if you don't have gipsies in your country don't even talk. do you know how it feels to come back home from school with fear in your stomach because a camp a gipsies are on the way to your house? but everytime people do something against them you have idiots saying you are a racist and so on. they do live only off of what they steal and their traffic. or please explain me how they can buy mercedeses and BMWs off of the social helps that we, in our infinite kindness, still allow them. i personally hate communitarianism as a whole (freemasonry, or some aspects of the jewish culture), but even more in this case because they are not only closed to the world but they are also dangerous and show very limited signs of having a common moral with us.
Look since i'm from a country that enslave millions of africans and sent them to the americas and i also have lots of black people and gipsy in my country i can say without any type of bias that the racism in the usa against black people aint got nothing to do with the euro gipsy "hate".
Black people mingle, they like white girls, they become friends with whites boys, they go to school, they want to work and do work when it's available, they eventually become a big part of our society, with musicians, politicians, bussiness man, cops, doctors, lawyers etc.. there is crime of course but it's not endemic to a race it's a problem with poverty and ghettos.
Now you look at portuguese gipsys(in my country they are not so hardcore like in romania and bulgaria, thank you for that), this is a people that live like "nomads" but they don't work the ground or have animals, so they have to buy stuff to survive. But they don't work, they sell stuff or resort to crime. They have lots of kids to benefit from big subsidies from the state and the state also gave them houses to stop them from setting camp wherever they want. If a gipsy goes to a hospital the all family goes, so imagine 30 dirty gipsys in from of a hospital camping all day. Many of them resort to selling pirated stuff and lead a more legal way of life, women and children sell false bags in a market and the man helps and also sells some hash, for instance.
Can you imagine how it's so easy to hate them? I work for a living, we pay our taxes and the goverment doesn't give me a house or anybody else.. but they gave it to the gipsys! Great houses with rents of 10€ por month and they don't pay! Not because they don't have it but because they know no one is gonna make them pay. Imagine what it is to marry your daughters at 7 years old and never let them go to school. Why? To perpetuate the gap in our societies? They have elders and those are the rule makers and the police.
All of this is not to validate the extermination of a people but to open the eyes of people that see this has pure racism, it's got nothing to do with color or prejudice. It's all about what everyone can see for themselves. Now i also know gipsys that are changing and started to go to school etc. so there is hope and in my country i know they will never become a bigger trouble then they are now. If all goes nice they will eventually become part of our society. They only speak portuguese for instance, have the same religion(why would anyone) and overall are beginning to change, but it's a portuguese and latino thing, we mingle.
Romanian gipsys are diferrent tho, those are 100% lost for society. They don't want and will never be a part of society, i know because we also have some of those here and even our gipsys don't like them. They only beg and commit crimes, nothing else and nothing more. They are here ilegally and are constantly deported once they are caught.
So to all you USA folk out here understand that this is not based on color of a skin, but on habits and the lack of social skillz. There are so many historys about gipsys that they aren't even funny. There will never be a Malcom X or a Martin Luther King for the Gipsys because they don't think they need to change or that we need to get along.. They just take what they want and fuck the rest, if you mess with one you mess with everyone and you will probably get hurt.
If you had a KKK against gipsys, the gipsys would get them, kill them and use their KKK robes has blankets to sleep on the floor!
Personally i'm hoping for a Portuguese gipsy integration in our society, i don't hate them and overall no one suffers that much because of the new housing rules etc.. The situation is more peacefull then some years ago and i hope it improves.
On September 28 2011 18:39 Nikon wrote: How is this thread developing so strong in the direction of gypsy minority problem/racism against them? It's not what the riots were about at all... it's like people outside of Bulgaria don't understand the happenings at all, even after they've been spelled out for them. I give up.
well, i have nothing but solidarity to every bulgarian friend. i think every eastern euro country face the same problem to some degree, and we have to be vocal about it, to make outsiders understand the likes of czar kiro arent the ones who victimized by racism and hate. all i can hope these protest will bring the issue to the worlds eyes, how disgraceful and corrupt the goverments are, but also its important to avoid the hate-crime issues which is the first thing to show up everytime when gypsys involved in something.
