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On September 28 2011 18:38 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 18:09 hgt1002 wrote:On September 28 2011 17:55 Orcasgt24 wrote:Intresting video. These kids are talented thiefs. Sounds like Spain is too soft on crime and that they do absolutly nothing to help the children that they arrest. Thats a government failure if I ever saw one. Spain doesn't seem to be the only ones going about this wrong too. Every article I read from various countries is baisclly the same. The adults teach the kids and the kids do not fear the punishment because there is none. The selling children as brides thing aint a Gypsy exclusive thing. Its done in some Arab countrys aswell as in parts of Africa. On September 28 2011 17:54 askTeivospy wrote:
I've been reading this thread and on the whole it seems as if the European people generally hate gypsies and north american people are calling them racist for it. Like I said before, I'm more inclined to side with the Europeans on this one since they *LIVE* it. The view Euoros have on gypsys is not that different from teh view white americans had on black people 50 years ago. Just because the majority have a specific view doesn't make it right. but when a minority (you) have a specific view with no understanding of anything, it surely has to be right isnt it? you forget that, africans been brought to the US against their own will, and was enslaved and threated like a second grade human. now, gypsys came here at their own will, and at the top of that have more privilages than a born hungarian. so in fact, were treated like second grade in our country. for example if i want to go to a university and i can prove one of my grandparents are roma, i get extra points for qualification... what do you think about that? the two situation does not compare, as america hurted black communities a lot, so they have the right to claim some sort of an endorsement as a compensation. I don't forget the context of african americans arrival. Your example of university is not that different from the kind of privilages natives get in canada.
so you didnt forget, only ignored it.
and yes, the natives, who you took the land from. were the natives of hungary, and being in a disadvantage compared to them.
hope you see the difference.
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On September 28 2011 17:55 Orcasgt24 wrote:Intresting video. These kids are talented thiefs. Sounds like Spain is too soft on crime and that they do absolutly nothing to help the children that they arrest. Thats a government failure if I ever saw one. Spain doesn't seem to be the only ones going about this wrong too. Every article I read from various countries is baisclly the same. The adults teach the kids and the kids do not fear the punishment because there is none. Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 17:54 askTeivospy wrote:
I've been reading this thread and on the whole it seems as if the European people generally hate gypsies and north american people are calling them racist for it. Like I said before, I'm more inclined to side with the Europeans on this one since they *LIVE* it. The view Euoros have on gypsys is not that different from teh view white americans had on black people 50 years ago. Just because the majority have a specific view doesn't make it right.
This is not happening in Spain only but in evry single western European country more or less.
Black people managed to integrate for 50 years. In Europe we have gypsies from centuries, it's different.
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On September 28 2011 18:39 Nikon wrote:
How is this thread developing so strong in the direction of gypsy minority problem/racism against them? It's not what the riots were about at all... it's like people outside of Bulgaria don't understand the happenings at all, even after they've been spelled out for them. I give up.
well, i have nothing but solidarity to every bulgarian friend. i think every eastern euro country face the same problem to some degree, and we have to be vocal about it, to make outsiders understand the likes of czar kiro arent the ones who victimized by racism and hate.
all i can hope these protest will bring the issue to the worlds eyes, how disgraceful and corrupt the goverments are, but also its important to avoid the hate-crime issues which is the first thing to show up everytime when gypsys involved in something.
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On September 28 2011 11:39 discodancer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:
Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments. Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story. And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian.
There is no illegal border crossing anymore dude. France has no limitations on bulgarians/romanians going there for various purposes. Get a grip. They just got deported for being gypsies. At the current time there simply is no solution outside of forging each and every family to let their children get an education. And there just isn't enough police to force all of them.
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discodancer, another all-knowing american.
district full of gypsys? and only 3 of them in school? =)))
a six grader cannot read (age of 12)? =)))
illegal borders crossing in the european union? =))))
"Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think."
