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On September 19 2011 04:20 prplhz wrote:
in case i didn't make it clear i thought that drh could do better and he was acting weird, that's why i voted him first. when that didn't catch on too well i switched to jack, another person who i thought should be doing a lot better. think it's too late for me to move my vote so i doubt i'm gonna do that.
i have attacked just about 1 guy and only said that 3 people were scummy, i'm sure you can find other people who have thrown more accusations around 'cause that's not really too bad. i think most of all this voting me is because cyriander suddenly came out of nowhere and said i was a good guy and apparently i'm his pal or something, but you should really be questioning him instead 'cause that's very weird day1 after a couple of posts from me that i agree could be interpreted as scummy ... but this is too late and something that can be done tomorrow. i think people should switch their votes to wbg me and jack.
i also want to tell sandroba and palmar that i have the eru-iluvatar-given ability to instantly kill them at my will if they don't start posting.
You made a long analysis to justify why you voted for Dr. H. Then you changed to Jackal (after he had already received a couple of votes) saying that you wanted to pressure him. There is still no justification at all for you vote. Considering that you had already shown that you were willing to give analysis on other people, I find your vote super suspicious hence my vote.
Now you say that it's too late for you to move your vote. You still haven't justified your vote at all, and are basically admitting that you didn't have one in the first place.
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Im not voting WBG, he reeks of the weird combination of my play in PTP2 and incogs play (althought not as strong) in PYPI.
Frankly I see Prpl as a decent lynch, but I see the reasoning behind Jackal at the same time.
This however seems kind of off to me,
i also want to tell sandroba and palmar that i have the eru-iluvatar-given ability to instantly kill them at my will if they don't start posting.
Basically hes soft claiming some sort of day vigilante, would you care to explain this better prpl?
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i think jack is scummy so i want him to post. the more posts with content, the more you can tune in on his alignment. i'd probably rather lynch drh over jack. i don't really see why you are voting for me, there's not a single reason in your post, this makes it hard to defend myself and i'm starting to feel the heat for some reason.
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i voted for jackal because he is a dude who is supposed to be doing a lot better than he is right now. i think town isn't doing too great and i kinda miss some vocal veteran who can try to get something cool going 'cause i'm not doing a very good job even though i tried with the drh lynch. jack is a dude who can do this but he's just sitting there and watching everything burn, wbg and some other's were up for lynching but i didn't find them very likely to be scum. also it doesn't make too much sense to pressure vote a guy who talks insanity (wbg) 'cause he's already talking and he's not making sense. wbg is clearly better to keep in this game than jackal, 'cause we have plenty of vets who aren't saying much but we only have one crazy ring hungry guy. jack needs to say something and he needs to do something good for town 'cause i know he's able to do this.
@ON
are you insane? no i don't have the ability to kill two random players instantly if they don't post enough for my liking, what the fuck?
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also, drh fits the reasons for my jack vote too, he's not doing as good as i'd expect and i think that that is very weird, he is arguing for silly things like "lets just have one candidate for lynching" and "lets wait for a guy who is 100% scum before we lynch scum, until then we just lynch 3rd party" and a lot of you agree that that is a terrible agenda. but drh wasn't going anywhere so i switched to jack.
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[QUOTE]On September 19 2011 04:34 prplhz wrote:
i voted for jackal because he is a dude who is supposed to be doing a lot better than he is right now. i think town isn't doing too great and i kinda miss some vocal veteran who can try to get something cool going 'cause i'm not doing a very good job even though i tried with the drh lynch. jack is a dude who can do this but he's just sitting there and watching everything burn, wbg and some other's were up for lynching but i didn't find them very likely to be scum. also it doesn't make too much sense to pressure vote a guy who talks insanity (wbg) 'cause he's already talking and he's not making sense. wbg is clearly better to keep in this game than jackal, 'cause we have plenty of vets who aren't saying much but we only have one crazy ring hungry guy. jack needs to say something and he needs to do something good for town 'cause i know he's able to do this.
@ON
are you insane? no i don't have the ability to kill two random players instantly if they don't post enough for my liking, what the fuck?[/QUOTE]
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##Vote Prplhz
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@ON
is that the most blatant omgus i have ever seen?
