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On September 28 2011 13:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:19 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. Again, you are generalizing the entire gypsies people.
And PLEASE dont tell me that because im from NA I can't understand the situation.
Read up on the persecution of gypsies in Europe.
No one will give them a job or any opportunities. Because of this they are forced to live the way they are.
Look at the attitude of ppl in this thread. Do you think any of them will hire a gypsie? If 95% of a group does something, and 5% doesn't, would you really call it generalizing? On top of that, I have almost always used qualifiers like "overwhelming percentage" etc. Despite that, you still decide to make a smart alec remark. As to hiring, see my above paragraph in reply to you. Especially during Communist times, the welfare for them has been absolutely through the roof. Last I checked, gypsies were not being persecuted, so I don't know where you got that horse shit from. It's not that you're from NA that you don't understand the situation. It's that you just don't. The fact that you don't even know how much affirmative action as far as jobs, housing, education, etc. that has been offered to them shows you really don't know what is going on. The fact that you think you know better than the people who live right in those countries is in particular quite arrogant and ignorant. No one wants to work if they are being spit at. If you think that people they work with treat them with respect you are mistaken. If someone gave you a job but spat on you and insulted you, would u want to work there? On September 28 2011 13:11 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:58 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. What does being an American have to do with anything? Seriously... Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal? OH WAIT... I forgot you would rather kill them all. AM I RIGHT? 1. Because jobs are not given, they are earned ? Why don't you give jobs to all your homeless if its that simple ? 2. Because the government cannot FORCE private enterprises to hire people who cannot read or write and have 1~3 years of school. What planet are you living on ? 3. Because they are uneducated across generations, from father to son to grandson they pull themselves out of school and live in tents. But yeah, keep comparing them to "South Central L.A."; or did you just wanna let anyone know how rugged your are for living in the bad part of town ? So your telling me you need a very high degree for fast food? You have to start somewhere. I have no doubt in my mind they are not working in good environments. Refer to my post above. On September 28 2011 13:13 Josealtron wrote:
This thread is quite possibly the most disgusting thread I've ever read on Teamliquid. I feel like I'm looking at a pre-1960ish America, except instead of African Americans, it's gypsies. Absolutely sickening. I can't even believe what I'm reading. I thought Europe was better than this. My sentiments exactly. Europeans disgust me. Show nested quote +No one wants to work if they are being spit at.
If you think that people they work with treat them with respect you are mistaken. If someone gave you a job but spat on you and insulted you, would u want to work there? Except they never took the job, and were never spit on. Why do you keep spouting bs? I know you're pulling shit out of your ass, but humor me, and tell me where some huge number of gypsies took up jobs and lived in society and were spit on and stuff and went back to thievery and crime. I really love the fairy tales you're telling  . The reality is they don't want to be a part of society. Plain and simple. That is their conviction regardless of anything. They're too cool for school, so to speak. The fact of the matter is they're a terrible bane on society despite not being a part of it, and yet they still don't get spit on. And you expect them to get spit on if they were good, law-abiding people? Well, this explains it. You're racist. You could have said that earlier so we could figure out why you're spewing so much completely unreasonable, false bs. I'm just thankful you're not American because we get enough flak for such ignorance and arrogance. Btw, congrats on trash-talking much of the forum population, and many of the team members of Team Liquid.
PLEASE... read what the Europeans have been writing about Gypsies, then tell me If you honestly think they would be treated fairly in any workplace.
I am a racist because I am disgusted by what the Europeans in this thread have been saying? If thats the case then im fine with being a racist.
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On September 28 2011 13:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:29 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 13:26 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them. Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject. One point cleared. As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country. A second point cleared. You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable. A third point is cleared. So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is? Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that. Fully paid scholarships for 4 or more years in all the top universities in Romania are RESERVED for gipsies (as in only gipsies can apply and the spots dont go to romanians if they are not occupied). There are about 10 spots for each branch of each university and on average 1 or 2 out of 10 will be applied for. But this is only 1 example. I would really like to know if you treat your minorities so well in the USA. ^_^; The fact that only 1 or 2 out of the 10 are applied for should show u just how big the problem is. Also, the fact that you dont seem to understand this also reinforces the fact that your a racist. It is indeed a problem when a group of people are so full of themselves that they're given endless opportunity and are defiantly opposed to being a part of society because they're too special for it. Ironically, they have no problem consistently taking and stealing from it.
You dont seem to get it do you...Please look at how communities who were discriminated their entire life react when they are suddenly given opportunities. They are suspicious and un trusting.
Also the fact that they have trouble going through high school because of all the discrimination they face, I cant imagine many of them have even high enough aspirations to hope to get to university.
Yet you dont seem to get it do u.
