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heist
United States720 Posts
On September 18 2011 03:34 OriginalName wrote: Im 99% sure DrH is not doing the exact same thing as Drazerk to begin with... They both placed a pressure vote purely based on Greymist asking for the ring. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
I've read quickly through the thread, and will probably go back and read through some of it again later. Couple of things: I see a lot of people assuming that the forces of evil will have no ability to transfer the ring. Personally, I think this is a silly assumption to make. There are at least two characters I can think of off the top of my head who flavour-wise would be able to transfer the ring: Lurtz and the Ringwraiths. Both were sent out by Saruman and Sauron respectively to retrieve the ring for their masters, so it makes sense that they can take the ring, and then transfer it. The best thing, would be to assume that some scum players can transfer the ring, and some can't, just like town. To assume that your opponents don't at least have the same potential powers as you seems arrogant and unsafe. (As shown by some of the possible plans revolving around the ring) I'm a little out of it right now, so if I say anything weird or blatantly incorrect when talking about players, feel free to point it out. I know I did this reading through the thread, where in my head, I'd think someone was scummy-scum, but really I just forgot half of what they wrote or mixed them up with someone, or something equally silly. Right now, I think it's safe to say that WBG is either Smeagol/Gollum or just trolling. He should be pressured for his thoughts, and if he's not forth-coming, should be ignored or vigilante-shot. Responding to him and encouraging him by giving him attention just detract from the thread by filling it with spam. Also, on the topic of Gollum, I think that he's very likely third party. He'll probably work like an SK, able to make one kill a night, and wins when he kills the ring-bearer and receives the ring, removing himself and it from the game. This is what makes the most sense for me. As well, if there's the potential for a role that could just steal the ring, who could that be (Besides maybe Gollum)? I haven't read the books since ~10 years ago, and haven't watched the movies for a while, either. One person who it could make sense for, is Boromir, however, as I remember him wanting to steal the ring. I'm just asking this, because people are worried about killing a possible Gollum because they think he's the only one who can steal the ring. (And like he'd work for us, either :p) Right now, I don't like Drazerk's vote on WBG, because like I said, he's either trolling, or he's third-party with a posting restriction. So, that makes him a weak lynch target, and unless he starts contributing, a good vig target. Remember mafia can troll too, just look at Cosmic Horror. I think heist actually makes a good point about navillus. There's a difference between making a vote for pressure, and making a vote for someone acting scummy. What he did, is say he made a vote for a specific reason, and later retracts it and says it's for pressure. Last thing, there's been a lot of this: On September 18 2011 03:13 Derpsky wrote: Guys, stop talking/speculating about roles/set-up, it's spammy and non-contributory! *Proceeds to speculate about roles and set-up* Stop it >.< | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
On September 18 2011 03:11 heist wrote: Navillus Claiming your role hours into the game is the single most suspicious thing anyone has done this game. Not only is this your very first post into the game, but you also start off with a very early vote. Let's place this in conjunction with your latest post. 1. Your original claim for voting for Drazerk is that he had no justification. Yet now you admit that you knew exactly what DrH and Drazerk were trying to do: create pressure. But you feel the need to start your game off by voting for one of them. It's a safe and easy vote at the time but now there is clear contradiction between your reasoning then and your justifications now. 2. Your entire response to people (one of whom is Drazerk) calling you out on claiming so early is troubling to me. You claim over and over to be inexperienced and you start attacking those that called you out, namely Drazerk. 3. Furthermore, your reasoning for attacking Drazerk is a little troubling. So... if I understand correctly, DrH and Drazerk do the exact same thing, but one is a vet townie and one is scummy? Based purely on how you good you think they are? You also provide additional justification in saying he attacked you. He never attacked you, he called you out for claiming VT. I can believe you made a mistake, but your reactions so far to being challenged is one that I find highly suspicious. Then why aren't you voting for me? Also I numbered you're main paragraphs for clarity Now to respond - Claiming was a mistake I've said that don't have much more to add, there wasn't any deep reason for it, just a bad decision. 