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Jeasus fucking christ. I thought Americans were the most racist people on earth, I am grossly mistaken. Europeans acctually belive that Gypsies are an inerior breed of human and treat them like crap. I only read the first 3 pages and every single euro poster should be banned based on the warning.
The gypsie problem? What problem? The one where you treat a group of people like crap for 500 years and now you wanna get rid of them? The problem is you. Maybe if they had a chance to live normally noone would care
Jeasus fucking christ. These post aren't rasistic mr. "i wanna be friend with everyone". Most post are just constanting sad true about this etnicum.
Try to travel here and you will understand.
Goverments gave tons of money to integrate them, they had their chance.
Next time get some info about the problem and then post your opinion
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On September 28 2011 08:30 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 08:26 MozoM wrote:
Funny thing is that french governementt pays roms when they are expulsed back to Romania a lot of money, but they come back in weeks, turning it to a new business.
Only thing i know about them is that they fake handicap to beg on the streets and they steal everything they can, even railroads.
There probably a good amount of them who live peacefully, but the minority acting criminally is a fucking plague. No worse then the non gypsies that rob banks and scam people. I garuntee that gypsy criminality is only a fraction of your total crime. But because they are gypsys people give a fuck and are upset.
Ok people orhasd26 from CANADA fucking GUARANTEES there is NO gypsy problem in EUROPE, because why not he probably read a wikipedia article on "roma" people and thought they're cool.
Fucking unreal north americans in this thread, just mind blowing ignorance.
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So much ignorance in this thread, claiming it's racism without having any idea what are they talking about. The crime boss said the same thing. Should I let you figure out why? It's easy to play the racism card, pay the authorities to support your claims and apparently you can even get away with orchestrating a murder.
There are other gypsies living in the same village, none of them suffered any damage to their property.
The property that was burned does not exist, according both to the crime lord and local authorities.
It was built completely illegally on land he does not own. If the local authorities acknowledge its existence, they would have to tear it down, so they just pretend it doesn't exist.
That's probably why nobody was charged or even detained for burning them down.
He still hasn't been arrested and was instead guarded by police in a 4 star hotel. When the locals found out and went to protest in front of the hotel, they moved him to another, currently unknown, location.
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On September 28 2011 08:12 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Jeasus fucking christ. I thought Americans were the most racist people on earth, I am grossly mistaken. Europeans acctually belive that Gypsies are an inerior breed of human and treat them like crap. I only read the first 3 pages and every single euro poster should be banned based on the warning.
The gypsie problem? What problem? The one where you treat a group of people like crap for 500 years and now you wanna get rid of them? The problem is you. Maybe if they had a chance to live normally noone would care.
yo bro, dont jump in topics where you have not a single clue about and criticize others about what they think. you are from canada ofcourse you have NO CLUE about what Roman gypsies are. maybe live at balkans for a year or two and you will know what it is. governments in balkans actually help those gypsies a lot but they still ruin everything.
they get free citizenship offer from states in balkans and they refuse, they get free houses so they dont live in trash huts but as soon as they take those they sell them to normal citizens and return back to where they live, all of them get government aid all the time and none of them accepting it. they have FREE education but none of them sending their kids because begging in the streets or robbing people is more profitable for them. they have cars in their gypsie hood but they use their horses when they want to go to city. they make their childrens group up in large numbers and make them raid the very city center to rob people and make chaos. they dont have any respect or anything. if governments in balkan wanted to kick them out, they unfortunately cant because it is the governments who profit from them with some other stuff even tho they dont pay a SINGLE tax or any bills, living free.
but yeah people like you in this thread is actually looking stupid with arguements you make. these are not your trailer park hobos, roman gypsies are very different and they deserve whatever people do to them.
plus to the dumb people who are calling europeans 'nazis' 'racist', it is not racism, it is nationalism.
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Wow this is a pretty crazy thread.
Ive never seen so many different people from different countries unite together to hate one group of people. Im American so I have no idea who the gypsies are and what they do.
I have to admit that its pretty hard to not get caught up in the flow of this thread when you see people from pretty much every country in Europe bagging on gypsies at the same time. As much as i hate generalizing a group of people, I dont know anything about the subject and the dislike for gypsies seems to be near unanimous regardless of where you come from in Europe. Its hard to argue against that
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You should see this.
http://vbox7.com/play:72f9da41
This is a block that given to them to live. In 7-8 years they stripped it from windows to put the wood in the heater, and the metal to be sold for scrap. Integrate that.
And you Americans have no idea about gypsies.
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I'm from America and I had no idea that gypsies were a 21st century problem - the only time I've heard about them outside of a history class is this thread. Some of the actions described by them make them seem so detestable - listening to the persons who are posting from eastern europe, I couldn't even imagine having persons like those described living in American society. From reading the thread through there seems to be no solution but to send them somewhere else which doesn't take care of the problem at all, merely move it.