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On September 28 2011 13:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:29 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 13:26 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them. Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject. One point cleared. As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country. A second point cleared. You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable. A third point is cleared. So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is? Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that. Fully paid scholarships for 4 or more years in all the top universities in Romania are RESERVED for gipsies (as in only gipsies can apply and the spots dont go to romanians if they are not occupied). There are about 10 spots for each branch of each university and on average 1 or 2 out of 10 will be applied for. But this is only 1 example. I would really like to know if you treat your minorities so well in the USA. ^_^; The fact that only 1 or 2 out of the 10 are applied for should show u just how big the problem is. Also, the fact that you dont seem to understand this also reinforces the fact that your a racist. It is indeed a problem when a group of people are so full of themselves that they're given endless opportunity and are defiantly opposed to being a part of society because they're too special for it. Ironically, they have no problem consistently taking and stealing from it. Show nested quote +Helping them become educated starts at the bottom though, if you don't help them get and stay in school when they are young then you can't expect them to mystically be able to go to universities. As has been stated many times in this thread, lower education is free. It's just the gypsies don't want to go to school, or go for a very limited period. I see you do not reply to my last reply to you. Truth hurts, huh?
You want the truth, if you take all my posts in this thread, then all of yours and show them to the average person the person they would say is racist, or at least the most racist is you. I would bet money on it.
It isn't about lower education being free, it's about making sure they don't get discriminated against when they decide to go down this avenue and that will have a trickle down effect. You're going on and on and on AND ON about their opportunities and yet with all the discrimination in this thread it's no wonder they can't integrate themselves into the population.
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On September 28 2011 13:11 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:58 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. What does being an American have to do with anything? Seriously... Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal? OH WAIT... I forgot you would rather kill them all. AM I RIGHT? 1. Because jobs are not given, they are earned ? Why don't you give jobs to all your homeless if its that simple ? 2. Because the government cannot FORCE private enterprises to hire people who cannot read or write and have 1~3 years of school. What planet are you living on ? 3. Because they are uneducated across generations, from father to son to grandson they pull themselves out of school and live in tents.
Guys, you are going a bit too harsh on that guy.
1. You have no idea how big the unemployment rate in Bulgaria and Romania is. People with bachelor's and masters' degrees have to work at fast food. I have finished high school and have yet to go to uni and I couldn't find a job for myself.
2. People are talking as if the goverment here can force something as big as making cooperations hire those people, but there are some problems with that. Firstly, there are enough Bulgarians with qualifications needed to work there. Secondly, Bulgaria is a poor country. There is a running joke that the only European country poorer than Bulgaria is Albania. The counrty lives by the investments in the privite business and most of the politicians are either afraid to do anything about it and/or don't care because they get what they want - power and money.
3. This is the case with most of the gypsys. You are actually better off an arphan, at least you will end up in an orphanage and they will look after you all the way up to High School when you turn 18. For the others, this is not the case. Many parents break their kids lims and send them to beg for money. And there is no way around it. You can even "borrow" a baby for money from another family to help you make money, because mothers with babies make more.
Aside from those, my mother worked in a organisation that helps homeless and poor. She said that most of the people offered minimum wage carrying brick from point A to point B refuse, because the minimum wage is almost equal to the help you get from the gevernmen for being unemployed and having a lot of kids.
So, guys, don't be too quick to judge him (and us). I know how it looks like from outside, and I know he didn't explain everything for the foreigners, but people who pretend to be above the law and parasite on society and/or live off of illigel businesses be they gypsys or not are common everywhere. It is just that here it is so obvious, they dont pay for water and electricity and still have those.
And when one of those minorities purposely runs over somebody, after years of terror in the village, it was the logical outcome
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On September 28 2011 13:32 RudrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:19 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. Again, you are generalizing the entire gypsies people.
And PLEASE dont tell me that because im from NA I can't understand the situation.
Read up on the persecution of gypsies in Europe.
No one will give them a job or any opportunities. Because of this they are forced to live the way they are.
