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Interestingly enough I talked about gypsies with my mother earlier today. She is a teacher and have some gypsie children in school from time to time. They dont stay in the same school for more than a year tops and sometimes they just dissapear. A few days ago a boy didnt come to school, so they asked him when he came back why he was absent and he said "my mom was in jail the whole day". Just like the most natural thing in the world.
Apparently she was caught stealing stuff from a locked dumpster and her argument was "I have six kids to support and I cant really do that on welfare".
As I said earlier the kids move from school to school, then just "dissapear" and they barely speak the language in the first place. No wonder why they dont turn out as model citizens when they grow up. They simply dont stand a chance and history just repeats it self when they raise their kids the same way that they were raised. Just so sad honestly.
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On September 28 2011 11:45 probob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:33 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 11:28 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 11:06 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 10:57 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 10:41 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 10:39 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 10:34 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 09:06 Nakata wrote:You should see this. http://vbox7.com/play:72f9da41This is a block that given to them to live. In 7-8 years they stripped it from windows to put the wood in the heater, and the metal to be sold for scrap. Integrate that. And you Americans have no idea about gypsies. Just saying that in America they do the same thing for there impoverished minorities like every day of the week. And the results are very similar. And they don't post racist garbage on TL about it. Just saying. Ive never heard of such a thing in america. What minorities are you talking about? Do you have a source for me like the other guy ? All of them. Every day. All the time. Takes google and about 5 seconds to look for humanitarian projects in the United States and federal housing. We have 3 federal housing area in my town alone and they all look like shit when they used to look awesome. Sell for scrap? Sounds like an upgrade over the silly defacing and needless destruction these places have. Well federal housing just means housing payed by the government, we have that here too. Its just on another level, gypsies are doing it favela style they dont even have housing just some cardboards put together in the middle inbetween two train stations. Have you ever seen a gypsy in your life? Im very very far from being racist, I came to this country as an immigrant myself, my girlfriend came here as a fugitive. I had people telling me and my gf that their jacket is worth more than her whole country. Thats racism right there. Calling out a group of people that leeches off our welfare state so audaciously is not. Federal housing paid by the government is primarily directed at minorities. Not just anyone can get into them. But we do have a LOT of them so even white people can get into them pretty often as long as they are indeed quite poor and in need of said housing. That being said, I don't know how to answer your question of have I seen what you are calling a "gypsy." The very word is sort of not accepted by the Romani that I have come across in my own country (good encounters overall). So I assume you are talking about the Romani that reside in the areas of eastern europe in question. In which case no. But does it really matter? I've come across the poor. Where Im from its sort of not accepted to bullshit people into donating money for deaf people or forcing your kids to stay out of school and sell drugs instead. I think we dont come to an agreement here, lets just face it, I have no idea how things go in the US and you dont know nothing about europe so lets just agree to disagree. You dont get what im saying and frankly I dont get where you are going besides you love everyone and its wrong to call them gypsies, even though you never met one of the sort we talk about in this thread. There is even a dude from the US one page back who said he travelled to berlin for 2 (!) days and had to deal with harassment. Forcing kids to stay out of school and sell drugs instead. Oh yeah we have that in the US lol. I guess we do a really good job of covering all that up. Quite frankly we have the same rhetoric with immigrants from Mexico and so on. I guess we're no better but if I said something like + Show Spoiler + all spics need to be killed in riots like a certain someone on the front page. Im sure that would be the fastest ticket to a perm ban imaginable. Im really not responsible for what ClouD said on the first page, neither do I agree with it. I never said anything of this sort. As i said in my other post I am against racism very much and I think those comments made are childish and wrong. BUT its not rhetoric I use to discriminate them in any form, its the truth, I see it every goddamn day when I use the subway here in Berlin and literally everybody knows that the teenagers sell hard drugs on the ride, pls read my first post which was unrelated to yours. How is lying about it, only because its politically correct, doing anyone anything good? I dont think you can compare it to the mexicans in america, I mean they are huge in number doing jobs ranging from janitor to ceo. For every mexican involved in the drugwar there are a lot more doing normal jobs. In the romani community ,like others have said in this thread it is a great percentage of people involved in this activity.
Yeah ok. I guess I can jive with most of that. Still its important to recognize the reason why they do what they do. It works! If it stopped working, I bet something would happen.
