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On August 16 2011 02:34 Klaca wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 21:29 Kiante wrote:On August 15 2011 18:18 bITt.mAN wrote:
FUU lost long post because I Alt-Tabbed then got interrupted by my supervisor ):
iCCup site is normally hosted on their more stable servers, not in EN but .RU or .KR These domains are automatically blacklisted by foreign antiviruses, e.g. I am warned to not visit DES or Fomos because they are dangerous websites set on destroying my computer (racist anymuch?).
Also, there is no problem with the launcher, the only issue I've had, and it pisses me off, is my antivirus tries to delete the wmode.bwl (permits windowed mode) calling it an evil Trojan, simply because of the way it modifies the way BroodWar.mpq runs.
Long story short, anal antivirus programs do not coincide well with a gaming lifestyle, they're usually wrong and make a big scary thing about nothing, and iCCup servers are much cleaner, especially by the virtue of being in a language you understand ("lol-wut does this button do? I can't read the typeset, let alone the language buuut *click* o crap!"). Do you take pot shots at korean BW servers in every single fucking post you make? Lol, just mad that Iccup has like 10 users and ISL ditched you for fish at the first moment, tricked you into letting their ladder on and fucked off as soon as it was done? hahahahaha Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 22:36 LML wrote:On August 15 2011 21:31 Fortis wrote:On August 15 2011 21:00 cujo2k wrote:On August 15 2011 15:46 Eywa- wrote:
Just play on Fish Server, its better. It would be better if everyone from our community played on it, but there are not enough foreigners on there, so it gets boring/lonely after a while. People go on Fish to play Koreans and get better, not play chatcraft. The people who are into chatcraft, however, are in op teamliquid on Fish. Yea, I chatcraft alot in there:d met quite some nice ppl in op teamliquid and played with them several times, too. Show nested quote +On August 15 2011 21:31 Fortis wrote:On August 15 2011 21:00 cujo2k wrote:On August 15 2011 15:46 Eywa- wrote:
Just play on Fish Server, its better. It would be better if everyone from our community played on it, but there are not enough foreigners on there, so it gets boring/lonely after a while. People go on Fish to play Koreans and get better, not play chatcraft. The people who are into chatcraft, however, are in op teamliquid on Fish. You guys dont get it. Its not the competitive scene, its the UMS scene that is lacking in Fish. In Iccup you know there are the stable HLS game guys, the cat&mouse guys, the nexus map guys, the 2v6Z map guys, poker scene. Its great because it has character and we can understand it. But Fish UMS scene? Its all korean symbols, filled with koreans. Western person cant understand anything.. 
You don't get it. No one's telling you not to use ICCup. bltt.man was trying to tell people not to use Fish/Brainclan/Korean launchers.
If you like UMS you might be better off on Battle.net though.
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I've never tried to actively tell people not to use Korean servers, but more to weigh the benefits with the costs:
Reasons specifically against playing on iCCup are usually personal (petty personal complaints against certain figures, which have no effect on gaming experience), or through disuse (go figure, if it's "not cool" there won't be as many people using).
What I've tired to do is voice the opinion that these deadly difficulties are bearable compared to the problems with playing on different servers.
You like English do you (- non-Korean-speaking majority of foreign community), at least you can speak and type English, well that's swell, guess how useful that is on other servers where all you can read are ??????? and you can't type or read most game-names. Support, reporting (abuse), updates, changelogs, well good luck reading those.
I'm not saying you musn't do it, I'm just being contrarian (read: saying what's unpopular) and challenging the example set by select ~cool kids~ of the foreign community, because they won't be the ones raising the issues.
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On August 16 2011 06:32 bITt.mAN wrote:
I've never tried to actively tell people not to use Korean servers, but more to weigh the benefits with the costs:
Reasons specifically against playing on iCCup are usually personal (petty personal complaints against certain figures, which have no effect on gaming experience), or through disuse (go figure, if it's "not cool" there won't be as many people using).
What I've tired to do is voice the opinion that these deadly difficulties are bearable compared to the problems with playing on different servers.
You like English do you (- non-Korean-speaking majority of foreign community), at least you can speak and type English, well that's swell, guess how useful that is on other servers where all you can read are ??????? and you can't type or read most game-names. Support, reporting (abuse), updates, changelogs, well good luck reading those.
I'm not saying you musn't do it, I'm just being contrarian (read: saying what's unpopular) and challenging the example set by select ~cool kids~ of the foreign community, because they won't be the ones raising the issues.