Look at the attitude of ppl in this thread. Do you think any of them will hire a gypsie? If 95% of a group does something, and 5% doesn't, would you really call it generalizing? On top of that, I have almost always used qualifiers like "overwhelming percentage" etc. Despite that, you still decide to make a smart alec remark. As to hiring, see my above paragraph in reply to you. Especially during Communist times, the welfare for them has been absolutely through the roof. Last I checked, gypsies were not being persecuted, so I don't know where you got that horse shit from. It's not that you're from NA that you don't understand the situation. It's that you just don't. The fact that you don't even know how much affirmative action as far as jobs, housing, education, etc. that has been offered to them shows you really don't know what is going on. The fact that you think you know better than the people who live right in those countries is in particular quite arrogant and ignorant. No one wants to work if they are being spit at. If you think that people they work with treat them with respect you are mistaken. If someone gave you a job but spat on you and insulted you, would u want to work there? On September 28 2011 13:11 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:58 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. What does being an American have to do with anything? Seriously... Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal? OH WAIT... I forgot you would rather kill them all. AM I RIGHT? 1. Because jobs are not given, they are earned ? Why don't you give jobs to all your homeless if its that simple ? 2. Because the government cannot FORCE private enterprises to hire people who cannot read or write and have 1~3 years of school. What planet are you living on ? 3. Because they are uneducated across generations, from father to son to grandson they pull themselves out of school and live in tents. But yeah, keep comparing them to "South Central L.A."; or did you just wanna let anyone know how rugged your are for living in the bad part of town ? So your telling me you need a very high degree for fast food? You have to start somewhere. I have no doubt in my mind they are not working in good environments. Refer to my post above. On September 28 2011 13:13 Josealtron wrote:
This thread is quite possibly the most disgusting thread I've ever read on Teamliquid. I feel like I'm looking at a pre-1960ish America, except instead of African Americans, it's gypsies. Absolutely sickening. I can't even believe what I'm reading. I thought Europe was better than this. My sentiments exactly. Europeans disgust me. No one wants to work if they are being spit at.
If you think that people they work with treat them with respect you are mistaken. If someone gave you a job but spat on you and insulted you, would u want to work there? Except they never took the job, and were never spit on. Why do you keep spouting bs? I know you're pulling shit out of your ass, but humor me, and tell me where some huge number of gypsies took up jobs and lived in society and were spit on and stuff and went back to thievery and crime. I really love the fairy tales you're telling . The reality is they don't want to be a part of society. Plain and simple. That is their conviction regardless of anything. They're too cool for school, so to speak. The fact of the matter is they're a terrible bane on society despite not being a part of it, and yet they still don't get spit on. And you expect them to get spit on if they were good, law-abiding people? My sentiments exactly. Europeans disgust me. Well, this explains it. You're racist. You could have said that earlier so we could figure out why you're spewing so much completely unreasonable, false bs. I'm just thankful you're not American because we get enough flak for such ignorance and arrogance. Btw, congrats on trash-talking much of the forum population, and many of the team members of Team Liquid. PLEASE... read what the Europeans have been writing about Gypsies, then tell me If you honestly think they would be treated fairly in any workplace. I am a racist because I am disgusted by what the Europeans in this thread have been saying? If thats the case then im fine with being a racist.
We've already gone over how you've been completely pulling things out of your ass and absolutely know nothing of the matter, so there's no point of going over that again.
The people in this thread have been stating what happens, plain and simple. They give and offer to the gypsies, and they don't want it; instead they would prefer taking welfare from the government and stealing and murdering. And you say the people in this thread are mean for basically being news reporters of what goes on? The only bad comment I saw was by Cloud.
Yes, you said Europeans disgust you, and now you admit you are a racist, confirming that you made a racist post. Well, seeing the mod note in white at the top of the thread, I guess that means a brief ban for you. Good bye.
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On September 28 2011 13:16 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On September 28 2011 12:31 discodancer wrote:
The idea that someone from Romania claims Europe to be 'his continent' is just amusing to me. You weren't even in the EU few years ago and honestly should not be. So yeah, I'll stop lecturing you about YOUR continent maybe because delusions of grandeur are nothing to mess with. Lol. Uhm, what is this shit? lol, he seems to be confusing geography with political groups. Bulgaria is part of Europe whether in the EU or not.
It's just funny that some guy basically living on the outskirts of Europe speaks of Europe like it is something that he has an exclusive right to argue about. I was ironic about 'this is my continent' simply because that reminds me of Tabaqui who feeds on scraps from Shere Khan yet makes the most commotion.
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On September 28 2011 13:35 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:29 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 13:26 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them. Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject. One point cleared. As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country. A second point cleared. You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable. A third point is cleared. So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is? Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that. Fully paid scholarships for 4 or more years in all the top universities in Romania are RESERVED for gipsies (as in only gipsies can apply and the spots dont go to romanians if they are not occupied). There are about 10 spots for each branch of each university and on average 1 or 2 out of 10 will be applied for. But this is only 1 example. I would really like to know if you treat your minorities so well in the USA. ^_^; The fact that only 1 or 2 out of the 10 are applied for should show u just how big the problem is. Also, the fact that you dont seem to understand this also reinforces the fact that your a racist. It is indeed a problem when a group of people are so full of themselves that they're given endless opportunity and are defiantly opposed to being a part of society because they're too special for it. Ironically, they have no problem consistently taking and stealing from it. Helping them become educated starts at the bottom though, if you don't help them get and stay in school when they are young then you can't expect them to mystically be able to go to universities. As has been stated many times in this thread, lower education is free. It's just the gypsies don't want to go to school, or go for a very limited period. I see you do not reply to my last reply to you. Truth hurts, huh? You want the truth, if you take all my posts in this thread, then all of yours and show them to the average person the person they would say is racist, or at least the most racist is you. I would bet money on it. It isn't about lower education being free, it's about making sure they don't get discriminated against when they decide to go down this avenue and that will have a trickle down effect. You going on and on and on AND ON about their opportunities and yet with all the discrimination in this thread it's no wonder they can't integrate themselves into the population.
