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As someone who used to live in Eastern Europe and now lives in the US I'd like to make a statement - there is no major difference between hating on gypsies or hating on lower class blacks/mexicans in the US. Rhetoric is absolutely the same, they 'rob/steal/kill/don't like to work so they should be sent back to Africa/Mexico'. This is racism in its pure form and every hypocrite that finds gypsy bashing justified is inherently the same inbred trash as the one that claims blacks are inferior people. Lets draw a line here for once - you are either a racist piece of shit or not.
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On September 28 2011 10:57 probob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 10:41 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 10:39 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 10:34 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 09:06 Nakata wrote:You should see this. http://vbox7.com/play:72f9da41This is a block that given to them to live. In 7-8 years they stripped it from windows to put the wood in the heater, and the metal to be sold for scrap. Integrate that. And you Americans have no idea about gypsies. Just saying that in America they do the same thing for there impoverished minorities like every day of the week. And the results are very similar. And they don't post racist garbage on TL about it. Just saying. Ive never heard of such a thing in america. What minorities are you talking about? Do you have a source for me like the other guy ? All of them. Every day. All the time. Takes google and about 5 seconds to look for humanitarian projects in the United States and federal housing. We have 3 federal housing area in my town alone and they all look like shit when they used to look awesome. Sell for scrap? Sounds like an upgrade over the silly defacing and needless destruction these places have. Well federal housing just means housing payed by the government, we have that here too. Its just on another level, gypsies are doing it favela style they dont even have housing just some cardboards put together in the middle inbetween two train stations. Have you ever seen a gypsy in your life? Im very very far from being racist, I came to this country as an immigrant myself, my girlfriend came here as a fugitive. I had people telling me and my gf that their jacket is worth more than her whole country. Thats racism right there. Calling out a group of people that leeches off our welfare state so audaciously is not.
Federal housing paid by the government is primarily directed at minorities. Not just anyone can get into them. But we do have a LOT of them so even white people can get into them pretty often as long as they are indeed quite poor and in need of said housing.
That being said, I don't know how to answer your question of have I seen what you are calling a "gypsy." The very word is sort of not accepted by the Romani that I have come across in my own country (good encounters overall). So I assume you are talking about the Romani that reside in the areas of eastern europe in question. In which case no. But does it really matter? I've come across the poor.
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Ok... I'll tell u a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise.
First of all i don't even know where exactly Katunica is. I live in southern Sofia, Borovo namely, which most ppl say is another world existing outside Sofia and even Bulgaria. It's an upper-middle class district as the US guys would say. We don't have gypsies here, we don't have riots and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work.
So here comes the story. Few months ago a gypsy family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole clan, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge fires, burning tires and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning tires at least. The answer was: "Make me!". In a month the situation got quite arduous, they were forming a real "geto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them.
Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved.
I didn't hate these gypsies, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem.
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On September 28 2011 11:06 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 10:57 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 10:41 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 10:39 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 10:34 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 09:06 Nakata wrote:You should see this. http://vbox7.com/play:72f9da41This is a block that given to them to live. In 7-8 years they stripped it from windows to put the wood in the heater, and the metal to be sold for scrap. Integrate that. And you Americans have no idea about gypsies. Just saying that in America they do the same thing for there impoverished minorities like every day of the week. And the results are very similar. And they don't post racist garbage on TL about it. Just saying. Ive never heard of such a thing in america. What minorities are you talking about? Do you have a source for me like the other guy ? All of them. Every day. All the time. Takes google and about 5 seconds to look for humanitarian projects in the United States and federal housing. We have 3 federal housing area in my town alone and they all look like shit when they used to look awesome. Sell for scrap? Sounds like an upgrade over the silly defacing and needless destruction these places have. Well federal housing just means housing payed by the government, we have that here too. Its just on another level, gypsies are doing it favela style they dont even have housing just some cardboards put together in the middle inbetween two train stations. Have you ever seen a gypsy in your life? Im very very far from being racist, I came to this country as an immigrant myself, my girlfriend came here as a fugitive. I had people telling me and my gf that their jacket is worth more than her whole country. Thats racism right there. Calling out a group of people that leeches off our welfare state so audaciously is not. Federal housing paid by the government is primarily directed at minorities. Not just anyone can get into them. But we do have a LOT of them so even white people can get into them pretty often as long as they are indeed quite poor and in need of said housing. That being said, I don't know how to answer your question of have I seen what you are calling a "gypsy." The very word is sort of not accepted by the Romani that I have come across in my own country (good encounters overall). So I assume you are talking about the Romani that reside in the areas of eastern europe in question. In which case no. But does it really matter? I've come across the poor.
