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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 20 2011 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Kitaman, what do you think of my earlier post (about sandroba)?
Until he makes a serious case on someone, he's not at the top of my town list.
On September 20 2011 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I meant to say chaoser posted his "thoughts" about DrH 30min AFTER he died.
I think he is posting about how DrH played day 1, so we can use that to find other scum that may be connected. That's a pretty typical thing to do after a scum flips.
On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote:
The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles.
What does not double stacking prplhz or wiggles have to do with the hit. That's basically saying there weren't 5 kp during the night.
On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:21 Palmar wrote:On September 20 2011 23:11 syllogism wrote:
Palmar please give me a reason to believe you are town besides your resurrection mafia-esque apathy . It will do for now, but you've to start posting. And lol at you claiming that you would have been pushing for DrH if you had cared enough.
Why do you think Radfield is town, given that Erandorr flipped town and based on his post earlier today he was going to go for two additional town lynches (chaos13 and me)? And now he finds his own wagon scummy, even me despite specifically wanting me to switch. Speaking of the lynch, it was still better than WBG/prplplz lynches. I may be tunneling due to the night kills making very little sense (saurun's ability allowed them to kill whoever they wanted), because he IS contributing more than anyone really. I'll have to find one of his scum games to see what his scum play looks like. Anything more recent than Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Mafia? look no further than close casket mafia. Yes, but that was a no flip game so I was hoping something more standard
Try Salem. Do you intend to push Radfield/Palmar or anyone else within the next few hours?
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On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote:
The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles.
Or then mafia didn't hit anyone and made chaoser claim a hit, that coudn't be counterclaimed?
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote:
The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles.
Also, why is it very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit?
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On September 20 2011 23:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I meant to say chaoser posted his "thoughts" about DrH 30min AFTER he died.
I think he is posting about how DrH played day 1, so we can use that to find other scum that may be connected. That's a pretty typical thing to do after a scum flips.
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And still he was defending DrH day 1, even in day 2 before DrH flipped? Also I was suspicious about him in the beginning of day 2, whe i read the whole thread over. I actually find supersoft likely to be town, so why wouldn't he defend us earlier? Those DrH post are pretty old though.
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On September 20 2011 23:32 kitaman27 wrote:
Try Salem. Do you intend to push Radfield/Palmar or anyone else within the next few hours?
Unlikely as I prefer to spend the first 24 hours discussing and despite being somewhat suspicious of Radfield, I think it's more optimal to wait at least until day 3 given his activity and him being a likely NK target if he is town aligned. I don't like how Palmar is playing, but it's more due to his apathy and in fact he is so far looking more like his town play in swedish house mafia/resurrection/post day 1 XLIV, than his typical scum play.
I agree with sandroba's list though, so that's definitely where my focus will be.
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Damn these quoting.. But i guess you got my point Kita.
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On September 20 2011 23:38 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote:
The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles. Also, why is it very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit?
Why would they hit WBG? From mafia perspective he was either a possibly bullet proof third party or a lying town, and either way a likely vig target or a lynch candidate. Moreover, look at the list of players in the game and try to come up with a scum team that would prioritize wbg, especially given the other aforementioned factors.
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On September 20 2011 23:43 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:38 kitaman27 wrote:On September 20 2011 23:24 syllogism wrote:
The issue with chaoser being scum is that it's very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit, so if they have the standard 3 kp, there is one KP missing and no one else has claimed a hit. I suppose it's possible mafia hit SK (the real gollum? would make sense for him to kill wbg I suppose and the flavor would fit) and thus he was free to claim the hit, but it's more likely that he really was hit. No way they double stacked prplhz or wiggles. Also, why is it very unlikely that WBG was a mafia hit? Why would they hit WBG? From mafia perspective he was either a possibly bullet proof third party or a lying town, and either way a likely vig target or a lynch candidate. Moreover, look at the list of players in the game and try to come up with a scum team that would prioritize wbg, especially given the other aforementioned factors.
Actually i you consider my scenario about sandroba being mafia, it's very likely. He stated that WBG is his most pro town read.
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I think that's a bit of a stretch, mafia generally like killing people rayn, I like most everything else you're posting. We have no idea how many kp are actually in this game, could be a crazy amount. So what I'm saying is that your case on chaoser is not bad, but you can't base it around the assumption mafia held their shots.
