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Radfield is a cool guy and Errandor has done nothing that looks like town posting.
WBG is almost definitely not scum, just put yourselves in his shoes, why the shit would he post the things he's done if he was scum, he's basically piling on attention and scummyness by wanting to look for his precious, outright demanding it.
I'll be voting for Errandor.
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To clarify all I'm saying is we should never artificially split bandwagons. If someone is obviously scum and everyone is content with that there is no reason to split the bandwagon. That helps mafia. Usually singular bandwagons form naturally because a player is obviously anti-town and that's a good thing. Tunneling can be a good thing. I would never advocate singling exactly one player out for the entirety of voting/discussion every day and I never did. Huge misunderstanding. Of course there should be multiple lynch candidates. All I'm saying LITERALLY ALL IM SAYING is that when the entire town jumps onto one target this isn't necessarily a bad thing. And a pure exact 50/50 bandwagon is a good thing for mafia because they can split votes and ALWAYS ensure the innocent player is the one who gets lynched.
Also I never said we should wait for 100% scum. I would rather lynch SK if there are literally no convincing scum reads. However like I said (never used the term 100%) I would definitely vote for someone I thought was mafia over someone I though was SK but on Day 1, as it is, there is no one I have a strong read for (and I have a lot o freading to catch up on and my mind will probably change). Also I think there is still a pretty strong chance WBG is mafia because his earlier behavior was considerably scummy and from the environment we have he would have known he could get away with posting like that. Lots of scum have done worse. I have absolutely no reason to believe WBG can't be scum. Please stop misrepresenting me and twisting my thoughts and words
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On September 19 2011 05:19 Palmar wrote: Radfield is a cool guy and Errandor has done nothing that looks like town posting.
WBG is almost definitely not scum, just put yourselves in his shoes, why the shit would he post the things he's done if he was scum, he's basically piling on attention and scummyness by wanting to look for his precious, outright demanding it.
I'll be voting for Errandor.
"why would a scum player act so scummy?" terrible reasoning btw
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Still in good mood, cba telling you why you're having a case of the bads.
I don't like the case on prplhz either.
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On September 19 2011 03:34 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm going to vote Jackal. I'm not convinced on prplhz.
It should be fairly obvious that I'm an easy lynch for mafia. I'm not scum.
##unvote Archon_Toilet ##vote Jackal58
I suggest we look at Archon_Toilet, Dr. H, and Drazerk more carefully, particularly after the lynch. None of them have contributed anything; all the voters on me have feigned contribution by essentially voting me and saying nothing else. yeah no case against you could possibly be contribution right
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Okay why on earth do we have 2 people attempting to start new wagons with like 3 hours until lynch, we are not lynching supersoft or erandorr today and if you leave your votes there for the lynch you'll be my first targets come tomorrow.
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i think vain and chaoser are acting pretty weird right now, chaoser was on my back earlier and now he's suddenly on supersoft's back with a weak case looks like he's trying to distance himself from me Where do I talk about supersoft?
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Radfield
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On September 19 2011 05:05 Vain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 04:48 Radfield wrote:Errandor is a fantastic Day 1 vote. Lets break down what we're looking for: 1. Low-Mid range activity 2. Vote Contradictions 3. Paragraphy vote posts with BS reasoning 4. 'Contribution' posts that say nothing + Show Spoiler +Lol I think Wbg is just trying to be palmar right now (which is a pretty fucking stupid idea)
If there are post restrictions I would be really surprised because Curu really hates those things . But then he might just take it out on us or do it for some sort of balance reasons so its pure speculation. First post details that WBG is probably just trolling, and while stupid, isn't really worth much attention. Frankly I agree, but whoops with his second real post Errandor is now willing to vote out WBG: + Show Spoiler +I want Wbg out of this. If he is town aligned then hes just shitting up the thread and then doing some analysis which doesnt help us because we have to spend so much time dealing with all his other crap. If he is anything else we want him dead anyway so I am totally cool with that. And I really cant imagine that he has a post restriction that makes him post like a complete idiot half of the time . ## Vote Wbg We've gone from WBG trolling to now being worthy of getting lynched day 1. This is the most BS post in the thread right now. First we have the contradiction. Second we have the justification that even if he is town, he's worth getting rid of. NOPE. I realize that's not precisely what's been written, but that is absolutely the intent. Third, this is a complete and utter bandwagon. WBG picks up a couple votes, and Erandorr slides into the scene. Fourth you add in a bit of extra post restriction business which does nothing but cut him down. This is not why we vote! This entire post is showing that Errandor justification for voting WBG is not in fact that he's scum, but rather a bad townie who deserves to die. An hour and a half later, Errandor