Read my post on page 17 plz.
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Even the US denied them citizenship based on their ethnicity at one point
We did the same to several other ethnic groups. Its very misleading to use this as evidence of anything having to do with the natural tendencies of gypsies..
We only let a handful of Romanians into our country at one point.. for one example.
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On September 28 2011 11:08 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:06 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 10:57 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 10:41 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 10:39 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 10:34 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 09:06 Nakata wrote:You should see this. http://vbox7.com/play:72f9da41This is a block that given to them to live. In 7-8 years they stripped it from windows to put the wood in the heater, and the metal to be sold for scrap. Integrate that. And you Americans have no idea about gypsies. Just saying that in America they do the same thing for there impoverished minorities like every day of the week. And the results are very similar. And they don't post racist garbage on TL about it. Just saying. Ive never heard of such a thing in america. What minorities are you talking about? Do you have a source for me like the other guy ? All of them. Every day. All the time. Takes google and about 5 seconds to look for humanitarian projects in the United States and federal housing. We have 3 federal housing area in my town alone and they all look like shit when they used to look awesome. Sell for scrap? Sounds like an upgrade over the silly defacing and needless destruction these places have. Well federal housing just means housing payed by the government, we have that here too. Its just on another level, gypsies are doing it favela style they dont even have housing just some cardboards put together in the middle inbetween two train stations. Have you ever seen a gypsy in your life? Im very very far from being racist, I came to this country as an immigrant myself, my girlfriend came here as a fugitive. I had people telling me and my gf that their jacket is worth more than her whole country. Thats racism right there. Calling out a group of people that leeches off our welfare state so audaciously is not. Federal housing paid by the government is primarily directed at minorities. Not just anyone can get into them. But we do have a LOT of them so even white people can get into them pretty often as long as they are indeed quite poor and in need of said housing. That being said, I don't know how to answer your question of have I seen what you are calling a "gypsy." The very word is sort of not accepted by the Romani that I have come across in my own country (good encounters overall). So I assume you are talking about the Romani that reside in the areas of eastern europe in question. In which case no. But does it really matter? I've come across the poor. Read my post on page 17 plz.
The origin and history of the people is extremely convoluted and prone to misinterpretation especially as the languages used by such people are very very strange. In short, Ill call them whatever they ask me to, or more expressly, Ill refrain from calling them by something they do not like.
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On September 28 2011 11:08 Gremlin wrote:
Ok... I'll tell u a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise.
First of all i don't even know where exactly Katunica is. I live in southern Sofia, Borovo namely, which most ppl say is another world existing outside Sofia and even Bulgaria. It's an upper-middle class district as the US guys would say. We don't have gypsies here, we don't have riots and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work.
So here comes the story. Few months ago a gypsy family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole clan, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge fires, burning tires and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning tires at least. The answer was: "Make me!". In a month the situation got quite arduous, they were forming a real "geto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them.
Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved.
I didn't hate these gypsies, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem.
Okay now I tell You a story.
It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise.
So I live in this upper-middle class district as us US guys often say. We don't have blacks here, we don't have crime and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work.
So here comes the story. Few months ago an african family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole tribe, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge bbqs, cooking cows and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning shit at least. The answer was: "Bitch please.". In a month the situation got quite serious, they were forming a real "ghetto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them.
Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved.
I didn't hate these n..rs, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem.