In the end what matters most is getting quality games. It doesn't matter if ICCup or Fish is 'cool,' what matters is how many players of your skill level are online at any given time. If you're above D+, ICCup is severely lacking in competition, that's really all anyone is saying and it's a fact. Honestly there are no difficulties in playing on ICCup, that's pretty much the best part about it. The 'support' system it currently has now is pretty weak in my experience (many of my reported games/complaints in the past season or two went unheeded, for example).
The problems you listed with Korean servers are totally irrelevant to your ability in finding games, which is like I said the most important thing. I don't care if my opponents don't speak English, I only care if they are good enough to give me a good game and help me improve/have fun. Anyone who goes on ladder servers to chatcraft or UMS or do anything BUT play 1v1/2v2 seriously to improve will obviously not relate, but by the same token they probably don't belong there. Noobstomping on ICCup gets old, and a lot of the people who you play who are actually good are Koreans doing the same thing because everyone looks down on ICCup as the foreigner server where kids BM and suck (this is unavoidably true for most). Who cares about updates or changelogs really? Who cares about hackers when you have a much more comprehensive AH in wLauncher and you can get games much much more frequently than you can on ICCup?
These problems are also easily circumvented with a few easy steps, all of which are explained in one of the SS guides which at this point I strongly doubt you have ever touched. Enabling a language pack and downloading a new launcher is not that big of a deal. Having to go through 30 melee games before laddering is only a good thing, because that means usually only dedicated, non-abusive, and non-smurfs invest the time into serious gaming. This selectivity is a beautiful thing. Learning what P/Z/T are in Korean is really easy, you don't need to know Korean, in fact all the translations you DO need are also listed in the SS guide.
Don't try to tell me that you didn't try to shit on Korean servers in your post earlier in this thread, you gave a completely biased viewpoint, probably intentionally. Given your status, this isn't surprising, and it certainly isn't mature. I was in training to be an ICCup admin for a few months as well, less than a year ago, didn't finish but not due to any failure of mine - just saying this as a statement saying I also have/had a vested interest in ICCup. But that doesn't make me blind to the reality of what is important to competitive gaming, what isn't, and where ICCup falls in between those two.
EDIT: Also, CaucasianAsian already listed his experience as being favorable despite his lack of Korean, and how his English skills actually got him into a clan. Go figure! ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
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Australia7069 Posts
deadly difficulty is not being able to read korean. really? Turning on the korean language pack is a piece of cake, and recognise the symbols of the maps and stuff is really easy. Copying and pasting words out of word is also easy, hell you dont even need to type it to host games (just use your rank #, a game name, and a gogo and you're set). I really dont see how that qualifies as a DEADLY DIFFICULTY.
Sorry that I'm willing to bear the burdens of these deadly difficulties to play on a server that actually has people on it, unlike iccup. I guess i'm reckless like that. Continue being contrarian on your little iccup paradise while you wait 15 minutes to get a game above C- rank
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On August 16 2011 03:20 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 02:55 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 16 2011 02:10 Kiante wrote:lol what? I'm not associated with ISL2 at all. Just an outside observer. I think its hillarious that iccup is so bad they bailed so early is all  sorry that was unfortunately formulated. I'm disgusted by your joy of other ppl abusing icc. On August 16 2011 02:24 supernovamaniac wrote:On August 16 2011 00:09 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 15 2011 21:29 Kiante wrote:On August 15 2011 18:18 bITt.mAN wrote:
FUU lost long post because I Alt-Tabbed then got interrupted by my supervisor ):
iCCup site is normally hosted on their more stable servers, not in EN but .RU or .KR These domains are automatically blacklisted by foreign antiviruses, e.g. I am warned to not visit DES or Fomos because they are dangerous websites set on destroying my computer (racist anymuch?).
Also, there is no problem with the launcher, the only issue I've had, and it pisses me off, is my antivirus tries to delete the wmode.bwl (permits windowed mode) calling it an evil Trojan, simply because of the way it modifies the way BroodWar.mpq runs.
