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On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture.
Again, you are generalizing the entire gypsies people.
And PLEASE dont tell me that because im from NA I can't understand the situation.
Read up on the persecution of gypsies in Europe.
No one will give them a job or any opportunities. Because of this they are forced to live the way they are.
Look at the attitude of ppl in this thread. Do you think any of them will hire a gypsie?
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On September 28 2011 02:36 cellblock wrote:
I lived in a flat as a kid and we had gypsy neighbours in the next door, I remember they tried to steal my young sisters bike once, thats normal for them. My mother had to nearly fight to get it back. They moved out some time after, probably got kicked out.
When our bathroom was getting repaired we had to use the gypsies one. Even though they had moved out already, the fucking smell in the apartment was sickening. Ive never smelled anything that bad before, like dead animal mixed with piss and shit.
If you see a beggar on the streets in bigger towns here, then its 99% a gypsy. They tend to hand out red roses for free to people on the streets, but want you to pay after you recieved it. Ive noticed that its only their women and children begging, which is sad. They need to learn how to adapt to a modern society.
yeah the read roses trick. what they do is they say something about it being a tradition to give people roses and then they ask for some small amount of money. when you give them the money they say it's the wrong bill, and put it back in your wallet. the roses cover their other hand which is actually taking money from your wallet at the same time.
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On September 28 2011 12:31 discodancer wrote:
The idea that someone from Romania claims Europe to be 'his continent' is just amusing to me. You weren't even in the EU few years ago and honestly should not be. So yeah, I'll stop lecturing you about YOUR continent maybe because delusions of grandeur are nothing to mess with. Lol.
Uhm, what is this shit?
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On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons.
Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better.
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On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better.
What does being an American have to do with anything?
Seriously...
Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
OH WAIT... I forgot you would rather kill them all. AM I RIGHT?
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On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus.
Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive.
Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so.
I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary.
I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you.
Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist?
Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to.
Again, you are generalizing the entire gypsies people.
And PLEASE dont tell me that because im from NA I can't understand the situation.
Read up on the persecution of gypsies in Europe.
No one will give them a job or any opportunities. Because of this they are forced to live the way they are.
Look at the attitude of ppl in this thread. Do you think any of them will hire a gypsie?
If 95% of a group does something, and 5% doesn't, would you really call it generalizing? On top of that, I have almost always used qualifiers like "overwhelming percentage" etc. Despite that, you still decide to make a smart alec remark.
As to hiring, see my above paragraph in reply to you. Especially during Communist times, the welfare for them has been absolutely through the roof. Last I checked, gypsies were not being persecuted, so I don't know where you got that horse shit from. It's not that you're from NA that you don't understand the situation. It's that you just don't. The fact that you don't even know how much affirmative action as far as jobs, housing, education, etc. that has been offered to them shows you really don't know what is going on.
The fact that you think you know better than the people who live right in those countries is in particular quite arrogant and ignorant.
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On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better.
You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it.
But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time.
The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example.
Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism.
On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to.
My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread".
The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them.
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On September 28 2011 12:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:31 discodancer wrote:
The idea that someone from Romania claims Europe to be 'his continent' is just amusing to me. You weren't even in the EU few years ago and honestly should not be. So yeah, I'll stop lecturing you about YOUR continent maybe because delusions of grandeur are nothing to mess with. Lol. Uhm, what is this shit?
I have no idea. Honestly. But just for the record:
From roughly 500 BC (the second Iron Age), the Dacians developed a distinctive civilization capable of supporting large centralized kingdoms.
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On September 28 2011 12:58 RudrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. What does being an American have to do with anything? Seriously... Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal? OH WAIT... I forgot you would rather kill them all. AM I RIGHT?
1. Because jobs are not given, they are earned ? Why don't you give jobs to all your homeless if its that simple ?
2. Because the government cannot FORCE private enterprises to hire people who cannot read or write and have 1~3 years of school. What planet are you living on ?
3. Because they are uneducated across generations, from father to son to grandson they pull themselves out of school and live in tents.
But yeah, keep comparing them to "South Central L.A."; or did you just wanna let anyone know how rugged your are for living in the bad part of town ?
There's another guy just above telling me how i don't "know" some particular areas in LA and Detroit. You're hilarious ^_^;
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This thread is quite possibly the most disgusting thread I've ever read on Teamliquid. I feel like I'm looking at a pre-1960ish America, except instead of African Americans, it's gypsies. Absolutely sickening. I can't even believe what I'm reading. I thought Europe was better than this.