@jcarl: sure, I played one game with you and you spent most of the time defending mafia and voting townies. I don't wanna be a dick though, so here's a hint: Re-read what you posted about my play.
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On September 19 2011 13:25 sandroba wrote:
Yo WBG man, talk to me. Are you really 3rd party, and was that claim for real? Why are you putting so much effort into scum hunting if your only goal is to find the ring?
I don't really understand your play so far. You know what's funny, except for the part where you claim 3rd party you are actually one of my strongest town reads atm.
Also I believe Cyrandor claimed some interesting tidbits about prplhz and no one seemed to give a shit. Chaoser wtf man? Why didn't you look more into cyrandor's claim if prplhz was your main suspicion day1? Do you really think 2 mafia would tie themselves to each other day1 this easy?
ON and GGQ need to post more. These guys have the annoying habbit of lurking as both alignments so I never feel safe lynching them when they go into hardcore lurker mode. Could you please commit a bit more time this game so I can burn you alive if you are scum?
Palmar, you too man. Just because you roll scum 20x doesn't mean you are going to fool me by statistics again =P
Here is the post to be exact.
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On September 20 2011 23:52 Palmar wrote:
I think that's a bit of a stretch, mafia generally like killing people rayn, I like most everything else you're posting. We have no idea how many kp are actually in this game, could be a crazy amount. So what I'm saying is that your case on chaoser is not bad, but you can't base it around the assumption mafia held their shots.
@jcarl: sure, I played one game with you and you spent most of the time defending mafia and voting townies. I don't wanna be a dick though, so here's a hint: Re-read what you posted about my play.
It could've been a SK shot too, read my post above.
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yeah, exactly. I was just making sure you weren't bending the evidence to fit the case, as opposed to bending the case to fit the evidence. Chaoser is a good player, let's just see what his reads are, because I think I've got a pretty good idea on chunks of this game. If he's wrong too much we hang him.
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On September 18 2011 08:46 iGrok wrote:
Theres no way he would have a ring-stealing ability with no way to search for it. Think about that
This is interesting considering Sauron flipped and has such an ability. Why would someone who can just steal the ring first check for it? Or maybe you assumed he could do two night actions?
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I actually think I'm grasping too on this game. Though I might be horribly wrong. But we'll see. :D
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Palmar, what are you're scum reads. You seem to think that everyone is town aligned this game which is wildly different than the last game we played together. Find me some scum.
On September 20 2011 23:40 syllogism wrote:
I agree with sandroba's list though, so that's definitely where my focus will be.
What are your actual thoughts on Sandro's list. Who is top among those 5/6 players
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Syllo, what are your thought about sandroba? Do you think he is 100% town or can you even consider otherwise. If so, why?
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Oh noes. Got to go, just when I was on fire. I'll be back after ~5h, or then tomorrow ~17:00 CET. Think hard guys.
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Radfield, I'm looking at iGrok. I haven't gotten overly scummy vibes from anyone else (apart from DrH, but he's dead).
Syllogism is... dangerous, he's echoing what Sandroba and I are saying which makes sense if he's town, but he'd do it as scum anyway, because as soon as he disagrees on bad reasoning he's scum. He has made a few good calls though, but I expect him too, both as scum and town.
So the rest are probably lurking, or they're people like Jackal whose alignment I simply can't deduce due to him having a meta of being useless/wrong enough as town that I can't figure him out as scum.
Thing is, townies like posting more than mafia does, and I have quite a few good town reads. I'm actually reading now, so it'll pick up soon enough. We can only lynch one guy today anyway, and iGrok is a great candidate.
Go compare his style this game to his style as town in Ace's game, I'm not talking about content or amount, I'm talking about attitude and context.
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On September 20 2011 23:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This is why I suspect chaoser:
He thinks DrH is town, i'll come back to that later.
Still trusty for DrH, also to sandroba, which I find somewhat suspicious.
He posts this AFTER DrH died. WTF?
You're literally basing all your accusations on the fact that I thought DrH was townie...Even vets have off days. If I was mafia
1) why would I say my opinion about DrH and Drazerk being townie-ish RIGHT at the beginning of the game when there was obviously no pressure on either one of them.
2) why would I claim I got shot when there's no pressure on me? Even if it hit a third party, the risk of him counter claiming to get a mafia lynched is very high since that would get him town-cred.
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