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On September 19 2011 04:37 prplhz wrote:
@ON
is that the most blatant omgus i have ever seen?
Then your completely out of your fucking mind.
You claim ability to kill two random lurkers given by god.
Then laugh in my face.
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.... how can you not get that i was not being serious with that? i have complained about sandroba and palmar before in a very joking way, wanting palmar to talk more just because he lives in iceland and that is to the north, this is a continuation because neither of them reacted and i kinda want them to talk because i miss them.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Errandor is a fantastic Day 1 vote. Lets break down what we're looking for:
1. Low-Mid range activity
2. Vote Contradictions
3. Paragraphy vote posts with BS reasoning
4. 'Contribution' posts that say nothing
+ Show Spoiler +Lol I think Wbg is just trying to be palmar right now (which is a pretty fucking stupid idea)
If there are post restrictions I would be really surprised because Curu really hates those things . But then he might just take it out on us or do it for some sort of balance reasons so its pure speculation.
First post details that WBG is probably just trolling, and while stupid, isn't really worth much attention. Frankly I agree, but whoops with his second real post Errandor is now willing to vote out WBG:
+ Show Spoiler +I want Wbg out of this.
If he is town aligned then hes just shitting up the thread and then doing some analysis which doesnt help us because we have to spend so much time dealing with all his other crap. If he is anything else we want him dead anyway so I am totally cool with that.
And I really cant imagine that he has a post restriction that makes him post like a complete idiot half of the time .
## Vote Wbg
We've gone from WBG trolling to now being worthy of getting lynched day 1. This is the most BS post in the thread right now. First we have the contradiction. Second we have the justification that even if he is town, he's worth getting rid of. NOPE. I realize that's not precisely what's been written, but that is absolutely the intent. Third, this is a complete and utter bandwagon. WBG picks up a couple votes, and Erandorr slides into the scene. Fourth you add in a bit of extra post restriction business which does nothing but cut him down. This is not why we vote! This entire post is showing that Errandor justification for voting WBG is not in fact that he's scum, but rather a bad townie who deserves to die.
An hour and a half later, Errandor posts this:
"Okay I read the whole thread now."
Whoops scum slip. Why are you voting for a player AND THEN reading the thread? Not how townies play.
This is all followed by a bunch more suspicion on WBG, but no actual points against him:
+ Show Spoiler +I forgot to vote earlier but lets just get wbg out of the game, I feel really uncomfortably by what he was doing. The reason I want you out is that you clearly have an agenda other than catching scum. That just makes me uncomfortable.
You now seem to start contributing, but still will not tell us why you behave the way you do. you dont ask for the ring in every post, so its clearly not that, and just trolled at the start and messed up the thread. I agree with most of your targets, actually, but could you just go back to xliv and compare your behaviour now to that of palmar and then remember how that turned out?
To paraphrase: "You're actually playing good now, but you trolled before. You're targets are all good, but your behaviour is bad"
It's hard to justify killing townies when you're scum isn't it?
Errandor is very scummy, and likely the best vote we'll get:
##Vote: Erandorr
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
ON what do you think of Erandorr?
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Yeah, i don't think Prplhz is mafia. Far too easy bandwagon and at least he tries to contribute. Another funny thing is that Mr wiggels first takes the time to call syllogism because he names up a few people and then votes another one but at the same time Wiggles doesn't give a reason to vote for Prplhz either aside from "seeming mafia".
I don't think any of the three leading lynches are good idea's. WBG isn't posting total crap anymore, yes his start was a bit iffy but you can't point to that as scum behaviour. He could be 3rd party but why would we lynch a maybe-3r party at day one when he could also help us get rid of the ring?
Then we have jackal who is voted for because he didn't contribute enough? Really? There are many more players who haven't contributed at all but are not due to be lynched.
I find that the players that voted for Wbg in the first place are much more suspicious than any of those three for now. I had a very uneasy feeling with Dr.H when i started reading all the pages i was behind and i still have it now. I can't really put my finger on it but to me it's the best target we have.