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On September 28 2011 18:49 dakalro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:39 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:
Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments. Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story. And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian. There is no illegal border crossing anymore dude. France has no limitations on bulgarians/romanians going there for various purposes. Get a grip. They just got deported for being gypsies. At the current time there simply is no solution outside of forging each and every family to let their children get an education. And there just isn't enough police to force all of them.
Romania and Bulgaria are not members of the Schengen Agreement.
Just sayin'
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"Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US."
This part intrigued me to see what would be ur point of view.
"I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story.
And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian."
This part destroyed the first statement and proved it as a complete lie.
You got to understand/know that if u are deported from EU country to other it's because of some crime or being gypsy. (just a fact which u got to understand/know is not a coincidence).
In fact I know some gypsies which are smarter and sending their kids to school, and working... and they are doing everything possible to be separated from the "gypsy thing". So gypsies are gypsies and the minority of them which is doing the things right hate gypsies as well...
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On September 28 2011 19:05 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 18:49 dakalro wrote:On September 28 2011 11:39 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:
Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments. Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story. And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian. There is no illegal border crossing anymore dude. France has no limitations on bulgarians/romanians going there for various purposes. Get a grip. They just got deported for being gypsies. At the current time there simply is no solution outside of forging each and every family to let their children get an education. And there just isn't enough police to force all of them. Romania and Bulgaria are not members of the Schengen Agreement. Just sayin'
Well in a few months maybe in a year at max when the two countries become members of the agreement, what are the other countries gonna do when the gypsies finally have the legal rights to go wherever the fuck in Europe they want and start stealing/prostituting/drug-dealing/murdering/raping and all the other crimes they commit in our countries, what are the western governments gonna do then? You don't think that people won't start protests in your countries?
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On September 28 2011 18:46 hgt1002 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 18:39 Nikon wrote:
How is this thread developing so strong in the direction of gypsy minority problem/racism against them? It's not what the riots were about at all... it's like people outside of Bulgaria don't understand the happenings at all, even after they've been spelled out for them. I give up. well, i have nothing but solidarity to every bulgarian friend. i think every eastern euro country face the same problem to some degree, and we have to be vocal about it, to make outsiders understand the likes of czar kiro arent the ones who victimized by racism and hate. all i can hope these protest will bring the issue to the worlds eyes, how disgraceful and corrupt the goverments are, but also its important to avoid the hate-crime issues which is the first thing to show up everytime when gypsys involved in something.
There are no violent protests. Apart from the first one, in which only one of the gypsy families living in Katunitsa was targetted. Everything else is provocateurs planted in peaceful protests to create tension that the parties can ride in the upcoming - less than a month away - elections. Let's forget about the fact that first death was orchestrated, seeing as how the burnt down house was stripped of most valuable (in the pictures, there are stands for the outer parts of AC units that are missing, etc.) things way before shit went down. And the main culprit is being guarded in a 5 star hotel.
But apparently, no one cares about that, all that is important is that I'm a racist bigot that hates gypsies. At least that's my impression from reading this thread.
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On September 28 2011 09:07 Bartimaues wrote:
I'm from America and I had no idea that gypsies were a 21st century problem - the only time I've heard about them outside of a history class is this thread. Some of the actions described by them make them seem so detestable - listening to the persons who are posting from eastern europe, I couldn't even imagine having persons like those described living in American society. From reading the thread through there seems to be no solution but to send them somewhere else which doesn't take care of the problem at all, merely move it.
What I would love to read is the perspective of a true Gypsy on the topic - if anyone has a link or can provide such a thing, I think that would benefit the discussion enormously as every post has been from the perspective of the Gypsy's victims and those who are leeched off of by them, and so (rightly) heavily biased against them.
If anyone can give a link to a Gypsy's perspective on the topic of their culture against that of Eastern Europe, please do so.
95 ~ 99% of them are illiterate, so to even mention being able to use the PC is weird. But ones who can are usually banished from their own society as traitors, so they wouldn't defend the gypsy majority either.