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On September 28 2011 12:56 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:31 discodancer wrote:
The idea that someone from Romania claims Europe to be 'his continent' is just amusing to me. You weren't even in the EU few years ago and honestly should not be. So yeah, I'll stop lecturing you about YOUR continent maybe because delusions of grandeur are nothing to mess with. Lol. Uhm, what is this shit?
lol, he seems to be confusing geography with political groups. Bulgaria is part of Europe whether in the EU or not.
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On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them.
Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject.
One point cleared.
As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country.
A second point cleared.
You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable.
A third point is cleared.
So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is?
Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that.
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On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. Show nested quote +Again, you are generalizing the entire gypsies people.
And PLEASE dont tell me that because im from NA I can't understand the situation.
Read up on the persecution of gypsies in Europe.
No one will give them a job or any opportunities. Because of this they are forced to live the way they are.
Look at the attitude of ppl in this thread. Do you think any of them will hire a gypsie? If 95% of a group does something, and 5% doesn't, would you really call it generalizing? On top of that, I have almost always used qualifiers like "overwhelming percentage" etc. Despite that, you still decide to make a smart alec remark. As to hiring, see my above paragraph in reply to you. Especially during Communist times, the welfare for them has been absolutely through the roof. Last I checked, gypsies were not being persecuted, so I don't know where you got that horse shit from. It's not that you're from NA that you don't understand the situation. It's that you just don't. The fact that you don't even know how much affirmative action as far as jobs, housing, education, etc. that has been offered to them shows you really don't know what is going on. The fact that you think you know better than the people who live right in those countries is in particular quite arrogant and ignorant.
No one wants to work if they are being spit at.
If you think that people they work with treat them with respect you are mistaken. If someone gave you a job but spat on you and insulted you, would u want to work there?
On September 28 2011 13:11 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:58 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. What does being an American have to do with anything? Seriously... Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal? OH WAIT... I forgot you would rather kill them all. AM I RIGHT? 1. Because jobs are not given, they are earned ? Why don't you give jobs to all your homeless if its that simple ? 2. Because the government cannot FORCE private enterprises to hire people who cannot read or write and have 1~3 years of school. What planet are you living on ? 3. Because they are uneducated across generations, from father to son to grandson they pull themselves out of school and live in tents. But yeah, keep comparing them to "South Central L.A."; or did you just wanna let anyone know how rugged your are for living in the bad part of town ?
So your telling me you need a very high degree for fast food? You have to start somewhere. I have no doubt in my mind they are not working in good environments. Refer to my post above.
On September 28 2011 13:13 Josealtron wrote:
This thread is quite possibly the most disgusting thread I've ever read on Teamliquid. I feel like I'm looking at a pre-1960ish America, except instead of African Americans, it's gypsies. Absolutely sickening. I can't even believe what I'm reading. I thought Europe was better than this.
My sentiments exactly. Europeans disgust me.
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On September 28 2011 13:11 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:58 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. What does being an American have to do with anything? Seriously... Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal? OH WAIT... I forgot you would rather kill them all. AM I RIGHT? 1. Because jobs are not given, they are earned ? Why don't you give jobs to all your homeless if its that simple ? 2. Because the government cannot FORCE private enterprises to hire people who cannot read or write and have 1~3 years of school. What planet are you living on ? 3. Because they are uneducated across generations, from father to son to grandson they pull themselves out of school and live in tents. But yeah, keep comparing them to "South Central L.A."; or did you just wanna let anyone know how rugged your are for living in the bad part of town ?
1. People like you are the very reason homelessness still exists at the rate it does.
2. Governments force a lot of things.
3. What does this have to do with anything? Are you suggesting that over a few generations they bred out their ability to be intelligent? WHAT THE FUCK?
You've talked down to other people constantly in this thread (as though you are innately superior) while at the same time acting as if all of us are taking the moral high ground merely to look courageous.
You thought giving me geography trivia was adequate to gauge if my opinion on a social issue was relevant or not. You explicitly called me out due to me being American, not for me being, "full of shit" or anything.
You then act as if I'm completely incapable of understanding what's going on where you live but profess to have in depth knowledge about every little intricacy that goes on where I live.
You've posted several times that you were going to stop posting and yet you can't stop, because you enjoy inciting people so much. Keyboard warrior comes to mind.
On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that.
If someone judges all Americans over one person, guess what that makes them? Racist. I'm not even going to bother addressing the rest of your post because it's merely you trying to shout over me. Watch a documentary on gang culture in LA and tell me it can't be directly compared to what some people are saying about gypsies in this very thread. It's a valid comparison in some respects.