There are no violent protests. Apart from the first one, in which only one of the gypsy families living in Katunitsa was targetted. Everything else is provocateurs planted in peaceful protests to create tension that the parties can ride in the upcoming - less than a month away - elections. Let's forget about the fact that first death was orchestrated, seeing as how the burnt down house was stripped of most valuable (in the pictures, there are stands for the outer parts of AC units that are missing, etc.) things way before shit went down. And the main culprit is being guarded in a 5 star hotel.
But apparently, no one cares about that, all that is important is that I'm a racist bigot that hates gypsies. At least that's my impression from reading this thread.
the news now hitted hungarys biggest news portal. you can read the context yourself, its very disappointing. on the international level, it seems there is already a racist case being formed victimizing the overlords.
Pseudo-journalism. That whole article is bollocks.
really? would have never thought =)))) pseudo-journalism or not, the people only hear about the thing through this article, will form their opinion based on that, this is why it is important to be vocal about the problems on an individual level, so those others who inclined to thinking instead of just letting others tell them to what to think will have other information to form their opinion.
Or people should just stop believing everything they read. Btw, it's not an anti-gypsy problem now, but it may turn into one. Let me tell you a background story ... (actually, I've said it several times in this thread, but most people wouldn't read the thread and would just sprinkle ignorance anyways) There are political parties, with great power here. There's also a million of illiterate gypsies. If a party can present itself as one protecting the minorities, and go through all the gypsy ghetto-s saying that Bulgarians want genocide on them, and the only way to save themselves is to vote for them, they are sure to have ~20% of the political power for the next four years, doing their own corrupt stuff. Meanwhile. there's a football club fanclub (Sofia-Zapad) that is doing all sorts of illegal stuff, they are part of the drug mafia, etc. So, these same guys have been seen several times provoking racism in otherwise peaceful protests, so that the media could talk about racism, thus making people look away from the real reason that the peaceful people there were protesting about (usually corruption) and think that everyone there is a sick nazi psycho. This on one side makes sure everyone forgets the reason for the protest, and also makes it look that there's racial hatred around, when there is none. These guys are obviously paid by a particular political party to do that, just saying if you couldn't catch the logic already. This destroys the image of the average Bulgarian, but I'm not sure there's anything that the average Bulgarian can do about it ...
On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote: Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments.
Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story.
And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian.
There is no illegal border crossing anymore dude. France has no limitations on bulgarians/romanians going there for various purposes. Get a grip. They just got deported for being gypsies. At the current time there simply is no solution outside of forging each and every family to let their children get an education. And there just isn't enough police to force all of them.
Romania and Bulgaria are not members of the Schengen Agreement. Just sayin'
Well in a few months maybe in a year at max when the two countries become members of the agreement, what are the other countries gonna do when the gypsies finally have the legal rights to go wherever the fuck in Europe they want and start stealing/prostituting/drug-dealing/murdering/raping and all the other crimes they commit in our countries, what are the western governments gonna do then? You don't think that people won't start protests in your countries?
Was just correcting this guy. Idk what will happen but i wouldn't be surprised if the negociations are delayed.
Did you read your link ? ( I didn't provide one btw ).
Whilst some of the formulations remain complex, the basic premise of the directive is simple: EEA citizens have the right of free movement and residence across the European Economic Area, as long as they are not an undue burden on the country of residence and have comprehensive health insurance
...
To be fully covered by the European right of free movement, the EEA citizen needs to exercise one of the four treaty rights:
* working as an employee (this includes looking for work for a reasonable amount of time), * working as a self-employed person, * studying, * being self-sufficient or retired.
etc...
I guess that the Shengen Agreement is still needed for Bulgarian and Romanian who are not employed, self sufficient or studying ( i.e: gypsies ).
On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote: Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments.
Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story.
And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian.
There is no illegal border crossing anymore dude. France has no limitations on bulgarians/romanians going there for various purposes. Get a grip. They just got deported for being gypsies. At the current time there simply is no solution outside of forging each and every family to let their children get an education. And there just isn't enough police to force all of them.
Romania and Bulgaria are not members of the Schengen Agreement. Just sayin'
Well in a few months maybe in a year at max when the two countries become members of the agreement, what are the other countries gonna do when the gypsies finally have the legal rights to go wherever the fuck in Europe they want and start stealing/prostituting/drug-dealing/murdering/raping and all the other crimes they commit in our countries, what are the western governments gonna do then? You don't think that people won't start protests in your countries?
Was just correcting this guy. Idk what will happen but i wouldn't be surprised if the negociations are delayed.