What I would love to read is the perspective of a true Gypsy on the topic - if anyone has a link or can provide such a thing, I think that would benefit the discussion enormously as every post has been from the perspective of the Gypsy's victims and those who are leeched off of by them, and so (rightly) heavily biased against them.
If anyone can give a link to a Gypsy's perspective on the topic of their culture against that of Eastern Europe, please do so.
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I'm glad there is a riot. Sure, I'd like it more if it was a peaceful demonstration.
You can hear people get murdered here every week by the same type of gypsies.. No one really does anything because it usually happens in small villages.
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Interesting thread. It is great to hear from Europeans who have personal experience with the gypsies. I live in the US and have never seen gypsies but it sounds like they are quite bad group of people to have in your country or city. It seems like something should be done about them. Like not giving them money or possibly forcing their children to go to school or be taken away from families that are unwilling to raise them to live in the 21rst century.
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On September 28 2011 09:07 Bartimaues wrote:
I'm from America and I had no idea that gypsies were a 21st century problem - the only time I've heard about them outside of a history class is this thread. Some of the actions described by them make them seem so detestable - listening to the persons who are posting from eastern europe, I couldn't even imagine having persons like those described living in American society. From reading the thread through there seems to be no solution but to send them somewhere else which doesn't take care of the problem at all, merely move it.
What I would love to read is the perspective of a true Gypsy on the topic - if anyone has a link or can provide such a thing, I think that would benefit the discussion enormously as every post has been from the perspective of the Gypsy's victims and those who are leeched off of by them, and so (rightly) heavily biased against them.
If anyone can give a link to a Gypsy's perspective on the topic of their culture against that of Eastern Europe, please do so.
you dont understand it, do you? for years most of the eastern european countries and the people trying to live peacefully with them but as hundreds of posters have said it repeatedly that they are just mass criminals that are living freely due to corrupt governments. yes almost all of the eastern european countries have corrupted governments. police dont do anything for years because they are getting paid not to do anything. but yeah to understand the situation more clearly i offer any american to visit some eastern european country and just live for 1 year, you will experience atleast minimum 5 gypsie problems face to face.
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I'm from canada and everything that I've read from european people regarding gypsies over the past few years is all bad news so I'm inclined to believe its less racism and more realism. :\
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On September 28 2011 09:23 askTeivospy wrote:
I'm from canada and everything that I've read from european people regarding gypsies over the past few years is all bad news so I'm inclined to believe its less racism and more realism. :\
i could be wrong (i hope im wrong), but im inclined to agree as well...
for all the people bringing up Hitler, he believed that Germany was winning WW1 and that Jews at home backstabbed the German nation by surrendering. people here talking about gypsies are bringing up reports of crime. They are in no way comparable in terms of measurability
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I just saw a documentary by the romanian film maker Livia Tipurita about gypsy child thieves and how they are shipped all over the europe to steal - it's quite insane. Watch it if you want to have a better grasp on the situation and to understand where all the hatred is coming from.
A small excerpt is available here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8226580.stm
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After reading the entire thread, I can understand where the east Europeans are coming from, and I agree that Orcasgt24 the Canadian probably didn't have a clue.
Here in New Zealand we have indigenous Polynesian people called the Maori. However unlike Gypsies, Maori people have integrated to the western society perfectly fine, and mostly trouble-free. Although we occasionally hear some stories about a few rotten apple, like exploiting western welfare benefits to no ends, but the case I heard from here seems to be similar what we experienced here, but with SUPER STEROIDS.
So I can sort of see the connection, especially if Gypsies has no will to integrate into the society at all.
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On September 27 2011 21:58 ondik wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 21:52 3Form wrote:
I just want to clarify, when you talk about how gypsies should "integrate into society", what exactly do you mean by that? You basically mean stop being gypsies, don't you? WE mean stop living on welfare, stop robbing, start working and send their children to school. There are no problems or hate towards black minority or asian minority here (and I'm sure it's the case for most countries), yet almost everyone has problems with gypsy minority. How can you explain that?
I'm sorry but this is simply not true.
I lived in the Czech Republic for several years, with a Korean girlfriend. Czech men routinely stomped their feet in her way and yelled in her face suddenly as if that was an extremely funny joke. Czech women would push past her and call her a monkey in Czech assuming that she would not understand them. One day in a subway station the words "Czech Republic for Czech people" were scrawled on the floor. The country has intense problems with racism and you are not doing yourself any good by denying it.
The one Asian ethnicity that has a somewhat good reputation in the Czech Republic is the Vietnamese population, because they are known for being hard workers and many of them immigrated decades ago during a Communist initiative. They have strong roots in the country and are generally respected. Other minorities are not.