Long story short, anal antivirus programs do not coincide well with a gaming lifestyle, they're usually wrong and make a big scary thing about nothing, and iCCup servers are much cleaner, especially by the virtue of being in a language you understand ("lol-wut does this button do? I can't read the typeset, let alone the language buuut *click* o crap!"). Do you take pot shots at korean BW servers in every single fucking post you make? Lol, just mad that Iccup has like 10 users and ISL ditched you for fish at the first moment, tricked you into letting their ladder on and fucked off as soon as it was done? hahahahaha Are you proud of abusing the ICC ladder in a clan system? It's like: "Haa-haa you guys suck, but we are to shitty to do it without you so we pull a shady move to abuse your system but still shit on your face". Yeah, now thats classy, bravo. I personally know that it's easy to hack on ICC, but it's way easier to do it on fish server Nuff said. On August 16 2011 02:10 Kiante wrote:Nice to know you're a hacking noob tho. two brainless people not beeing able to see simple things? Is an anti virus company bad because they know how to make viruses? more brainfarts please. It's IMPOSSIBLE to make broodwar maphack safe, it has been proven f.e. by Ashur, similar concepts were also released on bwhacks.com when it still was online. I personally have done very simple stuff for non malicious use, but sure, I need hacks to play a game I enjoyed for 13 years to still boost my ego on simple wins I get in a lame way. grow up plz. Simple statement of 'I used it for non malicious use' should have been sufficient. Instead, you go on boasting about how people are kids for not understanding that BW is never hack-safe. Hmm.
Nono, I was not calling you a kid for not understanding that BW is never hack-safe. I did it because you accused me implicitly of using hacks on iccup because I know how to do it.
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I dont remember too well but I THINK I had the same thing pop up. I just said false alarm to my FireFox.
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United States9943 Posts
Hm... it seems to work fine with me. i only have this "unidentified publisher" thingy on my vista every time i try opening up iccup launcher. it works fine though and i override the command.
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On August 16 2011 08:19 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 03:20 supernovamaniac wrote:On August 16 2011 02:55 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 16 2011 02:10 Kiante wrote:lol what? I'm not associated with ISL2 at all. Just an outside observer. I think its hillarious that iccup is so bad they bailed so early is all sorry that was unfortunately formulated. I'm disgusted by your joy of other ppl abusing icc. On August 16 2011 02:24 supernovamaniac wrote:On August 16 2011 00:09 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 15 2011 21:29 Kiante wrote:On August 15 2011 18:18 bITt.mAN wrote:
FUU lost long post because I Alt-Tabbed then got interrupted by my supervisor ):
iCCup site is normally hosted on their more stable servers, not in EN but .RU or .KR These domains are automatically blacklisted by foreign antiviruses, e.g. I am warned to not visit DES or Fomos because they are dangerous websites set on destroying my computer (racist anymuch?).
Also, there is no problem with the launcher, the only issue I've had, and it pisses me off, is my antivirus tries to delete the wmode.bwl (permits windowed mode) calling it an evil Trojan, simply because of the way it modifies the way BroodWar.mpq runs.
Long story short, anal antivirus programs do not coincide well with a gaming lifestyle, they're usually wrong and make a big scary thing about nothing, and iCCup servers are much cleaner, especially by the virtue of being in a language you understand ("lol-wut does this button do? I can't read the typeset, let alone the language buuut *click* o crap!"). Do you take pot shots at korean BW servers in every single fucking post you make? Lol, just mad that Iccup has like 10 users and ISL ditched you for fish at the first moment, tricked you into letting their ladder on and fucked off as soon as it was done? hahahahaha Are you proud of abusing the ICC ladder in a clan system? It's like: "Haa-haa you guys suck, but we are to shitty to do it without you so we pull a shady move to abuse your system but still shit on your face". Yeah, now thats classy, bravo. I personally know that it's easy to hack on ICC, but it's way easier to do it on fish server Nuff said. On August 16 2011 02:10 Kiante wrote:Nice to know you're a hacking noob tho. two brainless people not beeing able to see simple things? Is an anti virus company bad because they know how to make viruses? more brainfarts please. It's IMPOSSIBLE to make broodwar maphack safe, it has been proven f.e. by Ashur, similar concepts were also released on bwhacks.com when it still was online. I personally have done very simple stuff for non malicious use, but sure, I need hacks to play a game I enjoyed for 13 years to still boost my ego on simple wins I get in a lame way. grow up plz. Simple statement of 'I used it for non malicious use' should have been sufficient. Instead, you go on boasting about how people are kids for not understanding that BW is never hack-safe. Hmm. Nono, I was not calling you a kid for not understanding that BW is never hack-safe. I did it because you accused me implicitly of using hacks on iccup because I know how to do it.
Given how you were responding to Kiante in such manner, did you really expect a nice response from 'I know how to hack'?
