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On November 06 2011 13:04 chaoser wrote:
How was I not being logical again? Viking was pretty scummy. My case was way better than your case on me which is solely based on this conception that I'm some sort of mafia god and if I'm under performing that I'm mafia. And tgat defending myself is a scum tell...What a shit case. Hope everyone can see this
Oh please. Your entire case on prpl and forumite was that they voted a lot of people. That's total bullshit and you know it.
Don't give me "your case was shit" when hyshes is still not around.
Once again you can't read. I never praised your town play. I just said you're not stupid as fuck when you're town, whereas right now you're making no sense at all. I never said defending yourself is a scum tell.
I said easing suspicion by pushing a bandwagon on Team Viking was the perfect way for you to avoid lynch.
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also every time anyone points out something that is scummy, you counter with something completely irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?" You did this with the lynch issue; it's complete WIFOM whether scum would want a lynch or a no-lynch, because it was effectively equivalent yesterday.
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On November 06 2011 13:07 chaoser wrote:
Shitty logic, radfield being very inactive and being alive are all part of it. If I was mafia why would I kill igrok/bum? I would kill you and radfield.
oh look more WIFOM!
mafia might also not choose to shoot us because it would give derp town a really easy reason to push a mislynch on us!
jesus you actually think this reasoning flies?
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On November 06 2011 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
also every time anyone points out something that is scummy, you counter with something completely irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?" You did this with the lynch issue; it's complete WIFOM whether scum would want a lynch or a no-lynch, because it was effectively equivalent yesterday.
??? Everyone agreed that it WASN'T equivalent?
irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?"
How is that irrelevant? I'm trying to prevent what I see as a bad lynch while giving reasons for WHY I think it was a bad lynch.
Still never responded to this point I see.
How was a no lynch and a lynch equivalent? We get info from a lynch, we get almost none from a no lynch.
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On November 06 2011 13:15 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:07 chaoser wrote:
Shitty logic, radfield being very inactive and being alive are all part of it. If I was mafia why would I kill igrok/bum? I would kill you and radfield. oh look more WIFOM! mafia might also not choose to shoot us because it would give derp town a really easy reason to push a mislynch on us! jesus you actually think this reasoning flies?
You think THIS logic flies? Give a derp town easy reason to mislynch you...right...cause obviously there's tons of pressure on you from town to lynch you right?
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On November 06 2011 13:17 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:15 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 06 2011 13:07 chaoser wrote:
Shitty logic, radfield being very inactive and being alive are all part of it. If I was mafia why would I kill igrok/bum? I would kill you and radfield. oh look more WIFOM! mafia might also not choose to shoot us because it would give derp town a really easy reason to push a mislynch on us! jesus you actually think this reasoning flies? You think THIS logic flies? Give a derp town easy reason to mislynch you...right... cause obviously there's tons of pressure on you from town to lynch you right?
So you admit you're not town?
lololol.
You're trying to lead a lynch on my team because Radfield didn't die. That's an "easy reason" for derp townies to bandwagon lynch us. There's no pressure from townies yet, but had I not pointed that out I'm sure people like red would come along be like "LOL SO TRUE GUESS HE'S SCUM LOLOLOLOL"
Radfield and I talked about this exact situation yesterday. My opinion? Anyone who is desperate enough to use such a shitty reason to accuse us is probably scum.
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cause obviously there's tons of pressure on you from town to lynch you right?
How is that admitting I'm not town? I said that you have no pressure from town to lynch you...which is a fact. And yet you post
mafia might also not choose to shoot us because it would give derp town a really easy reason to push a mislynch on us!
Why would that happen at all in a situation where you have NO PRESSURE ON YOU?
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Using shitty logic isn't going to protect you from getting lynched, if anything it's going to GET you lynched
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On November 06 2011 13:27 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +cause obviously there's tons of pressure on you from town to lynch you right? How is that admitting I'm not town? I said that you have no pressure from town to lynch you...which is a fact. And yet you post
No pressure from town=you're not a townie then?
On November 06 2011 13:27 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +mafia might also not choose to shoot us because it would give derp town a really easy reason to push a mislynch on us! Why would that happen at all in a situation where you have NO PRESSURE ON YOU?
What are you going on about? There's four votes to lynch today. We don't need pressure from town on us, we just need stupid townies to bandwagon. Scum can comprise half of the deciding votes on lynch.
This is precisely why I'm saying that it'll just take one dumb townie to get us into a bad situation. You just used one of the dumbest reasons I've ever seen for voting someone (Radfield didn't die, Chezinu has to be scum!) and I feel that I need to shut that down before someone really stupid like Kurumi or red comes along and adds one or two votes to that.
