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On September 18 2011 07:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:O Hai! You've got a fair bit to catch up on yet. Keep in mind while catching up that the minimum is 5 posts per day/night. On wherebugsgo, I get the distinct impression he's just a townie who wanted to have the ring and decided acting as Smeagol and demanding the ring until people got bored of it was better than trying to defend himself actively. I'm willing to bet there is no posting restriction, in fact I think it was explicitly stated somewhere that there wasn't. That said, I'd be comfortable with a lynch on him on the off-chance he is telling the truth about being third party, purely because that seems to make him a safer bet than most others.
I agree with you that there's almost definitely no post restriction. Notice how his posts went from all saying "gimme the ring", and now they aren't. I may be missing a pattern, but I don't think he's following restrictions.
Also, @chaoser: Let me clarify "somewhat large leap". I took "leaning town" to mean "I'm going to put them aside for now, and look for others." That didn't sit right with me because I don't feel comfortable with the bandwagon/town pressuring (however you want to see it) of grey.
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On September 18 2011 10:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 07:44 Cyber_Cheese wrote:On September 18 2011 07:29 Erandorr wrote:
Sup!
O Hai! You've got a fair bit to catch up on yet. Keep in mind while catching up that the minimum is 5 posts per day/night. On wherebugsgo, I get the distinct impression he's just a townie who wanted to have the ring and decided acting as Smeagol and demanding the ring until people got bored of it was better than trying to defend himself actively. I'm willing to bet there is no posting restriction, in fact I think it was explicitly stated somewhere that there wasn't. That said, I'd be comfortable with a lynch on him on the off-chance he is telling the truth about being third party, purely because that seems to make him a safer bet than most others. I agree with you that there's almost definitely no post restriction. Notice how his posts went from all saying "gimme the ring", and now they aren't. I may be missing a pattern, but I don't think he's following restrictions. Also, @chaoser: Let me clarify "somewhat large leap". I took "leaning town" to mean "I'm going to put them aside for now, and look for others." That didn't sit right with me because I don't feel comfortable with the bandwagon/town pressuring (however you want to see it) of grey.
Ehh it still might be a restriction, he could just be required to post it a certain number of times
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Possible. Although if he just had to reach a post limit, he could do it very easily. He was playing and posting well and often in Resurrection.
For Erandorr and Palmar to just make one post and nothing else...come on. There is still quite a bit of the day left, but we need more than "sup". Lurkers hurt town. I want to see what their next 4 posts are (working on the assumption that they'll do the bare minimum).
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On September 18 2011 10:15 Navillus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 10:00 JeeJee wrote:
##vote:jeejee
The shadow is my friend. ![[image loading]](http://alltheragefaces.com/img/faces/jpg/misc-jackie-chan.jpg)
Is everyone ignoring this because this is standard Jee-Jee? or did people honestly miss it?
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On September 18 2011 11:02 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 10:15 Navillus wrote:On September 18 2011 10:00 JeeJee wrote:
##vote:jeejee
The shadow is my friend. Is everyone ignoring this because this is standard Jee-Jee? or did people honestly miss it?
Bah, I also meant to mention his name along with era and palmar. Posting on iPhone ftl.
I don't know what JeeJee's play is like.
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On September 18 2011 10:21 Navillus wrote:
Supersoft I am Elladan, Elven Prince, Vanilla Townie Extraordinaire (I added extraordinaire... I'm sure some people would try to make that out as a scum slip somehow)
This means jackshit, Curu explcitly stated that all scums have a safeclaim.
On September 17 2011 10:23 Navillus wrote:
God @#$% it I have now rolled VT in literally every &*!@ing game that had it that I have played in >:[ anyways if Drazerk gets to vote people with little to no justification then I do too
##Vote Drazerk
Does the exact same thing as drazerk does, fairly self explanitory. Its like your trying to start a bandwagon.
Wait does anyone think that he was seriously trying to get the ring?? I thought it was quite clear that his original post was a joke, not just the content he makes it look joking, it really is a null tell and doesn't matter if he contradicts it, cause you know, it was a joke...
Why defend him like this, just because he claims it was a joke at the time doesnt it mean it nessicarily does.
He basically went "Ok guys gimmie the ring" then once people were like "wtf are you retarded or scum or some shits" then hes like naw JK.