1. I don't admit that I know exactly what both of them were doing, I both now and at the time believed that the original vote was pressure, I also believe that Dr. H's vote was also pressure because he adds a little and yes because he's supposedly very good, good enough to not as scum try to start a bandwagon with the second vote of the game. I don't though believe that Drazerk's vote was necessarily also pressure, he just quoted someone else and dropped his vote there, adding basically nothing. 2. I'm not attacking him for calling me out, I was attacking him before he called me out and my problem isn't that he called me out, it's that he called me out in place of actually answering my accusation 3. Yes the fact that one is a vet did factor into my thoughts, but also as I said Dr. H didn't just quote chaoser and go on his way, Drazerk did. And again, it's not that he attacked me or called me out that's suspicious it's that he ignored the original accusation and attacked, or called out, or whatevered me instead, that serves to both divert attention from him and to attempt to discredit his accuser without actually responding. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
I'm a little out of it right now, so if I say anything weird or blatantly incorrect when talking about players, feel free to point it out. I know I did this reading through the thread, where in my head, I'd think someone was scummy-scum, but really I just forgot half of what they wrote or mixed them up with someone, or something equally silly. I think heist actually makes a good point about navillus. There's a difference between making a vote for pressure, and making a vote for someone acting scummy. What he did, is say he made a vote for a specific reason, and later retracts it and says it's for pressure. Yep, I did it! For some reason, I thought that Navillus was voting on the bandwagon, but it was really Drazerk, and I screwed up reading heist's post. | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On September 18 2011 03:41 Mr. Wiggles wrote: kita missed me! <3 I've read quickly through the thread, and will probably go back and read through some of it again later. Couple of things: I see a lot of people assuming that the forces of evil will have no ability to transfer the ring. Personally, I think this is a silly assumption to make. There are at least two characters I can think of off the top of my head who flavour-wise would be able to transfer the ring: Lurtz and the Ringwraiths. Both were sent out by Saruman and Sauron respectively to retrieve the ring for their masters, so it makes sense that they can take the ring, and then transfer it. The best thing, would be to assume that some scum players can transfer the ring, and some can't, just like town. To assume that your opponents don't at least have the same potential powers as you seems arrogant and unsafe. (As shown by some of the possible plans revolving around the ring) I'm a little out of it right now, so if I say anything weird or blatantly incorrect when talking about players, feel free to point it out. I know I did this reading through the thread, where in my head, I'd think someone was scummy-scum, but really I just forgot half of what they wrote or mixed them up with someone, or something equally silly. Right now, I think it's safe to say that WBG is either Smeagol/Gollum or just trolling. He should be pressured for his thoughts, and if he's not forth-coming, should be ignored or vigilante-shot. Responding to him and encouraging him by giving him attention just detract from the thread by filling it with spam. Also, on the topic of Gollum, I think that he's very likely third party. He'll probably work like an SK, able to make one kill a night, and wins when he kills the ring-bearer and receives the ring, removing himself and it from the game. This is what makes the most sense for me. As well, if there's the potential for a role that could just steal the ring, who could that be (Besides maybe Gollum)? I haven't read the books since ~10 years ago, and haven't watched the movies for a while, either. One person who it could make sense for, is Boromir, however, as I remember him wanting to steal the ring. I'm just asking this, because people are worried about killing a possible Gollum because they think he's the only one who can steal the ring. (And like he'd work for us, either :p) Right now, I don't like Drazerk's vote on WBG, because like I said, he's either trolling, or he's third-party with a posting restriction. So, that makes him a weak lynch target, and unless he starts contributing, a good vig target. Remember mafia can troll too, just look at Cosmic Horror. I think heist actually makes a good point about navillus. There's a difference between making a vote for pressure, and making a vote for someone acting scummy. What he did, is say he made a vote for a specific reason, and later retracts it and says it's for pressure. Last thing, there's been a lot of this: On September 18 2011 03:13 Derpsky wrote: Guys, stop talking/speculating about roles/set-up, it's spammy and non-contributory! *Proceeds to speculate about roles and set-up* Stop it >.< Just pointing this out wiggles... | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
