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On September 19 2011 02:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Cir, lynching people who are less active gives you less information. People who have been active have given us something to work with. We can then take what we learn after the lynch and apply it to their posts and make connections.
If there aren't posts to observe, there aren't patterns to observe, and connections can't be made.
You are basically saying "I don't want people to focus on WBG or prpl, and I want to complete turn the votes around with very little left in the day". On top of it, you're getting very personal. What's wrong? Did we offend you and your scum buddies?
Conversely, if none of their posts and their connections point to lurkers, what happens to these lurkers? We are left completely in the dark to their choices and motives then. What can be achieved by winnowing out the chaff is that lynching one active guy in a later day yields much much more information regarding them than lynching them on Day 1 would have been. Simply put, more activity equals more material to work with, and the easier to unravel the patterns and connections that everyone would have with one another without us losing more townies than absolutely necessary to the lynch or night shots.
Just think about it, a scum-team with a mix of active and inactive players can exploit silent townies who have no idea where to go or target by sacrificing them late in the game as potential scum while they can focus on killing off power roles. Forcing all of them to be active deprives them of one level of camouflage and forces them to either expose their gameplan or cover their tracks. Both yield information on who we have to end up killing.
And don't tell me I'm being personal, Navi started it by poking at my non-committal Day 1 play-style because he thought it was too indecisive.
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It's almost 2am here 1 hour behind KST and near deadline, so I'll sleep now. I'm just going to leave this here. At least one of the guys now up for lynching is a townie.
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sandroba and palmar needs to start talking right now
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Just think about it, a scum-team with a mix of active and inactive players can exploit silent townies who have no idea where to go or target by sacrificing them late in the game as potential scum while they can focus on killing off power roles. Forcing all of them to be active deprives them of one level of camouflage and forces them to either expose their gameplan or cover their tracks. Both yield information on who we have to end up killing.
Seems to me that's what's happening right now. A scum team exploiting the silent townies to try and get them lynched day 1.
But whatever, I'll entertain the scenario. You say you want Jackal and one other to be the primary targets. Well, who do you want your +1 to be?
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Scum is voting me. I'll keep this short since I'm on my phone.
I asked for the ring relentlessly. People thought that was scummy. Look at the bandwagon on me right now.
Then, look at Jackal's votepost on me. He says it's a good idea to give me the ring, because he doubts the game will end if I get it, but wants to lynch me anyway.
That's a pro mafia stance. If I get the ring and get lynched, the ring is randomly sent to one of the voters. If the majority of the voters are scum then they get a better chance of getting the ring.
Between Dr H, Jackal, Pyo, iGrok, and Drazerk, I'd bet we can find at least 3 scum. (these are the current voters on me)
You can also easily make a case against any one of these players. Filter them all if you don't believe me.
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Guys you do realize that there are only 6 hours left in the day right?
I forgot to vote earlier but lets just get wbg out of the game, I feel really uncomfortably by what he was doing.
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Your vote reason is terrible Erandor, use your brain.
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United States4714 Posts
Updated Day 1 Votecount
Greymist
Drazerk
DoctorHelvetica
Drazerk
Navillus
iGrok
wherebugsgo
TranceStorm
wherebugsgo
Cyber_cheese
wherebugsgo
DoctorHelvetica
Drazerk
iGrok
Pyo
Jackal58
Erandorr
prplhz
chaoser
Greymist
raynpelikoneet
jcarlsoniv
navillus
iGrok
GGQ
Archon_Toilet
DoctorHelvetica
prplhz
JeeJee
JeeJee
GGQ
Archon_Toilet
Archon_Toilet
wherebugsgo
ciryandor
Jackal58
syllogism
heist
prplhz
ciryandor
About 5 hours left in the day. WBG in the lead with 6 votes
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On September 19 2011 03:01 Mig wrote: Updated Day 1 Votecount GreymistDrazerkDoctorHelvetica
Drazerk
Navillus iGrokwherebugsgoTranceStormwherebugsgoCyber_cheese
wherebugsgoDoctorHelvetica Drazerk iGrok Pyo Jackal58 Erandorr
prplhzchaoser Greymist raynpelikoneet jcarlsoniv navillus
iGrokGGQ Archon_Toilet
DoctorHelveticaprplhz
JeeJeeJeeJee
GGQArchon_Toilet
Archon_Toiletwherebugsgo ciryandor
Jackal58syllogism heist prplhz ciryandor
About 5 hours left in the day. WBG in the lead with 6 votes
Oh woops I forgot to unvote drazerk, fixed now.