I mean really the only time your at all connected to him is this post and desite people being suspicious you have not given your thoughts into at all, all youve done really is talk about the ring and tunnel drazerk for borderline silly reasons.
On September 18 2011 02:11 Navillus wrote:Show nested quote +Navillus, I feel as if you're pulling the noob card. This is your 6th game, you should know better than to claim day one. I looked through your older games and couldn't find any other instance where you opened the game with a claim, combined with the fact you decided to sound really angry with the random censored swears, makes me suspicious. Besides the random vote on Drazerk, who do you suspect right now? 6th game != learned anything in 1-5, esp. cause I died really quickly in some and wasn't paying that much attention to most of them so I couldn't really learn. Also you're either lying about looking through my games, or just didn't really try, cause last game I played I opened with basically the same line, a complaint about getting VT yet again (I think it was cosmic horror, if not it was 2 games ago in werewolves but I'm pretty sure it was cosmic horror.) As to my thoughts, I'm even more skeptical on Drazerk, I had figured that that first vote was pressure, and from what I know Dr. H is a very good vet player so I figured that's exactly what he was doing when he added his vote on, but Drazerk isn't as good as Dr. H, I could see him being scum and thinking that they could actually get a wagon going, then what made me more suspicious is that he completely ducks my vote and instead attacks me.
Dont bullshit noobcard me.
at this point goes, "Oh he can do it but this person cannot because clearly this person is clearly beneath me and we should totally completely lynch him amirite?
On September 18 2011 06:09 Navillus wrote:
I'm extraordinarily thick and incapable of reasoning, so please that silver platter would be excellent.
Care to explain more into this navillus.
FOS Navillus
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On September 18 2011 11:02 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 10:15 Navillus wrote:On September 18 2011 10:00 JeeJee wrote:
##vote:jeejee
The shadow is my friend. Is everyone ignoring this because this is standard Jee-Jee? or did people honestly miss it?
Im not ignoreing it im just too dumbfounded to know what to say about it.
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On September 18 2011 11:14 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 10:21 Navillus wrote:
Supersoft I am Elladan, Elven Prince, Vanilla Townie Extraordinaire (I added extraordinaire... I'm sure some people would try to make that out as a scum slip somehow) 1.This means jackshit, Curu explcitly stated that all scums have a safeclaim. Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 10:23 Navillus wrote:
God @#$% it I have now rolled VT in literally every &*!@ing game that had it that I have played in >:[ anyways if Drazerk gets to vote people with little to no justification then I do too
##Vote Drazerk 2.Does the exact same thing as drazerk does, fairly self explanitory. Its like your trying to start a bandwagon. Show nested quote +Wait does anyone think that he was seriously trying to get the ring?? I thought it was quite clear that his original post was a joke, not just the content he makes it look joking, it really is a null tell and doesn't matter if he contradicts it, cause you know, it was a joke... 3.Why defend him like this, just because he claims it was a joke at the time doesnt it mean it nessicarily does. He basically went "Ok guys gimmie the ring" then once people were like "wtf are you retarded or scum or some shits" then hes like naw JK. I mean really the only time your at all connected to him is this post and desite people being suspicious you have not given your thoughts into at all, all youve done really is talk about the ring and tunnel drazerk for borderline silly reasons. Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 02:11 Navillus wrote:Navillus, I feel as if you're pulling the noob card. This is your 6th game, you should know better than to claim day one. I looked through your older games and couldn't find any other instance where you opened the game with a claim, combined with the fact you decided to sound really angry with the random censored swears, makes me suspicious. Besides the random vote on Drazerk, who do you suspect right now? 6th game != learned anything in 1-5, esp. cause I died really quickly in some and wasn't paying that much attention to most of them so I couldn't really learn. Also you're either lying about looking through my games, or just didn't really try, cause last game I played I opened with basically the same line, a complaint about getting VT yet again (I think it was cosmic horror, if not it was 2 games ago in werewolves but I'm pretty sure it was cosmic horror.) As to my thoughts, I'm even more skeptical on Drazerk, I had figured that that first vote was pressure, and from what I know Dr. H is a very good vet player so I figured that's exactly what he was doing when he added his vote on, but Drazerk isn't as good as Dr. H, I could see him being scum and thinking that they could actually get a wagon going, then what made me more suspicious is that he completely ducks my vote and instead attacks me. 4.Dont bullshit noobcard me. at this point goes, "Oh he can do it but this person cannot because clearly this person is clearly beneath me and we should totally completely lynch him amirite? Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 06:09 Navillus wrote:
I'm extraordinarily thick and incapable of reasoning, so please that silver platter would be excellent. 5.Care to explain more into this navillus. FOS Navillus
1. That's why I didn't bother to give it originally, I just gave it in response to supersoft
2. Well that's because I did want a wagon because, you know, I thought and think that he is scum. The difference is that 1. I also wanted to force a response to get a further read on him, which I did, this further read made my suspicions stronger. 2. I was basing my vote off of what I perccieve to be pretty scummy actions he didn't even give his own reason for his vote, he just quoted someone, also Greymists original post did not look nearly scummy enough to drop a third vote on and try to start a bandwagon from which leads me to
3. It looked like a joke in the original post
I feel our best course of action day one has got to be to have whoever is in possession of the One Ring to come out of hiding and give it to me. I'll take good care of it.