Two scum and two bandwagoning townies=easy mislynch and the day will end with no good information gained.
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On November 06 2011 13:29 chaoser wrote:
Using shitty logic isn't going to protect you from getting lynched, if anything it's going to GET you lynched
You should probably learn this lesson yourself before you try to teach it to others.
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On November 06 2011 13:32 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:27 chaoser wrote:cause obviously there's tons of pressure on you from town to lynch you right? How is that admitting I'm not town? I said that you have no pressure from town to lynch you...which is a fact. And yet you post No pressure from town=you're not a townie then? Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:27 chaoser wrote:mafia might also not choose to shoot us because it would give derp town a really easy reason to push a mislynch on us! Why would that happen at all in a situation where you have NO PRESSURE ON YOU? What are you going on about? There's four votes to lynch today. We don't need pressure from town on us, we just need stupid townies to bandwagon. Scum can comprise half of the deciding votes on lynch. This is precisely why I'm saying that it'll just take one dumb townie to get us into a bad situation. You just used one of the dumbest reasons I've ever seen for voting someone (Radfield didn't die, Chezinu has to be scum!) and I feel that I need to shut that down before someone really stupid like Kurumi or red comes along and adds one or two votes to that. Two scum and two bandwagoning townies=easy mislynch and the day will end with no good information gained.
No pressure from town=fact? One guy voting for you ain't pressure. No one thought you were mafia yesterday at all, you were off the grid in terms of suspicion. So why would town derp along into voting for you again? Cause most of them seem to be pretty trusting of you. Though now your shitty logic for trying to get me lynched is starting to show. There's no reason whatsoever for if I was mafia to NOT kill your team seeing as how you would probably be the most prominent at getting MY team lynched today.
The suspicion on you is mainly from using SHITTY LOGIC and Radfield being inactive. Having the not die part is just icing on top.
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On November 06 2011 13:16 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
also every time anyone points out something that is scummy, you counter with something completely irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?" You did this with the lynch issue; it's complete WIFOM whether scum would want a lynch or a no-lynch, because it was effectively equivalent yesterday. ??? Everyone agreed that it WASN'T equivalent? irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?"How is that irrelevant? I'm trying to prevent what I see as a bad lynch while giving reasons for WHY I think it was a bad lynch.
Still never responded to this point I see.
How was a no lynch and a lynch equivalent? We get info from a lynch, we get almost none from a no lynch.
Oops, I pressed edit on the previous post when I meant to press Quote. My bad
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On November 06 2011 13:37 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:32 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 06 2011 13:27 chaoser wrote:cause obviously there's tons of pressure on you from town to lynch you right? How is that admitting I'm not town? I said that you have no pressure from town to lynch you...which is a fact. And yet you post No pressure from town=you're not a townie then? On November 06 2011 13:27 chaoser wrote:mafia might also not choose to shoot us because it would give derp town a really easy reason to push a mislynch on us! Why would that happen at all in a situation where you have NO PRESSURE ON YOU? What are you going on about? There's four votes to lynch today. We don't need pressure from town on us, we just need stupid townies to bandwagon. Scum can comprise half of the deciding votes on lynch. This is precisely why I'm saying that it'll just take one dumb townie to get us into a bad situation. You just used one of the dumbest reasons I've ever seen for voting someone (Radfield didn't die, Chezinu has to be scum!) and I feel that I need to shut that down before someone really stupid like Kurumi or red comes along and adds one or two votes to that. Two scum and two bandwagoning townies=easy mislynch and the day will end with no good information gained. No pressure from town=fact? One guy voting for you ain't pressure. No one thought you were mafia yesterday at all, you were off the grid in terms of suspicion. So why would town derp along into voting for you again? Cause most of them seem to be pretty trusting of you. Though now your shitty logic for trying to get me lynched is starting to show. There's no reason whatsoever for if I was mafia to NOT kill your team seeing as how you would probably be the most prominent at getting MY team lynched today. The suspicion on you is mainly from using SHITTY LOGIC and Radfield being inactive. Having the not die part is just icing on top.
Any vote puts pressure on someone. That's why we have a thing called pressure voting! And there you go again with more WIFOM. "If I were mafia I would've done this and this!" You're using the fact that we didn't die to simultaneously call us scum AND call yourself town. And you say I am using shitty logic? At any rate, you can keep saying I use shitty logic all you want, merely saying it won't make it come true. If you want examples of shitty logic you should probably look at this:
On November 05 2011 02:58 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +They went after exclusively lurker teams or "easy targets" as I like to call them. To expand on this point, in a small game like this, especially since it's so active, I very much doubt that mafia will be lurking or even inactive. Those are tactics that mafia teams of 6 use for late game survival when it's Day 8 and there's a sea of lurking/inactive players for town to work through.