The fact of the matter is that you know nothing of the situation nor anything about Romania and Bulgaria, making up complete horse shit and completely irrational analogies that I (along with a few others) already tore through, and then claiming that you know more than the people who live there everyday, and then you claim that they are evil racists and that's all there is to it. You realize how incredibly absurd that is? If I wanted comedy, I'd go watch a comedy movie if I wanted a big laugh, but this is nearly as good.
If reporting simple facts is racist as you claim, then I guess our news is racist for saying the US's war in Iraq has killed over a million people and has caused uncountable social, political, infrastructural, etc. damage. That's not sound logic, I'm afraid.
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On September 28 2011 13:42 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:35 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 13:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:29 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 13:26 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them. Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject. One point cleared. As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country. A second point cleared. You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable. A third point is cleared. So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is? Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that. Fully paid scholarships for 4 or more years in all the top universities in Romania are RESERVED for gipsies (as in only gipsies can apply and the spots dont go to romanians if they are not occupied). There are about 10 spots for each branch of each university and on average 1 or 2 out of 10 will be applied for. But this is only 1 example. I would really like to know if you treat your minorities so well in the USA. ^_^; The fact that only 1 or 2 out of the 10 are applied for should show u just how big the problem is. Also, the fact that you dont seem to understand this also reinforces the fact that your a racist. It is indeed a problem when a group of people are so full of themselves that they're given endless opportunity and are defiantly opposed to being a part of society because they're too special for it. Ironically, they have no problem consistently taking and stealing from it. Helping them become educated starts at the bottom though, if you don't help them get and stay in school when they are young then you can't expect them to mystically be able to go to universities. As has been stated many times in this thread, lower education is free. It's just the gypsies don't want to go to school, or go for a very limited period. I see you do not reply to my last reply to you. Truth hurts, huh? You want the truth, if you take all my posts in this thread, then all of yours and show them to the average person the person they would say is racist, or at least the most racist is you. I would bet money on it. It isn't about lower education being free, it's about making sure they don't get discriminated against when they decide to go down this avenue and that will have a trickle down effect. You going on and on and on AND ON about their opportunities and yet with all the discrimination in this thread it's no wonder they can't integrate themselves into the population. The fact of the matter is that you know nothing of the situation nor anything about Romania and Bulgaria, making up complete horse shit and completely irrational analogies that I (along with a few others) already tore through, and then claiming that you know more than the people who live there everyday, and then you claim that they are evil racists and that's all there is to it. You realize how incredibly absurd that is? If I wanted comedy, I'd go watch a comedy movie if I wanted a big laugh, but this is nearly as good. If reporting simple facts is racist as you claim, then I guess our news is racist for saying the US's war in Iraq has killed over a million people and has caused uncountable social, political, infrastructural, etc. damage. That's not sound logic, I'm afraid.
You want to know what was incredibly absurd? Your post before this one.
But then you decided to talk about the US's war in Iraq. I definitely see how that's relevant. I'm done responding to you and unlike December I have the willpower to follow through.
I wish you the best of luck and hope you see the end of the gypsies as you so obviously desire.
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On September 28 2011 13:35 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:29 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 13:26 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them. Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject. One point cleared. As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country. A second point cleared. You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable. A third point is cleared. So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is? Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that. Fully paid scholarships for 4 or more years in all the top universities in Romania are RESERVED for gipsies (as in only gipsies can apply and the spots dont go to romanians if they are not occupied). There are about 10 spots for each branch of each university and on average 1 or 2 out of 10 will be applied for. But this is only 1 example. I would really like to know if you treat your minorities so well in the USA. ^_^; The fact that only 1 or 2 out of the 10 are applied for should show u just how big the problem is. Also, the fact that you dont seem to understand this also reinforces the fact that your a racist. It is indeed a problem when a group of people are so full of themselves that they're given endless opportunity and are defiantly opposed to being a part of society because they're too special for it. Ironically, they have no problem consistently taking and stealing from it. Helping them become educated starts at the bottom though, if you don't help them get and stay in school when they are young then you can't expect them to mystically be able to go to universities. As has been stated many times in this thread, lower education is free. It's just the gypsies don't want to go to school, or go for a very limited period. I see you do not reply to my last reply to you. Truth hurts, huh? You want the truth, if you take all my posts in this thread, then all of yours and show them to the average person the person they would say is racist, or at least the most racist is you. I would bet money on it. It isn't about lower education being free, it's about making sure they don't get discriminated against when they decide to go down this avenue and that will have a trickle down effect. You going on and on and on AND ON about their opportunities and yet with all the discrimination in this thread it's no wonder they can't integrate themselves into the population.