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On September 28 2011 11:11 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:08 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 11:06 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 10:57 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 10:41 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 10:39 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 10:34 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 09:06 Nakata wrote:You should see this. http://vbox7.com/play:72f9da41This is a block that given to them to live. In 7-8 years they stripped it from windows to put the wood in the heater, and the metal to be sold for scrap. Integrate that. And you Americans have no idea about gypsies. Just saying that in America they do the same thing for there impoverished minorities like every day of the week. And the results are very similar. And they don't post racist garbage on TL about it. Just saying. Ive never heard of such a thing in america. What minorities are you talking about? Do you have a source for me like the other guy ? All of them. Every day. All the time. Takes google and about 5 seconds to look for humanitarian projects in the United States and federal housing. We have 3 federal housing area in my town alone and they all look like shit when they used to look awesome. Sell for scrap? Sounds like an upgrade over the silly defacing and needless destruction these places have. Well federal housing just means housing payed by the government, we have that here too. Its just on another level, gypsies are doing it favela style they dont even have housing just some cardboards put together in the middle inbetween two train stations. Have you ever seen a gypsy in your life? Im very very far from being racist, I came to this country as an immigrant myself, my girlfriend came here as a fugitive. I had people telling me and my gf that their jacket is worth more than her whole country. Thats racism right there. Calling out a group of people that leeches off our welfare state so audaciously is not. Federal housing paid by the government is primarily directed at minorities. Not just anyone can get into them. But we do have a LOT of them so even white people can get into them pretty often as long as they are indeed quite poor and in need of said housing. That being said, I don't know how to answer your question of have I seen what you are calling a "gypsy." The very word is sort of not accepted by the Romani that I have come across in my own country (good encounters overall). So I assume you are talking about the Romani that reside in the areas of eastern europe in question. In which case no. But does it really matter? I've come across the poor. Read my post on page 17 plz. The origin and history of the people is extremely convoluted and prone to misinterpretation especially as the languages used by such people are very very strange. In short, Ill call them whatever they ask me to, or more expressly, Ill refrain from calling them by something they do not like.
The origin and history is convoluted and open to interpretation only to you since you know nothing about it. Moreover you have not met any gipsies and have no idea what the majority think of the term "Roma".
If you understood these people at all you would know that they are smart enough to exploit non-discrimination law and they call it discrimination whenever someone forces them to do anything they do not want.
Such as sending children to school, paying taxes, being evicted from areas where they have no property titles etc.
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On September 28 2011 10:14 StarBrift wrote:
The problem with the logic from east europeans here on the board is that you are blaming one minority group for the huge failure of your entire societal system.
Nobody does that. Nobody claims that all problems or even that the majority of their problems are caused by gypsies. People simply state that they associate gypsies with crime and sometimes state the reasons why they do so.
As many of you allready mentioned the corruption in the government is a huge problem and without that these problems wouldn't exist in the first place.
Wrong. They do exist even though the government (at least in Bulgaria) has tried to help gypsies integrate better. The government might not have done in perfectly, but it tried, it gave many of them free housing, financial help (even though small), and offers free education. Read the thread to see what happened to the free housing provided...
The reason why people blame the government is because multiple governments not only failed to stop a notorious gypsy mobster but they also supported him.
Granted there are corruption to certain degrees in every government but clearly more so in certain countries and the Balkan countries / the rest of eastern europe does not have a good track record when it comes to democracy.
Bulgarian governments have been corrupt as hell since the first one was created, but this has nothing to do with the criminal mindset so many gypsies seem to have.
So how about yopu start focusing on the real problem and support protests against the governments instead of riots against a minority of people that has no influence over the countries fate anyway. You shouldn't be half as mad at criminal Romani as you should be at the goverment that lets it happen.
If you had read the thread, you would know that the protests are aimed at the government and not at the gypsy community.
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I live in Michigan now, but I have been hearing about this as I still get bulgarian TV over the internet. Can't say I am suprised something like this is happening, there has been issues ever since I can remember. I just hope something happens soon before more people are hurt.
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On September 28 2011 11:17 discodancer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:08 Gremlin wrote:
Ok... I'll tell u a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise.
First of all i don't even know where exactly Katunica is. I live in southern Sofia, Borovo namely, which most ppl say is another world existing outside Sofia and even Bulgaria. It's an upper-middle class district as the US guys would say. We don't have gypsies here, we don't have riots and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work.
So here comes the story. Few months ago a gypsy family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole clan, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge fires, burning tires and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning tires at least. The answer was: "Make me!". In a month the situation got quite arduous, they were forming a real "geto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them.
Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved.
I didn't hate these gypsies, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem. Okay now I tell You a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise. So I live in this upper-middle class district as us US guys often say. We don't have blacks here, we don't have crime and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work. So here comes the story. Few months ago an african family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole tribe, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge bbqs, cooking cows and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning shit at least. The answer was: "Bitch please.". In a month the situation got quite serious, they were forming a real "ghetto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them. Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved. I didn't hate these n..rs, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem.
Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments.
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On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:17 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:08 Gremlin wrote:
Ok... I'll tell u a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise.