Nice use of terrible logic to basically exonerate anyone who is lurking/inactive and take pressure off them. So now we're less likely to suspect lurking players like hyshes, sandro, kurumi, or RoL.
On November 05 2011 14:53 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 14:21 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 05 2011 14:14 chaoser wrote:On Nov 3 2011 19:01 hyshes wrote:
Show nested quote +
I don't see how referring to another game says something? \ I actually want to clarify what he meant with this statement cause I was confused by it as well. Apparently he plays mafia at his university and they don't use meta...crazy, I know. This still doesn't make sense, because iGrok's post wasn't concerned with sandro's meta. It was just posting sandro's filter, IIRC. He never linked another game in the first place. Also I know you've been following the newbie game and hyshes play in this game pretty much matches up with his play in that game. And that is, he's playing in a way that's totally foreign to us, specifically because he's use to playing a different form of the mafia game where the meta is so different as to be alien.
"logic"=hyshes doesn't play like us so we shouldn't suspect him for doing scummy things like posting in the newbie game but being completely absent here. Or, hell, just suspecting hyshes at all.
On November 06 2011 12:35 chaoser wrote:
Also, if I was mafia, why would I try to make sure there wasn't a no lunch, offering my team and Viking as valid lynches.
"logic"=I'm not mafia because I pushed a lynch target
So why aren't you suspicious of sandroba and kurumi for advocating a no-lynch? Double standard much?
On November 06 2011 12:51 chaoser wrote:
If I was mafia I could have sat back and waited for a no lynch
and again
On November 06 2011 12:52 chaoser wrote:
Lol, go read any of my old games. I get pissed easily
"logic"=I get pissed as town therefore I'm town this game.
Guess what, you got really pissed at me, Mig, and Radfield last game too! And you were....scum! Radfield and I have agreed that your play this game is very much like how you played in PYP:I, and we were two of the most influential players in catching you in that game.
On November 06 2011 12:59 chaoser wrote:
##Vote: team chenizu
Shitty logic? Radfield being not active? Still alive past day one?
"logic"=Radfield is not active and that team is alive past day one=scum!
Not to mention the constant use of the term "shitty logic" with no actual clarification or evidence that suggests why said term is being used. You've used it over and over this game without explaining what is not making sense.
On November 06 2011 13:04 chaoser wrote:
How was I not being logical again? Viking was pretty scummy. My case was way better than your case on me which is solely based on this conception that I'm some sort of mafia god and if I'm under performing that I'm mafia. And tgat defending myself is a scum tell...What a shit case. Hope everyone can see this
"logic"=my case was better than your case, so therefore I'm town and you're scum (rofl)
When, in reality, your entire case on prpl/forumite was based on you repeating that prpl and forumite were using "shitty logic" and that they moved their vote around several times.
On November 06 2011 13:07 chaoser wrote:
If I was mafia why would I kill igrok/bum? I would kill you and radfield.
"logic"=I'm not scum because you're not dead
On November 06 2011 13:16 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
also every time anyone points out something that is scummy, you counter with something completely irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?" You did this with the lynch issue; it's complete WIFOM whether scum would want a lynch or a no-lynch, because it was effectively equivalent yesterday. ??? Everyone agreed that it WASN'T equivalent? irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?"How is that irrelevant? I'm trying to prevent what I see as a bad lynch while giving reasons for WHY I think it was a bad lynch. Still never responded to this point I see. How was a no lynch and a lynch equivalent? We get info from a lynch, we get almost none from a no lynch.
You fucking edited this post? Are you fucking kidding me?
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And finally, you're saying
1) I'm mafia
2) I shot Bum/iGrok, one of the few people who didn't think I was mafia cause, fuck it, I like a challenge. And one of the few people that were suspicious of you and radfield.
You seem to want to fight about saying something I didn't say, so commence getting over that. Team Edward won't be our lynch tomorrow, but I will read chaoser's posts again. The only thing radfield and you seem to be harping on about is lack of content, which is usually not a strong case.
Forumite and prphlz was a poor lynch choice, I think there were better options available. The second player I was suspicious of behind red was WBG, mainly from this post.
I felt like that was a backwards conclusion to make. I know bugs is a universally aggressive player, so seeing him draw out this line, from what I can tell, a newer player, seems like play focused in the wrong direction.
And then this drops of the map. Incredibly odd. I concluded that radfield convinced him it was a bad idea to pursue this, but radfield's posts have not impressed me. I'm mostly suggesting that people take the "Interactions" philosophy to heart when they analyze. There is no direction to point blues in with the known info, so please don't try.