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Actually add Erandor to that list, his vote is terrible too, he hasn't talked about anything else, and he's skirting by the minimum post requirement.
Also, for those who have actually been reading my posts you'd see that I've claimed both gollum and Sauron so you can't really say I'm third party. A few people have actually pointed out the correct read that was based on my behavior (I don't remember who but someone nailed it on the head)
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On September 19 2011 02:37 Ciryandor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 02:27 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Cir, lynching people who are less active gives you less information. People who have been active have given us something to work with. We can then take what we learn after the lynch and apply it to their posts and make connections.
If there aren't posts to observe, there aren't patterns to observe, and connections can't be made.
You are basically saying "I don't want people to focus on WBG or prpl, and I want to complete turn the votes around with very little left in the day". On top of it, you're getting very personal. What's wrong? Did we offend you and your scum buddies? Conversely, if none of their posts and their connections point to lurkers, what happens to these lurkers? We are left completely in the dark to their choices and motives then. What can be achieved by winnowing out the chaff is that lynching one active guy in a later day yields much much more information regarding them than lynching them on Day 1 would have been. Simply put, more activity equals more material to work with, and the easier to unravel the patterns and connections that everyone would have with one another without us losing more townies than absolutely necessary to the lynch or night shots. Just think about it, a scum-team with a mix of active and inactive players can exploit silent townies who have no idea where to go or target by sacrificing them late in the game as potential scum while they can focus on killing off power roles. Forcing all of them to be active deprives them of one level of camouflage and forces them to either expose their gameplan or cover their tracks. Both yield information on who we have to end up killing. And don't tell me I'm being personal, Navi started it by poking at my non-committal Day 1 play-style because he thought it was too indecisive.
So the first problem here is that you're assuming that we can just stop all lurking from lynching a lurker day1, that's just false lurkers gonna lurk, it's a fact of life, sure you might be able to get it to lower degrees by lynching one or two, of course by then we've lynched a couple townies have no good scum reads and have nearly lost.
You don't waste lynches on policy or information, you lynch scum. When you do lynch for inactivity scum will not get hit. Ever. Because you have no idea which inactive to lynch and scum will point you to a town one, preferably a townie that will be useful to town later i.e. Jackal.
Additionally how do we know when we've stopped them from lurking? You do this and the scum will stop lurking but we'll be ignoring the scummy things they say because we'll keep lynching that people that still are lurking, that is, townies. We should be just going for the scummy things we have now... you and prplhz.
Finally I didn't start anything I was calling you out for being indecisive which looked and looks scummy I was not calling you a
blathering senile dwarf with more delusions of grandeur than common sense
or a
elf with a hard-on for dwarven quarrying every moment you do so
In short, you and prplhz need to die.
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Navi, WBG, do you mind putting your votes on a usefull candidate? Unless you plan on really pushing for your current targets' lynches in the final hours, which I highly doubt will be successful.
WBG, what are you thinking on either jackal or prpl
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On September 19 2011 02:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +Just think about it, a scum-team with a mix of active and inactive players can exploit silent townies who have no idea where to go or target by sacrificing them late in the game as potential scum while they can focus on killing off power roles. Forcing all of them to be active deprives them of one level of camouflage and forces them to either expose their gameplan or cover their tracks. Both yield information on who we have to end up killing. Seems to me that's what's happening right now. A scum team exploiting the silent townies to try and get them lynched day 1. But whatever, I'll entertain the scenario. You say you want Jackal and one other to be the primary targets. Well, who do you want your +1 to be?
Archon_Toilet has posts that just stink of lurking to me; not to mention his FOS on GGQ, which is justified enough, but also with the knowledge that given WBG and prplhz getting spotlighted, means that he's basically throwing away his vote. I find him the most suspicious of everyone, focusing on someone he knows doesn't force him to justify his vote in a solid and convincing manner.
Other potential targets I threw out include:
I first thought of JeeJee for the incomprehensible and non-contributory self-vote, and the lack of participation in Day 1 discussion. A very dangerous move for any player, but coming from a veteran even more so, but he definitely has good reason for it, regardless of allegiance. I'd rather he get voted out a day or two from now, his presence may yield lots more connections by tomorrow.
iGrok for being too tunneled vs WBG yet letting up once WBG was safely among the front-runners, proper play to push people towards voting one's choice without having to contribute their own thoughts.
GGQ for being completely non-committal in his posts, and still not having a proper vote, and that's all in spite of the pressure from Archon_Toilet who misinterpreted iGrok's post for GGQ's, and general inactivity.