First of all i don't even know where exactly Katunica is. I live in southern Sofia, Borovo namely, which most ppl say is another world existing outside Sofia and even Bulgaria. It's an upper-middle class district as the US guys would say. We don't have gypsies here, we don't have riots and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work.
So here comes the story. Few months ago a gypsy family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole clan, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge fires, burning tires and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning tires at least. The answer was: "Make me!". In a month the situation got quite arduous, they were forming a real "geto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them.
Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved.
I didn't hate these gypsies, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem. Okay now I tell You a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise. So I live in this upper-middle class district as us US guys often say. We don't have blacks here, we don't have crime and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work. So here comes the story. Few months ago an african family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole tribe, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge bbqs, cooking cows and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning shit at least. The answer was: "Bitch please.". In a month the situation got quite serious, they were forming a real "ghetto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them. Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved. I didn't hate these n..rs, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
Ok well all of that I completely agree with pretty much 100 percent. I think this topic took a REAL bad turn when Cloud took the dump of his life all over it.
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On September 28 2011 11:06 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 10:57 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 10:41 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 10:39 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 10:34 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 09:06 Nakata wrote:You should see this. http://vbox7.com/play:72f9da41This is a block that given to them to live. In 7-8 years they stripped it from windows to put the wood in the heater, and the metal to be sold for scrap. Integrate that. And you Americans have no idea about gypsies. Just saying that in America they do the same thing for there impoverished minorities like every day of the week. And the results are very similar. And they don't post racist garbage on TL about it. Just saying. Ive never heard of such a thing in america. What minorities are you talking about? Do you have a source for me like the other guy ? All of them. Every day. All the time. Takes google and about 5 seconds to look for humanitarian projects in the United States and federal housing. We have 3 federal housing area in my town alone and they all look like shit when they used to look awesome. Sell for scrap? Sounds like an upgrade over the silly defacing and needless destruction these places have. Well federal housing just means housing payed by the government, we have that here too. Its just on another level, gypsies are doing it favela style they dont even have housing just some cardboards put together in the middle inbetween two train stations. Have you ever seen a gypsy in your life? Im very very far from being racist, I came to this country as an immigrant myself, my girlfriend came here as a fugitive. I had people telling me and my gf that their jacket is worth more than her whole country. Thats racism right there. Calling out a group of people that leeches off our welfare state so audaciously is not. Federal housing paid by the government is primarily directed at minorities. Not just anyone can get into them. But we do have a LOT of them so even white people can get into them pretty often as long as they are indeed quite poor and in need of said housing. That being said, I don't know how to answer your question of have I seen what you are calling a "gypsy." The very word is sort of not accepted by the Romani that I have come across in my own country (good encounters overall). So I assume you are talking about the Romani that reside in the areas of eastern europe in question. In which case no. But does it really matter? I've come across the poor.
Where Im from its sort of not accepted to bullshit people into donating money for deaf people or forcing your kids to stay out of school and sell drugs instead. I think we dont come to an agreement here, lets just face it, I have no idea how things go in the US and you dont know nothing about europe so lets just agree to disagree. You dont get what im saying and frankly I dont get where you are going besides you love everyone and its wrong to call them gypsies, even though you never met one of the sort we talk about in this thread. There is even a dude from the US one page back who said he travelled to berlin for 2 (!) days and had to deal with harassment.
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On September 28 2011 11:28 probob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:06 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 10:57 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 10:41 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 10:39 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 10:34 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 09:06 Nakata wrote:You should see this. http://vbox7.com/play:72f9da41This is a block that given to them to live. In 7-8 years they stripped it from windows to put the wood in the heater, and the metal to be sold for scrap. Integrate that. And you Americans have no idea about gypsies. Just saying that in America they do the same thing for there impoverished minorities like every day of the week. And the results are very similar. And they don't post racist garbage on TL about it. Just saying. Ive never heard of such a thing in america. What minorities are you talking about? Do you have a source for me like the other guy ? All of them. Every day. All the time. Takes google and about 5 seconds to look for humanitarian projects in the United States and federal housing. We have 3 federal housing area in my town alone and they all look like shit when they used to look awesome. Sell for scrap? Sounds like an upgrade over the silly defacing and needless destruction these places have. Well federal housing just means housing payed by the government, we have that here too. Its just on another level, gypsies are doing it favela style they dont even have housing just some cardboards put together in the middle inbetween two train stations. Have you ever seen a gypsy in your life? Im very very far from being racist, I came to this country as an immigrant myself, my girlfriend came here as a fugitive. I had people telling me and my gf that their jacket is worth more than her whole country. Thats racism right there. Calling out a group of people that leeches off our welfare state so audaciously is not. Federal housing paid by the government is primarily directed at minorities. Not just anyone can get into them. But we do have a LOT of them so even white people can get into them pretty often as long as they are indeed quite poor and in need of said housing. That being said, I don't know how to answer your question of have I seen what you are calling a "gypsy." The very word is sort of not accepted by the Romani that I have come across in my own country (good encounters overall). So I assume you are talking about the Romani that reside in the areas of eastern europe in question. In which case no. But does it really matter? I've come across the poor. Where Im from its sort of not accepted to bullshit people into donating money for deaf people or forcing your kids to stay out of school and sell drugs instead. I think we dont come to an agreement here, lets just face it, I have no idea how things go in the US and you dont know nothing about europe so lets just agree to disagree. You dont get what im saying and frankly I dont get where you are going besides you love everyone and its wrong to call them gypsies, even though you never met one of the sort we talk about in this thread. There is even a dude from the US one page back who said he travelled to berlin for 2 (!) days and had to deal with harassment.