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On September 28 2011 19:09 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 18:46 hgt1002 wrote:On September 28 2011 18:39 Nikon wrote:
How is this thread developing so strong in the direction of gypsy minority problem/racism against them? It's not what the riots were about at all... it's like people outside of Bulgaria don't understand the happenings at all, even after they've been spelled out for them. I give up. well, i have nothing but solidarity to every bulgarian friend. i think every eastern euro country face the same problem to some degree, and we have to be vocal about it, to make outsiders understand the likes of czar kiro arent the ones who victimized by racism and hate. all i can hope these protest will bring the issue to the worlds eyes, how disgraceful and corrupt the goverments are, but also its important to avoid the hate-crime issues which is the first thing to show up everytime when gypsys involved in something. There are no violent protests. Apart from the first one, in which only one of the gypsy families living in Katunitsa was targetted. Everything else is provocateurs planted in peaceful protests to create tension that the parties can ride in the upcoming - less than a month away - elections. Let's forget about the fact that first death was orchestrated, seeing as how the burnt down house was stripped of most valuable (in the pictures, there are stands for the outer parts of AC units that are missing, etc.) things way before shit went down. And the main culprit is being guarded in a 5 star hotel. But apparently, no one cares about that, all that is important is that I'm a racist bigot that hates gypsies. At least that's my impression from reading this thread.
the news now hitted hungarys biggest news portal. you can read the context yourself, its very disappointing. on the international level, it seems there is already a racist case being formed victimizing the overlords.
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=hu&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=hu&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://index.hu/kulfold/2011/09/28/ciganyellenes_tuntetesek_bulgariaban_168_letartoztatas/
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It's funny how all those ignorant people claiming "it's racism" conveniently ignored my previous post.
The crime lord said the same thing himself, everything against him is on ethnic basis.
The cries of racism against the gypsies have reached an absolutely ridiculous point, where even a fucking crime lord hides behind racism.
And what we get here, a bunch of ignorants agreeing with a crime lord. It's disgusting.
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On September 28 2011 19:09 pred470r wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 19:05 Boblion wrote:On September 28 2011 18:49 dakalro wrote:On September 28 2011 11:39 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:
Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments. Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story. And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian. There is no illegal border crossing anymore dude. France has no limitations on bulgarians/romanians going there for various purposes. Get a grip. They just got deported for being gypsies. At the current time there simply is no solution outside of forging each and every family to let their children get an education. And there just isn't enough police to force all of them. Romania and Bulgaria are not members of the Schengen Agreement. Just sayin' Well in a few months maybe in a year at max when the two countries become members of the agreement, what are the other countries gonna do when the gypsies finally have the legal rights to go wherever the fuck in Europe they want and start stealing/prostituting/drug-dealing/murdering/raping and all the other crimes they commit in our countries, what are the western governments gonna do then? You don't think that people won't start protests in your countries?
Was just correcting this guy. Idk what will happen but i wouldn't be surprised if the negociations are delayed.
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On September 28 2011 19:12 hgt1002 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 19:09 Nikon wrote:On September 28 2011 18:46 hgt1002 wrote:On September 28 2011 18:39 Nikon wrote:
How is this thread developing so strong in the direction of gypsy minority problem/racism against them? It's not what the riots were about at all... it's like people outside of Bulgaria don't understand the happenings at all, even after they've been spelled out for them. I give up. well, i have nothing but solidarity to every bulgarian friend. i think every eastern euro country face the same problem to some degree, and we have to be vocal about it, to make outsiders understand the likes of czar kiro arent the ones who victimized by racism and hate. all i can hope these protest will bring the issue to the worlds eyes, how disgraceful and corrupt the goverments are, but also its important to avoid the hate-crime issues which is the first thing to show up everytime when gypsys involved in something. There are no violent protests. Apart from the first one, in which only one of the gypsy families living in Katunitsa was targetted. Everything else is provocateurs planted in peaceful protests to create tension that the parties can ride in the upcoming - less than a month away - elections. Let's forget about the fact that first death was orchestrated, seeing as how the burnt down house was stripped of most valuable (in the pictures, there are stands for the outer parts of AC units that are missing, etc.) things way before shit went down. And the main culprit is being guarded in a 5 star hotel. But apparently, no one cares about that, all that is important is that I'm a racist bigot that hates gypsies. At least that's my impression from reading this thread. the news now hitted hungarys biggest news portal. you can read the context yourself, its very disappointing. on the international level, it seems there is already a racist case being formed victimizing the overlords. http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=hu&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=hu&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://index.hu/kulfold/2011/09/28/ciganyellenes_tuntetesek_bulgariaban_168_letartoztatas/
Pseudo-journalism. That whole article is bollocks. Of course, I'm only getting partial translation, so some parts of it are unclear, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Well after all that's the complete idea besides the "gypsy problem".