posts this: "Okay I read the whole thread now." Whoops scum slip. Why are you voting for a player AND THEN reading the thread? Not how townies play. This is all followed by a bunch more suspicion on WBG, but no actual points against him: + Show Spoiler +I forgot to vote earlier but lets just get wbg out of the game, I feel really uncomfortably by what he was doing. The reason I want you out is that you clearly have an agenda other than catching scum. That just makes me uncomfortable. You now seem to start contributing, but still will not tell us why you behave the way you do. you dont ask for the ring in every post, so its clearly not that, and just trolled at the start and messed up the thread. I agree with most of your targets, actually, but could you just go back to xliv and compare your behaviour now to that of palmar and then remember how that turned out? To paraphrase: "You're actually playing good now, but you trolled before. You're targets are all good, but your behaviour is bad" It's hard to justify killing townies when you're scum isn't it? Errandor is very scummy, and likely the best vote we'll get: ##Vote: Erandorr Well at least this looks better than than the 3 other cases. I didn't even know he posted that much>.> I will be switching votes due to my first suspicion only being based on a feeling. Though i'll be weary of dr. H
I don't necessarily disagree on Dr H, but no matter what his alignment he'll be active. Time will tell if he's scum or not.
Since you're here DocH, what are you're thoughts on Errandor. Do you still find WBG suspicious despite the upswing in his posting?
On September 19 2011 05:09 syllogism wrote: And yes, Erandorr is a solid candidate as far as newer players go
Solid enough for you to vote for him?
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On September 19 2011 05:29 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 05:05 Vain wrote:On September 19 2011 04:48 Radfield wrote:Errandor is a fantastic Day 1 vote. Lets break down what we're looking for: 1. Low-Mid range activity 2. Vote Contradictions 3. Paragraphy vote posts with BS reasoning 4. 'Contribution' posts that say nothing + Show Spoiler +Lol I think Wbg is just trying to be palmar right now (which is a pretty fucking stupid idea)
If there are post restrictions I would be really surprised because Curu really hates those things . But then he might just take it out on us or do it for some sort of balance reasons so its pure speculation. First post details that WBG is probably just trolling, and while stupid, isn't really worth much attention. Frankly I agree, but whoops with his second real post Errandor is now willing to vote out WBG: + Show Spoiler +I want Wbg out of this. If he is town aligned then hes just shitting up the thread and then doing some analysis which doesnt help us because we have to spend so much time dealing with all his other crap. If he is anything else we want him dead anyway so I am totally cool with that. And I really cant imagine that he has a post restriction that makes him post like a complete idiot half of the time . ## Vote Wbg We've gone from WBG trolling to now being worthy of getting lynched day 1. This is the most BS post in the thread right now. First we have the contradiction. Second we have the justification that even if he is town, he's worth getting rid of. NOPE. I realize that's not precisely what's been written, but that is absolutely the intent. Third, this is a complete and utter bandwagon. WBG picks up a couple votes, and Erandorr slides into the scene. Fourth you add in a bit of extra post restriction business which does nothing but cut him down. This is not why we vote! This entire post is showing that Errandor justification for voting WBG is not in fact that he's scum, but rather a bad townie who deserves to die. An hour and a half later, Errandor posts this: "Okay I read the whole thread now." Whoops scum slip. Why are you voting for a player AND THEN reading the thread? Not how townies play. This is all followed by a bunch more suspicion on WBG, but no actual points against him: + Show Spoiler +I forgot to vote earlier but lets just get wbg out of the game, I feel really uncomfortably by what he was doing. The reason I want you out is that you clearly have an agenda other than catching scum. That just makes me uncomfortable. You now seem to start contributing, but still will not tell us why you behave the way you do. you dont ask for the ring in every post, so its clearly not that, and just trolled at the start and messed up the thread. I agree with most of your targets, actually, but could you just go back to xliv and compare your behaviour now to that of palmar and then remember how that turned out? To paraphrase: "You're actually playing good now, but you trolled before. You're targets are all good, but your behaviour is bad" It's hard to justify killing townies when you're scum isn't it? Errandor is very scummy, and likely the best vote we'll get: ##Vote: Erandorr Well at least this looks better than than the 3 other cases. I didn't even know he posted that much>.> I will be switching votes due to my first suspicion only being based on a feeling. Though i'll be weary of dr. H I don't necessarily disagree on Dr H, but no matter what his alignment he'll be active. Time will tell if he's scum or not. Since you're here DocH, what are you're thoughts on Errandor. Do you still find WBG suspicious despite the upswing in his posting? Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 05:09 syllogism wrote: And yes, Erandorr is a solid candidate as far as newer players go Solid enough for you to vote for him? I'm considering it right now, based on the likely alternatives. Due to time zone constraints I'll be off within 30 minutes, so I won't be able to react based on how voting develops. Given that I don't find WBG and prplhz to be good lynches, I'll likely switch before I'm off. I don't think Jackal has done anything to make him look townier since my vote, however.
