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SevenBunnies
United States24 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
On September 28 2011 14:57 sandg wrote: Unfortunately, europeans feel justified in their hate of gypsies. To put into perspective, the romanian word for 'gypsy' is used interchangeably for the word 'nigger' (it was once upon a time, dunno about now). Considering individual experiences with them, this is understandable - I'm romanian myself and last time my mum went to visit her home town (first time back in 20-25 years) she was sitting in a cafe and a young gypsy child came up to her and asked her for some money. The shopkeeper made the kid piss off, those kind aren't allowed in places where respectable citizens eat. My mum wouldn't give him money because she's not a moron, but bought him a cake or sandwich or some shit: as soon as he got it he went down the road and gave it to his uncle or whoever was making the kid go out begging. This is the experience most people in europe have with gypsies. The thing is, in australia, the indigenous population is in much the same situation as a result of decades of institutionalised racism (e.g. they only received the right to vote in the 70s and 80s). The implicit public view of aborigines is that they are criminal scum living off welfare handouts, wrecking whatever housing and facilities are provided for them, the same case of rejecting help that the europeans in this thread are citing (here, any aborigine that wants to enter higher education can do so for free and with no limits on entry ie. previous schooling, guess how many take that offer up?). It is only recently that public consciousness has begun to acknowledge that the reason for this is not their race, but their position of disadvantage throughout history that has affected them so severely it is nearly part of their cultural psyche. Until this happens in europe, we will continue to see comments like 'you just don't understand or haven't met gypsies'. Do you know what gypsies are like in australia? They are normal people since they are removed from their shanty towns and godfathers and whatnot, and also removed from public prejudice since australians don't know anything about cultures overseas and never had a reason to hate on them. Sorry for longwinded post, my dad grew up in bucharest around a lot of gypsies even ending up learning much of the language, and he found that if he showed them respect, they would do the same. This is very true, but even the most racist/bigot commenters in this thread would probably agree that Romani people would be able to live a normal life if given a fresh start in a country like Australia. Unfortunately, the conditions in their home countries that have been established in centuries are not easily erased, not even by massive social engineering. It's not just a matter of getting rid of prejudices. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
On September 28 2011 16:15 Takezou wrote: Are you claiming that for centuries the Gypsies were treated well and yet did not integrate? Or is it that Gypsies fro centuries faced the same bigotry that so many Europeans show towards them in this thread. I find the idea strange to evaluate historical developments that happened centuries ago based on modern concepts, and it will help noone to assign blame to a particular group. | ||
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m00nchile
Slovenia240 Posts
On September 28 2011 16:19 Maenander wrote: This is very true, but even the most racist/bigot commenters in this thread would probably agree that Romani people would be able to live a normal life if given a fresh start in a country like Australia. Unfortunately, the conditions in their home countries that have been established in centuries are not easily erased, not even by massive social engineering. It's not just a matter of getting rid of prejudices. Also, the main reason gypsies can prosper if they emigrate to a far away land is beacause they don't do so en masse. The main reason this problem exists is that the gypsy community is set in their ways and treat the ones that want to better themselves with ridicule, hatred and sometimes even violence. If they come into a community that doesn't lash out at them because they send their children to school and find a job results will of course be very beneficial. This is the main point we try to illustrate, unwillingness to change and dragging the next generation into the same lifestyle. And for the record, I never stated in this thread that they are geneticaly inferior or that they should be deported (just shifting the problem elswhere) or eradicated and I have condemned such comments because they bring nothing to the discussion and reinforce the view of others that we're racist or bigoted when we just don't want a harmfull element in our society and that we're actively trying to better the situation for these people, but are met with non-cooperation. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 28 2011 16:18 SevenBunnies wrote: Slightly off-topic, but I find it funny that every poster who goes "IF I MADE A COMPARISON LIKE THIS TO BLACKS/MEXICANS/ASIANS I WOULD BE BANNED FOR RACISM" always leaves off whites. Have we finally hit that beautiful stage where being racist to white people is cool because those damn crackers have always been racist in the past? (They probably had slaves too!) Probably because whites are rarely discriminated against compared to the others in most western societies, with the exception of the dying affirmative action and ability to qualify for certain scholarships/educational benefits. | ||
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Takezou
United States320 Posts
On September 28 2011 16:18 SevenBunnies wrote: Slightly off-topic, but I find it funny that every poster who goes "IF I MADE A COMPARISON LIKE THIS TO BLACKS/MEXICANS/ASIANS I WOULD BE BANNED FOR RACISM" always leaves off whites. Have we finally hit that beautiful stage where being racist to white people is cool because those damn crackers have always been racist in the past? (They probably had slaves too!) Whites have been the dominant group and thus when discrimination has typically happened it has been against blacks/asians etc not whites. Your comment just comes of as ignorant at best. | ||
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dp
United States234 Posts
I guess since we don't have the same kind of problem with them, that our input doesn't count. I get it. As for solutions, there are no easy ones. You don't just give people things and expect obedience to you. I am not one to blame past circumstances, but looking at their history, it is easy to see why they don't integrate as willingly as others. | ||
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Takezou
United States320 Posts
On September 28 2011 16:29 Maenander wrote: I find the idea strange to evaluate historical developments that happened centuries ago based on modern concepts, and it will help noone to assign blame to a particular group. Fair enough but you did assign blame to the gypsies earlier and so do most Europeans in this thread. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
On September 28 2011 16:43 Takezou wrote: Fair enough but you did assign blame to the gypsies earlier and so do most Europeans in this thread. When did I assign blame to them? | ||
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Sherlock.
