EPTOn September 17 2011 23:14 Ciryandor wrote:
Where is JeeJee BTW?
Where is JeeJee BTW?
We're missing plenty of players right now, why are you so focused on Jeejee?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
We're missing plenty of players right now, why are you so focused on Jeejee? | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On September 18 2011 00:00 chaos13 wrote: Already discussed it. VI or Jester. Agree? No I don't. He's acting more like ON did in PTP2 trying to get the hallows. He was Voldemort and was town aligned. I was a scummy Harry Potter and had no problem with getting him lynched. This looks a lot like the same kind of shit except I'm town this time. So I want input on who or what he might possibly be. Other than Bug's behavior the only thing I see I don't really like is this post: On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote: Also, none of the currently discussed lynch targets are viable. They are all easy ones. I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players. I can buy into the first part. Somebody stating they don't have a scummy feeling about anybody getting votes so far is fair enough. But following it up with let's just pick a random person is pure stupid and borderline scummy. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
On September 18 2011 00:25 Jackal58 wrote: I can buy into the first part. Somebody stating they don't have a scummy feeling about anybody getting votes so far is fair enough. But following it up with let's just pick a random person is pure stupid and borderline scummy. Are mafia going to be pushing their objectives so blatantly though? The rest of xt's posts are fairly solid, I feel. It was either Ver or Qatol that was coaching and I asked them for advice, and they said that the most obvious mafia suspects you have are never going to be mafia. I think something like this fits that category. We also know from past games that town xt has some strange ideas. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 17 2011 23:30 Jackal58 wrote: What would you like me to say? The discussion regarding the ring and its mechanics is fucking useless speculation? There I said it. The only thing I saw comment worthy was Bug's request for the ring. He has since claimed to be Sauron and Gollem. But you guys want to keep speculating on the mechanics of the ring. You're missing the point of Day 1 Jackal. You can't find scum with no posts in the thread, which is why we need something to talk about. Of course it's useless speculation. But guess what, if someone has to take paragraphs to discuss the ring and alignments, and then clams up when we actually have votes to discuss, that makes the discussion worthwhile. There's no need for the aggression. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
on the matter of xt though, he makes a rather interesting contradiction On September 17 2011 19:22 xtfftc wrote: Nope. Discussions about game mechanics often reveal bits of information about people's alignment. More importantly, the reactions to these discussions provide information as well. Compared to trolling, discussing lore, speculating about game mechanics and jumping on random people, this is by far the best way to start a proper discussion. Something you seem interested in not doing... Would you say that the current theorycrafting exercise is getting us any closer to catching mafia? + Show Spoiler [Pointless theorycrafting] + As a side note, it would be rather fun if WBG is indeed Gollum and part of his role is asking for the ring in every single post he makes. And I know I just said that theorycrafting gets us nowhere near to catching mafia but I can't help myself. Assuming that Gollum is capable of stealing the ring, we can not afford to kill him, no matter how annoying he becomes. If mafia get the ring, Gollum would likely be our best chance of retrieving it back from them - and we all agree that Sauron or Saruman being in possession of the ring is a really bad situation for town. Actually, WBG already has two posts that don't mention the ring but perhaps it doesn't have to be every post but he has a quota instead? Note in the bold he is for disscusion day 1, and against jumping on random people. So what brings someone of that mindset to this? On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote: Also, none of the currently discussed lynch targets are viable. They are all easy ones. I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players. first he doesnt want to do anything random and continue to discuss, but now he is for a random lynch of the remaining players? interesting... | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Trance's idea seemed more like ignorance than scum play. A problem with his idea, though, was that the player who receives the ring doesn't know who he got it from, so there really isn't any way to have a confirmed chain of people like he wanted. I don't have any idea how to feel about WBG, but I'll stand by what I said before. I don't think his scum play would be this bad. | ||
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chaos13
Canada885 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 18 2011 00:39 chaos13 wrote: Radfield what do you think about the possibility of xt being scum? He has as good a chance as pretty much any other player flipping scum at this point. However, If you're referring to this post: On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote: I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players. I would call it a null-tell. Scum players don't typically make such blatantly poor statements, but obviously making a bunk statement doesn't buy you townie cred by any means. What I agree that none of the current players up for discussion (Greymist, WBG) are good lynches at this point. We'll have much more to go on by tomorrow. There are already several players who have piqued my interest, but time will tell. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 18 2011 01:05 chaos13 wrote: Another thing people seem to view as a big scumtell is contradictions. Unless that contradiction is something along the lines of "I think Player A is definitely scum" and then six posts later "Player A is not someone I want to lynch today", or someone contradicts themselves while explaining a claim, then it is usually not a mafia tell. I've seen contradictions used as points of analysis in a lot of games recently, and they've been wrong very often. Agreed. I also think that xt's post is being misinterpreted. I don't think he was actually pushing for a random lynch, rather that he felt our lynch should be outside the current players being discussed. I don't think anyone ever actually advocates for a RNG lynch. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