I never said it's spammy/non-contributory, so I'm not contradicting myself. I'm talking about the people who say that, and then contradict themselves right away. If you don't want to talk about set-up, say so and give reasons why. Don't say we shouldn't talk about set-up, and then talk about set-up. It honestly looks scummy to me, because you get to cast suspicion on every other player talking about set-up, while looking like you're contributing by... talking about set-up. | ||
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TranceStorm
1616 Posts
On September 18 2011 02:24 iGrok wrote: Greymist's thing is not something to lynch for, but it is something to remember in the future. But he is someone to keep an eye on. I think whoever said WBG is probably gollum with a post restriction is right. But Drazerk has my biggest suspicions today, and lynching him will also give us the most information so far, both about greymist and the others who jumped on him. So, ##Vote Drazerk This is iGrok's only contribution to the thread at the moment. Having played with iGrok in one game before, he was much more active at the beginning of the game and tried to reason his votes better than this (he was godfather though haha). Nevertheless, I would love to hear more from you, iGrok about your thoughts about what is going on. Currently, he seems to be slipping by relatively unnoticed. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On September 18 2011 02:35 heist wrote: These kind of posts are exactly what we can't allow to just slide by. You are just posting aggressive little one-liners that aren't exactly contributing much to town discussion. If you disagree with someone, I would ask that you flesh out your ideas more and provide your thoughts on specific players. As a side note, the reason we want at least two majority candidates is it forces everyone to make a choice. If we have just one easy target everyone votes for, we will gain absolutely no information based on the lynch since everyone voted the same. Being forced to choose creates liability and patterns will start to emerge that can be worked with. If the situation is 1 townie and 1 scum on the chopping block, and the mafia try to swing majority votes for the townie, that's a lot of information that we can use. While having 2 lynch candidates as opposed to one is obviously a good thing, the bolded portion is almost the definition of WIFOM. Analysis on that level requires to many assumptions and "what ifs" to be effective. I took chaoser's advice and looked at prplhz's posts this game. Unfortunatly i couldnt come up with much more than chaoser already mentioned. Take a look at his filter though. Notice how all his posts are typically very neutral/don't contribute much. Especially note how, around the time i was accumulating votes, he gently nudges people's attention towards me, and yet doesn't vote, even when others have. after his very brief post regarding me, he goes back to talking about other things. It seems to me that he was setting himself up to join my bandwagon should it continue to form as the day progressed. All of his posts definatly give off the feel of a mafia player trying to appear usefull, yet flying under the radar. and for that: ##Vote prplhz prplhz, Do you have any suspicions/thoughts you would like to share? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Vain is definitely being antagonistic and the fact that he slipped under the radar for such bad posting isn't a good sign. People seem to be complaining that we're still talking about Gollum or the ring or whatever but most of the discussion on the last few pages is about a lynch so stop complaining. I'm keeping my vote on WBG until I make up my mind. Vain, Drazerk, prplhz are all people I'm looking at. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 17 2011 16:52 syllogism wrote: Even if you really are gollum, you are going to get vigied/lynched if you keep that up. No player gets an exemption from scum hunting. Nah, both would be a waste. Who says I'm not scumhunting? On September 17 2011 17:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: does your role require you to shitpost or is it just something you do for fun I think the answer to that one is obvious. On September 17 2011 18:23 Drazerk wrote: Find scum and we will give you the ring. Not the other way around. I already found you scum, look at TranceStorm. On September 17 2011 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl, exactly my thoughts. What are you going to accomplish with that attitude WBG? Wtf kind of stupid question is that? Obviously I want the ring, what else should I say? [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 19:22 xtfftc wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 13:37 chaos13 wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 10:35 xtfftc wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 09:32 Radfield wrote: Posts like this(mine) should not be given consideration when you are trying to determine a players alignment. [/quote] They definitely should be.[/QUOTE] As a side note, it would be rather fun if WBG is indeed Gollum and part of his role is asking for the ring in every single post he makes. And I know I just said that theorycrafting gets us nowhere near to catching mafia but I can't help myself.[/quote] This guy is good. Real good. + Show Spoiler + gimme the ring bitch [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote: Also, none of the currently discussed lynch targets are viable. They are all easy ones. I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players.[/QUOTE] WAIT WHAT LOL [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 19:29 syllogism wrote: WBG what is your win con[/QUOTE] Why do you guys keep asking obvious questions? [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 22:46 chaos13 wrote: No more discussion of the Ring. It's just leading us to the same conversations that we have already covered and is providing a great atmosphere that scum can hide in without having to talk about anything else. It's good to see that we're moving more into player analysis. [/quote] NO. Party pooper. [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 22:46 chaos13 wrote: wherebugsgo - Jester or Village Idiot is my immediate thought. There is no way he is this bad.[/quote] I read this, then read the name at the top of the post and laughed. [QUOTE]On September 18 2011 00:16 Radfield wrote: [QUOTE]On September 18 2011 00:00 chaos13 wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 23:57 Jackal58 wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 23:38 chaos13 wrote: [QUOTE]On September 17 2011 23:30 Jackal58 wrote: What would you like me to say? The discussion regarding the ring and its mechanics is fucking useless speculation? There I said it. The only thing I saw comment worthy was Bug's request for the ring. He has since claimed to be Sauron and Gollem. But you guys want to keep speculating on the mechanics of the ring. [/QUOTE] So comment on something else. There are enough posts by this point that you can generate some productive discussion by scumhunting and analyzing. We've got at least ten pages of constant posting, so go through that and find some scum instead of complaining when you are rightfully called out for not contributing.[/QUOTE] Read what I just posted. Or do you require me to say: WTF IS UP WITH BUGS??????? Discuss. [/QUOTE] Already discussed it. VI or Jester. Agree?[/QUOTE] Disagree. There's no need to be so blatant as a VI. Perhaps he just wants the ring.... either way though, he's shown himself to be active and contributory in his past few games. Either he picks it up or he doesn't, but we're not lynching based on him spamming about the ring. + Show Spoiler + On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote: Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymist asking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. On September 17 2011 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him. ##Vote Greymist I don't think our mod would hand the ring off to an evil player day 1. It's probably with a Frodo , Bilbo, or Gollum if we have any of those roles. So we know Greymist either has a protown power that is greatly amplified by the one ring, or is part of a neutral/evil faction that needs the ring for some reason. And Chaoser is right. We can't spend this whole game talking about roles. Scumhunting is #1. These are foolish reasons to be voting for a player. It's far more often townies who make posts like that than it is mafia. You both know better than that. I don't understand the hostility for Trancestorm. [/QUOTE] You've been stalking me! [QUOTE]On September 18 2011 01:54 kitaman27 wrote: If you do have a post restriction, take a look at personality mafia and how detrimental they were to town. Even if you do have a restriction, doesn't mean you get a free pass to be useless and not contribute.[/QUOTE] I'm not useless. I'm more use than half the town has been so far. Started discussion, no? Can't be a bad thing. [QUOTE]On September 18 2011 02:14 Drazerk wrote: Posting restrictions are definitely in place. As for me jumping on the gray bandwagon I actually pointed out the ring rubbish before Choaser but I am currently leaning on WBG being the more likely scum member now. Ill be gone for the next couple of hours so sorry about any sort of inactivity.