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On September 28 2011 11:52 Eatme wrote:
Interestingly enough I talked about gypsies with my mother earlier today. She is a teacher and have some gypsie children in school from time to time. They dont stay in the same school for more than a year tops and sometimes they just dissapear. A few days ago a boy didnt come to school, so they asked him when he came back why he was absent and he said "my mom was in jail the whole day". Just like the most natural thing in the world.
Apparently she was caught stealing stuff from a locked dumpster and her argument was "I have six kids to support and I cant really do that on welfare".
As I said earlier the kids move from school to school, then just "dissapear" and they barely speak the language in the first place. No wonder why they dont turn out as model citizens when they grow up. They simply dont stand a chance and history just repeats it self when they raise their kids the same way that they were raised. Just so sad honestly.
Thats pretty much the root of the problem right there. Nobody is saying that they are an inferior race but the crazy "you're a nazi for saying that" people always turn things around because they are so narrow minded.
At the same time you have to consider that the only solution is to take children forcefully away from their parents so that this wont happen anymore which is in itself a "nazi" solution.
At the same time you have to consider that you simply cannot take so many children into care centers because they are hundred of thousands.
Also, all their parents will try to teach them to commit crimes very young because they KNOW their children cannot be sent to prison even if they get caught; also they will have anywhere from 5 to 15 children easily because they view it as a source of income; either welfare of sending the children on the streets of western europe to steal or beg.
Can anyone here find a "non-nazi" solution that doesn't involve for example, taking 1 million small children away from their parents ? Well can you ?
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Ok, discodancer, you are implying what we did was based on racism and prejudices. How would you handle it?
(i'm the guy with the story that you retold)
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On September 28 2011 11:44 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:34 StarBrift wrote:On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 11:17 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:08 Gremlin wrote:
Ok... I'll tell u a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise.
First of all i don't even know where exactly Katunica is. I live in southern Sofia, Borovo namely, which most ppl say is another world existing outside Sofia and even Bulgaria. It's an upper-middle class district as the US guys would say. We don't have gypsies here, we don't have riots and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work.
So here comes the story. Few months ago a gypsy family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole clan, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge fires, burning tires and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning tires at least. The answer was: "Make me!". In a month the situation got quite arduous, they were forming a real "geto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them.
Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved.
I didn't hate these gypsies, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem. Okay now I tell You a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise. So I live in this upper-middle class district as us US guys often say. We don't have blacks here, we don't have crime and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work. So here comes the story. Few months ago an african family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole tribe, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge bbqs, cooking cows and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning shit at least. The answer was: "Bitch please.". In a month the situation got quite serious, they were forming a real "ghetto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them. Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved. I didn't hate these n..rs, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem. Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here. And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments. ' Actually you're one one that is disregarding peoples arguments. He's citing his own experience in a similar matters so that blockheads like you who see what they want to see can get some distance and actually think about it. People aren't telling you or your countrymen that you are wrong in critisizing the romani culture. People aren't telling you that the situation isn't fucked up. They are telling you that you are acting in an unreasonable way and you are judging other people based on where they come from. As you did to me you just assume that because I don't live in romania I have no insight in the matter and then you cite your puny 25 whatever years on this earth of "life experience with gipsies" as if your own personal experiences have any large scale relevance. You need to calm down and stop picking fights with everyone and take a look at the situation. Focus your time on trying to acomplish something within your own country instead of claiming everyone not from romania that has an opinion is retarded and has no idea of what they're talking about. I wrote a pretty mild response to your PM but after reading your subsequent posts its pretty clear that I needed to tell you in full what everyone is thinking. Right, well when your governments (western + nordic) stop deporting EU citizens and also stop QQing about the problem and they integrate these lovely immigrants into society THEN, you can take the moral high-ground with us eastern europeans. Ok ? Until them you're all nothing but hypocrites who do one thing and say another. Funny that western europe saw its first forceful deportations after 1945 within EU borders and with EU citizens no less and you still take the moral highground. Who has what to fix in their country ?