This looks very much like a joke, I actually don't have much to add, if you can't identify when someone is joking and at the very least when someone obviously isn't actually pushing for something I don't know what I can say to convince you.
I'll take good care of it.
Does this really look like he thought there was any possibility of the ringbearer actually just handing it over based on this point??? And again my thoughts on him are that he was joking, if I think that, then there's not much for me to add.
4. I never said that Drazerk was beneath me, please don't put stupid words in my mouth it actually makes me angry. I compared him to Dr. H, and I also compared their actions which you neglected to mention.
5. And THIS is why we don't just filter people's posts and analyze them based on that, if you could have been bothered to actually read the thread you would see that that made perfect sense in context, I will not baby you and explain things that you should have read yourself, go back and read the whole thread please, THEN respond to this.
Finally, I have a question for you, you just spent probably a decent amount of time filtering my posts and writing this up, if you think ALL these things reflect badly on me then... why no vote? Don't worry I won't be offended, but seriously do you or do you not think that I'm scum, a FOS is a whimpy way of accusing me without having to take any responsibility, if you think I'm scum please I want you to vote for me.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
There are far too many people that are getting away with posting the minimum or nothing at all.
Palmar decides he isn't going to read the thread the first two days
JeeJee goes and randomly votes for himself
Erandorr has 9 pre-game posts and one real post
Archon_Toilet has two posts about flavor
Pyo has nothing of interest
If we don't call people out for doing nothing, scum are going to take advantage and lurk the game away.
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4. I never said that Drazerk was beneath me, please don't put stupid words in my mouth it actually makes me angry. I compared him to Dr. H, and I also compared their actions which you neglected to mention.
I meant that Drazerk was beneath DrH, not you.
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On September 18 2011 12:20 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +4. I never said that Drazerk was beneath me, please don't put stupid words in my mouth it actually makes me angry. I compared him to Dr. H, and I also compared their actions which you neglected to mention. I meant that Drazerk was beneath DrH, not you.
EBWOP:
and along with that I have to prod you around to get a better read, sure i could vote you but what does one vote mean?
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On September 18 2011 12:20 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +4. I never said that Drazerk was beneath me, please don't put stupid words in my mouth it actually makes me angry. I compared him to Dr. H, and I also compared their actions which you neglected to mention. I meant that Drazerk was beneath DrH, not you.
Ahh then I'm sorry for the tone of that, well to that I'll say that again what they said was different, the fact that he was dropping a third vote with no justification made him stand out, and his responses have not helped him while Dr. H has acted in my eyes fairly townie.
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On September 18 2011 11:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There are far too many people that are getting away with posting the minimum or nothing at all.
Palmar decides he isn't going to read the thread the first two days
JeeJee goes and randomly votes for himself
Erandorr has 9 pre-game posts and one real post
Archon_Toilet has two posts about flavor
Pyo has nothing of interest
If we don't call people out for doing nothing, scum are going to take advantage and lurk the game away.
Can we go and try to provoke some responses out of the last 3? The first two are relative veterans and thus other players can use what they already know of them to coax something of their position in this game. I want to throw the Kitchen Sink at the Archon_Toilet, just because it sounds appropriate for me.
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United States4714 Posts
Updated Day 1 Votecount
Greymist
Drazerk
DoctorHelvetica
Drazerk
Navillus
iGrok
wherebugsgo
TranceStorm
wherebugsgo
Cyber_cheese
wherebugsgo
DoctorHelvetica
Drazerk
iGrok
prplhz
chaoser
Greymist
raynpelikoneet
iGrok
GGQ
DoctorHelvetica
prplhz
JeeJee
JeeJee
About 19 hours left in the day.