When players say things like "We can't spend this whole game talking about roles. Scumhunting is #1"i always get uneasy. So my vote goes to him for now
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On September 19 2011 04:23 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 17:37 syllogism wrote:Currently I'd like to lynch someone who has clearly been around and posted some while not saying anything worthwhile. I'm not particularly interested in going after newer players for "bad logic", "bad plans" or perceived "contradictions" as they say almost nothing about their alignment when I can't tell whether I should expect better from them. Moreover I'd expect the scum team to consist of ~4 veterans and ~2 newer players, again making it more worthwhile to lynch a veteran. The obvious downside is that veterans tend to post more and as the pool of veterans, it gets easier to spot the ones who shouldn't still be alive later on. Regardless, the following people fit the above criteria: Jackal, GGQ, possibly iGrokIn addition, Vain's posts thus far have been so devoid of content that he looks like a decent alternative, despite not exactly being a veteran. Drazerk apologizing for going away for a few hours looks somewhat off too, given that his activity hasn't exactly been very high anyway. Unfortunately a bunch of veterans are getting away with posting nothing at all (Jeejee/Sandroba/Palmar), but at least the latter two have an excuse due to not being around and I'm willing to ignore jeejee on day 1 due to his recent game history. Lynching WBG is a waste of time unless we've a reason to believe he has KP or that he could be a scum fake claiming. The former is unlikely given the OP specifically implies that there are roles with the ability to steal items and having both abilities might be redundant if we believe his win con is simply to obtain the ring. Further, it's rather unlikely a SK would open claim day 1 as we would obviously get suspicious if night KP/flavor indicates that there is a SK. As for the possibility of him being scum, the claim again makes no sense as Gollum is a very likely character to be present in the game and having gollum as a scum safe claim seems unfair. I suppose it's possible for gollum to be scum aligned rather than a neutral party, but again it makes no sense to claim as it still makes him a likely vig target. ##vote Jackal Haha, this looks so scummy to me. Instead of looking for people who are acting scummy, you want to try to lynch people based on usefulness. This isn't too bad in itself, but then instead of giving concrete examples for each of the players you listed, you bring up 5 other players and give reasons why they're good lynch targets as well (But not as good as the first three). Then you spend the latter half of your post talking about WBG instead of the 8 lynch targets you brought up. So, instead of focusing on one player who is scummy, you bring up 3 targets, give no specific reasons for voting any of them, and then add 5 other targets to that pile as well, before what looks like just a random vote among them. Talk about spreading out focus. FOS SyllogismAlso, while I'm at it, Syllo, what do you think of prplhz?
I don't find any of the behaviour I noted scummy by itself, because most players on TL tend to be illogical. There are some players I hold to a higher standards, and indeed I find them easier to read. Contradictions can be scummy, but can often be attributed to poor logic by either reader or the author. Only four of the people I listed in my post were presented as lynch candidates, and the three names were clearly highlighted as the ones I'd focus on today. Twisting words if scummy behaviour, so either you misread or have an agenda; jeejee/palmar/sandroba were noted for their complete lack of thread presence and correctly so. Do you disagree? I have never seen you FoS someone and then vote for someone else, which is also curious. However, your scum play seems blander than this so perhaps it's just that I haven't seen you play town enough.
I found prplhz fairly suspicious, quite similar to Vain, as his early posts were complete fluff, but his case against Dr.H seemed genuine, even if I disagree with most of the content. If you haven't noticed, I'm nowadays quite against lynching newer players unless the case amounts to something other than "he isn't making sense". Non-contributing veterans are generally better targets. The connection you attempt to draw between me and WBG is pretty hilarious, given I'm the one who got him to claim third party and his alleged win con, which clearly made him a lynch candidate and a very likely eventual vig target.
Do you think switching vote is scummy behaviour? Is it scummier than throwing your vote away when it becomes clear your candidate of choice isn't going to get lynched? What is the scum motivation for switching, unless WBG is scum?
