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Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
September 17 2011 22:50 GMT
#361
Lol I think Wbg is just trying to be palmar right now (which is a pretty fucking stupid idea)

If there are post restrictions I would be really surprised because Curu really hates those things . But then he might just take it out on us or do it for some sort of balance reasons so its pure speculation.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
September 17 2011 22:55 GMT
#362
On September 18 2011 07:50 Erandorr wrote:
Lol I think Wbg is just trying to be palmar right now (which is a pretty fucking stupid idea)

If there are post restrictions I would be really surprised because Curu really hates those things . But then he might just take it out on us or do it for some sort of balance reasons so its pure speculation.

It does fit the flavor well though
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
September 17 2011 23:06 GMT
#363
On September 18 2011 07:55 iGrok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 07:50 Erandorr wrote:
Lol I think Wbg is just trying to be palmar right now (which is a pretty fucking stupid idea)

If there are post restrictions I would be really surprised because Curu really hates those things . But then he might just take it out on us or do it for some sort of balance reasons so its pure speculation.

It does fit the flavor well though

Not really...
I'd be playing more along the lines of:
They took my precious
etc.
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
September 17 2011 23:11 GMT
#364
theres no way a restriction would be that obvious. Come on now
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
September 17 2011 23:22 GMT
#365
He's an easy lynch though, and I don't think he's mafia. Best case scenario is that he's third-party, worst-case is that he's trolling town. This means that we create an incredibly easy lynch for mafia to jump on, and that will generate very little discussion and thus information for town.

Like I said, it's better to ignore his ring stuff for now, and just treat him like a normal player. If he doesn't shape up his posting or give us relevancy, then we vig him.
you gotta dance
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
September 17 2011 23:24 GMT
#366
I don't think WBG is trolling town. He's proven himself to be a good, very capable player in the games I've played with him.

This makes him third party. Interesting. And I think I know what his wincon is.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 17 2011 23:24 GMT
#367
hey guys, I'm in a good mood so I'm not gonna ruin it by reading the thread. See you tomorrow
Computer says mafia
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
September 17 2011 23:38 GMT
#368
On September 18 2011 08:24 iGrok wrote:
I don't think WBG is trolling town. He's proven himself to be a good, very capable player in the games I've played with him.

This makes him third party. Interesting. And I think I know what his wincon is.

To get the ring!? =O

I'm assuming that if he's Gollum/Smeagol, then he needs to get the ring, and at that point he wins, and he's probably removed from the game along with the ring.

I'd also figure that his abilities are to either kill every night to get the ring that way, or just try to steal from people. Killing makes sense though, as Gollum strangles people. :p

There's not much motivation for what he's doing from a mafia perspective. Best case scenario, is people just ignore him, but then he has no thread presence which would be needed later in the game. Worst case scenario is he just gets vig shot, which vigs would do, if they're intelligent. This leaves the possibility of being town or third-party. (Just wanted to expand on this, as I didn't properly explain it before)

So, I don't think he's a great lynch target day 1, from the information side of things, unless we feel it's worth lynching to remove a potential KP from the game. The problem with this is we don't even know if he has a KP or not for sure, so I'd say no for now.

you gotta dance
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
September 17 2011 23:44 GMT
#369
If we don't have a viable serious scum target then I'd be fine getting rid of a detrimental player who is probably a third party SK. Better than hitting town.

However, let's knock off the "he's too bad to be scum" nonsense. I've seen worse from mafia players in the past. being bad doesn't clear you.
RIP Aaliyah
iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
September 17 2011 23:46 GMT
#370
Theres no way he would have a ring-stealing ability with no way to search for it. Think about that
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wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
September 18 2011 00:09 GMT
#371
Thank God some people in this town have some sense (aka iGrok)

Also I find it really funny that both Erandor and Palmar posted ONCE very shortly after I called them out on inactivity.