Unlike you. I don't identify myself with millions of other people that I have no connection to. I don't represent sweden or swedish interests. I'm not a swedish politician. My "moral high ground" as you call it is just not accepting racism and lack of logic. I keep telling you that I have never claimed that I support any of the actions of the EU nations that have taken action here. But being from sweden you clump me up with 10 million other people who has no relation to me other than being born ont he same land mass. Just because you feel like part of a national being doesn't mean that everyone else does. Some of us actually doesn't take credit for the actions of other people that we have no relation to.
Maybe you need to stop beign so nationalistic and think more logically. Your country has a problem. You need to solve it. You don't solve it by being racist or discriminatory. You whining and telling anyone who isn't from eastern europe that they are uninformed idiots when its you that won't even listen to reason is actually just proves my point.
I've played you multiple times when you were streaming or not streaming on the ladder. Almost every time you have BMed / raged at me even though I have said nothing. It seems to me like you are much the same in real life. Unless you want to step up and have a real discussion about policy I suggest you stop attacking people here that try to get their viewpoint across.
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On September 28 2011 11:48 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:39 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:
Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments. Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story. And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian. See you're completely missinformed and have no idea about what has happened in Europe since you left. You see, Romania and Bulgaria are now EU member states which makes all of us EU citizens and gives us the right to legally move to any part of the EU we want without any immigration papers or even a god damn passport. Kind of like moving from Arizona to Texas; you can't really do that illegaly now can you ?
Yeah lets skip the part about my own experience with gypsies which you claimed I didn't have but it's okay, not like you use proper arguments anyways.
Here's the quote: The Roma are EU citizens, mostly from Romania or Bulgaria, but French law requires them to have a work permit and prove they have the means to support themselves if they intend to stay for more than three months. Basically they have the legal right to send them home. Which they did. Would have happened to Bulgarians if they decided to live in a camp not getting work permits.
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That story with the people moving into the home illegally and ruining the community makes sense to kick them out. If a white family tried to pull that shit in Canada they would be gone same with a black family asian, etc etc. This has nothing to do with race, come up with a decent argument and stop just pointing to blacks and screaming racism like it means anything... It's two entirely different situations that really cannot be compared.
I think just enforcing the law and forcing the kids to be in school is the only real solution... If you don't break the chain it will never end.
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On September 28 2011 12:01 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:52 Eatme wrote:
Interestingly enough I talked about gypsies with my mother earlier today. She is a teacher and have some gypsie children in school from time to time. They dont stay in the same school for more than a year tops and sometimes they just dissapear. A few days ago a boy didnt come to school, so they asked him when he came back why he was absent and he said "my mom was in jail the whole day". Just like the most natural thing in the world.
Apparently she was caught stealing stuff from a locked dumpster and her argument was "I have six kids to support and I cant really do that on welfare".
As I said earlier the kids move from school to school, then just "dissapear" and they barely speak the language in the first place. No wonder why they dont turn out as model citizens when they grow up. They simply dont stand a chance and history just repeats it self when they raise their kids the same way that they were raised. Just so sad honestly. Thats pretty much the root of the problem right there. Nobody is saying that they are an inferior race but the crazy "you're a nazi for saying that" people always turn things around because they are so narrow minded. At the same time you have to consider that the only solution is to take children forcefully away from their parents so that this wont happen anymore which is in itself a "nazi" solution. At the same time you have to consider that you simply cannot take so many children into care centers because they are hundred of thousands. Also, all their parents will try to teach them to commit crimes very young because they KNOW their children cannot be sent to prison even if they get caught; also they will have anywhere from 5 to 15 children easily because they view it as a source of income; either welfare of sending the children on the streets of western europe to steal or beg. Can anyone here find a "non-nazi" solution that doesn't involve for example, taking 1 million small children away from their parents ? Well can you ?
If they're teaching their children to break laws and such (and if the parents themselves are breaking laws and such), can't social services put them into foster care?
I guess that's exactly what you're saying, but social services already exist and are put in place to protect children from that sort of thing. Are you really claiming that 1 million of them are like that? Like do you have any statistics on this sort of thing?
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On September 28 2011 12:01 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:52 Eatme wrote:
Interestingly enough I talked about gypsies with my mother earlier today. She is a teacher and have some gypsie children in school from time to time. They dont stay in the same school for more than a year tops and sometimes they just dissapear. A few days ago a boy didnt come to school, so they asked him when he came back why he was absent and he said "my mom was in jail the whole day". Just like the most natural thing in the world.
