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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Kurumi if you could post your opinion on SS and Edward then we might be willing to save you for day three, but it needs to be soon if possible. GM, you based your lynch on me on the fact that I was defending townies on day one, which is exactly what you are doing now. You still haven't provided a strong opinion on scum suspects since the case on Red and I. Could you share who you are voting for before seeing who Team Red21 and Team S&G CONSULTING truely seek to lynch? | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On November 08 2011 01:29 kitaman27 wrote: For being a team who has been a main lynch candidate on day one and day two, votes sure have been having real trouble sticking to Team Edward. Kurumi if you could post your opinion on SS and Edward then we might be willing to save you for day three, but it needs to be soon if possible. GM, you based your lynch on me on the fact that I was defending townies on day one, which is exactly what you are doing now. You still haven't provided a strong opinion on scum suspects since the case on Red and I. Could you share who you are voting for before seeing who Team Red21 and Team S&G CONSULTING truely seek to lynch? I have no fucking idea who to kill right now, as I said I *really* don't want team nipple with me on day 3/lylo, but I'd hate to lynch town again, the thing is, we have no way figuring out their alignment from their actions so far. *sigh*, kita my case was built on you not playing to your usual meta, and ascribing the differences to scum motives, not for any "tells" like defending townies. I said "publishing town lists is bad" not "defending townies is bad" two very different things, one is pro town, the other one looks like a contribution without actually contributing. As to who I want to lynch, I'm not sure, I haven't had the time I wanted to go back and read into people. I thought day 1 that SS was town, but their complete lack of contribution and the fact that sandroba is being stupid (in my opinion) and getting super aggravated has made me rethink that. I might be ok with lynching them. If not, team Edward is ok as a lynch, since they just narrowly avoided it day 1, and as I said, I feel like chaoser's defensiveness and general annoyed attitude are the kind of play he might do while emulating Ace. But then he voted for SS, and I don't know what to make of that. I'm ok with either edward or SS, but I'm feeling kind of sick, so I'm not exactly thinking straight either -__- I'll try to settle on one or the other in the next few hours, but I'd love to hear any arguments towards one or the other. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 05 2011 00:49 GMarshal wrote: You know better than this. You never, ever post "I think this guy is town" or even imply it, as that makes them targets On November 08 2011 01:12 GMarshal wrote: I'm leaning town heavily on them right now On November 06 2011 12:42 GMarshal wrote: I had more of a town feeling on viking than on you On November 04 2011 20:31 GMarshal wrote: First of all let me get on paper that I don't think sandroba is scum On November 08 2011 01:41 GMarshal wrote: I'll try to settle on one or the other in the next few hours, but I'd love to hear any arguments towards one or the other. How does 2:00pm EST sound? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On November 08 2011 01:53 kitaman27 wrote: How does 2:00pm EST sound? I'm still at work then. I'll get back when I get back. Sorry that I can't give you a specific time. Yes, I did have a town feel for SS day 1, I stated that. I've since revised my opinion. You know, as the game evolves we reassess our assumptions, its how we catch scum. It would be silly to decide someone is town day 1 and refuse to consider any further evidence. Anyway, there is a difference between calling someone town for the sake of calling them town (what you were doing) and calling someone town when someone asks you if you think they are scum. I know I said sandroba was town day one, but then I went back and read the thread again. What most makes me suspicious of sandroba is his pissed off attitude, townroba doesn't get that pissed off, his rant against wbg in particular, which boils down to a paragraph of him calling bug stupid is what made me reconsider the whole deal. What makes me suspicious of the chaoser case is how it seems to keep getting shunted aside, when I think there are valid points there. If I had to commit right now, I think I would take SS over Edward. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
I know I said sandroba was town day one, but then I went back and read the thread again. What most makes me suspicious of sandroba is his pissed off attitude, townroba doesn't get that pissed off, his rant against wbg in particular, which boils down to a paragraph of him calling bug stupid is what made me reconsider the whole deal. What makes me suspicious of the chaoser case is how it seems to keep getting shunted aside, when I think there are valid points there. As a comment, I don't understand how people can say "so-and-so doesn't get pissed/angry as town" Townies get just as much pissed off as mafia do. Emotional play does not equal suspicious play. Ace brought it up in PYPI. I just usually take it as null tell and ignore it. What DOES make SS suspicious though is his interaction with WBG and his weird stance on my team. His reasoning for at first being suspicious of my team was because I said I would take an advisory role and then posted a lot (Actually, I'd