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On September 19 2011 04:48 Radfield wrote:Errandor is a fantastic Day 1 vote. Lets break down what we're looking for: 1. Low-Mid range activity 2. Vote Contradictions 3. Paragraphy vote posts with BS reasoning 4. 'Contribution' posts that say nothing + Show Spoiler +Lol I think Wbg is just trying to be palmar right now (which is a pretty fucking stupid idea)
If there are post restrictions I would be really surprised because Curu really hates those things . But then he might just take it out on us or do it for some sort of balance reasons so its pure speculation. First post details that WBG is probably just trolling, and while stupid, isn't really worth much attention. Frankly I agree, but whoops with his second real post Errandor is now willing to vote out WBG: Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +I want Wbg out of this.
If he is town aligned then hes just shitting up the thread and then doing some analysis which doesnt help us because we have to spend so much time dealing with all his other crap. If he is anything else we want him dead anyway so I am totally cool with that.
And I really cant imagine that he has a post restriction that makes him post like a complete idiot half of the time .
## Vote Wbg We've gone from WBG trolling to now being worthy of getting lynched day 1. This is the most BS post in the thread right now. First we have the contradiction. Second we have the justification that even if he is town, he's worth getting rid of. NOPE. I realize that's not precisely what's been written, but that is absolutely the intent. Third, this is a complete and utter bandwagon. WBG picks up a couple votes, and Erandorr slides into the scene. Fourth you add in a bit of extra post restriction business which does nothing but cut him down. This is not why we vote! This entire post is showing that Errandor justification for voting WBG is not in fact that he's scum, but rather a bad townie who deserves to die. An hour and a half later, Errandor posts this: "Okay I read the whole thread now." Whoops scum slip. Why are you voting for a player AND THEN reading the thread? Not how townies play. This is all followed by a bunch more suspicion on WBG, but no actual points against him: + Show Spoiler +I forgot to vote earlier but lets just get wbg out of the game, I feel really uncomfortably by what he was doing. The reason I want you out is that you clearly have an agenda other than catching scum. That just makes me uncomfortable. Show nested quote +You now seem to start contributing, but still will not tell us why you behave the way you do. you dont ask for the ring in every post, so its clearly not that, and just trolled at the start and messed up the thread. I agree with most of your targets, actually, but could you just go back to xliv and compare your behaviour now to that of palmar and then remember how that turned out? To paraphrase: "You're actually playing good now, but you trolled before. You're targets are all good, but your behaviour is bad" It's hard to justify killing townies when you're scum isn't it? Errandor is very scummy, and likely the best vote we'll get: ##Vote: Erandorr
Well at least this looks better than than the 3 other cases. I didn't even know he posted that much>.> I will be switching votes due to my first suspicion only being based on a feeling. Though i'll be weary of dr. H
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Sorry I haven't been around, been busy, and this may be my only chance to post today. I will be voting for supersoft.
Let's take a look at some of his posts:
On September 17 2011 20:26 supersoft wrote:
i was thinking the same about wbg and I also filtered him. wbgs post seem to be artificial to me.
Take note of this - he thinks WBG is scummy. While he doesn't say it outright (not wanting to commit to a stance) he implies it by saying it's 'artificial'.
Now we've got his opinion on a bunch of different players, and in the post following this one he states that these are the players he is most suspicious of.
On September 18 2011 09:25 supersoft wrote:
okay I just catched up and made my notes.
chaoser
votes Greymist to start the discussion and pressure him (doesnt really vote in the thread)
DrH and Drazerk follow him on that - therefore he concludes that they are probably town.
„From that action, I'm leaning on Dr.H and Drazerk being town since they immediately pick up on what I'm trying to do and votes to put pressure on
greymist.“
This might be some kind of a scumslip. I don't know why he posts that. They are not under pressure and he's not under pressure.
He also votes prplhz. I don't think prplhz is a better lynchcandidate than Greymist. Chaoser is suspicious in my eyes
Not once has he mentioned either Greymist or prplhz previously, and he provides no reasons for his reads here. Apparently because chaoser disagrees with supersoft's unspoken reads, that makes him suspicious. This is not townie behavior.
GreYMisT
He made a joke about the ring in his first post. Chaoser DrH and Drazerk vote him. I defend him and say it probably was a joke. He comes back and says that chaoser and DrH provided good reasons for their votes on him? - Suspicious. Obviously they had no good reasons, they just wanted to start a discussion.