[/QUOTE] THIS GUY IS SCUM. He thinks, "wherebugsgo has a posting restriction"=he must be scum. Hey genius, guess what, I'm not scum just because I have a posting restriction. I voted TranceStorm because he had a terrible anti-town plan (which was super obvious when reading his posts) but your vote reason on me is even worse than mine. I figured people would pick up on my bad vote, which would lead to worse votes on me. This guy here is trying to get town cred by saying he pointed out the "ring rubbish" before Chaoser, then admitting he jumped on the greymist bandwagon, then finally saying I'm suddenly leaning more scum when I haven't posted anything (due to being asleep). His vote on me is almost entirely based on the fact that I have a posting restriction. ##unvote ##vote Drazerk. I also want to call attention to heist's post, he was accusatory of Navillus having done "the most scummy thing" in the game so far yet he didn't even vote him. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 17 2011 16:52 syllogism wrote: Even if you really are gollum, you are going to get vigied/lynched if you keep that up. No player gets an exemption from scum hunting. Nah, both would be a waste. Who says I'm not scumhunting? On September 17 2011 17:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: does your role require you to shitpost or is it just something you do for fun I think the answer to that one is obvious. On September 17 2011 18:23 Drazerk wrote: Find scum and we will give you the ring. Not the other way around. I already found you scum, look at TranceStorm. On September 17 2011 18:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl, exactly my thoughts. What are you going to accomplish with that attitude WBG? Wtf kind of stupid question is that? Obviously I want the ring, what else should I say? On September 17 2011 19:22 xtfftc wrote: As a side note, it would be rather fun if WBG is indeed Gollum and part of his role is asking for the ring in every single post he makes. And I know I just said that theorycrafting gets us nowhere near to catching mafia but I can't help myself. This guy is good. Real good. + Show Spoiler + gimme the ring bitch On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote: Also, none of the currently discussed lynch targets are viable. They are all easy ones. I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players. WAIT WHAT LOL On September 17 2011 19:29 syllogism wrote: WBG what is your win con Why do you guys keep asking obvious questions? On September 17 2011 22:46 chaos13 wrote: No more discussion of the Ring. It's just leading us to the same conversations that we have already covered and is providing a great atmosphere that scum can hide in without having to talk about anything else. It's good to see that we're moving more into player analysis. NO. Party pooper. On September 17 2011 22:46 chaos13 wrote: wherebugsgo - Jester or Village Idiot is my immediate thought. There is no way he is this bad. I read this, then read the name at the top of the post and laughed. On September 18 2011 00:16 Radfield wrote: Disagree. There's no need to be so blatant as a VI. Perhaps he just wants the ring.... either way though, he's shown himself to be active and contributory in his past few games. Either he picks it up or he doesn't, but we're not lynching based on him spamming about the ring. + Show Spoiler + On September 17 2011 08:56 chaoser wrote: Let's get this game started! As always, some general advice: Point 3 in particular should be on everyone's mind. Palmer really messed town up in the previous game by basically making Day 2 a huge mess with over-aggression and spam. And then basically the only reason mafia was lynched in that game was due to blue power, breaking point 2. Let's NOT bank on blues to win the game this time. Also, ##vote: Greymist asking for the ring outright? tsk tsk. My steel and iron comes for you. On September 17 2011 09:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Greymist straight up asking for the ring day 1 doesn't bode well for him. ##Vote Greymist I don't think our mod would hand the ring off to an evil player day 1. It's probably with a Frodo , Bilbo, or Gollum if we have any of those roles. So we know Greymist either has a protown power that is greatly amplified by the one ring, or is part of a neutral/evil faction that needs the ring for some reason. And Chaoser is right. We can't spend this whole game talking about roles. Scumhunting is #1. These are foolish reasons to be voting for a player. It's far more often townies who make posts like that than it is mafia. You both know better than that. I don't understand the hostility for Trancestorm. You've been stalking me! On September 18 2011 01:54 kitaman27 wrote: If you do have a post restriction, take a look at personality