be the majority poster on my team at this point). He posts: You built a huge case on chaoser, most of which I think is no indication at all of scum behaviour. The main thing that is bothering me about chaoser's team is the fact that he was posting so much when his ass was on the line, despite saying he would not be playing so activily, coupled with the fact that hyshes is gone after causing suspicion to be placed on his team. And while I agree with the opening lines that WBG's case against me is kinda bullshit, sandroba's reasoning for being suspicious of my team is equally, if not more so bullshit. Obviously I would post actively despite my desire to only play on an advisory level if my teammate isn't posting a lot and I don't want town to mislynch on my team. I fail to see how that is any more of an indication of scum behavior than WBG's case was. wbg if somehow you are town this game you are a retard. A suiting nickname following your own line of thought would be wheredidmybrainsgo. You are sprouting nonsense and most of the stuff you said about me regarding both previous games and the current one are flat out lies, but it really seems that you actually believe them. My meta is actually quite easy to determine, when I'm scum I try to look town and when I'm town I don't care about how suspicious I am when I'm stiring things up. I'm hoping radfield could post more tomorrow and tell me what he thinks so I can actually get a more acurate read without having to sort through all your nonsense. Then he posts this in which he says...nothing. "when I'm scum I try to look town and when I'm town I don't care about how suspicious I am when I'm stiring things up." Does that mean "When I'm scum I play very town-like and when I'm town I don't care and I'm actively posting suspiciously/stirring things up."? I'm not quite sure so maybe sandroba can clarify but this post reeks of scumminess. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On November 05 2011 07:15 deconduo wrote: Oh and if Viking flip scum then I'm pretty sure team Chezinu is the last mafia. On November 06 2011 22:23 deconduo wrote: I said to myself before the day flip that if Chezinu or Liquid weren't killed, then there's a massive chance Chezinu is mafia. . On November 07 2011 05:49 deconduo wrote: Thats what I though initially, but now I'm leaning towards Chezinu+Nipple. On November 07 2011 21:09 deconduo wrote: Team Chezinu has to die today, if they don't this game is lost. I've got an idea, instead of you and Sandro spouting how we are scum over and over, you sit down and tell me WHY we are scum. If you're argument boils down to me having low activity, bugs being hyper-aggressive and both of us being alive, then you need to drop this right now. On November 07 2011 04:16 sandroba wrote: You are pushing scum agenda since you are voting whoever is suspicious of you, and not looking at the big picture of who is saying things with scum mentality (which is you). This is patently not true. We have voted Edward, and we have voted you. We discussed your team being scummy long before Bugs voted you, and I'm fine at this point leaving the vote there as you have done nothing to dissuade my initial suspicions. There also doesn't seem to be much broad support lynching Chaoser/Hyshes, though they certainly have not faded off my radar. You guys have been flailing all game Sandro and are guilty of your own accusation: No-lynch -> Red/Kita -> Viking vote -> OMGUS Chezinu vote. This does not alone make you scum, but combined with: *Continual refusal to explain your reasoning * Deliberate twisting of events *Using night-kills to find people suspicious + spending paragraphs discussing scum motives *Making no effort to find scum Day 1 *flip-flopping your views on us based on Bugs voting you ##Vote: Team SS | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Now, I have a post-weekend report I need to write for my boss, so I'm going to be away for at least two hours. I will try to be back before the lynch, but no guarantees. I'm leaving my vote on SS, if crofty shows up he is free to move it around, as I trust his judgment. This puts SS at L-1 so please, for the love of god, no one hammer until the deadline is really close, I think kita has a case he wants to present or something, so wait until you hear that. ##Vote: Team SS | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Team Edward Team Chezinu Team Liquid Team Chezinu: 1 vote Team SS Team Nipple: 1 vote TEAM S&G CONSULTING The following teams need to voted: Team Nipple <-yet to vote Team Red21 <-They voted nipple and then unvoted I think that's the votes so far | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On November 08 2011 01:41 GMarshal wrote: I have no fucking idea who to kill right now, as I said I *really* don't want team nipple with me on day 3/lylo, but I'd hate to lynch town again, the thing is, we have no way figuring out their alignment from their actions so far. I fully agree with this, but lynching Nipple is worthwhile mainly if we have an absence of other targets. We have other excellent targets right now, so there is no reason to vote their way. One of two things will happen by tomorrow, they will have either stepped it up and contributed, or gone even further down the path of lurk. Kurumi, I swear you are deliberately making your posts hard to read, please improve your formatting. + Show Spoiler + On November 08 2011 01:07 GreYMisT wrote: I dont think that WBG/Radfield are scum atm. I had a dream last night that you fell into a volcano to prove your townieness, but then died and flipped scum theif, but again