Okay. Later on he agrees with me and says it was a joke.
Recaps what Greymist has done this game. Cool. That provides nothing useful at all, anyone could have done this. Weak reason for being suspicious. Again, not townie behavior.
@ Navillus
ah, you claim VT. I'd like to know what race you are. like hobbit/dwarf etc. Just curious. Can you say your name? I just want to know.
Why is this guy on your suspicious list?
@ Drazerk
How do you know, that postrestricions are definetely in place. Are you restricted? I'll filter you :-P
about Drazerk: He votes grey, thinks he posted a reason before, but hasnt... lol
Again, just repeating what's happened so far. Providing nothing new or useful.
iGrok
Votes Drazerk. Gives no reason. I expect way more out of him. I saw him play as GF in my first mafiagame on TL.net.
He made huge posts, gave reasons etc. If you're town, please give some more reasons etc.
Best reasoning so far, but still weak. His entire explanation here is that he plays better; doesn't find any scummy behavior, just that he isn't townie enough.
@ TranceStorm
your plan sucks.
Bad plan =/= scum. Besides, his plan really isn't that bad. I can't see any way in which it will hurt us badly.
On September 18 2011 09:28 supersoft wrote:
these players are suspicious for me so far. WBG isn't he could be everything. He also could be Bilbo who's crazy and just wants his ring back; he could be Gollum; he could be Sauron. Whatever, we don't know.
Remember earlier when I was talking about what sort of contradictions are scumtells and which aren't? This is one that is a scum tell. For no apparent reason, WBG is no longer suspicious. In fact, supersoft doesn't commit to any particular stance here. After feeling WBG was artificial, he could now be absolutely anything. This encompasses two different mafia characteristics in one:
1. Contradiction of opinion without new evidence
2. Non-committal wishy-washy stance
These are the only posts with notable content from supersoft. He's scum.
##Vote supersoft
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On September 19 2011 04:34 prplhz wrote:
i voted for jackal because he is a dude who is supposed to be doing a lot better than he is right now. i think town isn't doing too great and i kinda miss some vocal veteran who can try to get something cool going 'cause i'm not doing a very good job even though i tried with the drh lynch. jack is a dude who can do this but he's just sitting there and watching everything burn, wbg and some other's were up for lynching but i didn't find them very likely to be scum. also it doesn't make too much sense to pressure vote a guy who talks insanity (wbg) 'cause he's already talking and he's not making sense. wbg is clearly better to keep in this game than jackal, 'cause we have plenty of vets who aren't saying much but we only have one crazy ring hungry guy. jack needs to say something and he needs to do something good for town 'cause i know he's able to do this.
@ON
are you insane? no i don't have the ability to kill two random players instantly if they don't post enough for my liking, what the fuck?
I've made a career out of sucking on day 1. Even day 2. So I'm not sure where you got that impression from.
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And in case you didn't realize, my comments on his bigger post are bolded and italicized.
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And yes, Erandorr is a solid candidate as far as newer players go
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On September 19 2011 04:35 prplhz wrote:
also, drh fits the reasons for my jack vote too, he's not doing as good as i'd expect and i think that that is very weird, he is arguing for silly things like "lets just have one candidate for lynching" and "lets wait for a guy who is 100% scum before we lynch scum, until then we just lynch 3rd party" and a lot of you agree that that is a terrible agenda. but drh wasn't going anywhere so i switched to jack.
god i never said any of those things dude you are really misunderstanding me
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jackal, i don't have that kind of meta with you, i just know that you're a veteran and i think it's very often better to pressure a veteran to do sensible things that pressure a noob, 'cause a noob will most likely just dig a deeper hole for himself (hi, i'm prplhz, and since i started talking the votes have been piling up on me)
i like the erandorr analysis even though i think you're missing that scum we're most likely just sitting back enjoying the show while wbg shat the thread up. i have no idea who erandorr is and i'm having a hard time forming an opinion on him, i'm leaning town but as it is right now i'll have to vote to stay alive.
i think vain and chaoser are acting pretty weird right now, chaoser was on my back earlier and now he's suddenly on supersoft's back with a weak case looks like he's trying to distance himself from me
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