3) And didn't shoot you so that I, the one that was the second most voted player would be able to get enough townies to "Derp along with me" to lynch you
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On November 06 2011 13:43 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 13:16 chaoser wrote:On November 06 2011 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
also every time anyone points out something that is scummy, you counter with something completely irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?" You did this with the lynch issue; it's complete WIFOM whether scum would want a lynch or a no-lynch, because it was effectively equivalent yesterday. ??? Everyone agreed that it WASN'T equivalent? irrelevant and go "would scum do this? would scum do that?"How is that irrelevant? I'm trying to prevent what I see as a bad lynch while giving reasons for WHY I think it was a bad lynch. Still never responded to this point I see. How was a no lynch and a lynch equivalent? We get info from a lynch, we get almost none from a no lynch. Oops, I pressed edit on the previous post when I meant to press Quote. My bad
It was equivalent for mafia.
Mislynch, or deny town information? Unless you are scum, how the hell are you in any position to tell which one is more beneficial? It's entirely circumstantial.
Not to mention, if you really think a no-lynch favored scum then it's a wonder you're not pressuring sandro and kurumi, since they were the biggest advocates of a no-lynch.
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You fucking edited this post? Are you fucking kidding me?
Oops, I pressed edit on the previous post when I meant to press Quote. My bad
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On November 06 2011 13:59 chaoser wrote:And finally, you're saying 1) I'm mafia 2) I shot Bum/iGrok, one of the few people who didn't think I was mafia cause, fuck it, I like a challenge. And one of the few people that were suspicious of you and radfield. Show nested quote +You seem to want to fight about saying something I didn't say, so commence getting over that. Team Edward won't be our lynch tomorrow, but I will read chaoser's posts again. The only thing radfield and you seem to be harping on about is lack of content, which is usually not a strong case. Show nested quote +Forumite and prphlz was a poor lynch choice, I think there were better options available. The second player I was suspicious of behind red was WBG, mainly from this post.
I felt like that was a backwards conclusion to make. I know bugs is a universally aggressive player, so seeing him draw out this line, from what I can tell, a newer player, seems like play focused in the wrong direction.
And then this drops of the map. Incredibly odd. I concluded that radfield convinced him it was a bad idea to pursue this, but radfield's posts have not impressed me. I'm mostly suggesting that people take the "Interactions" philosophy to heart when they analyze. There is no direction to point blues in with the known info, so please don't try. 3) And didn't shoot you so that I, the one that was the second most voted player would be able to get enough townies to "Derp along with me" to lynch you
Cause once again, fuck it, I don't want a team that would possibly help me push for your lynch around cause I like a challenge
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On November 06 2011 13:59 chaoser wrote:And finally, you're saying 1) I'm mafia 2) I shot Bum/iGrok, one of the few people who didn't think I was mafia cause, fuck it, I like a challenge. And one of the few people that were suspicious of you and radfield. Show nested quote +You seem to want to fight about saying something I didn't say, so commence getting over that. Team Edward won't be our lynch tomorrow, but I will read chaoser's posts again. The only thing radfield and you seem to be harping on about is lack of content, which is usually not a strong case. Show nested quote +Forumite and prphlz was a poor lynch choice, I think there were better options available. The second player I was suspicious of behind red was WBG, mainly from this post.
I felt like that was a backwards conclusion to make. I know bugs is a universally aggressive player, so seeing him draw out this line, from what I can tell, a newer player, seems like play focused in the wrong direction.
And then this drops of the map. Incredibly odd. I concluded that radfield convinced him it was a bad idea to pursue this, but radfield's posts have not impressed me. I'm mostly suggesting that people take the "Interactions" philosophy to heart when they analyze. There is no direction to point blues in with the known info, so please don't try. 3) And didn't shoot you so that I, the one that was the second most voted player would be able to get enough townies to "Derp along with me" to lynch you
I'm not speculating on the iGrok kill because no one knows why iGrok would be shot. You might, though! You certainly seem to want to talk about the night kills, which makes you even more suspicious.
Again, more WIFOM and shitty logic. How can you conclude this from the night kills when you could easily conclude the opposite?
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I'm not speculating on the iGrok kill because no one knows why iGrok would be shot. You might, though! You certainly seem to want to talk about the night kills, which makes you even more suspicious.
Again, more WIFOM and shitty logic. How can you conclude this from the night kills when you could easily conclude the opposite?
lol...I see you're going to take this one to the end I see. Good =]. All the more easy to get you lynched. So you're saying that if I was mafia the most logical kill for me to make was iGrok/Bum? Someone who didn't want me lynched today and someone who suspected you?
Or would it make more sense for you to be mafia and to kill him cause he was against lynching the person you have been going after the most and also cause he was suspicious of you?
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this back and forth is giving me scumvibes from wbg.
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