They (the gypsies overall) do whatever they want and if some1 oppose them they cry for racism and in the end... nothing can be done to them cause the "modern society" is suing the "racists".
It's one vicious circle of hypocrisy which can be broken but just cause of the hypocrisy itself won't be ever.
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On September 28 2011 19:16 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 19:12 hgt1002 wrote:On September 28 2011 19:09 Nikon wrote:On September 28 2011 18:46 hgt1002 wrote:On September 28 2011 18:39 Nikon wrote:
How is this thread developing so strong in the direction of gypsy minority problem/racism against them? It's not what the riots were about at all... it's like people outside of Bulgaria don't understand the happenings at all, even after they've been spelled out for them. I give up. well, i have nothing but solidarity to every bulgarian friend. i think every eastern euro country face the same problem to some degree, and we have to be vocal about it, to make outsiders understand the likes of czar kiro arent the ones who victimized by racism and hate. all i can hope these protest will bring the issue to the worlds eyes, how disgraceful and corrupt the goverments are, but also its important to avoid the hate-crime issues which is the first thing to show up everytime when gypsys involved in something. There are no violent protests. Apart from the first one, in which only one of the gypsy families living in Katunitsa was targetted. Everything else is provocateurs planted in peaceful protests to create tension that the parties can ride in the upcoming - less than a month away - elections. Let's forget about the fact that first death was orchestrated, seeing as how the burnt down house was stripped of most valuable (in the pictures, there are stands for the outer parts of AC units that are missing, etc.) things way before shit went down. And the main culprit is being guarded in a 5 star hotel. But apparently, no one cares about that, all that is important is that I'm a racist bigot that hates gypsies. At least that's my impression from reading this thread. the news now hitted hungarys biggest news portal. you can read the context yourself, its very disappointing. on the international level, it seems there is already a racist case being formed victimizing the overlords. http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=hu&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=hu&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://index.hu/kulfold/2011/09/28/ciganyellenes_tuntetesek_bulgariaban_168_letartoztatas/ Pseudo-journalism. That whole article is bollocks.
really? would have never thought =))))
pseudo-journalism or not, the people only hear about the thing through this article, will form their opinion based on that, this is why it is important to be vocal about the problems on an individual level, so those others who inclined to thinking instead of just letting others tell them to what to think will have other information to form their opinion.
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On September 28 2011 19:16 BlueStar wrote:
Well after all that's the complete idea besides the "gypsy problem".
They (the gypsies overall) do whatever they want and if some1 oppose them they cry for racism and in the end... nothing can be done to them cause the "modern society" is suing the "racists".
It's one vicious circle of hypocrisy which can be broken but just cause of the hypocrisy itself won't be ever.
No. We need entirely new political clique. Pick 240 random people that are under 30 and let's go from there. I promise you, it would be better than the current situation. Gypsies can only do whatever they want because our government doesn't want to enforce anything on them.
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On September 28 2011 19:20 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 19:16 BlueStar wrote:
Well after all that's the complete idea besides the "gypsy problem".
They (the gypsies overall) do whatever they want and if some1 oppose them they cry for racism and in the end... nothing can be done to them cause the "modern society" is suing the "racists".