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EBWOP: navi, you ninja voted under my nose lol
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On September 19 2011 03:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
EBWOP: navi, you ninja voted under my nose lol
I think I posted it in thread, I forgot to unvote drazerk but I fixed it now :\
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@ Navi
If either I or prp flip town when either of us dies, I can assure you the other is town as well. I'll leave this as my last message.
Also, it's LOTR, I'm being in-role with that. And there are actual characters that I am referring to with each description.
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So, can I call someone a Fool of a Took around here without stepping on their toes?
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prplhz looks town to me, Jackal I think is scum. I think GGQ is scum, Dr. H is scum, and Archon_Toilet is scum. Pyo is just stupid. (ohai XLIV) iGrok is wishy washy and possibly scum. Drazerk is scum.
On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote:
My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens.
If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow.
If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways.
Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote.
This post establishes a scum agenda.
Lynch me, give me the ring though, but lynch me.
Jackal clearly has not read the OP, or is being misleading. He's made some dumb moves as town before but I don't think he'd suggest such a thing unless he was mafia. If I get the ring and then get lynched, the ring gets passed to one of my voters.
This is a scum agenda at its finest. You can see that it's true because by looking at the voter list you see that every single person who is voting for me has shady intentions.
If you don't believe in my innocence yet, stop looking at WHAT I've done and look at HOW I've done it. I went crazy on about the ring for a bit of time, sure. I have my reasons for doing that and I don't have to explain those reasons to any of you unless I actually want to (and at this point, I don't want to) but if you're actually looking at my behavior you know that voting me is a stupid idea.
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On September 19 2011 01:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Yeah navi, it was something I was going to bring up later on. Seems as if he's just trying to not take a stance and avoid offending anyone.
Those who's votes are not on the main lynch candidates need to get them on the (at least) 3 main targets. The more scattered the votes are, the more beneficial for the scum. It looks like WBG, prpl, and jackal are the front runners. It worries me how quickly the votes for jackal piled up, although he was inactive until recently.
So cyber, JeeJee, GGQ, drh, cir...could you put your votes in a place where they will be useful?
Now that I think about it, we haven't ears for drh or radfield in a while.
A majority is not required, I can place the vote where-ever I feel it is best used
That said, here's lowdown of my opinions on everybody currently voted.
I think WBG is currently someone we want to keep around till at least day 2.
His latest post seems to be far and away better than all his other posts combined
+ Show Spoiler [I mean this one] +On September 18 2011 16:21 wherebugsgo wrote:I still don't have the ring! What a surprise. The following post is well-reasoned and should be listened to: Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 11:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There are far too many people that are getting away with posting the minimum or nothing at all.
Palmar decides he isn't going to read the thread the first two days
JeeJee goes and randomly votes for himself
Erandorr has 9 pre-game posts and one real post
Archon_Toilet has two posts about flavor
Pyo has nothing of interest
If we don't call people out for doing nothing, scum are going to take advantage and lurk the game away. As I said earlier and as Kitaman has nailed pretty well, we absolutely need to encourage the lurkers to participate. If they don't participate, or we let them get away with stupid shit (more on this later) then we are just hurting ourselves. We cannot let mafia blend in, and we need to identify when someone is trying to blend in, to identify them as scum. I will give you all two examples of this right now: Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote:
So many people yelling at each other, hard to read what is going on.
Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas.
We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts.
He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters.
So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom.
##Push GGQ into the fire Firstly, this guy is saying absolutely nothing with this entire post. He says there are so many people yelling at each other, that it's hard to read what's going on. He insinuates that there is a lot of confusion and noise, yet he adds to this by splitting the vote even further and throwing a shitty vote on a person who so far has not done anything scummy (as far as I can tell.) The worst part is that there are no specifics in this post. To clarify: Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote:
Many plans and ideas, some good some bad.
Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas.
wat so, he says there are "many plans and ideas, some good some bad." Way to go sherlock, either the plan is good or it's bad. You've really told us a lot there. What the fuck is that supposed to contribute? What's specifically good about these "good plans"? Who made them? What about the bad plans? The only thing he alludes to is that he thinks people like me and Trance are probably fine and just giving bad ideas. Well, the only idea I've pushed is giving me the ring. Trance is receiving votes, if Archon is scum then it totally makes sense for him to soft defend him here. And "all the guys" talking like us are fine. Whoa, so if someone makes a plan they're autoconfirmed town? Wtf?God this makes no sense whatsoever. Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote:
We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts.
He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters.
So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom.