THANK YOU! This is what people seem to be missing.
They go to School and they are bullied.
They get a job and they are bullied.
THEY HAVE NO ESCAPE. Just look at what you ppl have been saying about gypsies. If I said ANYTHING like that about Blacks//Whites/Asians/Browns I would be given hell..
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On September 28 2011 13:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:29 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 13:26 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them. Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject. One point cleared. As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country. A second point cleared. You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable. A third point is cleared. So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is? Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that. Fully paid scholarships for 4 or more years in all the top universities in Romania are RESERVED for gipsies (as in only gipsies can apply and the spots dont go to romanians if they are not occupied). There are about 10 spots for each branch of each university and on average 1 or 2 out of 10 will be applied for. But this is only 1 example. I would really like to know if you treat your minorities so well in the USA. ^_^; The fact that only 1 or 2 out of the 10 are applied for should show u just how big the problem is. Also, the fact that you dont seem to understand this also reinforces the fact that your a racist. It is indeed a problem when a group of people are so full of themselves that they're given endless opportunity and are defiantly opposed to being a part of society because they're too special for it. Ironically, they have no problem consistently taking and stealing from it. Show nested quote +Helping them become educated starts at the bottom though, if you don't help them get and stay in school when they are young then you can't expect them to mystically be able to go to universities. As has been stated many times in this thread, lower education is free. It's just the gypsies don't want to go to school, or go for a very limited period. I see you do not reply to my last reply to you. Truth hurts, huh?
Why the fuck would you want to be part of a society that spits on you? Why the fuck would you want to send your children to a school where everyone, including teachers, will treat the child like shit?
If the parent knows that everyone is going to treat your child like shit because he/she's a gypsy, the only thing the parent can do is teach a child how to survive in that world. No one will want to hire them. No one will want to give them opportunities. Stop with the "we tried to integrate them" bullshit-the hatred makes it clear that there's no desire to integrate them.
This is what the vast majority of the hateful posters don't understand. When everyone hates you for who you are, why the hell would you want to be near them? Why would you care about stealing from them, when they treat you as subhuman anyway? There's been comments referring to them as rats or similar.
And I know somebody is going to say "You're from the US, you don't understand, stfu". Attack the fucking argument, not the poster-that's something I've been seeing a lot in this thread by people too blinded to actually think rationally.
OF COURSE it's gonna look like the majority of gypsies are terrible when all you ever hear about them is shit like this. That doesn't make it true, and it doesn't come close to justifying the things some have said.
And what happened to "racist comments will result in a ban?" This shit shouldn't be allowed on this site.
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On September 28 2011 13:48 Josealtron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:29 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 13:26 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them. Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject. One point cleared. As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country. A second point cleared. You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable. A third point is cleared. So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is? Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that. Fully paid scholarships for 4 or more years in all the top universities in Romania are RESERVED for gipsies (as in only gipsies can apply and the spots dont go to romanians if they are not occupied). There are about 10 spots for each branch of each university and on average 1 or 2 out of 10 will be applied for. But this is only 1 example. I would really like to know if you treat your minorities so well in the USA. ^_^; The fact that only 1 or 2 out of the 10 are applied for should show u just how big the problem is. Also, the fact that you dont seem to understand this also reinforces the fact that your a racist. It is indeed a problem when a group of people are so full of themselves that they're given endless opportunity and are defiantly opposed to being a part of society because they're too special for it. Ironically, they have no problem consistently taking and stealing from it. Helping them become educated starts at the bottom though, if you don't help them get and stay in school when they are young then you can't expect them to mystically be able to go to universities. As has been stated many times in this thread, lower education is free. It's just the gypsies don't want to go to school, or go for a very limited period. I see you do not reply to my last reply to you. Truth hurts, huh? Why the fuck would you want to be part of a society that spits on you? Why the fuck would you want to send your children to a school where everyone, including teachers, will treat the child like shit? If the parent knows that everyone is going to treat your child like shit because he/she's a gypsy, the only thing the parent can do is teach a child how to survive in that world. No one will want to hire them. No one will want to give them opportunities. Stop with the "we tried to integrate them" bullshit-the hatred makes it clear that there's no desire to integrate them. This is what the vast majority of the hateful posters don't understand. When everyone hates you for who you are, why the hell would you want to be near them? Why would you care about stealing from them, when they treat you as subhuman anyway? There's been comments referring to them as rats or similar. And I know somebody is going to say "You're from the US, you don't understand, stfu". Attack the fucking argument, not the poster-that's something I've been seeing a lot in this thread by people too blinded to actually think rationally. OF COURSE it's gonna look like the majority of gypsies are terrible when all you ever hear about them is shit like this. That doesn't make it true, and it doesn't come close to justifying the things some have said. And what happened to "racist comments will result in a ban?" This shit shouldn't be allowed on this site.