Apparently she was caught stealing stuff from a locked dumpster and her argument was "I have six kids to support and I cant really do that on welfare".
As I said earlier the kids move from school to school, then just "dissapear" and they barely speak the language in the first place. No wonder why they dont turn out as model citizens when they grow up. They simply dont stand a chance and history just repeats it self when they raise their kids the same way that they were raised. Just so sad honestly. Thats pretty much the root of the problem right there. Nobody is saying that they are an inferior race but the crazy "you're a nazi for saying that" people always turn things around because they are so narrow minded. At the same time you have to consider that the only solution is to take children forcefully away from their parents so that this wont happen anymore which is in itself a "nazi" solution. At the same time you have to consider that you simply cannot take so many children into care centers because they are hundred of thousands. Also, all their parents will try to teach them to commit crimes very young because they KNOW their children cannot be sent to prison even if they get caught; also they will have anywhere from 5 to 15 children easily because they view it as a source of income; either welfare of sending the children on the streets of western europe to steal or beg. Can anyone here find a "non-nazi" solution that doesn't involve for example, taking 1 million small children away from their parents ? Well can you ?
You are racist against gypsies, there's no two ways about it. I've heard many people make similar, in fact, nearly exactly the same statements regarding African Americans or Hispanics where I live in in Los Angeles and yet I am not yelling for them to be ousted even though I lived in the worst of it (South Central LA) for a long time.
But yeah, anyone who tries to present a similar example is wrong.
Anyone who has real experience with gypsies that aren't negative or at least aren't nearly as negative percentage wise as you suggest is wrong
Anyone pointing out how blatantly discriminatory you are toward a group of people you don't even know a majority of is wrong.
Umm, okay?
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On September 28 2011 12:03 discodancer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:48 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 11:39 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:
Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments. Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story. And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian. See you're completely missinformed and have no idea about what has happened in Europe since you left. You see, Romania and Bulgaria are now EU member states which makes all of us EU citizens and gives us the right to legally move to any part of the EU we want without any immigration papers or even a god damn passport. Kind of like moving from Arizona to Texas; you can't really do that illegaly now can you ? Yeah lets skip the part about my own experience with gypsies which you claimed I didn't have but it's okay, not like you use proper arguments anyways. Here's the quote: The Roma are EU citizens, mostly from Romania or Bulgaria, but French law requires them to have a work permit and prove they have the means to support themselves if they intend to stay for more than three months. Basically they have the legal right to send them home. Which they did. Would have happened to Bulgarians if they decided to live in a camp not getting work permits.
You're talking to someone who went to law school here friend.
That particular French law applies to immigrants and as you just said they are not immigrants they are EU citizens. At the same time EU law gives all its citizens the right to move to any member state and no national law can superseed EU law; so in case of a conflict EU law prevails.
France can no more forcefully move a homeless guy to another member state than Arizona can move all its homeless to New Jersey.
Which is why in the end they had to resort to paying the gipsies for leaving the country which meant they paid for airplane ticket + 300euro each so they would "agree" to go when they realized they couldn't do it legally without a severe penalty from the European Court of Justice.
Now please, stop lecturing me about my own continent ok ?
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On September 28 2011 12:07 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:01 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 11:52 Eatme wrote:
Interestingly enough I talked about gypsies with my mother earlier today. She is a teacher and have some gypsie children in school from time to time. They dont stay in the same school for more than a year tops and sometimes they just dissapear. A few days ago a boy didnt come to school, so they asked him when he came back why he was absent and he said "my mom was in jail the whole day". Just like the most natural thing in the world.
Apparently she was caught stealing stuff from a locked dumpster and her argument was "I have six kids to support and I cant really do that on welfare".