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I think it's quite probable Errandor is scum and misunderstands my reasons for voting for WBG and is trying to parrot/hide behind my bandwagon. However, if I have to switch my vote I personally get a worse feeling from Supersoft and chaos13 did a pretty good job of pointing out that very strange inconsistency.
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On September 19 2011 03:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Jackal is additionally suspicious because he says he knows how I play yet he seems to have completely forgotten my appearance in Ace's game.
I was hella scummy in Ace's game and I fucking flipped medic. I have my own reasons for WHAT I do, but that doesn't make me scum. Well sorry for giving you credit as some one I took to be a good player then. You played scummy as town in Aces game and lost it for us. And no I never said we should give you the ring AND lynch you. AND and OR are two completely different words with different meanings. I still stand by my statement. Who ever has the ring give it to him and get him out of here. He's playing for his own reasons. He doesn't give a shit about town. If he doesn't get it lynch him. He's useless.
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On September 19 2011 05:18 prplhz wrote: jackal, i don't have that kind of meta with you, i just know that you're a veteran and i think it's very often better to pressure a veteran to do sensible things that pressure a noob, 'cause a noob will most likely just dig a deeper hole for himself (hi, i'm prplhz, and since i started talking the votes have been piling up on me)
i like the erandorr analysis even though i think you're missing that scum we're most likely just sitting back enjoying the show while wbg shat the thread up. i have no idea who erandorr is and i'm having a hard time forming an opinion on him, i'm leaning town but as it is right now i'll have to vote to stay alive.
i think vain and chaoser are acting pretty weird right now, chaoser was on my back earlier and now he's suddenly on supersoft's back with a weak case looks like he's trying to distance himself from me What I have learned about my day 1 reads. 95% of the time I'm wrong. What I have learned about my day 3 reads. 75% of the time I'm right. That's why I die night 2. The only thing I'm fairly confident of right now is Bugs is most likely 3rd party. I'd rather lynch 3rd party than mislynch a townie.
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the case against me is pretty fleeting, from my point of view it's a bandwagon that's slowly been building, there's never been any pbp analysis or anything, just a bunch of people i have never seen or heard about before slowly deciding that they're gonna put their vote on me and go away and this pretty much sucks. i'd rather lynch wbg than me too in case he actually turns out to be 3rd party, it's better than me dying anyway.
i'd also like for as many people to be around until deadline as possible in case something happens.
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I don't think Jackal lynch is happening, and at least he is now around posting his thoughts. Jackal if you are town you need to stop fixating on WBG as lynching is generally a bad method for disposing third parties when they aren't bullet proof. If he is a third party he could of course be lying about a number of things, but his behaviour so far makes slightly more sense in the context of him being a role who only has to find the ring.
##unvote ##vote Erandorr
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On September 19 2011 05:51 syllogism wrote: I don't think Jackal lynch is happening, and at least he is now around posting his thoughts. Jackal if you are town you need to stop fixating on WBG as lynching is generally a bad method for disposing third parties when they aren't bullet proof. If he is a third party he could of course be lying about a number of things, but his behaviour so far makes slightly more sense in the context of him being a role who only has to find the ring.
##unvote ##vote Erandorr Wouldn't that make him 3rd party? Or am I misunderstanding what you said?
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gogo erandorr
##Unvote ##Vote: Erandorr
the wbg bandwagon is dead, it's probably me or erandorr, people who voted wbg needs to think their shit through carefully (and so do the people who voted for me)
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The case against Erandorr is better than against you, prplhz. Different mindsets, but I'd rather we lynch you or Erandorr than someone whom we all believe isn't mafia (WBG). The last thing I want is enough people switching their votes from you to Erandorr to place WBG in the lead for the lynch. If enough people switch over, I'll be sure to check back in at least once (hopefully) before the end of day to make the switch.