Forcing kids to stay out of school and sell drugs instead. Oh yeah we have that in the US lol. I guess we do a really good job of covering all that up. Quite frankly we have the same rhetoric with immigrants from Mexico and so on. I guess we're no better but if I said something like+ Show Spoiler + all spics need to be killed in riots
And yeah as someone said earlier. Correlation, Causation, you get the idea.
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On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:17 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:08 Gremlin wrote:
Ok... I'll tell u a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise.
First of all i don't even know where exactly Katunica is. I live in southern Sofia, Borovo namely, which most ppl say is another world existing outside Sofia and even Bulgaria. It's an upper-middle class district as the US guys would say. We don't have gypsies here, we don't have riots and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work.
So here comes the story. Few months ago a gypsy family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole clan, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge fires, burning tires and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning tires at least. The answer was: "Make me!". In a month the situation got quite arduous, they were forming a real "geto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them.
Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved.
I didn't hate these gypsies, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem. Okay now I tell You a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise. So I live in this upper-middle class district as us US guys often say. We don't have blacks here, we don't have crime and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work. So here comes the story. Few months ago an african family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole tribe, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge bbqs, cooking cows and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning shit at least. The answer was: "Bitch please.". In a month the situation got quite serious, they were forming a real "ghetto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them. Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved. I didn't hate these n..rs, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem. Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here. And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments.
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Actually you're one one that is disregarding peoples arguments. He's citing his own experience in a similar matters so that blockheads like you who see what they want to see can get some distance and actually think about it. People aren't telling you or your countrymen that you are wrong in critisizing the romani culture. People aren't telling you that the situation isn't fucked up. They are telling you that you are acting in an unreasonable way and you are judging other people based on where they come from.
As you did to me you just assume that because I don't live in romania I have no insight in the matter and then you cite your puny 25 whatever years on this earth of "life experience with gipsies" as if your own personal experiences have any large scale relevance. You need to calm down and stop picking fights with everyone and take a look at the situation.
Focus your time on trying to acomplish something within your own country instead of claiming everyone not from romania that has an opinion is retarded and has no idea of what they're talking about.
I wrote a pretty mild response to your PM but after reading your subsequent posts its pretty clear that I needed to tell you in full what everyone is thinking.
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On September 28 2011 11:26 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 11:17 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:08 Gremlin wrote:
Ok... I'll tell u a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise.
First of all i don't even know where exactly Katunica is. I live in southern Sofia, Borovo namely, which most ppl say is another world existing outside Sofia and even Bulgaria. It's an upper-middle class district as the US guys would say. We don't have gypsies here, we don't have riots and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work.
So here comes the story. Few months ago a gypsy family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole clan, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge fires, burning tires and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning tires at least. The answer was: "Make me!". In a month the situation got quite arduous, they were forming a real "geto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them.
Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved.
I didn't hate these gypsies, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem. Okay now I tell You a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise. So I live in this upper-middle class district as us US guys often say. We don't have blacks here, we don't have crime and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work. So here comes the story. Few months ago an african family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole tribe, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge bbqs, cooking cows and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning shit at least. The answer was: "Bitch please.". In a month the situation got quite serious, they were forming a real "ghetto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them. Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved. I didn't hate these n..rs, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here. Ok well all of that I completely agree with pretty much 100 percent. I think this topic took a REAL bad turn when Cloud took the dump of his life all over it.