##Push GGQ into the fire Yeah hey guess what genius, you were lurking until now too, AFTER you were called out on your shitty posting record. I'm pretty sure you're just throwing a random vote out there and feigning analysis so you don't get a shitstorm for not posting and not contributing anything. This isn't even a real vote! Our last example is this: Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 15:48 Pyo wrote:
At this point I'm gonna vote for wherebugsgo.
I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip.
##vote wherebugsgo Clear lack of reading comprehension/hasn't read the thread. Granted, from what I saw in XLIV his town play is absolutely horrible so I'm not inclined to think he's scum. However, the type of logic he's using is precisely pro-mafia logic. I wouldn't put it past him to be scum, but for now we just need to push more posts out of our friend here Pyo. Specifically, the bolded part is his reason for voting me. In other words, he doesn't think I'm scum. He's voting me because he wants to get information. That's a terrible reason to want to lynch someone. You lynch someone primarily because you think they're scum. You get information NO MATTER WHO YOU LYNCH.
This is an example of exactly what I want to see from him, as compared to all the 'ring lol' trolling and if he can keep it up he's realistically a valuable asset for town.
Speaking of valuable assets for town, the DrH lynch:
The reasoning didn't sound too great. At this point either way DrH was a good contributor, and while I would keep an eye on him, there are people that seem to pop-out as a much better choice for day 1. I'd rather keep him around for the chance to get this information of out him in following day(s). Note that the only person that was behind this was prplhz
Prplhz: His analyses on doc weren't too bad compared to many of the posts in the game so far, at this point those analyses alone are the reason I want him around. I see potential, and in this regard he's in the same boat as WBG.
+ Show Spoiler [My reference] +On September 18 2011 06:15 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My vote is on prplhz, at least now. Let's c if anything new comes up before day ends.
##vote prplhz wow what a 100th post i'm so blown away i want to vote for me too now i don't like drh or heist or wiggles but there are tons of people here who are worthy of scrutiny Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 04:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
It's generally agreed that a 50/50 bandwagon is pretty much the ideal situation for mafia. Actually when the town all agrees on one player that is the scummiest and tunnels them leaving no wiggle room, that is the worst scenario for mafia because assuming town was correct they have no way out of it.
Vain is definitely being antagonistic and the fact that he slipped under the radar for such bad posting isn't a good sign.
People seem to be complaining that we're still talking about Gollum or the ring or whatever but most of the discussion on the last few pages is about a lynch so stop complaining. I'm keeping my vote on WBG until I make up my mind. Vain, Drazerk, prplhz are all people I'm looking at.
stuff like this, it's the wiggle room we want 'cause that's when people really have to talk about stuff, even if we're lynching a scum i think 51/49 is better than 100/0 and drh should probably think so too unless he's a crazyman i'm fine with wbg and cyriandor and syllogism, good questions and wbg is not worth the attention he's getting right now, let him troll around and then maybe a vig can shoot him at some point or whatever On September 18 2011 09:47 prplhz wrote:okay i don't like drh i'm reluctant to push a mafia forum legend on first day but then someone said that if you have a vibe you should just go for it Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him.
##Vote Greymist
I don't think our mod would hand the ring off to an evil player day 1. It's probably with a Frodo , Bilbo, or Gollum if we have any of those roles. So we know Greymist either has a protown power that is greatly amplified by the one ring, or is part of a neutral/evil faction that needs the ring for some reason.
And Chaoser is right. We can't spend this whole game talking about roles. Scumhunting is #1.
voting greymist because he asked for ring on day1 .. asking for ring is pretty silly but the vote doesn't accomplish anything as i really doubt anybody will feel pressured by a couple of votes this early in the voting cycle with that bad of a reasonable Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 15:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
TranceStorm has a bad plan. Big deal, hopefully he can be made to see the problem with it. The main problem is that this game is not about confirming townies using mechanics we don't understand the goal is to find and catch scum.
Wherebugsgo I don't know your metagame but here's what I see.
1. begging for the ring in every post
2. vague allusions to why you want it
3. voting for TranceStorm and FOSing him with no reasons.
You're playing absolutely detrimental to town. This is not pro-town play, it is not how we catch scum. It's how shit gets stirred and people always let bad scum like this slide (coag in countless games) because they figure "oh no way scum would act so brashly or bad".
##Vote wherebugsgo
At the very least, if you aren't scum, you are a stellar example of how town players should never act
as you say, wbh is bad-townie not scum. you don't waste a lynch on a dude because he's a bad townie, you threaten with vigihits or hope he gets mafia killed or his mom takes his internet away. as pressure it makes little sense as he was already posting his ass off. Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 05:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
(... blah blah blah...)