Whilst some of the formulations remain complex, the basic premise of the directive is simple: EEA citizens have the right of free movement and residence across the European Economic Area, as long as they are not an undue burden on the country of residence and have comprehensive health insurance
...
To be fully covered by the European right of free movement, the EEA citizen needs to exercise one of the four treaty rights:
* working as an employee (this includes looking for work for a reasonable amount of time), * working as a self-employed person, * studying, * being self-sufficient or retired.
etc...
I guess that the Shengen Agreement is still needed for Bulgarian and Romanian who are not employed, self sufficient or studying ( i.e: gypsies ).
So.. now prove that any of them ain't "self-sufficient".
P.S. I can personally, from my point of view, approve that shell is absolutely right
On September 28 2011 18:39 Nikon wrote: How is this thread developing so strong in the direction of gypsy minority problem/racism against them? It's not what the riots were about at all... it's like people outside of Bulgaria don't understand the happenings at all, even after they've been spelled out for them. I give up.
well, i have nothing but solidarity to every bulgarian friend. i think every eastern euro country face the same problem to some degree, and we have to be vocal about it, to make outsiders understand the likes of czar kiro arent the ones who victimized by racism and hate. all i can hope these protest will bring the issue to the worlds eyes, how disgraceful and corrupt the goverments are, but also its important to avoid the hate-crime issues which is the first thing to show up everytime when gypsys involved in something.
There are no violent protests. Apart from the first one, in which only one of the gypsy families living in Katunitsa was targetted. Everything else is provocateurs planted in peaceful protests to create tension that the parties can ride in the upcoming - less than a month away - elections. Let's forget about the fact that first death was orchestrated, seeing as how the burnt down house was stripped of most valuable (in the pictures, there are stands for the outer parts of AC units that are missing, etc.) things way before shit went down. And the main culprit is being guarded in a 5 star hotel.
But apparently, no one cares about that, all that is important is that I'm a racist bigot that hates gypsies. At least that's my impression from reading this thread.
the news now hitted hungarys biggest news portal. you can read the context yourself, its very disappointing. on the international level, it seems there is already a racist case being formed victimizing the overlords.
Pseudo-journalism. That whole article is bollocks.
really? would have never thought =)))) pseudo-journalism or not, the people only hear about the thing through this article, will form their opinion based on that, this is why it is important to be vocal about the problems on an individual level, so those others who inclined to thinking instead of just letting others tell them to what to think will have other information to form their opinion.
Or people should just stop believing everything they read. Btw, it's not an anti-gypsy problem now, but it may turn into one. Let me tell you a background story ... (actually, I've said it several times in this thread, but most people wouldn't read the thread and would just sprinkle ignorance anyways) There are political parties, with great power here. There's also a million of illiterate gypsies. If a party can present itself as one protecting the minorities, and go through all the gypsy ghetto-s saying that Bulgarians want genocide on them, and the only way to save themselves is to vote for them, they are sure to have ~20% of the political power for the next four years, doing their own corrupt stuff. Meanwhile. there's a football club fanclub (Sofia-Zapad) that is doing all sorts of illegal stuff, they are part of the drug mafia, etc. So, these same guys have been seen several times provoking racism in otherwise peaceful protests, so that the media could talk about racism, thus making people look away from the real reason that the peaceful people there were protesting about (usually corruption) and think that everyone there is a sick nazi psycho. This on one side makes sure everyone forgets the reason for the protest, and also makes it look that there's racial hatred around, when there is none. These guys are obviously paid by a particular political party to do that, just saying if you couldn't catch the logic already. This destroys the image of the average Bulgarian, but I'm not sure there's anything that the average Bulgarian can do about it ...
yes i agree, and btw the same things going on here. now imagine, in hungary, propaganda has its limitations since people living in the same condition, facing the same problems and just in general bulgaria not so far to not know about the happenings there from other source. now for western europen news, or even better for american ones these limitations doesnt exist. they twist the facts the way they want =(
On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote: Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments.
Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story.
And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian.
There is no illegal border crossing anymore dude. France has no limitations on bulgarians/romanians going there for various purposes. Get a grip. They just got deported for being gypsies. At the current time there simply is no solution outside of forging each and every family to let their children get an education. And there just isn't enough police to force all of them.