I forgot to add that French / Dutch / British / Italian and Spanish gorvenments have also been helpless in solving the problem.
In fact the French government DEPORTED gipsies back to Romania / Bulgaria by airplane instead of "integrating them into society".
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On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:
Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments.
Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story.
And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian.
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On September 28 2011 11:34 StarBrift wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 11:17 discodancer wrote:On September 28 2011 11:08 Gremlin wrote:
Ok... I'll tell u a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise.
First of all i don't even know where exactly Katunica is. I live in southern Sofia, Borovo namely, which most ppl say is another world existing outside Sofia and even Bulgaria. It's an upper-middle class district as the US guys would say. We don't have gypsies here, we don't have riots and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work.
So here comes the story. Few months ago a gypsy family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole clan, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge fires, burning tires and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning tires at least. The answer was: "Make me!". In a month the situation got quite arduous, they were forming a real "geto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them.
Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved.
I didn't hate these gypsies, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem. Okay now I tell You a story. It's a short one so bare with me and it's related i promise. So I live in this upper-middle class district as us US guys often say. We don't have blacks here, we don't have crime and the whole thing's more like a news-story than real event. You know something you hear over the radio while you drive to work. So here comes the story. Few months ago an african family did move in nearby. Nobody reacted. It's money and being polite to others that counts here not origin. Soon enough the family became whole tribe, they were like 20 ppl living in a small house. We didn't react on that either. Culture, you know, none of our business by far. Then they started making these huge bbqs, cooking cows and all. That smells and it smells like hell. They were walking down the street calling each other names, gee i've never heard a mother calling her own 9yo kid "bastard" or "whore" before. We talked to them, asked them to stop burning shit at least. The answer was: "Bitch please.". In a month the situation got quite serious, they were forming a real "ghetto" right there in that small house. We had to do something and do it fast, so the whole community signed a declaration demanding the municipality mayor to evict them. It worked, in few days the police came and so we got rid of them. Now we didn't make a party or something, most of us, incl. me, felt kinda guilty for being the reason these ppl to lose their home. It came out they moved in illegally, but yet chasing ppl isn't something to be proud of. But also we were relieved. I didn't hate these n..rs, i didn't care about them, they didn't steal anything or some such. However if they were at least a little bit tolerant towards our lifestyle there wouldn't be any problem. Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here. And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments. ' Actually you're one one that is disregarding peoples arguments. He's citing his own experience in a similar matters so that blockheads like you who see what they want to see can get some distance and actually think about it. People aren't telling you or your countrymen that you are wrong in critisizing the romani culture. People aren't telling you that the situation isn't fucked up. They are telling you that you are acting in an unreasonable way and you are judging other people based on where they come from. As you did to me you just assume that because I don't live in romania I have no insight in the matter and then you cite your puny 25 whatever years on this earth of "life experience with gipsies" as if your own personal experiences have any large scale relevance. You need to calm down and stop picking fights with everyone and take a look at the situation. Focus your time on trying to acomplish something within your own country instead of claiming everyone not from romania that has an opinion is retarded and has no idea of what they're talking about. I wrote a pretty mild response to your PM but after reading your subsequent posts its pretty clear that I needed to tell you in full what everyone is thinking.
Right, well when your governments (western + nordic) stop deporting EU citizens and also stop QQing about the problem and they integrate these lovely immigrants into society THEN, you can take the moral high-ground with us eastern europeans. Ok ? Until them you're all nothing but hypocrites who do one thing and say another.
Funny that western europe saw its first forceful deportations after 1945 within EU borders and with EU citizens no less and you still take the moral highground.
Who has what to fix in their country ?