As I said earlier the kids move from school to school, then just "dissapear" and they barely speak the language in the first place. No wonder why they dont turn out as model citizens when they grow up. They simply dont stand a chance and history just repeats it self when they raise their kids the same way that they were raised. Just so sad honestly. Thats pretty much the root of the problem right there. Nobody is saying that they are an inferior race but the crazy "you're a nazi for saying that" people always turn things around because they are so narrow minded. At the same time you have to consider that the only solution is to take children forcefully away from their parents so that this wont happen anymore which is in itself a "nazi" solution. At the same time you have to consider that you simply cannot take so many children into care centers because they are hundred of thousands. Also, all their parents will try to teach them to commit crimes very young because they KNOW their children cannot be sent to prison even if they get caught; also they will have anywhere from 5 to 15 children easily because they view it as a source of income; either welfare of sending the children on the streets of western europe to steal or beg. Can anyone here find a "non-nazi" solution that doesn't involve for example, taking 1 million small children away from their parents ? Well can you ? You are racist against gypsies, there's no two ways about it. I've heard many people make similar, in fact, nearly exactly the same statements regarding African Americans or Hispanics where I live in in Los Angeles and yet I am not yelling for them to be ousted even though I lived in the worst of it (South Central LA) for a long time. But yeah, anyone who tries to present a similar example is wrong. Anyone who has real experience with gypsies that aren't negative or at least aren't nearly as negative percentage wise as you suggest is wrong Anyone pointing out how blatantly discriminatory you are toward a group of people you don't even know a majority of is wrong. Umm, okay?
Yes sir. Mr American Sir. You seem to have a lot of opinions. Can you by any chance point out the following countries on a map without opening wikipedia: Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia, Hungary, Ukrain, Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Macedonia?
Its very easy to comment on an issue when you're miles away and have no involvment whatsoever. I'm just gonna stop posting now, its 6 am and im tired and bored of talking to people like you.
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On September 28 2011 11:39 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:26 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 11:17 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:08 Gremlin wrote:
Ok... I'll tell u a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise.
First of all i don't even know where exactly Katunica is. I live in southern Sofia, Borovo namely, which most ppl say is another world existing outside Sofia and even Bulgaria. It's an upper-middle class district as the US guys would say. We don't have gypsies here, we don't have riots and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work.
So here comes the story. Few months ago a gypsy family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole clan, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge fires, burning tires and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning tires at least. The answer was: "Make me!". In a month the situation got quite arduous, they were forming a real "geto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them.
Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved.
I didn't hate these gypsies, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem. Okay now I tell You a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise. So I live in this upper-middle class district as us US guys often say. We don't have blacks here, we don't have crime and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work. So here comes the story. Few months ago an african family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole tribe, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge bbqs, cooking cows and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning shit at least. The answer was: "Bitch please.". In a month the situation got quite serious, they were forming a real "ghetto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them. Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved. I didn't hate these n..rs, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here. Ok well all of that I completely agree with pretty much 100 percent. I think this topic took a REAL bad turn when Cloud took the dump of his life all over it. I forgot to add that French / Dutch / British / Italian and Spanish gorvenments have also been helpless in solving the problem. In fact the French government DEPORTED gipsies back to Romania / Bulgaria by airplane instead of "integrating them into society".
Dunno if airplanes come off as fancy to you, but that's how you deport people.. You don't exactly put them at the closest border and hope they don't come back. Deportation is legio when illegal immigrants are considered not having enough reason to flee their homeland, as it's not illegal to deport economic immigrants in contrast to polotic ones.
About the France example.
The deportations have been called a disgrace by the EU, and it's been said that legal action will be taken against France. The camps were indeed illegal though.
Personally I think that all the hate the romanis have recieved the 700 years or so have shaped them somewhat to be more aggressive towards society.
The enslavement of Africans went on for 200 years or so, whereas the enslavement of Romas went on for more than three times that, and yet there was basically no attempt of apologizing.
To me it's fucking disgusting that some (and I literally feel filthy for living on the same continent as these people) seem to see it fit that romanis are victims of further prosecution.
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On September 28 2011 12:19 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:07 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:01 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 11:52 Eatme wrote:
Interestingly enough I talked about gypsies with my mother earlier today. She is a teacher and have some gypsie children in school from time to time. They dont stay in the same school for more than a year tops and sometimes they just dissapear. A few days ago a boy didnt come to school, so they asked him when he came back why he was absent and he said "my mom was in jail the whole day". Just like the most natural thing in the world.
Apparently she was caught stealing stuff from a locked dumpster and her argument was "I have six kids to support and I cant really do that on welfare".