On August 16 2011 08:28 FlaShFTW wrote:
Hm... it seems to work fine with me. i only have this "unidentified publisher" thingy on my vista every time i try opening up iccup launcher. it works fine though and i override the command.
That's just the UAC, nothing to worry about. The virus 'detected' inside the launcher is actually part of Chaoslauncher if I remember correctly, but there's nothing to worry about that either. iCCup website is just terrible; goes on a 502 error rampage every once in a while.
Basically, if you play on iCCup, its safe as long as you typed in the word www.iccup.com. It does not save you from the hostility of the mods however.
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On August 16 2011 10:16 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 08:19 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 16 2011 03:20 supernovamaniac wrote:On August 16 2011 02:55 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 16 2011 02:10 Kiante wrote:lol what? I'm not associated with ISL2 at all. Just an outside observer. I think its hillarious that iccup is so bad they bailed so early is all sorry that was unfortunately formulated. I'm disgusted by your joy of other ppl abusing icc. On August 16 2011 02:24 supernovamaniac wrote:On August 16 2011 00:09 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 15 2011 21:29 Kiante wrote:On August 15 2011 18:18 bITt.mAN wrote:
FUU lost long post because I Alt-Tabbed then got interrupted by my supervisor ):
iCCup site is normally hosted on their more stable servers, not in EN but .RU or .KR These domains are automatically blacklisted by foreign antiviruses, e.g. I am warned to not visit DES or Fomos because they are dangerous websites set on destroying my computer (racist anymuch?).
Also, there is no problem with the launcher, the only issue I've had, and it pisses me off, is my antivirus tries to delete the wmode.bwl (permits windowed mode) calling it an evil Trojan, simply because of the way it modifies the way BroodWar.mpq runs.
Long story short, anal antivirus programs do not coincide well with a gaming lifestyle, they're usually wrong and make a big scary thing about nothing, and iCCup servers are much cleaner, especially by the virtue of being in a language you understand ("lol-wut does this button do? I can't read the typeset, let alone the language buuut *click* o crap!"). Do you take pot shots at korean BW servers in every single fucking post you make? Lol, just mad that Iccup has like 10 users and ISL ditched you for fish at the first moment, tricked you into letting their ladder on and fucked off as soon as it was done? hahahahaha Are you proud of abusing the ICC ladder in a clan system? It's like: "Haa-haa you guys suck, but we are to shitty to do it without you so we pull a shady move to abuse your system but still shit on your face". Yeah, now thats classy, bravo. I personally know that it's easy to hack on ICC, but it's way easier to do it on fish server Nuff said. On August 16 2011 02:10 Kiante wrote:Nice to know you're a hacking noob tho. two brainless people not beeing able to see simple things? Is an anti virus company bad because they know how to make viruses? more brainfarts please. It's IMPOSSIBLE to make broodwar maphack safe, it has been proven f.e. by Ashur, similar concepts were also released on bwhacks.com when it still was online. I personally have done very simple stuff for non malicious use, but sure, I need hacks to play a game I enjoyed for 13 years to still boost my ego on simple wins I get in a lame way. grow up plz. Simple statement of 'I used it for non malicious use' should have been sufficient. Instead, you go on boasting about how people are kids for not understanding that BW is never hack-safe. Hmm. Nono, I was not calling you a kid for not understanding that BW is never hack-safe. I did it because you accused me implicitly of using hacks on iccup because I know how to do it. Given how you were responding to Kiante in such manner, did you really expect a nice response from 'I know how to hack'?
He called me a "hacking noob" and you question MY manner? I win vs him and I am not using any hacks to get an advantage ingame.
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On August 16 2011 10:53 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 10:16 supernovamaniac wrote:On August 16 2011 08:19 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 16 2011 03:20 supernovamaniac wrote:On August 16 2011 02:55 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 16 2011 02:10 Kiante wrote:lol what? I'm not associated with ISL2 at all. Just an outside observer. I think its hillarious that iccup is so bad they bailed so early is all sorry that was unfortunately formulated. I'm disgusted by your joy of other ppl abusing icc. On August 16 2011 02:24 supernovamaniac wrote:On August 16 2011 00:09 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 15 2011 21:29 Kiante wrote:On August 15 2011 18:18 bITt.mAN wrote:
FUU lost long post because I Alt-Tabbed then got interrupted by my supervisor ):
iCCup site is normally hosted on their more stable servers, not in EN but .RU or .KR These domains are automatically blacklisted by foreign antiviruses, e.g. I am warned to not visit DES or Fomos because they are dangerous websites set on destroying my computer (racist anymuch?).