Romania and Bulgaria are not members of the Schengen Agreement. Just sayin'
Well in a few months maybe in a year at max when the two countries become members of the agreement, what are the other countries gonna do when the gypsies finally have the legal rights to go wherever the fuck in Europe they want and start stealing/prostituting/drug-dealing/murdering/raping and all the other crimes they commit in our countries, what are the western governments gonna do then? You don't think that people won't start protests in your countries?
Was just correcting this guy. Idk what will happen but i wouldn't be surprised if the negociations are delayed.
Whilst some of the formulations remain complex, the basic premise of the directive is simple: EEA citizens have the right of free movement and residence across the European Economic Area, as long as they are not an undue burden on the country of residence and have comprehensive health insurance
...
To be fully covered by the European right of free movement, the EEA citizen needs to exercise one of the four treaty rights:
* working as an employee (this includes looking for work for a reasonable amount of time), * working as a self-employed person, * studying, * being self-sufficient or retired.
etc...
I guess that the Shengen Agreement is still needed for Bulgarian and Romanian who are not employed, self sufficient or studying ( i.e: gypsies ).
I bet that they can be pretty self sufficient when they start stealing your railroad tracks and lines, when they start robbing your home or just mug you on the street, or by prostituting themselves, or by dealing drugs. Sounds like they can sustain themselves pretty well don't you think?
On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote: Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments.
Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story.
And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian.
There is no illegal border crossing anymore dude. France has no limitations on bulgarians/romanians going there for various purposes. Get a grip. They just got deported for being gypsies. At the current time there simply is no solution outside of forging each and every family to let their children get an education. And there just isn't enough police to force all of them.
Romania and Bulgaria are not members of the Schengen Agreement. Just sayin'
Well in a few months maybe in a year at max when the two countries become members of the agreement, what are the other countries gonna do when the gypsies finally have the legal rights to go wherever the fuck in Europe they want and start stealing/prostituting/drug-dealing/murdering/raping and all the other crimes they commit in our countries, what are the western governments gonna do then? You don't think that people won't start protests in your countries?
Was just correcting this guy. Idk what will happen but i wouldn't be surprised if the negociations are delayed.
Did you read your link ? ( I didn't provide one btw ).
Whilst some of the formulations remain complex, the basic premise of the directive is simple: EEA citizens have the right of free movement and residence across the European Economic Area, as long as they are not an undue burden on the country of residence and have comprehensive health insurance
...
To be fully covered by the European right of free movement, the EEA citizen needs to exercise one of the four treaty rights:
* working as an employee (this includes looking for work for a reasonable amount of time), * working as a self-employed person, * studying, * being self-sufficient or retired.
etc...
I guess that the Shengen Agreement is still needed for Bulgarian and Romanian who are not employed, self sufficient or studying ( i.e: gypsies ).
So.. now prove that any of them ain't "self-sufficient".
I don't have to prove anything lol. Was just responding to the guy saying that expulsing people from Romania or Bulgaria is illegal.
On September 28 2011 19:32 Boblion wrote: I guess that the Shengen Agreement is still needed for Bulgarian and Romanian who are not employed, self sufficient or studying ( i.e: gypsies ).
I looked up the Schengen agreement on wiki and forgot that it wasn't you who directed me to it.
Funny that you bolded the exact part that I bolded when I quoted that article a few pages ago. But those limitations are not for crossing borders but rather for permanent residency status in states of which you are not a citizen.
edit: Those among the Gypsy that steal seem to make a sizable amount of money off it. Why do their slums still look like the 3rd world slums?
16 months of jail for stealing jewelry in amount of 52.000 GBP. It's a prosperous business man, considering that's more than the average englishman would make in that timeframe
Let me share a story here... My aunt was walking on the street and she noticed really young and small "gipsy" girl sneaking into her purse (probably like 8 years old). So she started yelling at her to get the fuck away from her stuff. Then she just saw the girl walking to her mother and the mother was really angry at her because she didn't manage to steal anything. I have never seen and can't imagine "white citizens" doing this crap. Also there is countless of stories from my friends who were mugged by 5 or more gipsys with knifes. It is quite a common thing in Prague..unfortunately.
I am astonished how little most of the US/Canada citizens here think they understand the problem and why while it IS racist it's nothing like the racism you have.