I will be back in several hours, I have a thing to go to tonight. If I don't have the ring...well, can't say I won't be surprised.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 18 2011 00:25 GMT
#372
okay I just catched up and made my notes.

chaoser
votes Greymist to start the discussion and pressure him (doesnt really vote in the thread)
DrH and Drazerk follow him on that - therefore he concludes that they are probably town.

„From that action, I'm leaning on Dr.H and Drazerk being town since they immediately pick up on what I'm trying to do and votes to put pressure on
greymist.“


This might be some kind of a scumslip. I don't know why he posts that. They are not under pressure and he's not under pressure.

He also votes prplhz. I don't think prplhz is a better lynchcandidate than Greymist. Chaoser is suspicious in my eyes

GreYMisT
He made a joke about the ring in his first post. Chaoser DrH and Drazerk vote him. I defend him and say it probably was a joke. He comes back and says that chaoser and DrH provided good reasons for their votes on him? - Suspicious. Obviously they had no good reasons, they just wanted to start a discussion.
Okay. Later on he agrees with me and says it was a joke.

@ Navillus
ah, you claim VT. I'd like to know what race you are. like hobbit/dwarf etc. Just curious. Can you say your name? I just want to know.

@ Drazerk

How do you know, that postrestricions are definetely in place. Are you restricted? I'll filter you :-P

about Drazerk: He votes grey, thinks he posted a reason before, but hasnt... lol

iGrok

Votes Drazerk. Gives no reason. I expect way more out of him. I saw him play as GF in my first mafiagame on TL.net.
He made huge posts, gave reasons etc. If you're town, please give some more reasons etc.

@ TranceStorm
your plan sucks.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 18 2011 00:28 GMT
#373
these players are suspicious for me so far. WBG isn't he could be everything. He also could be Bilbo who's crazy and just wants his ring back; he could be Gollum; he could be Sauron. Whatever, we don't know.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
September 18 2011 00:31 GMT
#374
and yes. I changed my playstyle :D
I won't spam that much this game, I couldn't convince anyone not to lynch sevryn and hiro in TL Mafia VXL or whatever it was by spamming. This won't happen again.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
September 18 2011 00:47 GMT
#375
okay i don't like drh i'm reluctant to push a mafia forum legend on first day but then someone said that if you have a vibe you should just go for it

On September 17 2011 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him.

##Vote Greymist

I don't think our mod would hand the ring off to an evil player day 1. It's probably with a Frodo , Bilbo, or Gollum if we have any of those roles. So we know Greymist either has a protown power that is greatly amplified by the one ring, or is part of a neutral/evil faction that needs the ring for some reason.

And Chaoser is right. We can't spend this whole game talking about roles. Scumhunting is #1.


voting greymist because he asked for ring on day1 .. asking for ring is pretty silly but the vote doesn't accomplish anything as i really doubt anybody will feel pressured by a couple of votes this early in the voting cycle with that bad of a reasonable

On September 17 2011 15:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

TranceStorm has a bad plan. Big deal, hopefully he can be made to see the problem with it. The main problem is that this game is not about confirming townies using mechanics we don't understand the goal is to find and catch scum.

Wherebugsgo I don't know your metagame but here's what I see.

1. begging for the ring in every post
2. vague allusions to why you want it
3. voting for TranceStorm and FOSing him with no reasons.

You're playing absolutely detrimental to town. This is not pro-town play, it is not how we catch scum. It's how shit gets stirred and people always let bad scum like this slide (coag in countless games) because they figure "oh no way scum would act so brashly or bad".

##Vote wherebugsgo

At the very least, if you aren't scum, you are a stellar example of how town players should never act


as you say, wbh is bad-townie not scum. you don't waste a lynch on a dude because he's a bad townie, you threaten with vigihits or hope he gets mafia killed or his mom takes his internet away. as pressure it makes little sense as he was already posting his ass off.


On September 18 2011 05:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

(... blah blah blah...)

