzzzzzzzzzz) - Lynched day 1 - Vanilla Town
3. TEAM CHEZINU - (Sickfield & wherebugsgo) - Alive
4. TEAM NIPPLE - (Kuru"mia" & RebirthOfUsElesS) - Alive
5. TEAM LIQUID - (FakeRoL & GPony) - Alive
6. TEAM S&G CONSULTING - (supertown & GreYMissing) - Alive
7. TEAM EDWARD - (defender & heyshe'sdisappeared) - Alive
8. TEAM SWITZERLAND - (iShot & Corpseatlarge) - Killed night 1 - Vanilla Town
9. TEAM RED21 - (derpFF & copman27) - Alive
Kavdragon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
November 07 2011 03:49 GMT
#747
On November 07 2011 11:42 kitaman27 wrote:
GM is too busy with his pony colt.


Corrected.
I'm currently on an indefinite hiatus from TL =(
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 07 2011 03:53 GMT
#748
you forgot to do one for youself WBG.

I for one find it odd that after a 2 page dialogue between yourslef and chasor, plus a massive post detailing his teams scumminess, that you would vote team SS on what was initially very little analysis.
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 07 2011 03:58 GMT
#749
On November 07 2011 12:53 GreYMisT wrote:
you forgot to do one for youself WBG.

I for one find it odd that after a 2 page dialogue between yourslef and chasor, plus a massive post detailing his teams scumminess, that you would vote team SS on what was initially very little analysis.


I think they're both good lynches, I just think sandro is better.

I don't know how much you've played with sandro, but he's one of those players where, if he starts saying stuff that sounds wrong or is not well reasoned, he's scum. Indeed, his activity this game is atrocious, his logic is terrible, his plan was really bad, he has taken a very passive attitude when it comes to finding scum, and he hasn't been reading the thread to boot.

In addition, his team is rather connected to chaoser's, if you haven't noticed.

Also it's really odd that he keeps saying "I don't like your case on chaoser's team" without actually detailing what parts of my analysis are bad. He says there's a bunch of stuff that makes chaoser look town but doesn't explain that, and says that a lot of my points don't contribute to chaoser being scummy.

Then at the same time, he says he's still suspicious of chaoser+hyshes. He seems to be straddling both sides of the issue without actually taking a stance. A town sandro would take one stance and push it, not flip flop like this.

In addition, I know I'm prone to getting heated and very aggressive, so after the dialogue I had with chaoser I think it's best that the two of them (hyshes and chaoser) are left alone for a bit to see how they will act until lynch tomorrow. Not so impressed with hyshes's comeback to the thread.
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
November 07 2011 04:10 GMT
#750
On November 07 2011 12:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 12:53 GreYMisT wrote:
you forgot to do one for youself WBG.

I for one find it odd that after a 2 page dialogue between yourslef and chasor, plus a massive post detailing his teams scumminess, that you would vote team SS on what was initially very little analysis.


I think they're both good lynches, I just think sandro is better.

I don't know how much you've played with sandro, but he's one of those players where, if he starts saying stuff that sounds wrong or is not well reasoned, he's scum. Indeed, his activity this game is atrocious, his logic is terrible, his plan was really bad, he has taken a very passive attitude when it comes to finding scum, and he hasn't been reading the thread to boot.

In addition, his team is rather connected to chaoser's, if you haven't noticed.

Also it's really odd that he keeps saying "I don't like your case on chaoser's team" without actually detailing what parts of my analysis are bad. He says there's a bunch of stuff that makes chaoser look town but doesn't explain that, and says that a lot of my points don't contribute to chaoser being scummy.

Then at the same time, he says he's still suspicious of chaoser+hyshes. He seems to be straddling both sides of the issue without actually taking a stance. A town sandro would take one stance and push it, not flip flop like this.

In addition, I know I'm prone to getting heated and very aggressive, so after the dialogue I had with chaoser I think it's best that the two of them (hyshes and chaoser) are left alone for a bit to see how they will act until lynch tomorrow. Not so impressed with hyshes's comeback to the thread.


I think I only have played with him in LoTR and in pypi. Maybe werewolves but i dont remember if he was in that one or not. But because he was blue i think in lotr and operated mostly in PMs in pypi, i dont really have any reads on the way he normally plays.