Also, there is no problem with the launcher, the only issue I've had, and it pisses me off, is my antivirus tries to delete the wmode.bwl (permits windowed mode) calling it an evil Trojan, simply because of the way it modifies the way BroodWar.mpq runs.
Long story short, anal antivirus programs do not coincide well with a gaming lifestyle, they're usually wrong and make a big scary thing about nothing, and iCCup servers are much cleaner, especially by the virtue of being in a language you understand ("lol-wut does this button do? I can't read the typeset, let alone the language buuut *click* o crap!"). Do you take pot shots at korean BW servers in every single fucking post you make? Lol, just mad that Iccup has like 10 users and ISL ditched you for fish at the first moment, tricked you into letting their ladder on and fucked off as soon as it was done? hahahahaha Are you proud of abusing the ICC ladder in a clan system? It's like: "Haa-haa you guys suck, but we are to shitty to do it without you so we pull a shady move to abuse your system but still shit on your face". Yeah, now thats classy, bravo. I personally know that it's easy to hack on ICC, but it's way easier to do it on fish server Nuff said. On August 16 2011 02:10 Kiante wrote:Nice to know you're a hacking noob tho. two brainless people not beeing able to see simple things? Is an anti virus company bad because they know how to make viruses? more brainfarts please. It's IMPOSSIBLE to make broodwar maphack safe, it has been proven f.e. by Ashur, similar concepts were also released on bwhacks.com when it still was online. I personally have done very simple stuff for non malicious use, but sure, I need hacks to play a game I enjoyed for 13 years to still boost my ego on simple wins I get in a lame way. grow up plz. Simple statement of 'I used it for non malicious use' should have been sufficient. Instead, you go on boasting about how people are kids for not understanding that BW is never hack-safe. Hmm. Nono, I was not calling you a kid for not understanding that BW is never hack-safe. I did it because you accused me implicitly of using hacks on iccup because I know how to do it. Given how you were responding to Kiante in such manner, did you really expect a nice response from 'I know how to hack'? He called me a "hacking noob" and you question MY manner? I win vs him and I am not using any hacks to get an advantage ingame.
You really need to see which post I'm referring to. #lrn2read
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On August 16 2011 11:31 supernovamaniac wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 10:53 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 16 2011 10:16 supernovamaniac wrote:On August 16 2011 08:19 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 16 2011 03:20 supernovamaniac wrote:On August 16 2011 02:55 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 16 2011 02:10 Kiante wrote:lol what? I'm not associated with ISL2 at all. Just an outside observer. I think its hillarious that iccup is so bad they bailed so early is all sorry that was unfortunately formulated. I'm disgusted by your joy of other ppl abusing icc. On August 16 2011 02:24 supernovamaniac wrote:On August 16 2011 00:09 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 15 2011 21:29 Kiante wrote:On August 15 2011 18:18 bITt.mAN wrote:
FUU lost long post because I Alt-Tabbed then got interrupted by my supervisor ):
iCCup site is normally hosted on their more stable servers, not in EN but .RU or .KR These domains are automatically blacklisted by foreign antiviruses, e.g. I am warned to not visit DES or Fomos because they are dangerous websites set on destroying my computer (racist anymuch?).
Also, there is no problem with the launcher, the only issue I've had, and it pisses me off, is my antivirus tries to delete the wmode.bwl (permits windowed mode) calling it an evil Trojan, simply because of the way it modifies the way BroodWar.mpq runs.