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On September 19 2011 05:37 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 03:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Jackal is additionally suspicious because he says he knows how I play yet he seems to have completely forgotten my appearance in Ace's game.
I was hella scummy in Ace's game and I fucking flipped medic. I have my own reasons for WHAT I do, but that doesn't make me scum. Well sorry for giving you credit as some one I took to be a good player then. You played scummy as town in Aces game and lost it for us. And no I never said we should give you the ring AND lynch you. AND and OR are two completely different words with different meanings. I still stand by my statement. Who ever has the ring give it to him and get him out of here. He's playing for his own reasons. He doesn't give a shit about town. If he doesn't get it lynch him. He's useless.
What makes you think that if WBG gets the ring, he and the ring will leave the game?
Let's just say I have a rather...personal interest in this.
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I am very suspicious of this Erandorr lynch, I do not think that it could pop up this quickly without scum help, why did everyone choose erandorr over supersoft? They both were accused about the same time and with similar reasons.
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Also:
On September 19 2011 05:08 chaos13 wrote:Sorry I haven't been around, been busy, and this may be my only chance to post today. I will be voting for supersoft. Let's take a look at some of his posts: Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 20:26 supersoft wrote: i was thinking the same about wbg and I also filtered him. wbgs post seem to be artificial to me.
Take note of this - he thinks WBG is scummy. While he doesn't say it outright (not wanting to commit to a stance) he implies it by saying it's 'artificial'. Now we've got his opinion on a bunch of different players, and in the post following this one he states that these are the players he is most suspicious of. Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 09:25 supersoft wrote: okay I just catched up and made my notes.
chaoser votes Greymist to start the discussion and pressure him (doesnt really vote in the thread) DrH and Drazerk follow him on that - therefore he concludes that they are probably town.
„From that action, I'm leaning on Dr.H and Drazerk being town since they immediately pick up on what I'm trying to do and votes to put pressure on greymist.“
This might be some kind of a scumslip. I don't know why he posts that. They are not under pressure and he's not under pressure.
He also votes prplhz. I don't think prplhz is a better lynchcandidate than Greymist. Chaoser is suspicious in my eyes
Not once has he mentioned either Greymist or prplhz previously, and he provides no reasons for his reads here. Apparently because chaoser disagrees with supersoft's unspoken reads, that makes him suspicious. This is not townie behavior.
GreYMisT He made a joke about the ring in his first post. Chaoser DrH and Drazerk vote him. I defend him and say it probably was a joke. He comes back and says that chaoser and DrH provided good reasons for their votes on him? - Suspicious. Obviously they had no good reasons, they just wanted to start a discussion. Okay. Later on he agrees with me and says it was a joke.
Recaps what Greymist has done this game. Cool. That provides nothing useful at all, anyone could have done this. Weak reason for being suspicious. Again, not townie behavior.
@ Navillus ah, you claim VT. I'd like to know what race you are. like hobbit/dwarf etc. Just curious. Can you say your name? I just want to know.
Why is this guy on your suspicious list?
@ Drazerk
How do you know, that postrestricions are definetely in place. Are you restricted? I'll filter you :-P
about Drazerk: He votes grey, thinks he posted a reason before, but hasnt... lol
Again, just repeating what's happened so far. Providing nothing new or useful.
iGrok
Votes Drazerk. Gives no reason. I expect way more out of him. I saw him play as GF in my first mafiagame on TL.net. He made huge posts, gave reasons etc. If you're town, please give some more reasons etc.
Best reasoning so far, but still weak. His entire explanation here is that he plays better; doesn't find any scummy behavior, just that he isn't townie enough.
@ TranceStorm your plan sucks.
Bad plan =/= scum. Besides, his plan really isn't that bad. I can't see any way in which it will hurt us badly.
Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 09:28 supersoft wrote: these players are suspicious for me so far. WBG isn't he could be everything. He also could be Bilbo who's crazy and just wants his ring back; he could be Gollum; he could be Sauron. Whatever, we don't know. Remember earlier when I was talking about what sort of contradictions are scumtells and which aren't? This is one that is a scum tell. For no apparent reason, WBG is no longer suspicious. In fact, supersoft doesn't commit to any particular stance here. After feeling WBG was artificial, he could now be absolutely anything. This encompasses two different mafia characteristics in one: 1. Contradiction of opinion without new evidence 2. Non-committal wishy-washy stance These are the only posts with notable content from supersoft. He's scum. ##Vote supersoft
A pretty useless vote. Having this and the erandorr votes starting at the same time is doing nothing to help town.
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