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Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
September 18 2011 12:08 GMT
#421
I want Wbg out of this.
If he is town aligned then hes just shitting up the thread and then doing some analysis which doesnt help us because we have to spend so much time dealing with all his other crap. If he is anything else we want him dead anyway so I am totally cool with that.
And I really cant imagine that he has a post restriction that makes him post like a complete idiot half of the time .
## Vote Wbg
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 18 2011 12:25 GMT
#422
My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens.
If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow.
If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways.

Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote.
Life can only kill you once.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
September 18 2011 12:29 GMT
#423
On September 18 2011 21:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 18:22 prplhz wrote:
all of you kids going "oh we not gonna hit scum today lets just all vote random" you're not doing it right of course we are not going to hit anybody if you don't even give it a try

i like drh navillus and jackal as candidates for lynches right now


People are saying that they don't expect to hit scum today. This is true. From a purely mathematical basis, chances are against the town. Now add in null tells, bad reads, and mistells, and our chances aren't really better. But for the most part, people aren't voting randomly. They are offering analysis and reasoning (for the most part) behind their votes. If this post was an attempt by you to shell some people off of voting for you, I'll say you failed hard. It's had the opposite effect on me.

Please share some REASONS behind your suspicions of drh, navi, and jackal. Give us a REASON to believe you other than saying "I like them for lynches".

Also, @WBG, you posted exactly what I wanted to say about Archon. It was a post that made me jackiechanwtf.jpg IRL. Archon and Py both only start posting when they are called out for inactivity? AND the posts are not entirely useful (much less useful from archon). Come on guys. Don't make us beg for your activity. Lurkers always seem scummy. If you want to play with the town, you actually have to play.


but you can hit scum on day1, you sholdn't just give up because of math. if you want to wait until the math is good then we'll have to wait until they outnumber us. lynching wbg because he's 3rd party is pretty stupid, we should hunt for scum instead. i already shared reasons for my vote on drh and i'm quite sure other people wrote pieces on nav and jack which i'm not gonna parrot.

and then you are all like "lol someone was inactive and then active totally scummy" not really would you rather they shut their mouth and you could just go through with a 3rd party bandwagon? this is not creating a scumhunting environment.

i'd kinda like palmar to say something because he's from iceland and that is indubitably the northernmost location of all participants of this game.

also i'd like jack to do some scumhunting 'cause he's apparently also a veteran of sort. since this drh thing is going nowhere i'm gonna switch to jack

##Vote: Jackal58

on jack's most recent post, there is a third option with wbg, leave him be and see if he starts acting like a normal human being, maybe he's just frustrated with being VT for the 10th time in a row, maybe his mom just told him he had to clean his room, there are plenty of reasons for posting silly shit but lynching a guy solely because he's 3rd party is totally scum agenda. also, i'm not a big fan of your idea of giving the ring to random people and i'm pretty sure any townie with a brain wouldn't do that.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 18 2011 12:34 GMT
#424
I'm pretty sure only scum would want to keep it in the game.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 18 2011 12:34 GMT
#425
On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote:
My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens.
If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow.
If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways.


O_o rather daring to completely go against what everyone has been saying. While I don't feel that WBG is mafia, I also feel like I don't want to give the ring to people who beg for it day 1.

Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. [/QUOTE]

??????

Heist is the only person who has struck you as off? What? How about JeeJee coming, making one contentless post and voting for himself? What about archon and Py posting immediately after being called out? You sure are going against the current paradigm, mr. Jackal
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 18 2011 12:36 GMT
#426
On September 18 2011 21:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 21:25 Jackal58 wrote:
My vote is going on Bugs. Having played a couple of games with him now I know he is aggressive as town. He has not trolled any games to this point. His activity level is the same but his style is different. I don't believe he is mafia but I do believe he is 3rd party with a separate win condition from town. Right now I see two options for him. Lynch him or give him the ring and see what happens.
If he and the ring leave the game that is probably not a bad thing. If we lynch him and the ring stays in the game that's probably not quite as optimal but still not a bad thing. Worse case scenario is they are both still here tomorrow.
If you have the ring give it to Bugs. I can't believe that will end the game. The ring is inherently evil anyways.


O_o rather daring to completely go against what everyone has been saying. While I don't feel that WBG is mafia, I also feel like I don't want to give the ring to people who beg for it day 1.

Other than Bugs the only person that has struck me as off is Heist. I'm more sure of Bugs not being town than I am of Heist being scum so Bugs is getting my vote. [/QUOTE]

??????

Heist is the only person who has struck you as off? What? How about JeeJee coming, making one contentless post and voting for himself? What about archon and Py posting immediately after being called out? You sure are going against the current paradigm, mr. Jackal[/QUOTE]

derp
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 18 2011 12:39 GMT
#427
What the fuck just happened, triple post, stupid formatting.

I hope you guys caught the jist of that.