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On September 28 2011 11:33 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:28 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 11:06 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 10:57 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 10:41 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 10:39 probob wrote:On September 28 2011 10:34 Medrea wrote:On September 28 2011 09:06 Nakata wrote:You should see this. http://vbox7.com/play:72f9da41This is a block that given to them to live. In 7-8 years they stripped it from windows to put the wood in the heater, and the metal to be sold for scrap. Integrate that. And you Americans have no idea about gypsies. Just saying that in America they do the same thing for there impoverished minorities like every day of the week. And the results are very similar. And they don't post racist garbage on TL about it. Just saying. Ive never heard of such a thing in america. What minorities are you talking about? Do you have a source for me like the other guy ? All of them. Every day. All the time. Takes google and about 5 seconds to look for humanitarian projects in the United States and federal housing. We have 3 federal housing area in my town alone and they all look like shit when they used to look awesome. Sell for scrap? Sounds like an upgrade over the silly defacing and needless destruction these places have. Well federal housing just means housing payed by the government, we have that here too. Its just on another level, gypsies are doing it favela style they dont even have housing just some cardboards put together in the middle inbetween two train stations. Have you ever seen a gypsy in your life? Im very very far from being racist, I came to this country as an immigrant myself, my girlfriend came here as a fugitive. I had people telling me and my gf that their jacket is worth more than her whole country. Thats racism right there. Calling out a group of people that leeches off our welfare state so audaciously is not. Federal housing paid by the government is primarily directed at minorities. Not just anyone can get into them. But we do have a LOT of them so even white people can get into them pretty often as long as they are indeed quite poor and in need of said housing. That being said, I don't know how to answer your question of have I seen what you are calling a "gypsy." The very word is sort of not accepted by the Romani that I have come across in my own country (good encounters overall). So I assume you are talking about the Romani that reside in the areas of eastern europe in question. In which case no. But does it really matter? I've come across the poor. Where Im from its sort of not accepted to bullshit people into donating money for deaf people or forcing your kids to stay out of school and sell drugs instead. I think we dont come to an agreement here, lets just face it, I have no idea how things go in the US and you dont know nothing about europe so lets just agree to disagree. You dont get what im saying and frankly I dont get where you are going besides you love everyone and its wrong to call them gypsies, even though you never met one of the sort we talk about in this thread. There is even a dude from the US one page back who said he travelled to berlin for 2 (!) days and had to deal with harassment. Forcing kids to stay out of school and sell drugs instead. Oh yeah we have that in the US lol. I guess we do a really good job of covering all that up. Quite frankly we have the same rhetoric with immigrants from Mexico and so on. I guess we're no better but if I said something like + Show Spoiler + all spics need to be killed in riots like a certain someone on the front page. Im sure that would be the fastest ticket to a perm ban imaginable.
Im really not responsible for what ClouD said on the first page, neither do I agree with it. I never said anything of this sort. As i said in my other post I am against racism very much and I think those comments made are childish and wrong. BUT its not rhetoric I use to discriminate them in any form, its the truth, I see it every goddamn day when I use the subway here in Berlin and literally everybody knows that the teenagers sell hard drugs on the ride, pls read my first post which was unrelated to yours. How is lying about it, only because its politically correct, doing anyone anything good?
I dont think you can compare it to the mexicans in america, I mean they are huge in number doing jobs ranging from janitor to ceo. For every mexican involved in the drugwar there are a lot more doing normal jobs. In the romani community ,like others have said in this thread it is a great percentage of people involved in this activity.
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On September 28 2011 11:39 discodancer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:22 decemberTV wrote:
Again, someone who has no idea about the issue and thinks its the same thing as minorities in the US. You are so naive and i don't care if you say you come from eastern europe you still don't know what you're talking about. The issue is completely different as eastern european governments are NOT the same as in the US and they actually rarely resolve these problems. Which is why the bulgarians rioted in the first place and is why this thread is here.
And its not just the Bulgarian government; the french PRESIDENT SARKOZY DEPORTED GIPSIES FROM FRANCE BACK TO ROMANIA AND BULGARIA. Does anyone actually understand what this means ? Its not just the european governments that can't deal with the situation but also the western governments. Yeah I have no idea about Eastern Europe even though I lived there for 19 years before moving to the US. Stop with this garbage talk please, people are not as dumb as you think. I lived in a district full of gypsies and went to school with at least 3 of them. In 6th grade they couldn't read for shit but that's not the point, is it? I saw just as many local white majority kids selling stolen cellphones and getting shitfaced and hustling people for money. Don't exaggerate because someone like me will always call you out on your bullshit. End of story. And yeah, Sarkozy deported gypsies back to where they came from because they crossed the border illegally and if it was an illegal Bulgarian he would have been deported exactly the same way. Not because he is Bulgarian.
See you're completely missinformed and have no idea about what has happened in Europe since you left. You see, Romania and Bulgaria are now EU member states which makes all of us EU citizens and gives us the right to legally move to any part of the EU we want without any immigration papers or even a god damn passport. Kind of like moving from Arizona to Texas; you can't really do that illegaly now can you ?
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