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On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them. Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject. One point cleared. As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country. A second point cleared. You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable. A third point is cleared. So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is? Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that.
Would you want to be a part of a society where everyone thinks you are a good for nothing scum?
Now please, Stop making Americans look so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that.
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On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them. Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject. One point cleared. As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country. A second point cleared. You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable. A third point is cleared. So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is? Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that.
Fully paid scholarships for 4 or more years in all the top universities in Romania are RESERVED for gipsies (as in only gipsies can apply and the spots dont go to romanians if they are not occupied). There are about 10 spots for each branch of each university and on average 1 or 2 out of 10 will be applied for.
The government and the local authorities build apartments and give them away for free here.
But this is only 1 example. I would really like to know if you treat your minorities so well in the USA. ^_^;
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On September 28 2011 13:19 RudrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. Again, you are generalizing the entire gypsies people.
And PLEASE dont tell me that because im from NA I can't understand the situation.
Read up on the persecution of gypsies in Europe.
No one will give them a job or any opportunities. Because of this they are forced to live the way they are.
Look at the attitude of ppl in this thread. Do you think any of them will hire a gypsie? If 95% of a group does something, and 5% doesn't, would you really call it generalizing? On top of that, I have almost always used qualifiers like "overwhelming percentage" etc. Despite that, you still decide to make a smart alec remark. As to hiring, see my above paragraph in reply to you. Especially during Communist times, the welfare for them has been absolutely through the roof. Last I checked, gypsies were not being persecuted, so I don't know where you got that horse shit from. It's not that you're from NA that you don't understand the situation. It's that you just don't. The fact that you don't even know how much affirmative action as far as jobs, housing, education, etc. that has been offered to them shows you really don't know what is going on. The fact that you think you know better than the people who live right in those countries is in particular quite arrogant and ignorant. No one wants to work if they are being spit at. If you think that people they work with treat them with respect you are mistaken. If someone gave you a job but spat on you and insulted you, would u want to work there? Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:11 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:58 RudrA wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. What does being an American have to do with anything? Seriously... Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal? OH WAIT... I forgot you would rather kill them all. AM I RIGHT? 1. Because jobs are not given, they are earned ? Why don't you give jobs to all your homeless if its that simple ? 2. Because the government cannot FORCE private enterprises to hire people who cannot read or write and have 1~3 years of school. What planet are you living on ? 3. Because they are uneducated across generations, from father to son to grandson they pull themselves out of school and live in tents. But yeah, keep comparing them to "South Central L.A."; or did you just wanna let anyone know how rugged your are for living in the bad part of town ? So your telling me you need a very high degree for fast food? You have to start somewhere. I have no doubt in my mind they are not working in good environments. Refer to my post above. Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:13 Josealtron wrote:
This thread is quite possibly the most disgusting thread I've ever read on Teamliquid. I feel like I'm looking at a pre-1960ish America, except instead of African Americans, it's gypsies. Absolutely sickening. I can't even believe what I'm reading. I thought Europe was better than this. My sentiments exactly. Europeans disgust me.
No one wants to work if they are being spit at.
If you think that people they work with treat them with respect you are mistaken. If someone gave you a job but spat on you and insulted you, would u want to work there?
Except they never took the job, and were never spit on. Why do you keep spouting bs? I know you're pulling shit out of your ass, but humor me, and tell me where some huge number of gypsies took up jobs and lived in society and were spit on and stuff and went back to thievery and crime. I really love the fairy tales you're telling  .
The reality is they don't want to be a part of society. Plain and simple. That is their conviction regardless of anything. They're too cool for school, so to speak. The fact of the matter is they're a terrible bane on society despite not being a part of it, and yet they still don't get spit on. And you expect them to get spit on if they were good, law-abiding people?
My sentiments exactly. Europeans disgust me.
Well, this explains it. You're racist. You could have said that earlier so we could figure out why you're spewing so much completely unreasonable, false bs. I'm just thankful you're not American because we get enough flak for such ignorance and arrogance.
Btw, congrats on trash-talking much of the forum population, and many of the team members of Team Liquid.
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On September 28 2011 13:26 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them. Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject. One point cleared. As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country. A second point cleared. You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable. A third point is cleared. So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is? Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that. Fully paid scholarships for 4 or more years in all the top universities in Romania are RESERVED for gipsies (as in only gipsies can apply and the spots dont go to romanians if they are not occupied). There are about 10 spots for each branch of each university and on average 1 or 2 out of 10 will be applied for. But this is only 1 example. I would really like to know if you treat your minorities so well in the USA. ^_^;
The fact that only 1 or 2 out of the 10 are applied for should show u just how big the problem is.