Taking meta out of the question because of those reasons, I think my feelings that me and super outlined on day1 are still valid. I am up for a Team SS or a nipple lynch.

I might have missed it in your many recent posts, but do you have any thoughts regarding team nipple? Not taking into account the fact that they have been absent, their posting when they are here is very shady.


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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 07 2011 04:31 GMT
#751
On November 07 2011 13:10 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 12:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
On November 07 2011 12:53 GreYMisT wrote:
you forgot to do one for youself WBG.

I for one find it odd that after a 2 page dialogue between yourslef and chasor, plus a massive post detailing his teams scumminess, that you would vote team SS on what was initially very little analysis.


I think they're both good lynches, I just think sandro is better.

I don't know how much you've played with sandro, but he's one of those players where, if he starts saying stuff that sounds wrong or is not well reasoned, he's scum. Indeed, his activity this game is atrocious, his logic is terrible, his plan was really bad, he has taken a very passive attitude when it comes to finding scum, and he hasn't been reading the thread to boot.

In addition, his team is rather connected to chaoser's, if you haven't noticed.

Also it's really odd that he keeps saying "I don't like your case on chaoser's team" without actually detailing what parts of my analysis are bad. He says there's a bunch of stuff that makes chaoser look town but doesn't explain that, and says that a lot of my points don't contribute to chaoser being scummy.

Then at the same time, he says he's still suspicious of chaoser+hyshes. He seems to be straddling both sides of the issue without actually taking a stance. A town sandro would take one stance and push it, not flip flop like this.

In addition, I know I'm prone to getting heated and very aggressive, so after the dialogue I had with chaoser I think it's best that the two of them (hyshes and chaoser) are left alone for a bit to see how they will act until lynch tomorrow. Not so impressed with hyshes's comeback to the thread.


I think I only have played with him in LoTR and in pypi. Maybe werewolves but i dont remember if he was in that one or not. But because he was blue i think in lotr and operated mostly in PMs in pypi, i dont really have any reads on the way he normally plays.

Taking meta out of the question because of those reasons, I think my feelings that me and super outlined on day1 are still valid. I am up for a Team SS or a nipple lynch.

I might have missed it in your many recent posts, but do you have any thoughts regarding team nipple? Not taking into account the fact that they have been absent, their posting when they are here is very shady.




I agree with most of the sentiment regarding team nipple. As I said earlier today, I think the lynch needs to fall between Edward/SS/nipple. After I reread the thread, I was suspicious of those teams, in that order.

However, there are some problems with the nipple lynch, the main one being that it's another very easy lynch. In fact, it seems we didn't learn much from yesterday, because this nipple lynch is going on unopposed. In fact, I myself would be completely fine with killing them if it wasn't for the fact that sandro is a big advocate of lynching them, and they are not connected to any other teams.

Let's think about this. The only reasonable connection we can make between team nipple is team Edward. Why? Because chaoser mentioned that scum are not likely to be lurkers/inactive, and this would ease suspicion on a team like Kurumi/RoL, neither of whom are ever around. Sandro thinks my team is connected to RoL/Kurumi for RoL saying that me+Rad being alive is not a reason for us to be scum. So, if you believe sandro then the only two connection possibilities for a scum nipple team would be chaoser's team and my team.

Then, look at Kurumi's idea. He advocated a no-lynch on day 1, which is incredibly dumb, but that's almost to be expected from Kurumi. What's interesting about this is not really that Kurumi had an idea, but rather that sandro parroted it. Remember what he did in PYP? He parroted the plans of both Radfield and Mig. It caused both Radfield and Mig to view him more townish. I remember talking to Mig and Radfield and at times both of them used the fact that sandro had made a plan day 1 to call him town. Ofc, the plan was completely unoriginal, passive, and useless, just like it was this game.

I have no idea who RoL is or how he plays, so I can't comment on his lack of effort. Certainly, it's disheartening that he has something like two or three posts since the game started, but he's not the only one. Indeed, just look at decon. He's not playing too far out of his scum play from PYP, either.

Then, what about Kurumi? Is he normally useless? Yep. So we really can't tell anything from that.