The current problem is about an organized crime boss being untouchable for years and years because he can make his minions vote for any politic for something like 5 euro per person (the actual voter get about 1-2 euro). And those people are used last 20 years by any party. So this crime boss (well actually some of his people) killed 19 year boy who was trying to voice that they are criminals. And the riots actually started after said crime boss went on TV saying that if anyone else want to accuse him the same fate will follow.
I just wish to hear how this will be normal to happen in USA for example if said crime boss was black?
The bigger portion of this topic is about racism against gypsies in Bulgaria. First I will just state some facts: 1. It's norm for gypsy girls to marry at 12 and start having babies as soon as they can without stopping for as long as they can. Why is that? Here in Bulgaria for every child you get some money (i guess like in most countries) and if you have more children you get more money for every child you have untill it reach 18 years. So basically you get about 100 euro per month per child for 18 years. It does not matter if you have your own. I guess you can make the math by yourself? While your mother gets money for you, you get money for your own child....
And for reference minimal wage here is 120 euro.
2. There are countless programs that offer free education and food for gypsy children. The government even pay them to send their children to school. What happens? As soon the money are in their hand children stop attending school and start stealing/begging/drug dealing... And this goes on every year.
Those are some of the problems in big cities.
I will give some examples what happens in villages or small towns:
A mob of gypsies enters someones land. They take everything and when the person try to resist they beat him. After a few of those in one village old man (he is like 70 years old) shoot and killed the gypsy teenager who was stealing his sheep. This man was sued for murder because the boy was "returning" the sheep that was fled... In another incident an old man was killed by gypsy teenager who was stealing from his yard. The boy was found and released because he was self defending for the old man inside the old man's yard....
And the list goes on and on...
So you will ask how can this problem be fixed? It's easy. It was done by the communists. What they do was basically that: you are gypsy and believe you should be able to do whatever you want? FUCK YOU! YOU ARE COMMUNIST NOW AND WILL DO WHAT THE PARTY SAY!
Is it the right thing to do with people? Hell no. Is it the only working solution known so far for gypsy? Hell yes.
P.S. And something else i forgot to mention. Every Bulgarian citizen should pay for electricity/water/public transport BUT the gypsy does not. Why? Because when the companies try to stop water/electricity somewhere mobs of gypsies gather in basically every major city, some gypsy leaders start chanting that they are being looked like second hand people and the government makes exeption and let them have whatever was stopped being promissed that they will pay "later".
So excuse me for being racist but when i am treated like an idiot that will pay everything for someone and i can't say no i will hate him.
On September 27 2011 21:26 aTnClouD wrote: tbh the only way of dealing with the gypsies problem is becoming a terrorist and kill as many as you can. if you drive them out of your country they will inevitably plague another place and it's a culture that is not really fit for living along with any other.
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Please dont kill michael caine he is my favorite actor!
On September 28 2011 20:06 Crassulacean wrote: I thought europe was better than america until i read the posts here! Fucking bigots some of you are
On September 28 2011 20:10 Keldrath wrote: saying you dont like their culture and stuff is fine, but when you use blanket statements like all gypsies are bad is when you become a racist biggot.
And your contribution for the thread is ... ??????
I usually hide the general forum in my browser, because it's useless to waste nerves because of people here being absolutely retarded scrubs. This thread is different, I want to make sure at least some of the people on TL realize that what's happening in Bulgaria is by no means racist. What's happening in this thread is also not racist for more than ten pages now. Why are none of these posts moderated, while if I react to them in anger (which is kind of reasonable when posting rational posts results in no-one reading them and everyone giving ignorant useless opinion anyways) I'd get banned for it ??????
On September 28 2011 20:10 Keldrath wrote: saying you dont like their culture and stuff is fine, but when you use blanket statements like all gypsies are bad is when you become a racist biggot.
No because it's not the race being hated on, it's a culture. Disliking a cultural trait that is shared by a racial group is not racism.
On September 28 2011 20:10 Keldrath wrote: saying you dont like their culture and stuff is fine, but when you use blanket statements like all gypsies are bad is when you become a racist biggot.
I'm sure there are people in the mob that are nice people as well, that doesn't stop people from calling them criminals.
On September 28 2011 10:14 StarBrift wrote: Can people actually stop reffering to them as "Gypsies"? It's ridiculously racist and not in the slightest even remotely close to what they call themselves / want to be called. Do you people actually use the N word for black people aswell so freely and without thought?