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So many people yelling at each other, hard to read what is going on.
Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas.
We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts.
He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters.
So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom.
##Push GGQ into the fire
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So OriginalName started off this game with this:
On September 17 2011 10:12 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +Step 3, avoid lynching an easy target. This is a player with a few bad posts, or some flip floppy votes, or a badly phrased 'scum slip'. Easy targets give scum great excuses to get on a bandwagon. Instead we're going to lynch someone who is fairly active, but not saying anything worthwhile. With 5 posts per cycle it means we're going to have something to go on, however likely not till the later half of Day 1. Which leads to: I just want to point out how important this is before i read thread.
and has now gone ahead and started FoS'ing Navillus:
On September 18 2011 11:14 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 10:21 Navillus wrote:
Supersoft I am Elladan, Elven Prince, Vanilla Townie Extraordinaire (I added extraordinaire... I'm sure some people would try to make that out as a scum slip somehow) This means jackshit, Curu explcitly stated that all scums have a safeclaim. Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 10:23 Navillus wrote:
God @#$% it I have now rolled VT in literally every &*!@ing game that had it that I have played in >:[ anyways if Drazerk gets to vote people with little to no justification then I do too
##Vote Drazerk Does the exact same thing as drazerk does, fairly self explanitory. Its like your trying to start a bandwagon. Show nested quote +Wait does anyone think that he was seriously trying to get the ring?? I thought it was quite clear that his original post was a joke, not just the content he makes it look joking, it really is a null tell and doesn't matter if he contradicts it, cause you know, it was a joke... Why defend him like this, just because he claims it was a joke at the time doesnt it mean it nessicarily does. He basically went "Ok guys gimmie the ring" then once people were like "wtf are you retarded or scum or some shits" then hes like naw JK. I mean really the only time your at all connected to him is this post and desite people being suspicious you have not given your thoughts into at all, all youve done really is talk about the ring and tunnel drazerk for borderline silly reasons. Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 02:11 Navillus wrote:Navillus, I feel as if you're pulling the noob card. This is your 6th game, you should know better than to claim day one. I looked through your older games and couldn't find any other instance where you opened the game with a claim, combined with the fact you decided to sound really angry with the random censored swears, makes me suspicious. Besides the random vote on Drazerk, who do you suspect right now? 6th game != learned anything in 1-5, esp. cause I died really quickly in some and wasn't paying that much attention to most of them so I couldn't really learn. Also you're either lying about looking through my games, or just didn't really try, cause last game I played I opened with basically the same line, a complaint about getting VT yet again (I think it was cosmic horror, if not it was 2 games ago in werewolves but I'm pretty sure it was cosmic horror.) As to my thoughts, I'm even more skeptical on Drazerk, I had figured that that first vote was pressure, and from what I know Dr. H is a very good vet player so I figured that's exactly what he was doing when he added his vote on, but Drazerk isn't as good as Dr. H, I could see him being scum and thinking that they could actually get a wagon going, then what made me more suspicious is that he completely ducks my vote and instead attacks me. Dont bullshit noobcard me. at this point goes, "Oh he can do it but this person cannot because clearly this person is clearly beneath me and we should totally completely lynch him amirite? Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 06:09 Navillus wrote:
I'm extraordinarily thick and incapable of reasoning, so please that silver platter would be excellent. Care to explain more into this navillus. FOS Navillus
I'm going to keep an open mind about him but it just doesn't make sense for scum to draw attention to themselves by VT claiming so early when it'd be so much easier to say nothing.
Also, I disagree with your chastizing Drazerk for going along with a Grey vote without really giving a clear explanation. Reasons were already given, so really I don't see a problem with a random pressure vote – it's only when that vote remains unchanged at the end of the day that one should start becoming suspicious. In fact, I feel as though those guys quick to defend Grey and jump on Draz for that vote are more likely scum establishing town cred (or possibly defending a scum buddy).
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On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote:
So many people yelling at each other, hard to read what is going on.
Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas.
We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts.
He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters.
So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom.
##Push GGQ into the fire
This post is way more scummy than anything GGQ's said so far...
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At this point I'm gonna vote for wherebugsgo.
I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip.