I agree.
TL Mods should be banning a few ppl. I'd be happy to name names.
User was warned for this post
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On September 28 2011 13:48 Josealtron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:29 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 13:26 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them. Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject. One point cleared. As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country. A second point cleared. You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable. A third point is cleared. So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is? Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that. Fully paid scholarships for 4 or more years in all the top universities in Romania are RESERVED for gipsies (as in only gipsies can apply and the spots dont go to romanians if they are not occupied). There are about 10 spots for each branch of each university and on average 1 or 2 out of 10 will be applied for. But this is only 1 example. I would really like to know if you treat your minorities so well in the USA. ^_^; The fact that only 1 or 2 out of the 10 are applied for should show u just how big the problem is. Also, the fact that you dont seem to understand this also reinforces the fact that your a racist. It is indeed a problem when a group of people are so full of themselves that they're given endless opportunity and are defiantly opposed to being a part of society because they're too special for it. Ironically, they have no problem consistently taking and stealing from it. Helping them become educated starts at the bottom though, if you don't help them get and stay in school when they are young then you can't expect them to mystically be able to go to universities. As has been stated many times in this thread, lower education is free. It's just the gypsies don't want to go to school, or go for a very limited period. I see you do not reply to my last reply to you. Truth hurts, huh? Why the fuck would you want to be part of a society that spits on you? Why the fuck would you want to send your children to a school where everyone, including teachers, will treat the child like shit? If the parent knows that everyone is going to treat your child like shit because he/she's a gypsy, the only thing the parent can do is teach a child how to survive in that world. No one will want to hire them. No one will want to give them opportunities. Stop with the "we tried to integrate them" bullshit-the hatred makes it clear that there's no desire to integrate them. This is what the vast majority of the hateful posters don't understand. When everyone hates you for who you are, why the hell would you want to be near them? Why would you care about stealing from them, when they treat you as subhuman anyway? There's been comments referring to them as rats or similar. And I know somebody is going to say "You're from the US, you don't understand, stfu". Attack the fucking argument, not the poster-that's something I've been seeing a lot in this thread by people too blinded to actually think rationally. OF COURSE it's gonna look like the majority of gypsies are terrible when all you ever hear about them is shit like this. That doesn't make it true, and it doesn't come close to justifying the things some have said. And what happened to "racist comments will result in a ban?" This shit shouldn't be allowed on this site.
But he has sound logic bro! 95% of gypsies want to be uneducated thieves and murderers! Look at all the studies he linked! Us here in the Western world can't possibly comprehend such things. We best just listen to our country music and watch Team America.
On a more serious note I agree with you wholeheartedly and am glad there is always a rational person around the corner on TL.
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This thread has a huge problem with semantics. When most people talk about Gypsies they don't talk about the ethnic group but rather the culture that goes along with it.
On September 28 2011 13:48 Josealtron wrote:
Stop with the "we tried to integrate them" bullshit-the hatred makes it clear that there's no desire to integrate them.
Well I agree with you that there is a certain resistance to integration among the population but you also have to see that in addition to that their culture is actively resisting integration as well. Some regents in Europe grew so frustrated with that, that they even took away their children and forbid marriage among themselves just to stop the endless cycle that lead to there current position (in the 18th century).
Just to be clear: those were the wrong measurements and the failure of integration lies on both sides.
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On September 28 2011 13:50 RudrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:48 Josealtron wrote:On September 28 2011 13:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:29 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 13:26 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them. Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject. One point cleared. As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country. A second point cleared. You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable. A third point is cleared. So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is? Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that. Fully paid scholarships for 4 or more years in all the top universities in Romania are RESERVED for gipsies (as in only gipsies can apply and the spots dont go to romanians if they are not occupied). There are about 10 spots for each branch of each university and on average 1 or 2 out of 10 will be applied for. But this is only 1 example. I would really like to know if you treat your minorities so well in the USA. ^_^; The fact that only 1 or 2 out of the 10 are applied for should show u just how big the problem is. Also, the fact that you dont seem to understand this also reinforces the fact that your a racist. It is indeed a problem when a group of people are so full of themselves that they're given endless opportunity and are defiantly opposed to being a part of society because they're too special for it. Ironically, they have no problem consistently taking and stealing from it. Helping them become educated starts at the bottom though, if you don't help them get and stay in school when they are young then you can't expect them to mystically be able to go to universities. As has been stated many times in this thread, lower education is free. It's just the gypsies don't want to go to school, or go for a very limited period. I see you do not reply to my last reply to you. Truth hurts, huh? Why the fuck would you want to be part of a society that spits on you? Why the fuck would you want to send your children to a school where everyone, including teachers, will treat the child like shit? If the parent knows that everyone is going to treat your child like shit because he/she's a gypsy, the only thing the parent can do is teach a child how to survive in that world. No one will want to hire them. No one will want to give them opportunities. Stop with the "we tried to integrate them" bullshit-the hatred makes it clear that there's no desire to integrate them. This is what the vast majority of the hateful posters don't understand. When everyone hates you for who you are, why the hell would you want to be near them? Why would you care about stealing from them, when they treat you as subhuman anyway? There's been comments referring to them as rats or similar. And I know somebody is going to say "You're from the US, you don't understand, stfu". Attack the fucking argument, not the poster-that's something I've been seeing a lot in this thread by people too blinded to actually think rationally. OF COURSE it's gonna look like the majority of gypsies are terrible when all you ever hear about them is shit like this. That doesn't make it true, and it doesn't come close to justifying the things some have said. And what happened to "racist comments will result in a ban?" This shit shouldn't be allowed on this site. I agree. TL Mods should be banning a few ppl. I'd be happy to name names.