The Romani has a bad rep in sweden aswell but we don't use derogatory names to demean them even if they sometimes to act outside the law (allthough not often so in sweden admittably).
The problem with the logic from east europeans here on the board is that you are blaming one minority group for the huge failure of your entire societal system. As many of you allready mentioned the corruption in the government is a huge problem and without that these problems wouldn't exist in the first place. Granted there are corruption to certain degrees in every government but clearly more so in certain countries and the Balkan countries / the rest of eastern europe does not have a good track record when it comes to democracy.
So how about yopu start focusing on the real problem and support protests against the governments instead of riots against a minority of people that has no influence over the countries fate anyway. You shouldn't be half as mad at criminal Romani as you should be at the goverment that lets it happen.
Just please, stop calling people Gypsies. It's incredibly racist and clearly pointless. It only breeds more hatred.
Oh, and your great country was very successful, it deported them back where they came from. GJ, now where would the rest of us deport them?
exactly. some countries have deported them back to balkans and no one made any problem regarding that and if any balkan country or any eastern european country tries to deport them to somewhere else then it would have been a major problem.
In Bulgaria, a small example how communist mafia>government>police>gypsie relation can go; you own a car and after some time it gets stolen. oh yes every car in bulgaria got stolen atleast once. you have had a government forced insurance that u have to pay from time to time to the government which gives you the licence aswell, which makes your car registrated. anyway when your car is stolen, you are pretty sure that it is stolen by gypsies. if you go to the police and report it, they will tell you it will take some time to find it if we can even. your government pays the insurance where that money goes to the police because as soon as you receive the government insurance, police appears with your car lol. same with car example, many stolen goods are actually tracked and controlled by the police which are partners in crime with gypsies. but they cant do anything because government always acts the blind-deaf monkey thanks to the mafia behind it. you cant believe how eastern europe is corrupt as hell.
In Turkey, when todays liberal-conservative government got elected at 2002, they have offered gypsies one last chance to live like any other citizen, %99 of the gypsies yet again continued to do what they do. as a result, they have been deported to bulgaria/greece. goverment demolished their trash huts and built proper housing there and now the %1 of the remaining is living there, paying taxes and doing no crime at all.
In Serbia, current power in the government is the democratic party. Irony is that them being democrats, there is no proper democratic constitution. there are some good articles within regarding human rights but still there are other ridiculous articles such as the president is chief of the army at the same time. anyway serbia has been accepting many bulgarians to the country recently, any bulgarians can confirm that aswell here and all the reason was how those bulgarians are fleeing to serbia because of bulgarian mega corrupt government. serbian government is corrupt aswell but atleast there is no major gypsie leaders who can control lots of power but still the gypsies in serbia are living the same way as any other in the region. but if serbia dont deport gypsies out it is very soon that serbia will get to the same level as bulgarians and romanians regarding the gypsie issue, amount of problems are very close to it anyway.
while In Croatia, government have followed a similar way such as some western european countries and turkey regarding gypsies and deported big amount of them to neighbours where they believe they came from and having tensions with the living minorty. not so much ago the croat government wanted to burn down, yes literally burn down with torches, their trash village because they are really not wanted there.
i can go in more details in all eastern european countries regarding what both sides and especially governments are doing regarding the issue. yet again i say, it is not racism. it is pure nationalism since gypsies refuse to accept your nationality and refuse your government, refuse the countries and the borders in the whole eastern europe. comparing gypsies to the blacks in america is also very stupid. no one is putting gypsies to slavery in Europe. they have same rights as the people who they live with. hell even have extra rights because of being minorities.
Europeans in this thread are posting with huge hate because they want justice, not because they hate their dark brown skin and dark hair. They want justice that they dont want intruders and criminals to live with double standarts while they have to pay taxes so the money goes to these gypsies kids, local people have to tolerate them because they are humans regardless of how big crimes they are doing on the society. they want justice because they dont want their kids or even themselves to be pulled in by force to the prostitution, armed robberies and assaults, drug sellers and organ mafias. they want justice because where they live the local companies like from groceries, bars to small government funded services like bus transportation and many more stuff that is suffering from the gypsies barbaric way of living but still tolerating their crimes and asking a stagnant government to sort this issue with patiently for years.
so people who are shitting about racism, just zip it and let the europeans ask for their justice. because they rightfully deserve it to the every drop.
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