Long story short, anal antivirus programs do not coincide well with a gaming lifestyle, they're usually wrong and make a big scary thing about nothing, and iCCup servers are much cleaner, especially by the virtue of being in a language you understand ("lol-wut does this button do? I can't read the typeset, let alone the language buuut *click* o crap!"). Do you take pot shots at korean BW servers in every single fucking post you make? Lol, just mad that Iccup has like 10 users and ISL ditched you for fish at the first moment, tricked you into letting their ladder on and fucked off as soon as it was done? hahahahaha Are you proud of abusing the ICC ladder in a clan system? It's like: "Haa-haa you guys suck, but we are to shitty to do it without you so we pull a shady move to abuse your system but still shit on your face". Yeah, now thats classy, bravo. I personally know that it's easy to hack on ICC, but it's way easier to do it on fish server Nuff said. On August 16 2011 02:10 Kiante wrote:Nice to know you're a hacking noob tho. two brainless people not beeing able to see simple things? Is an anti virus company bad because they know how to make viruses? more brainfarts please. It's IMPOSSIBLE to make broodwar maphack safe, it has been proven f.e. by Ashur, similar concepts were also released on bwhacks.com when it still was online. I personally have done very simple stuff for non malicious use, but sure, I need hacks to play a game I enjoyed for 13 years to still boost my ego on simple wins I get in a lame way. grow up plz. Simple statement of 'I used it for non malicious use' should have been sufficient. Instead, you go on boasting about how people are kids for not understanding that BW is never hack-safe. Hmm. Nono, I was not calling you a kid for not understanding that BW is never hack-safe. I did it because you accused me implicitly of using hacks on iccup because I know how to do it. Given how you were responding to Kiante in such manner, did you really expect a nice response from 'I know how to hack'? He called me a "hacking noob" and you question MY manner? I win vs him and I am not using any hacks to get an advantage ingame. You really need to see which post I'm referring to. #lrn2read
If you refer to my initial post, I already apologised for my bad formulation. I really hate how ICC was abused and people like Eywa and Kiante celebrate that abuse.
à propos learn2read, I didn't say I hacked or used hacks or knew how to make hacks working on ICC. I said that I personally know that it's easy to hack on ICC, that could also be from a victims perspective.
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Australia7069 Posts
If you were talking from a victims perspective you would say hacking is more prevalent, not extrapolate to easy. You've obviously hacked, and are therefore the scum of the broodwar community.
To rehash on the iccup hating thing, their overzealous head admin almost single handedly brought down the best foreigner tourney since TSL2 because of some petty bullshit. I'll enjoy their misfortune almost solely for this reason.
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Solution provided thread derailed by most respected posters in here what can i say close the damn thread other than that I don't know what politics and bullshit you are trying to bring up here but keep it out here if people want to play fish or iccup that's their choice no point going around like a person on the street vouching for "political correct " sentiments. Mods close the damn thread.
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On August 16 2011 17:22 Kiante wrote:
If you were talking from a victims perspective you would say hacking is more prevalent, not extrapolate to easy. You've obviously hacked, and are therefore the scum of the broodwar community.
To rehash on the iccup hating thing, their overzealous head admin almost single handedly brought down the best foreigner tourney since TSL2 because of some petty bullshit. I'll enjoy their misfortune almost solely for this reason.
Nice how native english speakers assume good english vocabulary from everyone in the world. I didn't know prevalent before, typical english native arrogance.
Can you please cut your false information spreading? I did a lot of reverse engineering around broodwar. I released 3 hacks to the public (ObsMode, F1-F8 location saving, Moto Mongo Fix), kept several others private and shared them just with friends.
Only the F1-F8 thing was altering the ingame mechanics, but that was just for an austrian bw player who questioned how it would be to play with so many location saving hotkeys, more of a joke. I hardly doubt anyone ever used it, not even him because he didnt wanna hack.
Moto Mongo Fix was a proof of concept that Motos anti hack maps are crap and shouldn't be used as counter to maphacks (only oblivion at that time) as it just gives a false feeling of security. These maps disappeared after a short time anyway, because as I said, they sucked.
The private ones added functionality like AdvBnet or whatever it is called to check your apm stuff ingame without alt+tab and all that or advanced replay information ingame, as I was watching heaps of replays at that time. Improved the bw file browser (no more file name is to long with replays error and such stuff, shortcuts for moving through folders, etc).
Allthough I could've use hacks all the time even on ICC with anti hack on, I never did, as it takes the fun out of the game. But brainless people like you who 12 Nex PvP every game and then cry "HACK HACK HACK!" if it gets hard countered can't understand such simple stuff.
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Australia7069 Posts
i never cry "hack hack hack". i 12 nex because i like it and i like knowing where i can improve, not to qq about hacks. i'm just pointing out you claimed to find it easy to hack on iccup. where can you take that statement other than you hacked. nice job trying to backtrack tho. glad you're hacking on iccup and not fish
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On August 16 2011 00:14 Fortis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 00:05 bITt.mAN wrote:
Granted downloading a launcher to play Starcraft Brood War is NOT as high target and high risk as direct DL MP3's, but the danger is unless you read Korean you can't have proper safety habits because YOU CAN'T READ THAT SMALL PRINT. What's there stopping you from pressing a dangerous button with writing on it if you can't even read what it's meant to do? Yes SS guides exist, but how good are those once the UI is revamped.