If you have time, Greymist, I'd suggest checking out sandro's play in both Some Mafia Game hosted by Ace, and Resurrection Mafia hosted by iGrok. In Resurrection, sandro was very active and caught scum day 1 (along with me) but we double lynched two townies (thanks to the derpness of redFF). Then sandro and I worked together and we had two scum caught on day 2 (ON and bum).

In SMG he was very inactive for the first two days, but he wasn't showing any signs of bad reasoning or illogical behavior. He suddenly became active on day 3 and basically caught the entire scumteam within a few hours. It was jaw-droppingly impressive.

So, by all measures, as kita mentioned earlier, sandro is "not trying." He's pushing easy lynches. He actually just sounds dumb. Town sandro just doesn't do that. That's weird.

Kurumi has been completely useless in every game I have ever played with him, so I can't say that his behavior here is any real indicator of his alignment. Hell, I don't even know what a scum Kurumi would look like.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 07 2011 04:35 GMT
#752
##Unvote
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 07 2011 04:41 GMT
#753
Kita why did you unvote team nipple? Wouldn't it be better to wait until they respond?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 07 2011 04:54 GMT
#754
I don't want to wake up with the lynch out of my control. They can consider my vote still on them.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 07 2011 05:00 GMT
#755
Fair enough. I'm going to peace out till tomorrow as well.

I'll be here for a couple hours (noon to 2 PST) and will be gone for the hour before lynch, for class. I don't know what Radfield will be doing but hopefully he'll be around at least a little before lynch.

I would like the lynch to go between team SS and Edward. If team nipple comes and responds badly they'd be a good lynch too.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 07 2011 05:25 GMT
#756
wbg if somehow you are town this game you are a retard. A suiting nickname following your own line of thought would be wheredidmybrainsgo. You are sprouting nonsense and most of the stuff you said about me regarding both previous games and the current one are flat out lies, but it really seems that you actually believe them. My meta is actually quite easy to determine, when I'm scum I try to look town and when I'm town I don't care about how suspicious I am when I'm stiring things up.
I'm hoping radfield could post more tomorrow and tell me what he thinks so I can actually get a more acurate read without having to sort through all your nonsense.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 07 2011 05:37 GMT
#757
On November 07 2011 14:25 sandroba wrote:
wbg if somehow you are town this game you are a retard. A suiting nickname following your own line of thought would be wheredidmybrainsgo. You are sprouting nonsense and most of the stuff you said about me regarding both previous games and the current one are flat out lies, but it really seems that you actually believe them. My meta is actually quite easy to determine, when I'm scum I try to look town and when I'm town I don't care about how suspicious I am when I'm stiring things up.
I'm hoping radfield could post more tomorrow and tell me what he thinks so I can actually get a more acurate read without having to sort through all your nonsense.


LOL

tell me, what about how I portrayed your meta is a lie?

Parroting that no-lynch plan day 1 certainly seemed like you were trying to appear town, sandro. After that, you disappeared. You did the same exact thing in PYP. Parroted Radfield/Mig (mostly Mig actually) to appear town, then did some PMing, and more or less disappeared.

Every time you come back to the thread you deny what I'm saying but beyond simply denying it you provide no reasoning, no specifics, nothing. "your case on chaoser is bad. wherebugsgo you are a retard. you are spouting nonsense. you are lying."

Try to come up with specifics when you're accusing me, why don't you?
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 07 2011 05:50 GMT
#758
First I didn't parrot w/e kurumi said, he beat me to it and I explained how in my opinion a double no lynch was statistically beneficial to the town. That thought was reinforced after kita claimed p-cop, making no lynch an even better option. Second in pyp mig never posted any plan and my plan was not a parrot of what rad was saying, I even had to convince him that not denying those roles was a better move (and would have pretty much proposed the same thing as town / was a mistake doing it as mafia). PYP I posted an extremlly pro town plan that really did go a long way making people believe I was town. This game I posted some controversial shit that could be argued both ways and would certainly not give me any townie points.
You also acuse me of pushing easy lynches when I'm saying you are scum now and previously said I didn't want to lynch anyone day1. Huh?
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
November 07 2011 06:23 GMT
#759
On November 07 2011 14:50 sandroba wrote:
First I didn't parrot w/e kurumi said, he beat me to it and I explained how in my opinion a double no lynch was statistically beneficial to the town. That thought was reinforced after kita claimed p-cop, making no lynch an even better option. Second in pyp mig never posted any plan and my plan was not a parrot of what rad was saying, I even had to convince him that not denying those roles was a better move (and would have pretty much proposed the same thing as town / was a mistake doing it as mafia). PYP I posted an extremlly pro town plan that really did go a long way making people believe I was town. This game I posted some controversial shit that could be argued both ways and would certainly not give me any townie points.
You also acuse me of pushing easy lynches when I'm saying you are scum now and previously said I didn't want to lynch anyone day1. Huh?