@prpl: I didn't say I was gving up because of math. You said people were voting randomly, and I argued against that point.
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Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
September 18 2011 12:44 GMT
#428
Then I suppose it's time for a paradigm shift Mr. jcarlsoniv.
Although after prplhz's last post he is putting forth a 100% complete scum agenda. I'm ok with lynching either of them. (WBG or prplhz)
Life can only kill you once.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
September 18 2011 12:51 GMT
#429
Jesus Christ...I'm going on mention a relevant number. Seven. You know why? Cause that's how many people are getting voted on right now. Town atmosphere is shit with pretty much everyone throwing around accusations at everyone else. People voting for WBG, saying we can't find scum, let's kill a 3rd party, how do you know bugs is a third party? And what a horribly defeatist mentality. I've got someone who is scummy as fuck.

On September 18 2011 18:22 prplhz wrote:
all of you kids going "oh we not gonna hit scum today lets just all vote random" you're not doing it right of course we are not going to hit anybody if you don't even give it a try

i like drh navillus and jackal as candidates for lynches right now


He says to give it a try, but he doesnt actually try to make a case of any one of his suspects and hasn't pushed for a single one. He just says he is ok with lynching this list. He REFUSES to respond to my accusations on him and that's what usually scum does. Also his random change from "I strongly believe drh is mafia" to "I want jackal to scumhunt do I will pressure vote him" when he JUST said he was suspicious of him being mafia makesNO SENSE! Why and how do you pressure vote someone you believe is scum into...helping you find scum???

also i'd like jack to do some scumhunting 'cause he's apparently also a veteran of sort. since this drh thing is going nowhere i'm gonna switch to jack


Please consolidate the votes to at the most 3 people we feel are mafia at the very least.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
September 18 2011 13:04 GMT
#430
@chaoser

you accusations? i filtered you and searched for prplhz and you have only accused me of talking about mechanics (and i did, how would you like me to refute that?) and then you accused me of not posting enough, though i think there are people who have posted less than me.

yea it doesn't make sense for scum to scumhunt, and that's how you scumhunt, you force them to help you as any townie would do and then see how they fare. i'm saying i think that jack is scum and that's why i'm voting him but i'm very open to the possibility that he isn't, but he'll just have to prove that.

also jack has 3 votes with mine which puts him in top3 of votes along with me and wbg .. i think you're being overzealous, your original reasonable for voting me wasn't too great and now you're just mindlessly following up, while agreeing with me that voting wbg because he's scum is defeatist, as i've said for this entire game.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 18 2011 13:04 GMT
#431
already shared reasons for my vote on drh and i'm quite sure other people wrote pieces on nav and jack which i'm not gonna parrot.


Also this. I didnt want you to "parrot" other peoples' posts. I wanted your reasons for tossing them onto the list. I now see your reasons on jackal, but navi?
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 18 2011 13:04 GMT
#432
On September 18 2011 16:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
##unvote

##vote Archon_Toilet

If people make plans, it makes them less likely Mafia. Not 100% but less likely.

chaoser is right, votes are quite spread. Many vote so far are on people for ideas about one ring. I read many games and people like sandroba and palmar make plans that are stupid all the time but they always town and make people talk. Trancestorm, bugs and drazerk votes are silly at this time. We will judge their behave later.

We should kill someone who is letting stuff just happen and should know better.
I like this post by syllogism. Jackal is someone who die early when town. Kill GGQ instead.
Question everything!
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
September 18 2011 13:06 GMT
#433
@jcarlsoniv

i thought kitaman and heist had some decent arguments and that's my reason for tossing him onto my list
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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
September 18 2011 13:09 GMT
#434
Screw this, since I think we need 3 solid candidates, we have to go with inactives since they're the hardest to read. Leave prplhz and WBG alone for now, at least they're talking and I'm willing to bet my life that at least ONE if not BOTH of them are townies.

I'm voting Archon_Toilet since he was the person who had the most BS when people called him out on inactivity. Jackal also comes a close second to my eyes, and I wouldn't regret switching to him one bit.

#Vote Archon_Toilet
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Archon_Toilet
Profile Joined May 2011
65 Posts
September 18 2011 13:14 GMT
#435
What you mean I got called out? Only person vote me is bugs. That was because I say people who make plans probably arnt mafia. What BS you mean?

I say something bad about GGQ and people come vote me, you guys must like him lots?
Question everything!
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
September 18 2011 13:38 GMT
#436
On September 18 2011 22:04 prplhz wrote:
@chaoser

you accusations? i filtered you and searched for prplhz and you have only accused me of talking about mechanics (and i did, how would you like me to refute that?) and then you accused me of not posting enough, though i think there are people who have posted less than me.

yea it doesn't make sense for scum to scumhunt, and that's how you scumhunt, you force them to help you as any townie would do and then see how they fare. i'm saying i think that jack is scum and that's why i'm voting him but i'm very open to the possibility that he isn't, but he'll just have to prove that.

also jack has 3 votes with mine which puts him in top3 of votes along with me and wbg .. i think you're being overzealous, your original reasonable for voting me wasn't too great and now you're just mindlessly following up, while agreeing with me that voting wbg because he's scum is defeatist, as i've said for this entire game.