This community is supportive and diverse enough to have an up-to-date SS guide if the GUI does change. There are plenty of Korean users on TL who would help if someone made a thread or bumped an old SS guide for wLauncher or Mini or whatnot. If the GUI changes and you're clicking random buttons, you're the idiot, don't blame the program. Anyone who has such a primitive understanding of computer security will learn their lesson. Everyone else will enjoy the service. Most people find out about Korean servers/launchers through TL and the SS guides anyways, they have no reason to not follow them. The fact of the matter is that there are thousands more people using wLauncher, Mini, Fish and Brain servers than ICCup/ICCup Launcher. Not only does this make playing on Korean gateways favorable for competitive and ACTIVE play, but it also means that there are thousands of people out there who aren't dumb enough to fuck up their computer. What is funny is that despite this being what you describe as a major hurdle or obstacle or security threat or whatever, for whatever reason there are still more people on Fish than ICC. Conclusion? Your bias is blinding you to the reality of the situation. It's fine for you to not like Korean gateways because you are an ICCup admin, but don't go around making broad generalizations and as Kiante put it, "bashing" Korean gateways if your only arguments are the language barrier and the fact that if you don't follow the VERY comprehensive guides posted on TL you might get a virus.
This is very well put. However, Bitt.Man makes it really easy to make intelligent posts, as I've never seen a post of his having no relevance to lobbying for iCCup.
On August 16 2011 18:28 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
Moto Mongo Fix was a proof of concept that Motos anti hack maps are crap and shouldn't be used as counter to maphacks (only oblivion at that time) as it just gives a false feeling of security. These maps disappeared after a short time anyway, because as I said, they sucked.
I actually remember this. I swear to god, I sat here and wondered where the hell I recognized your name from. You launched a huge campaign against him @ TL and East lol. + Show Spoiler + and gosugamers if I remember correctly
Third point:
There is so much win in this thread. I was like "How did this thread stay alive..?" Now I know.
Edit: @Fortis: Please post more on TL. I enjoy reading your rebuttals.
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On August 16 2011 19:29 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 18:28 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
Moto Mongo Fix was a proof of concept that Motos anti hack maps are crap and shouldn't be used as counter to maphacks (only oblivion at that time) as it just gives a false feeling of security. These maps disappeared after a short time anyway, because as I said, they sucked.
I actually remember this. I swear to god, I sat here and wondered where the hell I recognized your name from. You launched a huge campaign against him @ TL and East lol. + Show Spoiler + and gosugamers if I remember correctly
Can you please link me to my huge campaign against him? Can you please tell me how I campaigned against him on East without having EVER had an account on East? How would you be able to tell if I did anything on GG.net?
I simply showed that it took me less than an hour to circumvent his anti hack maps (all of them) with the most time spent searching for the map unprotector. I didn't even do this here on TL.net but on bwhacks.com where some guys where whining about Oblivion not working anymore.
People telling ICafe.Moto that anti hack maps suck: MasterOfChaos, tec27, Ashur, Rich. Just read it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85836
Srsly Game, stop beeing such a dick.
On August 16 2011 18:53 Kiante wrote:
i never cry "hack hack hack". i 12 nex because i like it and i like knowing where i can improve, not to qq about hacks. i'm just pointing out you claimed to find it easy to hack on iccup. where can you take that statement other than you hacked. nice job trying to backtrack tho. glad you're hacking on iccup and not fish.
Sadly I'm traveling right now and I have no access to the replay, so unfortunately I can't prove your hack accusations when I 10/12 gated you and you cried hack like a little baby "fucking 9/9 gate hacker", hahaha not even calling the build right. Or a replay of you leaving as soon as I call your 12 nexus without scouting, because you 12 Nex all the time, what kinda wizard I am, wooow. Oh no I forgot, hacker not wizard hahaha. That one was on your stream, so maybe it's still out somewhere.
I never claimed that I find it easy to hack on ICC, I said it IS easy to hack on ICC (because I have seen it, done it or expirienced it). I don't need to have ANY hacking knowledge for that, as proven skilled hackers/coders like ashur posted the whole concept of such a hack here on teamliquid (it got deleted by mods). Read here to see the remainig indications of Invisiblo: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85836¤tpage=3#45
kind regards
WhuazGoodNjaggah (hackfree since 1998)
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On August 16 2011 21:46 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 19:29 Game wrote:On August 16 2011 18:28 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
Moto Mongo Fix was a proof of concept that Motos anti hack maps are crap and shouldn't be used as counter to maphacks (only oblivion at that time) as it just gives a false feeling of security. These maps disappeared after a short time anyway, because as I said, they sucked.