mafia and how detrimental they were to town. Even if you do have a restriction, doesn't mean you get a free pass to be useless and not contribute. I'm not useless. I'm more use than half the town has been so far. Started discussion, no? Can't be a bad thing. On September 18 2011 02:14 Drazerk wrote: Posting restrictions are definitely in place. As for me jumping on the gray bandwagon I actually pointed out the ring rubbish before Choaser but I am currently leaning on WBG being the more likely scum member now. Ill be gone for the next couple of hours so sorry about any sort of inactivity. THIS GUY IS SCUM. He thinks, "wherebugsgo has a posting restriction"=he must be scum. Hey genius, guess what, I'm not scum just because I have a posting restriction. I voted TranceStorm because he had a terrible anti-town plan (which was super obvious when reading his posts) but your vote reason on me is even worse than mine. I figured people would pick up on my bad vote, which would lead to worse votes on me. This guy here is trying to get town cred by saying he pointed out the "ring rubbish" before Chaoser, then admitting he jumped on the greymist bandwagon, then finally saying I'm suddenly leaning more scum when I haven't posted anything (due to being asleep). His vote on me is almost entirely based on the fact that I have a posting restriction. ##unvote ##vote Drazerk. I also want to call attention to heist's post, he was accusatory of Navillus having done "the most scummy thing" in the game so far yet he didn't even vote him. | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
On September 18 2011 02:24 iGrok wrote: Greymist's thing is not something to lynch for, but it is something to remember in the future. But he is someone to keep an eye on. I think whoever said WBG is probably gollum with a post restriction is right. But Drazerk has my biggest suspicions today, and lynching him will also give us the most information so far, both about greymist and the others who jumped on him. So, ##Vote Drazerk What suspicions are those? Not to mention how bout we lynch to kill scum, instead of lynching to figure out information.[/QUOTE] I'm all for lynching scum, but I highly doubt we hit scum today. There's no good candidates yet. That being said, upon rereading I have no idea why I was suspicious of Drazerk. Chalk that up to an awful hangover. I'll try to work up something better soon | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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wherebugsgo
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syllogism
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
"TranceStorm is scum TranceStorm is scum Trancestorm is scum" is not scumhunting. Neither are OMGUS votes based on bad misunderstandings of what another player is saying. You said your first vote/reasons were bad. Yet in that same post you say " I already found you scum, look at TranceStorm." That's some big confidence for a "bad" vote. Cut the bullshit. It's obvious that what ever you are, you're not here to help us. Honestly on Day 1 I'd be more content lynching a pretty sure SK/Third Party player than some gut scum read that is probably wrong and end up killing some VT or power role that is actually helping us. As far as your posting all you are is an annoyance and a distraction. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 18 2011 05:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Drazerk never said that you're scum because you have posting restrictions. You aren't making any sense and now that you're getting "pressure" to scumhunt you're showing the worst case of scumhunting I've ever seen. "TranceStorm is scum TranceStorm is scum Trancestorm is scum" is not scumhunting. Neither are OMGUS votes based on bad misunderstandings of what another player is saying. You said your first vote/reasons were bad. Yet in that same post you say " I already found you scum, look at TranceStorm." That's some big confidence for a "bad" vote. Cut the bullshit. It's obvious that what ever you are, you're not here to help us. Honestly on Day 1 I'd be more content lynching a pretty sure SK/Third Party player than some gut scum read that is probably wrong and end up killing some VT or power role that is actually helping us. As far as your posting all you are is an annoyance and a distraction. Are you fucking kidding? Drazerk didn't say anything about me being scum other than "leaning" scum on me. In the same post he says there are "definitely posting restrictions" when participating in a conversation about me talking about the ring in posts I make. Drazerk is scummy. I also think TranceStorm is scummy, I don't think my vote reason was bad, I just didn't explicitly state my vote reason. I wanted it to appear "bad" to promote discussion (which I did, no?) | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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