Also, the fact that you dont seem to understand this also reinforces the fact that your a racist.
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On September 28 2011 13:26 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them. Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject. One point cleared. As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country. A second point cleared. You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable. A third point is cleared. So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is? Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that. Fully paid scholarships for 4 or more years in all the top universities in Romania are RESERVED for gipsies (as in only gipsies can apply and the spots dont go to romanians if they are not occupied). There are about 10 spots for each branch of each university and on average 1 or 2 out of 10 will be applied for. But this is only 1 example. I would really like to know if you treat your minorities so well in the USA. ^_^;
Maybe not to that extent but there are many scholarships valid only for minorities and certain schools do pick people of minorities explicitly because they are a minority even though there are more qualified applicants.
Helping them become educated starts at the bottom though, if you don't help them get and stay in school when they are young then you can't expect them to mystically be able to go to universities.
On September 28 2011 13:27 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Well, this explains it. You're racist. You could have said that earlier so we could figure out why you're spewing so much completely unreasonable, false bs. I'm just thankful you're not American because we get enough flak for such ignorance and arrogance.
Btw, congrats on trash-talking much of the forum population, and many of the team members of Team Liquid.
"Everyone is racist but me and December! I'm not racist... by the way, 95% of the gypsy population wants to be uneducated thieves that pump out children for welfare, I have studies to back this up too, here they are:"
Okay bro.
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On September 28 2011 13:29 RudrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 13:26 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 13:04 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:57 decemberTV wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr December talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Edit: I thought December wasn't going to post anymore since it's early in the morning, guess he changed his mind... Apparently, he doesn't like Canada very much either. Apparently if we live anywhere but where he does we are just huge morons. Strictly because you're an american who compares "the bad part of town" with an ethnic group who has made it its culture to live off welfare, teach and force its own children to steal / beg from as little as 4~5 y old because until 13~14 years they cannot be prosecuted, across an entire continent. But yea, you know better. You can't have it both ways, you take this stance that you know everything and I know nothing and yet you act as if I am trying to take some moral high ground. You are full of it. But yeah, I'm sure you actually know all about gang culture in the US and more specifically the LA and Detroit areas. I'm sure you've watched documentaries about how a majority of the youth get indoctrinated into the gang culture and the parents either do nothing about it or even have a hand in it themselves because a majority of them have had some gang association in their life time. The only halfway point you might have is that the scale is potentially smaller, but that doesn't change the fact that it can be directly compared in certain contexts and be an entirely legitimate example. Yet in this very thread you seem to hate on Americans, Canadians and especially gypsies. Who knows, you may have even attacked other nationalities. I'm trying to read every single one of your posts though as they are riddled with hate and thinly veiled racism. On September 28 2011 12:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On September 28 2011 12:50 HereticSaint wrote:On September 28 2011 12:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
The saddest thing about this thread (after a couple of Cloud's comments) is that Americans with no idea about what goes on in that part of the world are attempting to compare minorities in the US to gypsies and saying there's nothing different and there is no problem except those people in Bulgaria, Romania, etc. are a bunch of racists. The reality is they (gypsies and US minorities) are completely incomparable. A few gangsta thugs from a people well-integrated into American society, who know only American culture, who generally do something for society, don't arrogantly and defiantly separate themselves, and don't make welfare, robbery, and begging how the overwhelming majority of them make a living, is completely opposite from what people in this thread have described. In fact, the complete irrationality of such comparisons topped by arrogant determination that they are completely correct shames me a bit that I proudly display my country next to my username.
Poor blacks in US cities != gypsies. Completely incomparable in nearly all manners, except for a few thugs that are entirely negligible compared to the entire population of blacks, and even then, I'm not so sure.
Unless there is some huge conspiracy that everyone in Europe who has dealt or lived with gypsies are terrible racists, I think the people from the Balkans in this thread are speaking more reasonably than not.