1) We have no idea who has the ring. 2) We have no idea how the ring gets transferred 3) We should NOT be speculating and making plans for the RING. I assume whomever has it will do what they think is the best when the time comes. All this ring talk as well as "plot-talk" (talking about the books themselves) is EXTREMELY detrimental to town. You're basically letting mafia get away with an easy conversation topic since pretty much anyone can talk about speculation without really coming off as suspicious. Wherebugsgo is probably either town being stupid or most likely 3rd party. There is almost no chance/reason mafia would do what he has doing since: 1) It makes himself look suspicious; mafia are only suspicious by what they hide, not outright 2) It does almost nothing to gives mafia an advantage (It's only drawing attention to himself and I doubt anyone would actually give him the ring at this point.) TranceStorm came out with a shitty plan that does more bad than good for town but that just makes him one of Radfield's "easy targets". I'd keep an eye on him but at this point he's not a very good lynch target. My vote on greymist (not even a vote since I didn't ACTUALLY VOTE in the voting thread) was merely a way to start some discussion. I didn't actually think for a minute that he was actually being serious. From that action, I'm leaning on Dr.H and Drazerk being town since they immediately pick up on what I'm trying to do and votes to put pressure on greymist. A person who IS a good lynch target? prplhz. Look over his (5) posts. They are either heavily involved with the stories or not helpful at all. On September 17 2011 09:44 prplhz wrote: What is the point of arguing about the passing of a ring that is probably not going to get passed, hell, we don't even know if whoever has it even has the ability to pass it? Though it was offered willingly a couple of times (to Galadriel and to Aragorn and at Rivendell Frodo also wanted to get rid of it), I think that it is silly to spam and think about it when it's purely speculation and when there's more important stuff to do. Right now GreYMisT wrote a(nother) stupid post, saying "I'm sorry, I'm stupid and I'm on a phone too, that's worth a post in and of itself, but I see why you think I'm scum and stupid but I'm really just stupid". This just doesn't sit well with me even though the original reasoning for even voting him was inarguably pretty weak. He then continues to talk about ring speculation. He also talks about how everyone needs to be active and how there is more important things to talk about and yet doesn't talk about anything else except that we should vote amongst two people and they should have similar votes. He's in Denmark so he should have posted more already, especially about the WBG and trancestorm posts. ##vote: prplhz | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 17 2011 15:36 Cyber_Cheese wrote: So basically you want people to say "I had the ring guys, I managed to pass it off, but I'm not saying to who" and maybe list it's effects? We can't be sure evil players can't pass the ring, and if the person who claimed to have got rid of it was telling the truth or not. There is way too much uncertainty, and I believe only a non-town party would be trying to push a bad plan to get the ring Unless you can come up with a really good reason you care so much about the ring bearer ##Vote TranceStorm This is a bunk vote. Bad plans are pushed all the time, mostly by townies as scum generally have very little motivation to push a bad plan. Bad plans need refinement, not votes. Fact is, if the player who has the ring DOES pass it, he should likely claim. Either he is counterclaimed later when frodo/bilbo actually passes it, or he is confirmed. It doesn't help us immensely, but it certainly doesn't hinder. | ||
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On September 18 2011 01:13 chaoser wrote: A person who IS a good lynch target? prplhz. Look over his (5) posts. They are either heavily involved with the stories or not helpful at all. He then continues to talk about ring speculation. He also talks about how everyone needs to be active and how there is more important things to talk about and yet doesn't talk about anything else except that we should vote amongst two people and they should have similar votes. He's in Denmark so he should have posted more already, especially about the WBG and trancestorm posts. ##vote: prplhz Agree 100%, though I would've preferred to wait until tomorrow to call him out. In particular, playing the angry townie regarding 'spam and speculation' and then continuing to contribute to it is highly suspicious. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
If not, the trolling has to stop now wherebugsgo. Players who are stating that they are busy, but will contribute later need to be constantly hounded to post. The moment we forget about them, they get away with posting the minimum to stay alive and give up basically no information. sandroba, I'm hoping to hear from you on Sunday as early as possible. Wiggles, what are your thoughts so far? raynpelikoneet responded reasonably and didn't get overly defensive so I'll remove my vote from him. ##unvote Navillus, I feel as if you're pulling the noob card. This is your 6th game, you should know better than to claim day one. I looked through your older games and couldn't find any other instance where you opened the game with a claim, combined with the fact you decided to sound really angry with the random censored swears, makes me suspicious. Besides the random vote on Drazerk, who do you suspect right now? chaoser, what makes prplhz stand out compared to all the other ring/general advice posts in the thread? | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 18 2011 01:13 chaoser wrote: My vote on greymist (not even a vote since I didn't ACTUALLY VOTE in the voting thread) was merely a way to start some discussion. I didn't actually think for a minute that he was actually being serious. From that action, I'm leaning on Dr.H and Drazerk being town since they immediately pick up on what I'm trying to do and votes to put pressure on greymist. I feel like leaning town on them might be a somewhat large leap for joining you on the vote on greymist. You didn't put your vote in the thread, so Drazerk was the first one to actually vote for him. He seemed to jump on it really quickly. While you might just see it as them joining your pressure on grey, I'm a bit more skeptical about it, and I don't want to just feel like it was townies playing well and recognizing a pressure play. Scum jumping a bandwagon looks pretty similar. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
Navillus, I feel as if you're pulling the noob card. This is your 6th game, you should know better than to claim day one. I looked through your older games and couldn't find any other instance where you opened the game with a claim, combined with the fact you decided to sound really angry with the random censored swears, makes me suspicious. Besides the random vote on Drazerk, who do you suspect right now? 6th game != learned anything in 1-5, esp. cause I died really quickly in some and wasn't paying that much attention to most of them so I couldn't really learn. Also you're either lying about looking through my games, or just didn't really try, cause last game I played I opened with basically the same line, a complaint about getting VT yet again (I think it was cosmic horror, if not it was 2 games ago in werewolves but I'm pretty sure it was cosmic horror.) As to my thoughts, I'm even more skeptical on Drazerk, I had figured that that first vote was pressure, and from what I know Dr. H is a very good vet player so I figured that's exactly what he was doing when he added his vote on, but Drazerk isn't as good as Dr. H, I could see him being scum and thinking that they could actually get a wagon going, then what made me more suspicious is that he completely ducks my vote and instead attacks me. | ||
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