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Curu
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 17 2011 15:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote: TranceStorm has a bad plan. Big deal, hopefully he can be made to see the problem with it. The main problem is that this game is not about confirming townies using mechanics we don't understand the goal is to find and catch scum. Wherebugsgo I don't know your metagame but here's what I see. 1. begging for the ring in every post 2. vague allusions to why you want it 3. voting for TranceStorm and FOSing him with no reasons. You're playing absolutely detrimental to town. This is not pro-town play, it is not how we catch scum. It's how shit gets stirred and people always let bad scum like this slide (coag in countless games) because they figure "oh no way scum would act so brashly or bad". ##Vote wherebugsgo At the very least, if you aren't scum, you are a stellar example of how town players should never act Bitch please. I can make lists too. 1. Give me the ring. 2. I haven't alluded to why I want it. 3. TranceStorm is scum, it's obvious enough. I don't need to provide reasons when he sets himself up as he's already done. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 17 2011 15:25 Ciryandor wrote: Are you saying that his activity is a good reason why he should be a policy lynch, for being detrimental to village planning and strategy? I sort of agree, but TranceStorm's strategy only means that it exposes townies, because it's easy enough for a scum who cannot wield the ring's power to its full extent to be deprived of it by or pass it to a bigger scum who can actually make use of it if the initial ring-bearer throws it to them, which would blow the whole tactic out of the water. Also, it could have negative repercussions by allowing a nominally cleared scum player to actually take out townies from within. This guy is scum/dumb too | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
Even if you are about to be lynched and you have the ring, I can't really come up with a compelling reason to claim that you have it, except perhaps if the ring has powers that can be used in a pro town fashion and you can demonstrate that you've done so, thus possibly saving us from mislynch. If you get lynched, it will just narrow down the list of potential owners,. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On September 17 2011 16:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You aren't impressing me Not like you're doing anything either doc + Show Spoiler + give me the ring | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Give me the ring and I'll find scum for you. | ||
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syllogism
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On September 17 2011 16:41 wherebugsgo wrote: Yes. I am. Give me the ring and I'll find scum for you. Find scum and we will give you the ring. Not the other way around. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On September 17 2011 15:52 TranceStorm wrote: I don't understand why someone saying 'I had the ring guys, I managed to pass it off, but I'm not saying to who' would be that harmful. If they do so, they can also reveal what the ring does which reduces much of the speculation about what the ring actually does and how it affects the game. I agree that there is uncertainty. That's why I dropped the whole 'chain' part. I see that it is far too risky and I assumed to much. But having one player (who can choose to do this or not and specifically when they want to do so as well) claim after passing the ring on and telling the town about the ring's effects would help. Of course, this would cause alot of scrutiny, but that would be no different from when any other person claims a role. And if you believe that I'm scum, that's fine, but you would be making an incorrect choice. In the end, it was simply an idea I had to bounce around ideas. Did our discussion harm the town? No it didn't. That would be harmful IMO becouse of following reasons: 1. IMO it's obvious that mafia want's to control the Ring. 2. If I was mafia, i would want to know every info i can get of the Ring, especially in the first day when there is nothing much to talk about besides the hidden powers in game. 3. Do you think it would be more benefit to town (than to maf) to claim you passed the ring, and revealed what you could do with it. Consider tha following scenario: I had the ring and just passed it. I claim that, and i also claim the power of the Ring. If mafia believes my claim, they have one less suspect of ring carriers. They also could analyze my posts and have at least some idea who i did pass the ring (and for sure who i did absolutely not pass it). When i claim what the ring does, i could think that it would be at least softclaiming my role (considering the ring plays different with different roles). So TranceStorm, do you think this scenario benefits town over mafia? Or does anyone think i got something wrong here? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On September 17 2011 18:23 Drazerk wrote: Find scum and we will give you the ring. Not the other way around. rofl, exactly my thoughts. What are you going to accomplish with that attitude WBG? | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On September 17 2011 13:37 chaos13 wrote: Nope. The entire content of his post was all based on game mechanics. Game mechanics reveal zero about a player's alignment, so if you give people town cred for posting that, the whole mafia team is going to do it and pretty soon you're completely fucked. Nope. Discussions about game mechanics often reveal bits of information about people's alignment. More importantly, the reactions to these discussions provide information as well. Compared to trolling, discussing lore, speculating about game mechanics and jumping on random people, this is by far the best way to start a proper discussion. Something you seem interested in not doing... Would you say that the current theorycrafting exercise is getting us any closer to catching mafia? + Show Spoiler [Pointless theorycrafting] + As a side note, it would be rather fun if WBG is indeed Gollum and part of his role is asking for the ring in every single post he makes. And I know I just said that theorycrafting gets us nowhere near to catching mafia but I can't help myself. Assuming that Gollum is capable of stealing the ring, we can not afford to kill him, no matter how annoying he becomes. If mafia get the ring, Gollum would likely be our best chance of retrieving it back from them - and we all agree that Sauron or Saruman being in possession of the ring is a really bad situation for town. Actually, WBG already has two posts that don't mention the ring but perhaps it doesn't have to be every post but he has a quota instead? | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On September 17 2011 19:22 xtfftc wrote: Nope. Discussions about game mechanics often reveal bits of information about people's alignment. More importantly, the reactions to these discussions provide information as well. Compared to trolling, discussing lore, speculating about game mechanics and jumping on random people, this is by far the best way to start a proper discussion. Something you seem interested in not doing... Would you say that the current theorycrafting exercise is getting us any closer to catching mafia? + Show Spoiler [Pointless theorycrafting] + As a side note, it would be rather fun if WBG is indeed Gollum and part of his role is asking for the ring in every single post he makes. And I know I just said that theorycrafting gets us nowhere near to catching mafia but I can't help myself. Assuming that Gollum is capable of stealing the ring, we can not afford to kill him, no matter how annoying he becomes. If mafia get the ring, Gollum would likely be our best chance of retrieving it back from them - and we all agree that Sauron or Saruman being in possession of the ring is a really bad situation for town. Actually, WBG already has two posts that don't mention the ring but perhaps it doesn't have to be every post but he has a quota instead? I think he is lying and that may of been a slip up ( Like my caller posting restriction in WAW2 ) | ||
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Vain
Netherlands1115 Posts
On September 17 2011 19:23 xtfftc wrote: Also, none of the currently discussed lynch targets are viable. They are all easy ones. I'd rather go for a random lynch out of the remaining players. Well who do you suggest then? | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On September 17 2011 19:22 xtfftc wrote: Nope. Discussions about game mechanics often reveal bits of information about people's alignment. More importantly, the reactions to these discussions provide information as well. Compared to trolling, discussing lore, speculating about game mechanics and jumping on random people, this is by far the best way to start a proper discussion. Something you seem interested in not doing... Would you say that the current theorycrafting exercise is getting us any closer to catching mafia? + Show Spoiler [Pointless theorycrafting] + As a side note, it would be rather fun if WBG is indeed Gollum and part of his role is asking for the ring in every single post he makes. And I know I just said that theorycrafting gets us nowhere near to catching mafia but I can't help myself. Assuming that Gollum is capable of stealing the ring, we can not afford to kill him, no matter how annoying he becomes. If mafia get the ring, Gollum would likely be our best chance of retrieving it back from them - and we all agree that Sauron or Saruman being in possession of the ring is a really bad situation for town. Actually, WBG already has two posts that don't mention the ring but perhaps it doesn't have to be every post but he has a quota instead? i was thinking the same about wbg and I also filtered him. wbgs post seem to be artificial to me. | ||
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