As I said earlier the kids move from school to school, then just "dissapear" and they barely speak the language in the first place. No wonder why they dont turn out as model citizens when they grow up. They simply dont stand a chance and history just repeats it self when they raise their kids the same way that they were raised. Just so sad honestly. Thats pretty much the root of the problem right there. Nobody is saying that they are an inferior race but the crazy "you're a nazi for saying that" people always turn things around because they are so narrow minded. At the same time you have to consider that the only solution is to take children forcefully away from their parents so that this wont happen anymore which is in itself a "nazi" solution. At the same time you have to consider that you simply cannot take so many children into care centers because they are hundred of thousands. Also, all their parents will try to teach them to commit crimes very young because they KNOW their children cannot be sent to prison even if they get caught; also they will have anywhere from 5 to 15 children easily because they view it as a source of income; either welfare of sending the children on the streets of western europe to steal or beg. Can anyone here find a "non-nazi" solution that doesn't involve for example, taking 1 million small children away from their parents ? Well can you ? You are racist against gypsies, there's no two ways about it. I've heard many people make similar, in fact, nearly exactly the same statements regarding African Americans or Hispanics where I live in in Los Angeles and yet I am not yelling for them to be ousted even though I lived in the worst of it (South Central LA) for a long time. But yeah, anyone who tries to present a similar example is wrong. Anyone who has real experience with gypsies that aren't negative or at least aren't nearly as negative percentage wise as you suggest is wrong Anyone pointing out how blatantly discriminatory you are toward a group of people you don't even know a majority of is wrong. Umm, okay? Yes sir. Mr American Sir. You seem to have a lot of opinions. Can you by any chance point out the following countries on a map without opening wikipedia: Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia, Hungary, Ukrain, Belarus, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Macedonia? Its very easy to comment on an issue when you're miles away and have no involvment whatsoever. I'm just gonna stop posting now, its 6 am and im tired and bored of talking to people like you.
Can you tell me how many states are in the United States and what their capitals are? I wasn't aware knowledge of geography had anything to do with understanding social issues such as racism.
You seem to understand our situation so much though to say it's not the same, I guess you just know everything. How about you actually watch a documentary on gang culture in South Central LA and tell me you can't at the very least make loose comparisons. But I'm sure instead you'll talk down to me like I'm some inferior person, just like you do to the gypsies.
But I guess I'm just wrong because I'm a stupid, fat, ugly American living on welfare. I'll go back to enjoying my country music about how much America kicks ass now.
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wow.
Reading this thread made me sad. I thought with all the diversity in Europe racism and prejedice would be all but non existent.
It is disgusting seeing how racist people are towards gypsies. Makes me sad.
If this sort of stuff was being said about africans... Hell would be raised. It's unfortunate that the gypsies have no sort of group organization.
Thanks for ruining the perfect image of Europe.
Edit: It's despicable the way people are defending their prejudice beliefs.
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On September 28 2011 12:22 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:39 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 11:26 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 11:17 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:08 Gremlin wrote:
Ok... I'll tell u a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise.
First of all i don't even know where exactly Katunica is. I live in southern Sofia, Borovo namely, which most ppl say is another world existing outside Sofia and even Bulgaria. It's an upper-middle class district as the US guys would say. We don't have gypsies here, we don't have riots and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work.
So here comes the story. Few months ago a gypsy family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole clan, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge fires, burning tires and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning tires at least. The answer was: "Make me!". In a month the situation got quite arduous, they were forming a real "geto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them.
Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved.
I didn't hate these gypsies, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem. Okay now I tell You a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise. So I live in this upper-middle class district as us US guys often say. We don't have blacks here, we don't have crime and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work. So here comes the story. Few months ago an african family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole tribe, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge bbqs, cooking cows and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning shit at least. The answer was: "Bitch please.". In a month the situation got quite serious, they were forming a real "ghetto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them. Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved. I didn't hate these n..rs, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here. Ok well all of that I completely agree with pretty much 100 percent. I think this topic took a REAL bad turn when Cloud took the dump of his life all over it. I forgot to add that French / Dutch / British / Italian and Spanish gorvenments have also been helpless in solving the problem. In fact the French government DEPORTED gipsies back to Romania / Bulgaria by airplane instead of "integrating them into society". Dunno if airplanes come off as fancy to you, but that's how you deport people.. You don't exactly put them at the closest border and hope they don't come back. Deportation is legio when illegal immigrants are considered not having enough reason to flee their homeland, as it's not illegal to deport economic immigrants in contrast to polotic ones. About the France example. The deportations have been called a disgrace by the EU, and it's been said that legal action will be taken against France. The camps were indeed illegal though. Personally I think that all the hate the romanis have recieved the 700 years or so have shaped them somewhat to be more aggressive towards society. The enslavement of Africans went on for 200 years or so, whereas the enslavement of Romas went on for more than three times that, and yet there was basically no attempt of apologizing. To me it's fucking disgusting that some (and I literally feel filthy for living on the same continent as these people) seem to see it fit that romanis are victims of further prosecution.