In PYP Mig had the plan of being passive and "holding out" by taking all town roles and letting scum kill each other. Jimbo and I called him out on being too passive and not wanting to actively hunt scum. Your plan was nearly identical to his plan basically saying not denying would be good and we should take town roles instead of trying to steal mafia roles. The only difference really is that Mig didn't say much explicitly about denying roles.

On October 12 2011 23:44 sandroba wrote:
Okay time for Sandroba's Plan (TM).

I've thought long and hard about this game and the ultimate goal for town is to focus on surviving and let the bad guys hopefully and inevitably kill each other. This game will tend to balance itself since the currently winning team will always be focused by all others. Town has a HUGE advantage over all other teams by outnumbering and "outroling" them. Mafia info advantage is extremelly nerfed since they only know their own teamates. So how to exploit this?
We focus on picking information/protection/survival roles. We are surely going to need a little bit of kp too, but that is secondary. By limiting where on the player pick order kp can be chosen we buff 4 (capitalist/rolecop/bulletbill/tracker) info roles, basically making them aligment checks or close to it. We can hold people that chose kp accountable by knowing where they are. We shall not try to deny any roles to mafia and let them fight for them and get insta-nailed when caught having one of those roles. My list would be the following, really simple (of course inventor is considered prot/info):



On October 14 2011 17:26 Mig wrote:

2) Turtle hardcore. Just like in SC2 or any other last man standing FFA game the correct strategy for us is to turtle and hope our enemies kill each other. Which means a few things A) Green checks are more valuable than red ones early in the game. DTs I don't believe should be checking suspicious people early on. DTs should check people they think are likely town, not likely to be framed/gf and could possibly be protective roles. Then try to organize these protections to protect each other and insure mafia are not. Obviously there is always a risk of your check not being true so use your own discretion before claiming but forming small circles of mostly confirmed townies and trying to survive until the end game is how we will win. Remember we cannot win, even if we lynch correctly everyday, if the mafia do not shoot each other and we get some protections. Our goal should be to keep each other alive and let the mafias do much of our work for us. B) No DT should ever claim, unless we are very far into the game, to get a red lynched. And in fact make sure not to push in a way that could even make people suspect you as a dt. Almost half the people in the game are red, a 1-1 trade dt for red is horrible for us so use caution.


I will admit though, I was wrong about in which order the plans appeared in PYP. I thought Mig's plan appeared first (but that wasn't the case)

Also, other than the denying part, it pretty much WAS what Rad was saying. Your plan revolved around holding out by getting town roles like investigation and protection. All three of you were saying that, the only difference was that Radfield preferred prioritizing denial and you prioritized KP over denial.

However, how can you say that your plan in PYP was "obviously" pro-town if both Jimbo and I thought it was incredibly shady? We attacked both Mig and you on the basis of your plans. The difference was that Mig seemed to push his with a different agenda than yours. Your attitude wasn't pro-town in that game, and it isn't here.

This game I posted some controversial shit that could be argued both ways and would certainly not give me any townie points.
You also acuse me of pushing easy lynches when I'm saying you are scum now and previously said I didn't want to lynch anyone day1. Huh?


So you're saying you're intentionally appearing scummy? What the fuck? How would that be helpful for town, this late into the game?

Finally, if you want to lynch team nipple, you certainly are pushing easy lynches. Radfield and I are a pretty easy lynch too, seeing as redFF can be convinced with almost anything and you and chaoser solely use the "Radfield is alive therefore he is scum" reason as if it holds weight somehow.

Anyway, I'm leaving now; will be back tomorrow. (damn stats homework)
Forumite
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden3280 Posts
November 07 2011 11:08 GMT
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