Honestly on Day 1 I'd be more content lynching a pretty sure SK/Third Party player than some gut scum read that is probably wrong and end up killing some VT or power role that is actually helping us. As far as your posting all you are is an annoyance and a distraction.


is he scum acting as bad townie or is he SK? anyway, you are saying that we should all vote for this guy because he's 3rd party, instead of lynching someone who might be scum just because we can't be sure? this is a terrible idea, you lynch scum and 3rd party is left until a vigilante shoots them or until you have a scumtell on them. and you can never be sure that someone is scum, it will always be analysis and gut feelings and you're not encouraging that right now.

on the whole multiple candidates v all votes on single target, i'm pretty sure it's always better if there are multiple candidates and i can't believe you're actually trying to argue that that's not the case. your argument is that 100% votes on a target who is 100% scum is best, but you will never be 100% sure that someone is scum, is that what you want to wait around for?

On September 18 2011 06:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

(... blah blah blah ...)
I've decided you're a clown and I'm not wasting anymore discussion talking to you about this. Come up with something good enough to reply to and I'll think about it. You're just noise.


i really don't think you're trying to promote a good environment for scum hunting by saying that someone is a clown and noise.

On September 18 2011 08:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

If we don't have a viable serious scum target then I'd be fine getting rid of a detrimental player who is probably a third party SK. Better than hitting town.

However, let's knock off the "he's too bad to be scum" nonsense. I've seen worse from mafia players in the past. being bad doesn't clear you.


again, you'd rather just lynch wbg than trying to scumhunt and you want a guy who is 100% scum. well do you think we're gonna get that by just all voting for wbg and then calling it a day? scum wants 3rd party dead too i think, gollum wasn't exactly on sauron's side.

all in all i think drh is playing pretty weird compared to what i have seen from other people who are supposedly good at this game and i think he is promoting agendas that aren't good for town and if he's that smart he'd know that. the guy is scummier than the other dudes, 'cause none of them were really that scummy after all.

##Vote: DoctorHelvetica
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
September 18 2011 00:57 GMT
#376
No, I'm voting for WBG because I have no strong scum read and his play is the most anti-town. If I had to guess his role it's a neutral serial killer and I'd rather day 1 lynch an SK than what will probably be a town. I also never said WBG isn't scum. It's day 1.

So far our scum cases boil down to "your plan was stupid" "you didn't post enough" and "idk you voted for me and you didn't explain it well."

If I get a strong scum read then I'll move my vote. My read on WBG is either scum or SK. Either way, he's a detriment to town and I'm pretty sure he is not a pro-town role. I feel more comfortable voting for a player that I'm about 75% sure is a non-town player than a player I'm 15% sure might be scum.

My vote for greymist was really just a placeholder to get him talking. That's pretty standard stuff.

That's it. I'm not concerned with defending myself, I'm doing what I feel is right. WBG has been posting a little bit more constructively and at the very least, if he is a bad townie, he's learning that you can't shit post and troll without getting heat. There are still 24 hours left but so far all of the "scum" cases I've seen have been incredibly weak and I don't know why people seem to think it's impossible WBG is scum in the first place. Because he's too reckless? I've seen worse.
RIP Aaliyah
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
September 18 2011 01:00 GMT
#377
##vote:jeejee

The shadow is my friend.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
September 18 2011 01:08 GMT
#378
I voted for greymistfirst, prphlz. If you're going to use that to throw suspicion on drh and say it doesn't do anything you should have said that about me. You also talk about every person who voted for you before but curiously left me out. You avoiding me? Where's the love?
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 18 2011 01:15 GMT
#379
On September 18 2011 10:00 JeeJee wrote:
##vote:jeejee

The shadow is my friend.

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"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
September 18 2011 01:21 GMT
#380
Supersoft I am Elladan, Elven Prince, Vanilla Townie Extraordinaire (I added extraordinaire... I'm sure some people would try to make that out as a scum slip somehow)
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
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