I'm not sure if thats basis for real analysis. So awesome  I would jump into a volcano for all of you guys | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On November 07 2011 22:14 GMarshal wrote: How are his posts repetitive and meaningless? Its easy to make blanket statements, harder to prove them. Prove it, decon. As to everyone who is using "if I were scum, I would have killed team Chezinu", I suggest you read up on the term, WIFOM. Maybe scum is outsourcing the problem, maybe they were afraid of jailkeepers, maybe they were high, don't make assumptions based on who the mafia kills. The only people who can say for sure why someone died is the mafia. Radfield: This one is pretty straightforward. First off I'll compare his voting from his last 2 games before this one, PYPI where he was town, and LOTR where he was scum. Have a look at these posts from the start PYPI: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956¤tpage=13#246 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956¤tpage=13#249 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=269956¤tpage=15#288 Good, well thought out posts with a lot of effort obviously put in. Next look at the start of LOTR: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264699¤tpage=8#156 While this is good advice and helpful, its obvious that he hasn't put anything close to the same amount of effort into it. When he is scum he doesn't feel the need to put as much thought into his posts. Like with this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403¤tpage=16#317 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403¤tpage=16#310 He just gives his thoughts on the no-lynch plan but doesn't actually go into any detail like he would if he was town. Its just an easy out to post something without having to do some scumhunting. If you filter his posts from PYPI and from LOTR and this game you'll see what I'm talking about. The difference is very clear between minimal effort and actual interest and work put into winning the game. On November 06 2011 21:13 Radfield wrote: This is bullshit Sandro, and you should know it. It is not remotely suspicious that me and bugs are not dead after a single night kill. Day 3 maybe, Day 4 sure, but not after a single KP. Me and bugs were originally the only team composed of two very active experienced players. That makes us both a target for KP and protection, and that should be obvious. However, there exist two teams just below that threshold: Sandro+Decon, and iGrok + Bum. The fact that iGrok and Bum got hit is not remotely surprising, especially after Bum showed he was playing the game. Bumatlarge had just subbed in and had very few posts. iGrok had 10 one-liners and nothing else. Me+Sandro narrowly avoided a lynch. Protection was always going to be on red21. If mafia was going to hit anyone it was going to be Chezinu. Yet they didn't. On top of this, Radfield completely denies that this is unusual, claiming that bum+iGrok was a decent alternative when its clear that is complete bullshit. Mafia might have had their reasons for not hitting Chezinu, but Radfield denying that they would be a prime target is a massive scumtell. There's not a whole lot else to go on with Radfield as he has been sick, but this should be enough for now. I'm working on WBG at the moment, will post in a bit. On November 07 2011 22:14 GMarshal wrote: Seriously, you guys want team chezinu lynched? Provide a case, because right now, I'm seeing "wbg is active and rad is a good player, they are alive, ergo, scum!" Hopefully that will do the trick for Radfield at least. At least consider that their entire case against us is 'Sandroba made a typo' On November 08 2011 01:15 GreYMisT wrote: And Decon, Maybe I missed some hidden reasoning somewhere, but why must "Team Chezinu die today." you slammed RoL for coming into the thread to say nothing of consequence, but you yourself have been casually pushing for their lynch from the start. Why? Casually pushing for who's lynch? I haven't been pushing for either RoL or Radfield's lynch from the start so I'm confused. I've been somewhat suspicious of Team Nipple but never went anywhere near pushing for their lynch. I only started on Radfield today because him not dying made me suspicious enough to look at his posts in depth. While I've felt that WBG has been scummy has hell throughout the game, my first impressions of Radfield were pro-town. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
wait what... recounting the votes. Edit: I miscounted the votes, it's three for SS at the moment. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
Team Chezinu are scum. When we flip, please look at their posts and come to the same conclusion we have. Their partners are probably Team Liquid, though Team Nipple is a possibility as well. If I am correct, they will push Team Nipple as the easy lynch tomorrow due to their inactivity. My only hope is that Team red21 will be alive at that point with a red check on them. red21 is probably town because of the cop claim s&g is probably town because of supersoft's proposed plan. It is unlikely a mafia would risk something like that. edward is probably town due to their fighting with chezinu Team Nipple: If you guys are town, please please get more active. Chezinu will have an easy time lynching you tomorrow otherwise. | ||
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
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deconduo
Ireland4122 Posts
On November 08 2011 03:52 deconduo wrote: Ah crap, gg gl town. EBWOP: Or not yet. | ||
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