Honestly on Day 1 I'd be more content lynching a pretty sure SK/Third Party player than some gut scum read that is probably wrong and end up killing some VT or power role that is actually helping us. As far as your posting all you are is an annoyance and a distraction.
is he scum acting as bad townie or is he SK? anyway, you are saying that we should all vote for this guy because he's 3rd party, instead of lynching someone who might be scum just because we can't be sure? this is a terrible idea, you lynch scum and 3rd party is left until a vigilante shoots them or until you have a scumtell on them. and you can never be sure that someone is scum, it will always be analysis and gut feelings and you're not encouraging that right now. on the whole multiple candidates v all votes on single target, i'm pretty sure it's always better if there are multiple candidates and i can't believe you're actually trying to argue that that's not the case. your argument is that 100% votes on a target who is 100% scum is best, but you will never be 100% sure that someone is scum, is that what you want to wait around for? Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 06:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
(... blah blah blah ...)
I've decided you're a clown and I'm not wasting anymore discussion talking to you about this. Come up with something good enough to reply to and I'll think about it. You're just noise.
i really don't think you're trying to promote a good environment for scum hunting by saying that someone is a clown and noise. Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 08:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
If we don't have a viable serious scum target then I'd be fine getting rid of a detrimental player who is probably a third party SK. Better than hitting town.
However, let's knock off the "he's too bad to be scum" nonsense. I've seen worse from mafia players in the past. being bad doesn't clear you.
again, you'd rather just lynch wbg than trying to scumhunt and you want a guy who is 100% scum. well do you think we're gonna get that by just all voting for wbg and then calling it a day? scum wants 3rd party dead too i think, gollum wasn't exactly on sauron's side. all in all i think drh is playing pretty weird compared to what i have seen from other people who are supposedly good at this game and i think he is promoting agendas that aren't good for town and if he's that smart he'd know that. the guy is scummier than the other dudes, 'cause none of them were really that scummy after all. ##Vote: DoctorHelvetica
Jackal: I hear he is usually killed off within the first couple of days regardless of faction, I swear it's the name or something, I'd like to see his opinions in following day(s) time, not as much as DrH, but still more than others.
JeeJee voting for himself, I'd love to spite him and see him lynched in part because of his own vote, but I can't foresee that happening.
Archon_Toilet: I'll quote myself here from the first post of the day, originally it was supposed to be a rather obvious joke
On September 17 2011 08:07 Cyber_Cheese wrote:I'd like to call attention to Show nested quote +Activity:
You must post in this thread five times per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. To kick things off, Archon_Toilet seems rather untrustworthy, just look at that hideous underscore he chooses to have inside is name.
I'm somehow saddened that he doesn't look any more trustworthy now, but at the moment I think he's a townie who didn't read the thread and panicked when he got voted.
IGrok seems a little bit suspicious, but since I'm giving archon_toilet a break I guess I'll be doing the same here.
TranceStorm: His plan is only good if townies a) choose to pass the ring, b) choose to mention that they did, and c) nobody lies about it
So many questions get raised here though, by all sorts of things like the 'how do we confirm it reliably?', 'does a townie even have the ring?', but it really seems to boil down to convincing town to risk throwing the one true ring into scum hands. It's all risk and little to no reward, spruced up to sound like the greatest thing since sliced bread, hence my vote stands on him.
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On September 19 2011 02:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
Scum is voting me. I'll keep this short since I'm on my phone.
I asked for the ring relentlessly. People thought that was scummy. Look at the bandwagon on me right now.
Then, look at Jackal's votepost on me. He says it's a good idea to give me the ring, because he doubts the game will end if I get it, but wants to lynch me anyway.
That's a pro mafia stance. If I get the ring and get lynched, the ring is randomly sent to one of the voters. If the majority of the voters are scum then they get a better chance of getting the ring.
Between Dr H, Jackal, Pyo, iGrok, and Drazerk, I'd bet we can find at least 3 scum. (these are the current voters on me)
You can also easily make a case against any one of these players. Filter them all if you don't believe me.
That makes no sense... in a situation where votes are scattered all over the place, why would scum put 3 onto the same person. Additionally, if scum really wanted you dead, they'd kill you at night – with split votes like we have it should be really easy for them push for the lynch of someone they know to be town. You're also misconstruing what Jackal said – he said we should get rid of you either by lynching you or if that fails by giving you the ring. Paraphrasing what people say to alter their meaning is incredibly scummy. My vote stays on you.
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