On top of that, I'm quite certain that Romanians, Bulgarians, and other southern European people know what goes on in their country better than we Americans do, not NA Internet heroes who probably have never heard of these countries outside of some random class lecture. Come live in South Central LA, then go live near gypsies. I'd love to hear your first hand accounts of why they aren't comparable at all. But clearly, when Mr Decembre talked down to me strictly because I was an American or when cloud suggested executing them with terrorist methods they weren't being racist or extremist. Jesus. Does parts of southern SD County count? Pretty bad area. Basically same as Compton but on a smaller scale. No, it is completely different than what people in this thread say about gypsies. And you don't think there are poor people in their country (but are actually a functioning part of society and grew up in it, same culture, etc.) that don't do the same shit? If you don't, then that's terrible naive. Your comparison is best related to individuals in Bulgaria who were raised and taught as proper Bulgarians who turned to crime and who are not only a negligible percentage of Bulgarians, but whose culture completely contradicts what they do on top of that. THIS is where your comparison is reasonable. To the gypsies, completely not so. I mean, I doubt the average Bulgarian family lives off welfare/begging/stealing and teaches their kids to do exactly that, don't want their kids to be educated, and are hellbent against being a part of society. Poor blacks are the complete opposite. I don't think those gangsta thugs' mommies are telling them to go be murderers and drug dealers and go to jail and fail in life. Quite the contrary. I take it you have lived in Romania and Bulgaria for many years and can make that conclusion? If not, then I think the Balkan fellows in this thread have the say, not you. Also, I don't see how DecemberTV talking to you strictly is being racist or extremist. If your parents speak to you strictly, I'm guessing you consider them racist or extremist? Secondly... Why not give them a job so they wont be forced to steal?
Perhaps you have not been keeping up with this thread, and you obviously show you know absolutely of the situation, but a shitton has been done for them, including giving them the jobs. A ton more than giving them jobs, at that. The thing is, they don't want them. The overwhelming percentage of them don't want to be a part of society, plain and simple. They aren't forced to steal. They choose to. My parents don't feel the need to blatantly talk down to me merely because I'm an American while at the same time acting like as if I'm attempting to take some moral high ground the second I, "step into this thread". The parents of people in the ghettos in L.A. not only sometimes disregard their children which leads to them seeking out gangs to become a part of but many of their parents are either currently or once were in a gang and encourage this behavior. (Apparently, this is what is so infuriating about gypsies to some people). I outright refuse to believe that gypsies as a whole desire for their children to be uneducated, some of them may but not all of them. Ah, so you haven't lived in Romania and Bulgaria for a good number of years, so you admit that the people in this thread from this countries know infinitely more than you on the subject. One point cleared. As people in this thread have said, as many, many documentaries have said, as everyday life in those countries say, the overwhelming number of gypises don't ewant to be a part of society. They're offered everything to be a part of society, including jobs and free education and free housing, but they don't want any of it. You refuse to believe reality? Well, there goes your credibility. Yes, there are some, probably 5%, who do want to be part of society (though I'm being optimistic here, because if they wanted to be a part of society, it would be very easy as they are constantly offered to do so), but does that mean the 95% isn't well-representative of the overwhelming majority? Yes they are. Lebanon is 2/3 Muslim (a lot less than 95%), and is by and large considered a Muslim country. A second point cleared. You refuse the irrationality of your comparison, and deny the fact that it would only be reasonable to what I described in my last post. By the same token, I'm sure there are parents of some proper Bulgarians who went awry who were indifferent. So basically, you reinforce the comparison I proposed is reasonable. A third point is cleared. So basically, December is generally correct, and in fact, I can't blame him for "talking down to you" (if it can even be called that) when you come in with significant ignorance of anything about his country, irrationally and arrogantly make a ludicrous and terribly absurd comparison that poor blacks = gypsies (which mind you, is extremely racist to black people to say they are all like the majority of gypsies. Nice job on the racism.), and arrogantly talk as if you know the situation inside-and-out and claim the only fault is that Romanians are terrible racists of the highest-degree. You realize how foolish that is? Now stop making us Americans look always so ignorant and dumb. We get enough shit for that. Fully paid scholarships for 4 or more years in all the top universities in Romania are RESERVED for gipsies (as in only gipsies can apply and the spots dont go to romanians if they are not occupied). There are about 10 spots for each branch of each university and on average 1 or 2 out of 10 will be applied for. But this is only 1 example. I would really like to know if you treat your minorities so well in the USA. ^_^; The fact that only 1 or 2 out of the 10 are applied for should show u just how big the problem is. Also, the fact that you dont seem to understand this also reinforces the fact that your a racist.
It is indeed a problem when a group of people are so full of themselves that they're given endless opportunity and are defiantly opposed to being a part of society because they're too special for it. Ironically, they have no problem consistently taking and stealing from it.
Helping them become educated starts at the bottom though, if you don't help them get and stay in school when they are young then you can't expect them to mystically be able to go to universities.
As has been stated many times in this thread, lower education is free. It's just the gypsies don't want to go to school, or go for a very limited period. I see you do not reply to my last reply to you. Truth hurts, huh?
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