If only you would at least take the time to read what i've written. And you should be ashamed of yourself that as a EU citizen and with Sweden a full member of the EU for so long you have no idea that EU citizens cannot be forcefully moved under ANY circumstances since they are not immigrants within EU borders.
The french ended up paying off all the gipsies with their own money so they will never be legal action against france and nor was it "illegal on paper". They would not be so dumb.
But the most i am surprised by your lack of knowledge on how the EU works. Sweden has been a member state for alot longer than Romania / Bulgaria; they really should teach you this stuff in schools.
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On September 28 2011 12:12 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:03 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:48 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 11:39 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:
Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments. Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story. And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian. See you're completely missinformed and have no idea about what has happened in Europe since you left. You see, Romania and Bulgaria are now EU member states which makes all of us EU citizens and gives us the right to legally move to any part of the EU we want without any immigration papers or even a god damn passport. Kind of like moving from Arizona to Texas; you can't really do that illegaly now can you ? Yeah lets skip the part about my own experience with gypsies which you claimed I didn't have but it's okay, not like you use proper arguments anyways. Here's the quote: The Roma are EU citizens, mostly from Romania or Bulgaria, but French law requires them to have a work permit and prove they have the means to support themselves if they intend to stay for more than three months. Basically they have the legal right to send them home. Which they did. Would have happened to Bulgarians if they decided to live in a camp not getting work permits. You're talking to someone who went to law school here friend. That particular French law applies to immigrants and as you just said they are not immigrants they are EU citizens. At the same time EU law gives all its citizens the right to move to any member state and no national law can superseed EU law; so in case of a conflict EU law prevails. France can no more forcefully move a homeless guy to another member state than Arizona can move all its homeless to New Jersey. Which is why in the end they had to resort to paying the gipsies for leaving the country which meant they paid for airplane ticket + 300euro each so they would "agree" to go when they realized they couldn't do it legally without a severe penalty from the European Court of Justice. Now please, stop lecturing me about my own continent ok ?
They may have paid them because it's cheaper than doing it in court but seems to me like they had every right (not to forcefully move them but to deny them residency):
EEA citizens have the right of free movement and residence across the European Economic Area, as long as they are not an undue burden on the country of residence and have comprehensive health insurance Source
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On September 28 2011 12:12 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:03 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:48 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 11:39 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:
Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments. Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story. And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian. See you're completely missinformed and have no idea about what has happened in Europe since you left. You see, Romania and Bulgaria are now EU member states which makes all of us EU citizens and gives us the right to legally move to any part of the EU we want without any immigration papers or even a god damn passport. Kind of like moving from Arizona to Texas; you can't really do that illegaly now can you ? Yeah lets skip the part about my own experience with gypsies which you claimed I didn't have but it's okay, not like you use proper arguments anyways. Here's the quote: The Roma are EU citizens, mostly from Romania or Bulgaria, but French law requires them to have a work permit and prove they have the means to support themselves if they intend to stay for more than three months. Basically they have the legal right to send them home. Which they did. Would have happened to Bulgarians if they decided to live in a camp not getting work permits. You're talking to someone who went to law school here friend. That particular French law applies to immigrants and as you just said they are not immigrants they are EU citizens. At the same time EU law gives all its citizens the right to move to any member state and no national law can superseed EU law; so in case of a conflict EU law prevails. France can no more forcefully move a homeless guy to another member state than Arizona can move all its homeless to New Jersey. Which is why in the end they had to resort to paying the gipsies for leaving the country which meant they paid for airplane ticket + 300euro each so they would "agree" to go when they realized they couldn't do it legally without a severe penalty from the European Court of Justice. Now please, stop lecturing me about my own continent ok ?