Bulgaria35 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On September 28 2011 16:49 Sherlock. wrote: The biggest problem of those gypsies are that they don't give a s**t about the others. They don't pay the bills for water,electricity etc.. The make a lot of children to take money from the country.( For a child they take about 50-100 lv = 30-60 $, and they have minimum 3)Yet, in front of every camera of the televisions they still say how poor they are (yet i have seen gypsies with mercedes and BMW) and how everybody is rude to them. And that's a huge lie.Those gypsies often fight,rape and steal. Sometimes they even kill. And i really hate them. Now, there are a lot of riots and i am one of them and i support them. I won't really say what i want to happen to the gypsies,because i will get banned. And the biggest problem is that the country actually want a certain number of gypsies to live in the country, because with them the politicians win their political campaigns (the gypsies (who are minimum 450 000 people) sell their votes for about 20 lv = 10 euro = about 15 $) You sound like a member of the KKK talking about black people. Just saying | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1184 Posts
The afroamericans have been slaves like what..? a century ago? Do they integrate in the system? Do they go to school? No minority.. almost everyone. There have always been racism and always be, towards black, yello, white, whatever ppl around the world. That has nothing to do with the current issue. I told u. Just google for pics with the words "цигани в България" (gypsies in Bulgaria). And imagine this is the way it is not beacause of racism or anything else. It's just because this part of the society is like trash. (I don't want to be understanded wrong) When u go to the garbage and u see 1t of trash there will be few things which can be useful or just left there cause they have something to substitute them. But overall everything is trash... METAPHORE don't attack me for the strong words. Some1 asked if it has been better with the communism/socialism or whatever u would call it. - For this particular issue - YES. Just because in such political system you've got strong control and hard restrictions for those who don't obey the general. And such things as "not going to school, thieving, breaking, drug usage and abusing everything" are just not possible. Or if they are done... they won't be done by the same person ever again. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1184 Posts
On September 28 2011 16:51 Orcasgt24 wrote: You sound like a member of the KKK talking about black people. Just saying Yes he sounds like that. But the problem is that the local government and etc are too weak to do anything. And in fact that's the result and 95% of these words are truth. (ok 80% xd) | ||
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Sherlock.
Bulgaria35 Posts
On September 28 2011 16:51 Orcasgt24 wrote: You sound like a member of the KKK talking about black people. Just saying No, i am not a member of the KKK.What i said is actually the reallity.Ask other people of bulgaria and they will say the same. | ||
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dp
United States234 Posts
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TheBJ
Bulgaria906 Posts
On September 28 2011 17:01 dp wrote: You guys love to keep the percentages in the the 90s. 95% of gypsy steal. 95% of that sentence is true. etc etc. etc. 96.9% of the 99.9% of the statistics on the internet are 99.9% made up. | ||
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mdb
Bulgaria4059 Posts
On September 28 2011 17:01 dp wrote: You guys love to keep the percentages in the the 90s. 95% of gypsy steal. 95% of that sentence is true. etc etc. etc. yeah, in some of their "tribes" its 100%. For example the "Kardarsashi Tribe" which is the biggest part of the gypsy population, the mothers teach all their children to steal from very young age. Its not because, they are bad people, or bad race, but its their culture, its their tradition, its their way of life, its their way of making a living - by stealing. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On September 28 2011 16:59 Sherlock. wrote: No, i am not a member of the KKK.What i said is actually the reallity.Ask other people of bulgaria and they will say the same. I never said you were a KKK member. I said you sounded like a KKK member that was talking about black people. | ||
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sandg
Australia123 Posts
On September 28 2011 16:53 BlueStar wrote: I told u. Just google for pics with the words "цигани в България" (gypsies in Bulgaria). And imagine this is the way it is not beacause of racism or anything else. It's just because this part of the society is like trash. (I don't want to be understanded wrong) When u go to the garbage and u see 1t of trash there will be few things which can be useful or just left there cause they have something to substitute them. But overall everything is trash... METAPHORE don't attack me for the strong words. Yes but the fact is it is racism, because you assume they are trash because of race. In reality they are no different from white trash junkie scumbags that we see on our streets, assaulting and raping people. No one cries about them because that's just regular crime committed by white trash (here we have a lot of white trash scum, I'm sure it's the same in the US). But when these acts are performed by a minority, it gets blamed on their race as opposed to them just being scum. | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1184 Posts
In historical plan Bulgaria had one of the strongest economies for it's size before let's say 1930. If u trace the demographic statistics u'll see the rate of births and the low level of gypsies. And this is one of the major clues to get to the point. | ||
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