As for the gypsy discussion, I have to agree that there are real problems and some of the discrimination is justified. Not long ago there was a massive uptick in abuse of the Canadian immigration system. Many people were sneaking into the country and asking for asylum so they could receive free housing and have their expenses paid for by the government. These people were gypsies from the Czech Republic who were being taught specifically how to cheat the Canadian system. Who was teaching them, I have no idea. But for a time it was possible to see posters in certain areas with a Canadian flag on them, advertising for the scam. I'm not sure what happened to those people when their asylum claims were found to be bogus, but it bogged down the system quite a bit and cost the government a great deal of money. It eventually led to some immigration reform.
There is quite a lot of pickpocketing and other kinds of theft in Europe. I was never a victim because I was a bit proactive, but my girlfriend and people close to her were victims more than once. Their bags were slashed on the subway, or their money was stolen from their purses and wallets while they were paying for something, etc. It happens all the time. I can't say if these crimes are committed by gypsies more often than any other group. I don't have first hand knowledge of that. But I do know that if you walk through a Czech town, you will probably see a lot of gypsies hanging around, seemingly doing nothing. Not talking with their friends, or laughing, or carrying home groceries. Just standing or sitting there, watching people. I feel sorry for people who live those sorts of lives but it is also very unsettling to see with your own eyes.
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So here's the problem with the whole "it's not racist, it's true" thing:
Gypsy is a synonym for an ethnic group called the Romani people. If you don't see labeling a whole ethnic group as criminals as racist then I don't know what is.
I am not saying that there isn't a problem with the culture that some (or most, I really don't know) of them practice but using their ethnicity as a direct causation of them being criminal is wrong and alienates them as a whole.
You may not use the term Gypsy as a description of their ethnicity but that's how that term is defined. It may be petty semantics but it's important.
edit: Apparently Charlie Chaplin was part Romani. You wouldn't call him a scum of the earth criminal, would you?
edit2: as for derogatory nature of the term Gypsy, I only feel comfortable using it because it doesn't seem to have the very negative connotation in the English speaking parts of the world. I would never use the German equivalent "Zigeuner" to describe them as it does have somewhat of a negative connotation and is used by some as an insult (not only towards Roma). But it's nowhere near as bad as the N word as there even is a steak recipe called "Zigeuner Schnitzel". Also there is an widely known alternative term to referring to them in German: "Sinti und Roma"
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Funny this thread comes up because I have had two Bulgarian roommates for the past 2 weeks. The gypsies they say cause so many problems are are very much hated with a good reason. All they do is steal things and will do anything for money. My two roommates say that everyone has to put a fence around the things they own and even but guards around it otherwise the gypsies will just come and steal it. They ruin everything over there and I think it is time to put a stop to it.
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Can people actually stop reffering to them as "Gypsies"? It's ridiculously racist and not in the slightest even remotely close to what they call themselves / want to be called. Do you people actually use the N word for black people aswell so freely and without thought?
The Romani has a bad rep in sweden aswell but we don't use derogatory names to demean them even if they sometimes to act outside the law (allthough not often so in sweden admittably).
The problem with the logic from east europeans here on the board is that you are blaming one minority group for the huge failure of your entire societal system. As many of you allready mentioned the corruption in the government is a huge problem and without that these problems wouldn't exist in the first place. Granted there are corruption to certain degrees in every government but clearly more so in certain countries and the Balkan countries / the rest of eastern europe does not have a good track record when it comes to democracy.
So how about yopu start focusing on the real problem and support protests against the governments instead of riots against a minority of people that has no influence over the countries fate anyway. You shouldn't be half as mad at criminal Romani as you should be at the goverment that lets it happen.
Just please, stop calling people Gypsies. It's incredibly racist and clearly pointless. It only breeds more hatred.
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On September 28 2011 10:11 Goldbullet wrote:
Funny this thread comes up because I have had two Bulgarian roommates for the past 2 weeks. The gypsies they say cause so many problems are are very much hated with a good reason. All they do is steal things and will do anything for money. My two roommates say that everyone has to put a fence around the things they own and even but guards around it otherwise the gypsies will just come and steal it. They ruin everything over there and I think it is time to put a stop to it.
If we just didn't have the Gypsies... the world would be Utopia!
Why? My roommates said.
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On September 28 2011 10:14 StarBrift wrote:
Can people actually stop reffering to them as "Gypsies"? It's ridiculously racist and not in the slightest even remotely close to what they call themselves / want to be called. Do you people actually use the N word for black people aswell so freely and without thought?
When I did a wiki search on the term, it only came up
the Romani people, an ethnic group popularly referred to as gypsies.
Unlike the N word page, where it actually talks about the negative side of term.
Edit: I also just did a dictionary search too, so I don't know where you get the idea from?
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