You said earlier:

What is the point of arguing about the passing of a ring that is probably not going to get passed, hell, we don't even know if whoever has it even has the ability to pass it? Though it was offered willingly a couple of times (to Galadriel and to Aragorn and at Rivendell Frodo also wanted to get rid of it), I think that it is silly to spam and think about it when it's purely speculation and when there's more important stuff to do.


I'm accusing you if saying that speculating is bad and then continuing to do it. After this post, over a 12 hour period you continue to post two more posts about ring passing. Saying one thing and doing another is scummy as fuck.

Also, you want to "pressure vote" someone with 12 hours left in the say? Someone that you are already suspicious of? How do you pressure vote someone when you are wushu washy about them and say you think they are scum but are also open to the idea that they might not be?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 18 2011 15:02 GMT
#437
On September 18 2011 17:37 syllogism wrote:
Unfortunately a bunch of veterans are getting away with posting nothing at all (Jeejee/Sandroba/Palmar), but at least the latter two have an excuse due to not being around and I'm willing to ignore jeejee on day 1 due to his recent game history.


Hmm? Does Palmar have an excuse for not being around? I thought that was by choice.

WBG, you currently lead the vote, but a lot of people are claiming they are willing to spare you because you are third party. If that was the case, I would consider it as well. Are you willing to come out and claim black?
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xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
September 18 2011 15:25 GMT
#438


On September 17 2011 21:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:

Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote:
Also, none of the currently discussed lynch targets are viable. They are all easy ones. I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players.


So...you just want to pick someone random? Random lynches are dumb. Lynches need to have a basis. And while it's true that town often gets the first lynch wrong, we won't learn much of anything from lynching a random target.

Most of the lynch targets we have at the moment are the typical loud-mouthed /sloppy townies that tend to get lynched on Day 1 while mafia keeps a low profile. More importantly, because mafia isn't put under any pressure whatsoever and therefore doesn't reveal any information that might be useful to us in the process. So no, I don't want to pick someone random. I said that I'd rather pick a random player out of the remaining 27 than one of these 3 because lynching them would give us absolutely nothing.


I can't vote for Jackal for his ring idea, sorry. I will start reviewing the case against DrH and I didn't see anything new from WBG to change my initial poistion on him.

And I would like to apologise for not being as active as I should have today. I have finally assembled my PC and will play properly from now on. And I hope that you will take into account that I mentioned that I'm moving to another country before roles were assigned.
Nevertheless, in Day 2 we should pay specific attention to those who didn't post a lot on Day 1 but become more active during Night 1 to hit the 5 posts per cycle quota.
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
September 18 2011 15:26 GMT
#439
EBWOB: people who didn't post a lot during Day 1 like me*
TranceStorm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
1616 Posts
September 18 2011 15:39 GMT
#440
On September 19 2011 00:25 xtfftc wrote:


Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 21:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:

On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote:
Also, none of the currently discussed lynch targets are viable. They are all easy ones. I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players.


So...you just want to pick someone random? Random lynches are dumb. Lynches need to have a basis. And while it's true that town often gets the first lynch wrong, we won't learn much of anything from lynching a random target.

Most of the lynch targets we have at the moment are the typical loud-mouthed /sloppy townies that tend to get lynched on Day 1 while mafia keeps a low profile. More importantly, because mafia isn't put under any pressure whatsoever and therefore doesn't reveal any information that might be useful to us in the process. So no, I don't want to pick someone random. I said that I'd rather pick a random player out of the remaining 27 than one of these 3 because lynching them would give us absolutely nothing.


I can't vote for Jackal for his ring idea, sorry. I will start reviewing the case against DrH and I didn't see anything new from WBG to change my initial poistion on him.

And I would like to apologise for not being as active as I should have today. I have finally assembled my PC and will play properly from now on. And I hope that you will take into account that I mentioned that I'm moving to another country before roles were assigned.
Nevertheless, in Day 2 we should pay specific attention to those who didn't post a lot on Day 1 but become more active during Night 1 to hit the 5 posts per cycle quota.

This post rang so many alarm bells in my head. First off, its so incredibly neutral. In the first paragraph, you state a generic statement that doesn't mean very much. And your defense of your earlier quote still doesn't make any sense, 'rather pick a random player out of the remaining 27' is still a random pick.

The next paragraph is killer, you articulate why you can't vote for certain people and justify your vote for WBG with little to no justification at all. It provides nothing of your analysis of them and nothing of your thoughts of your thread. It makes me think that you really don't want to reveal your thoughts on the thread.

Finally, you apologize when there is literally 0 pressure at you at all. If what you say is true, that's fine, you would simply come back and post more on day 2 and the following days and people wouldn't be too suspicious of that. Why would you apologize for something which hasn't even been picked up on?

I expect far more activity from you in the coming days as you say that you will do, but for the moment I FOS xtfftc. Given that i probably can't lead a lynch on you today, I will rather vote for a more fitting candidate today and make sure that I keep an eye on you.
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