The European Commission said that under the 27-nation bloc's freedom of movement laws it was up to individual member states to decide whether to kick someone out of a country for committing a crime.
"It is really for the state to decide, so it is really a French issue and we cannot really go further than that," said a spokesman for European justice and rights commissioner Viviane Reding, who has warned against Roma discrimation.
Before an EU citizen can be expelled from a member state, authorities must examine whether a crime was committed and how the person is integrated into the host country, said the spokesman, Matthew Newman.
But, he added, "We're not here, as the European Commission, to judge on individual cases of Roma people. It's for each government, each authority to make those decisions."
French Interior Minister Brice Hortefeux said Wednesday 300 illegal "camps or squats" housing Gypsies and travellers would be shut down and foreign Gypsies breaking the law would undergo "virtually immediate" deportation to their countries of origins.
The idea that someone from Romania claims Europe to be 'his continent' is just amusing to me. You weren't even in the EU few years ago and honestly should not be. So yeah, I'll stop lecturing you about YOUR continent maybe because delusions of grandeur are nothing to mess with. Lol.
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On September 28 2011 12:30 Bigpet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:12 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:03 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:48 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 11:39 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:
Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments. Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story. And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian. See you're completely missinformed and have no idea about what has happened in Europe since you left. You see, Romania and Bulgaria are now EU member states which makes all of us EU citizens and gives us the right to legally move to any part of the EU we want without any immigration papers or even a god damn passport. Kind of like moving from Arizona to Texas; you can't really do that illegaly now can you ? Yeah lets skip the part about my own experience with gypsies which you claimed I didn't have but it's okay, not like you use proper arguments anyways. Here's the quote: The Roma are EU citizens, mostly from Romania or Bulgaria, but French law requires them to have a work permit and prove they have the means to support themselves if they intend to stay for more than three months. Basically they have the legal right to send them home. Which they did. Would have happened to Bulgarians if they decided to live in a camp not getting work permits. You're talking to someone who went to law school here friend. That particular French law applies to immigrants and as you just said they are not immigrants they are EU citizens. At the same time EU law gives all its citizens the right to move to any member state and no national law can superseed EU law; so in case of a conflict EU law prevails. France can no more forcefully move a homeless guy to another member state than Arizona can move all its homeless to New Jersey. Which is why in the end they had to resort to paying the gipsies for leaving the country which meant they paid for airplane ticket + 300euro each so they would "agree" to go when they realized they couldn't do it legally without a severe penalty from the European Court of Justice. Now please, stop lecturing me about my own continent ok ? They may have paid them because it's cheaper than doing it in court but seems to me like they had every right: Show nested quote +EEA citizens have the right of free movement and residence across the European Economic Area, as long as they are not an undue burden on the country of residence and have comprehensive health insurance Source
The real problem with the deportations lies with art. 27 (2) which protects individuals from unjustified measures taken on the grounds of public security. In explicit defiance of this provision, states have focused on the Roma as a specific ethnic group for deportation, not the conduct of individuals concerned.
The European community has been quick to respond in its condemnation of France’s latest round of deportations, with EU Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding likening the expulsions of the Roma to WW2. The Council of Europe and the EU have called for a high level joint session on October 20, 2010 to discuss the Roma in Europe. Despite this, it remains unclear that states will take effective steps to protect the mobility and equality rights of a minority group that regularly faces physical attacks, segregated schools, and, in some cases, forced sterilization. As seen elsewhere in this blog, insensitivity to Roma identity is rampant – from glib titles referencing negative cultural stereotypes to>> targeted Canadian policies to limit Roma immigration. << It remains to be seen whether the EU will take the upcoming session as an opportunity to expand the Free Movement Directive in encompassing a model of inter-state citizenship or indulge in the ongoing stigmatization of Europe’s most notorious ethnic minority.
1. It is not law when an ethnic group is being targeted by the government while other immigrants and non-citizens live on welfare; the article has never before been interpreted in such a way to deport any other ethnic group.
2. I think this is a good reply for the Canadian guy who took the moral highground ealier saying how this would NEVER happen in Canada because Canada is so super awesome. lol-ing so hard man, so hard.
3. This is my final post. Bye.
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The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, and particularly better than NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture.
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On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture.
Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all.
But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus.
Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind...
Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons.
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