No banning. TL should either just close these threads ASAP or not ban. No heavily moderated discussion where "controversial" views are banned. Either have an open conversation or no conversation at all.
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On September 28 2011 13:55 Bigpet wrote:This thread has a huge problem with semantics. When most people talk about Gypsies they don't talk about the ethnic group but rather the culture that goes along with it. Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:48 Josealtron wrote:
Stop with the "we tried to integrate them" bullshit-the hatred makes it clear that there's no desire to integrate them. Well I agree with you that there is a certain resistance to integration among the population but you also have to see that in addition to that there culture is actively resisting integration as well. Some regents in Europe grew so frustrated with that, that they even took away their children and forbid marriage among themselves just to stop the endless cycle that lead to there current position. Just to be clear: those were the wrong measurements and the failure of integration lies on both sides.
That's a reasonable statement, and that's what we need more of.
I don't doubt what you say, but it doesn't really make what I say untrue. There's 2 sides to everything, and I have no doubt that the gypsies have made mistakes as well.
It's the hatred in this thread that gets my blood boiling.
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On September 28 2011 13:56 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:50 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 13:48 Josealtron wrote:On September 28 2011 13:32 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:29 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 13:26 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:
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Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all.
But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus.
Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind...
Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:
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Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all.
But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus.
Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them. Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject. One point cleared. As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country. A second point cleared. You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable. A third point is cleared. So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is? Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that. Fully paid scholarships for 4 or more years in all the top universities in Romania are RESERVED for gipsies (as in only gipsies can apply and the spots dont go to romanians if they are not occupied). There are about 10 spots for each branch of each university and on average 1 or 2 out of 10 will be applied for. But this is only 1 example. I would really like to know if you treat your minorities so well in the USA. ^_^; The fact that only 1 or 2 out of the 10 are applied for should show u just how big the problem is. Also, the fact that you dont seem to understand this also reinforces the fact that your a racist. It is indeed a problem when a group of people are so full of themselves that they're given endless opportunity and are defiantly opposed to being a part of society because they're too special for it. Ironically, they have no problem consistently taking and stealing from it. Helping them become educated starts at the bottom though, if you don't help them get and stay in school when they are young then you can't expect them to mystically be able to go to universities. As has been stated many times in this thread, lower education is free. It's just the gypsies don't want to go to school, or go for a very limited period. I see you do not reply to my last reply to you. Truth hurts, huh? Why the fuck would you want to be part of a society that spits on you? Why the fuck would you want to send your children to a school where everyone, including teachers, will treat the child like shit? If the parent knows that everyone is going to treat your child like shit because he/she's a gypsy, the only thing the parent can do is teach a child how to survive in that world. No one will want to hire them. No one will want to give them opportunities. Stop with the "we tried to integrate them" bullshit-the hatred makes it clear that there's no desire to integrate them. This is what the vast majority of the hateful posters don't understand. When everyone hates you for who you are, why the hell would you want to be near them? Why would you care about stealing from them, when they treat you as subhuman anyway? There's been comments referring to them as rats or similar. And I know somebody is going to say "You're from the US, you don't understand, stfu". Attack the fucking argument, not the poster-that's something I've been seeing a lot in this thread by people too blinded to actually think rationally. OF COURSE it's gonna look like the majority of gypsies are terrible when all you ever hear about them is shit like this. That doesn't make it true, and it doesn't come close to justifying the things some have said. And what happened to "racist comments will result in a ban?" This shit shouldn't be allowed on this site. I agree. TL Mods should be banning a few ppl. I'd be happy to name names. No banning. TL should either just close these threads ASAP or not ban. No heavily moderated discussion where "controversial" views are banned. Either have an open conversation or no conversation at all.
Go read what the Mods wrote @ top.
Racist comments = ban.
I have seen many racists statements.
Once you bring racism into a discussion its no longer productive anymore.