It's one vicious circle of hypocrisy which can be broken but just cause of the hypocrisy itself won't be ever. No. We need entirely new political clique. Pick 240 random people that are under 30 and let's go from there. I promise you, it would be better than the current situation. Gypsies can only do whatever they want because our government doesn't want to enforce anything on them.
this is what every post-communist country needs, but chances are high it wont happen at least for 20 years from now =(
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On September 28 2011 19:15 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 19:09 pred470r wrote:On September 28 2011 19:05 Boblion wrote:On September 28 2011 18:49 dakalro wrote:On September 28 2011 11:39 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:
Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments. Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story. And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian. There is no illegal border crossing anymore dude. France has no limitations on bulgarians/romanians going there for various purposes. Get a grip. They just got deported for being gypsies. At the current time there simply is no solution outside of forging each and every family to let their children get an education. And there just isn't enough police to force all of them. Romania and Bulgaria are not members of the Schengen Agreement. Just sayin' Well in a few months maybe in a year at max when the two countries become members of the agreement, what are the other countries gonna do when the gypsies finally have the legal rights to go wherever the fuck in Europe they want and start stealing/prostituting/drug-dealing/murdering/raping and all the other crimes they commit in our countries, what are the western governments gonna do then? You don't think that people won't start protests in your countries? Was just correcting this guy. Idk what will happen but i wouldn't be surprised if the negociations are delayed.
Btw. the reason that they can cross borders is actually this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_2004/38/EC_on_the_right_to_move_and_reside_freely
So, no need to be in the Shengen Agreement which is also mentioned in the link that you provided
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On September 28 2011 19:19 hgt1002 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 19:16 Nikon wrote:On September 28 2011 19:12 hgt1002 wrote:On September 28 2011 19:09 Nikon wrote:On September 28 2011 18:46 hgt1002 wrote:On September 28 2011 18:39 Nikon wrote:
How is this thread developing so strong in the direction of gypsy minority problem/racism against them? It's not what the riots were about at all... it's like people outside of Bulgaria don't understand the happenings at all, even after they've been spelled out for them. I give up. well, i have nothing but solidarity to every bulgarian friend. i think every eastern euro country face the same problem to some degree, and we have to be vocal about it, to make outsiders understand the likes of czar kiro arent the ones who victimized by racism and hate. all i can hope these protest will bring the issue to the worlds eyes, how disgraceful and corrupt the goverments are, but also its important to avoid the hate-crime issues which is the first thing to show up everytime when gypsys involved in something. There are no violent protests. Apart from the first one, in which only one of the gypsy families living in Katunitsa was targetted. Everything else is provocateurs planted in peaceful protests to create tension that the parties can ride in the upcoming - less than a month away - elections. Let's forget about the fact that first death was orchestrated, seeing as how the burnt down house was stripped of most valuable (in the pictures, there are stands for the outer parts of AC units that are missing, etc.) things way before shit went down. And the main culprit is being guarded in a 5 star hotel. But apparently, no one cares about that, all that is important is that I'm a racist bigot that hates gypsies. At least that's my impression from reading this thread. the news now hitted hungarys biggest news portal. you can read the context yourself, its very disappointing. on the international level, it seems there is already a racist case being formed victimizing the overlords. http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=hu&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=hu&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://index.hu/kulfold/2011/09/28/ciganyellenes_tuntetesek_bulgariaban_168_letartoztatas/ Pseudo-journalism. That whole article is bollocks. really? would have never thought =)))) pseudo-journalism or not, the people only hear about the thing through this article, will form their opinion based on that, this is why it is important to be vocal about the problems on an individual level, so those others who inclined to thinking instead of just letting others tell them to what to think will have other information to form their opinion.
That's another problem with the mass media being too powerful and the society being too naive and not looking for the truth and just relying on "reliable sources". These reliable sources can be even ur parents or ur best friends... nvm I'll get too damn deep in some philosophy analysis.
/offtopic: If u have time read Cognitive pragmatism
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