##vote wherebugsgo
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On September 18 2011 15:48 Pyo wrote:
At this point I'm gonna vote for wherebugsgo.
I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip.
##vote wherebugsgo
This is pretty much why I voted for him. I want to see what his role does, and he's not acting at all like he did in Resurrection or... XL, was it? one of the normals where he beast-moded the game
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I still don't have the ring! What a surprise.
The following post is well-reasoned and should be listened to:
On September 18 2011 11:45 kitaman27 wrote:
There are far too many people that are getting away with posting the minimum or nothing at all.
Palmar decides he isn't going to read the thread the first two days
JeeJee goes and randomly votes for himself
Erandorr has 9 pre-game posts and one real post
Archon_Toilet has two posts about flavor
Pyo has nothing of interest
If we don't call people out for doing nothing, scum are going to take advantage and lurk the game away.
As I said earlier and as Kitaman has nailed pretty well, we absolutely need to encourage the lurkers to participate. If they don't participate, or we let them get away with stupid shit (more on this later) then we are just hurting ourselves.
We cannot let mafia blend in, and we need to identify when someone is trying to blend in, to identify them as scum. I will give you all two examples of this right now:
On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote:
So many people yelling at each other, hard to read what is going on.
Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas.
We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts.
He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters.
So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom.
##Push GGQ into the fire
Firstly, this guy is saying absolutely nothing with this entire post.
He says there are so many people yelling at each other, that it's hard to read what's going on. He insinuates that there is a lot of confusion and noise, yet he adds to this by splitting the vote even further and throwing a shitty vote on a person who so far has not done anything scummy (as far as I can tell.) The worst part is that there are no specifics in this post.
To clarify:
On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote:
Many plans and ideas, some good some bad.
Many plans and ideas, some good some bad. People who are making plans are probably not mafia, even if bad plans. Sauron would want us to not be planning, yes? All the people talking about ideas are not Mafia we need to look at the others. All the guys talking lots lik bugs, TranceStorm etc are probably fine just giving bad ideas.
wat
so, he says there are "many plans and ideas, some good some bad." Way to go sherlock, either the plan is good or it's bad. You've really told us a lot there. What the fuck is that supposed to contribute? What's specifically good about these "good plans"? Who made them?
What about the bad plans? The only thing he alludes to is that he thinks people like me and Trance are probably fine and just giving bad ideas. Well, the only idea I've pushed is giving me the ring. Trance is receiving votes, if Archon is scum then it totally makes sense for him to soft defend him here. And "all the guys" talking like us are fine.
Whoa, so if someone makes a plan they're autoconfirmed town? Wtf?
God this makes no sense whatsoever.
On September 18 2011 15:32 Archon_Toilet wrote:
We should kill GGQ. Happy to hide and let everyone yell at each other. He only talk when the arguing has died down and only make one line posts, just trying to make the 5 posts.
He make excuse and sorry about making bad suspicion, promise to come back and say more but never did. Vote igrok when he said there are no good candidates? Then try to direct vote? Add another suspicion on Vain for no reason just muddy the waters.
So wishy-washy too. We should push him into mount doom.
##Push GGQ into the fire
Yeah hey guess what genius, you were lurking until now too, AFTER you were called out on your shitty posting record. I'm pretty sure you're just throwing a random vote out there and feigning analysis so you don't get a shitstorm for not posting and not contributing anything.
This isn't even a real vote!
Our last example is this:
On September 18 2011 15:48 Pyo wrote:
At this point I'm gonna vote for wherebugsgo.
I feel like 3rd parties tend to be more harmful to town than scum and at the very least he hasn't been particularly pro-town. Throw on top of that the potential that he's full of shit or that we might learn something about the game set-up/mechanics, I'm perfectly happy to see him flip.
##vote wherebugsgo
Clear lack of reading comprehension/hasn't read the thread.
Granted, from what I saw in XLIV his town play is absolutely horrible so I'm not inclined to think he's scum. However, the type of logic he's using is precisely pro-mafia logic. I wouldn't put it past him to be scum, but for now we just need to push more posts out of our friend here Pyo.
Specifically, the bolded part is his reason for voting me. In other words, he doesn't think I'm scum. He's voting me because he wants to get information.
That's a terrible reason to want to lynch someone. You lynch someone primarily because you think they're scum. You get information NO MATTER WHO YOU LYNCH.
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