I actually remember this. I swear to god, I sat here and wondered where the hell I recognized your name from. You launched a huge campaign against him @ TL and East lol. + Show Spoiler + and gosugamers if I remember correctly Can you please link me to my huge campaign against him? Can you please tell me how I campaigned against him on East without having EVER had an account on East? How would you be able to tell if I did anything on GG.net? I simply showed that it took me less than an hour to circumvent his anti hack maps (all of them) with the most time spent searching for the map unprotector. I didn't even do this here on TL.net but on bwhacks.com where some guys where whining about Oblivion not working anymore. People telling ICafe.Moto that anti hack maps suck: MasterOfChaos, tec27, Ashur, Rich. Just read it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85836Srsly Game, stop beeing such a dick.
What is your problem? You have serious emotional issues for being so defensive. If anything it's a simple case of mis-identification, but yet I'm being a dick? So sorry that you weren't the guy I was thinking of that launched a campaign against him. I'll go call the forum gods and make sure they forgive me for my sins.
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On August 17 2011 05:01 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 21:46 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 16 2011 19:29 Game wrote:On August 16 2011 18:28 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
Moto Mongo Fix was a proof of concept that Motos anti hack maps are crap and shouldn't be used as counter to maphacks (only oblivion at that time) as it just gives a false feeling of security. These maps disappeared after a short time anyway, because as I said, they sucked.
I actually remember this. I swear to god, I sat here and wondered where the hell I recognized your name from. You launched a huge campaign against him @ TL and East lol. + Show Spoiler + and gosugamers if I remember correctly Can you please link me to my huge campaign against him? Can you please tell me how I campaigned against him on East without having EVER had an account on East? How would you be able to tell if I did anything on GG.net? I simply showed that it took me less than an hour to circumvent his anti hack maps (all of them) with the most time spent searching for the map unprotector. I didn't even do this here on TL.net but on bwhacks.com where some guys where whining about Oblivion not working anymore. People telling ICafe.Moto that anti hack maps suck: MasterOfChaos, tec27, Ashur, Rich. Just read it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85836Srsly Game, stop beeing such a dick. What is your problem? You have serious emotional issues for being so defensive. If anything it's a simple case of mis-identification, but yet I'm being a dick? So sorry that you weren't the guy I was thinking of that launched a campaign against him. I'll go call the forum gods and make sure they forgive me for my sins.
Game why are you so awesome?
To end the argument: iccup.com website goes down at times, giving 502 error. No, its not malicious, but the server itself has problems. If it was malicious, many people on TL would not use iCCup in the first place; however its your decision to continue to the main website or turn back and find a server that doesn't give out warnings.
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On August 17 2011 05:01 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2011 21:46 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:On August 16 2011 19:29 Game wrote:On August 16 2011 18:28 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
Moto Mongo Fix was a proof of concept that Motos anti hack maps are crap and shouldn't be used as counter to maphacks (only oblivion at that time) as it just gives a false feeling of security. These maps disappeared after a short time anyway, because as I said, they sucked.
I actually remember this. I swear to god, I sat here and wondered where the hell I recognized your name from. You launched a huge campaign against him @ TL and East lol. + Show Spoiler + and gosugamers if I remember correctly Can you please link me to my huge campaign against him? Can you please tell me how I campaigned against him on East without having EVER had an account on East? How would you be able to tell if I did anything on GG.net? I simply showed that it took me less than an hour to circumvent his anti hack maps (all of them) with the most time spent searching for the map unprotector. I didn't even do this here on TL.net but on bwhacks.com where some guys where whining about Oblivion not working anymore. People telling ICafe.Moto that anti hack maps suck: MasterOfChaos, tec27, Ashur, Rich. Just read it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85836Srsly Game, stop beeing such a dick. What is your problem? You have serious emotional issues for being so defensive. If anything it's a simple case of mis-identification, but yet I'm being a dick? So sorry that you weren't the guy I was thinking of that launched a campaign against him. I'll go call the forum gods and make sure they forgive me for my sins.
What is your problem? You have serious emotional issues for being so offensive. See what I did there?
It would've taken you 2 minutes to check if your blurred memory was correct, but instead you have chosen to just discredit me anyway. Shooting then asking questions is a bad strat, you should not use it.
As I said, stop being a dick.
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