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For comparison I'll show u some pics of normal gypsy "block" and norman Bulgarian block:
Fakulteto (the biggest gypsy block in bg) @ Sofia the capital.
http://static2.novatv.bg/files/reportages/2673.jpg
Stolipinovo (the 2nd biggest) @ Plovdiv the 2nd biggest city:
http://i.actualno.com/club.bg/files/2007/08/16/c098baa929.jpg
Now some standart pics from those 2 cities:
Sofia - Google search for pics @ Lozenec, Sofia
Plovdiv - Pics from Plovdiv
U can try to reach some results with just googling few words. You'll get the major picture. Gypsies have been subsidized during the years with money, buildings, and many other things and opportunities... they just can't fit into any adequate democratic system. They need a king (or some kind of tyrant) who make them do the right things with HUGE restrictions so they don't expand and do the mess they are good at...
P.S. That's not racism. It's just the truth. If you call the truth racist then the problem is in you and only you for being blind or just trying to act "cool".
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On September 28 2011 12:51 RudrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Again, you are generalizing the entire gypsies people. And PLEASE dont tell me that because im from NA I can't understand the situation. Read up on the persecution of gypsies in Europe. No one will give them a job or any opportunities. Because of this they are forced to live the way they are. Look at the attitude of ppl in this thread. Do you think any of them will hire a gypsie?
Of course noone would hire a gypsy. Is that racist? You tell me, would you hire a person who can't read or write, lives in squalor and rummages through trash for a living, keeps children out of school and uses them as nothing more than welfare checks, begging tools and teaches them stealing? Europe is a vast multicultural melting pot. My country in particular has pretty large populations from all ex-Yugoslavia republics. Croatians, Serbs, Bosnians, Macedonians, Albanians. Why did they come to our country? Because the war of '91 hurt Slovenia the least (only 2 weeks of low scale border scrmishes, no damage to infrastructure), so job oportunities were better here. Even the ones that came from less developed parts and lack education find work, everyone sends their children to school. Gypsies do not, even though work is done to help them in the form of free housing (that they demolish through neglect), welfare and encouragement to send their kids to school.
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People need to let the mods do what they do, this isn't the thread for that.
The thread itself can lead to inflamatory remarks back and forth, but so can a lot of threads on TL. That doesn't mean it should instantly be locked before it has a chance to become a decent discussion. There will always be people who take things to far and those people need to be handled separately from the thread, otherwise we might as well not even be able to create threads.
If anything the thread should refocus on how to integrate gypsies into native populations and in order to do that how to reduce the negative discrimination associated with them which needs to be taught to not only the general population as a whole but especially the children who aren't gypsies so as to encourage the ones who do go to school to enjoy it as an experience which once again will have a trickle down effect. Guess what happens? Gypsies become valuable members of society, everyone should be happy then. (Except the racists)
Is it going to be immediate? No. Is it going to be easy? No. Will it potentially have speed bumps and need to be reworked and potentially pressured on one side or another? Yes. But for the greater good in the end it needs to be done, unless people really believe that exterminating the gypsies or sending them off to an island is the proper response... in which case *facepalm*
On September 28 2011 14:08 m00nchile wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:51 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Again, you are generalizing the entire gypsies people. And PLEASE dont tell me that because im from NA I can't understand the situation. Read up on the persecution of gypsies in Europe. No one will give them a job or any opportunities. Because of this they are forced to live the way they are. Look at the attitude of ppl in this thread. Do you think any of them will hire a gypsie? Of course noone would hire a gypsy. Is that racist? You tell me, would you hire a person who can't read or write, lives in squalor and rummages through trash for a living, keeps children out of school and uses them as nothing more than welfare checks, begging tools and teaches them stealing? Europe is a vast multicultural melting pot. My country in particular has pretty large populations from all ex-Yugoslavia republics. Croatians, Serbs, Bosnians, Macedonians, Albanians. Why did they come to our country? Because the war of '91 hurt Slovenia the least (only 2 weeks of low scale border scrmishes, no damage to infrastructure), so job oportunities were better here. Even the ones that came from less developed parts and lack education find work, everyone sends their children to school. Gypsies do not, even though work is done to help them in the form of free housing (that they demolish through neglect), welfare and encouragement to send their kids to school.
That's the problem. What's your solution?
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Relevant to what people are talking about recently.
Throwing this in here, but a 2 second Google search of "Roma Employment Rates" yielded this study from 2006:
http://europeandcis.undp.org/files/uploads/_rbec web/roma portal/ivan1.pdf
It might be a bit dated as it came before the recent economic struggles, and so might not be completely representative, but I doubt those could have had anything other than a negative effect on employment rates. As well, this talks about the effect of education, and if discrimination has anything to do with employment rates.
Thought it might be useful, for most everyone lacking any relevant statistics.
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