ICCUP blacklisted for me

On August 15 2011 15:46 Eywa- wrote:
Just play on Fish Server, its better.

On August 15 2011 18:49 noname_ wrote:
I hope you didn`t installed the plugins in mini launcher.

On August 15 2011 15:46 Eywa- wrote:
Just play on Fish Server, its better.

On August 15 2011 18:18 bITt.mAN wrote:
FUU lost long post because I Alt-Tabbed then got interrupted by my supervisor ):

iCCup site is normally hosted on their more stable servers, not in EN but .RU or .KR These domains are automatically blacklisted by foreign antiviruses, e.g. I am warned to not visit DES or Fomos because they are dangerous websites set on destroying my computer (racist anymuch?).

Also, there is no problem with the launcher, the only issue I've had, and it pisses me off, is my antivirus tries to delete the wmode.bwl (permits windowed mode) calling it an evil Trojan, simply because of the way it modifies the way BroodWar.mpq runs.

Long story short, anal antivirus programs do not coincide well with a gaming lifestyle, they're usually wrong and make a big scary thing about nothing, and iCCup servers are much cleaner, especially by the virtue of being in a language you understand ("lol-wut does this button do? I can't read the typeset, let alone the language buuut *click* o crap!").

On August 15 2011 18:18 bITt.mAN wrote:
FUU lost long post because I Alt-Tabbed then got interrupted by my supervisor ):

iCCup site is normally hosted on their more stable servers, not in EN but .RU or .KR These domains are automatically blacklisted by foreign antiviruses, e.g. I am warned to not visit DES or Fomos because they are dangerous websites set on destroying my computer (racist anymuch?).

Also, there is no problem with the launcher, the only issue I've had, and it pisses me off, is my antivirus tries to delete the wmode.bwl (permits windowed mode) calling it an evil Trojan, simply because of the way it modifies the way BroodWar.mpq runs.

Long story short, anal antivirus programs do not coincide well with a gaming lifestyle, they're usually wrong and make a big scary thing about nothing, and iCCup servers are much cleaner, especially by the virtue of being in a language you understand ("lol-wut does this button do? I can't read the typeset, let alone the language buuut *click* o crap!").

On August 15 2011 21:00 cujo2k wrote:

It would be better if everyone from our community played on it, but there are not enough foreigners on there, so it gets boring/lonely after a while.

On August 15 2011 21:31 Fortis wrote:

People go on Fish to play Koreans and get better, not play chatcraft.

The people who are into chatcraft, however, are in op teamliquid on Fish.

On August 15 2011 18:18 bITt.mAN wrote:
FUU lost long post because I Alt-Tabbed then got interrupted by my supervisor ):

iCCup site is normally hosted on their more stable servers, not in EN but .RU or .KR These domains are automatically blacklisted by foreign antiviruses, e.g. I am warned to not visit DES or Fomos because they are dangerous websites set on destroying my computer (racist anymuch?).

Also, there is no problem with the launcher, the only issue I've had, and it pisses me off, is my antivirus tries to delete the wmode.bwl (permits windowed mode) calling it an evil Trojan, simply because of the way it modifies the way BroodWar.mpq runs.

Long story short, anal antivirus programs do not coincide well with a gaming lifestyle, they're usually wrong and make a big scary thing about nothing, and iCCup servers are much cleaner, especially by the virtue of being in a language you understand ("lol-wut does this button do? I can't read the typeset, let alone the language buuut *click* o crap!").

On August 15 2011 21:29 Kiante wrote:

Do you take pot shots at korean BW servers in every single fucking post you make? Lol, just mad that Iccup has like 10 users and ISL ditched you for fish at the first moment, tricked you into letting their ladder on and fucked off as soon as it was done? hahahahaha

On August 16 2011 00:05 bITt.mAN wrote:
Granted downloading a launcher to play Starcraft Brood War is NOT as high target and high risk as direct DL MP3's, but the danger is unless you read Korean you can't have proper safety habits because YOU CAN'T READ THAT SMALL PRINT. What's there stopping you from pressing a dangerous button with writing on it if you can't even read what it's meant to do? Yes SS guides exist, but how good are those once the UI is revamped.

On August 15 2011 21:00 cujo2k wrote:

It would be better if everyone from our community played on it, but there are not enough foreigners on there, so it gets boring/lonely after a while.

On August 16 2011 00:09 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:


Are you proud of abusing the ICC ladder in a clan system? It's like: "Haa-haa you guys suck, but we are to shitty to do it without you so we pull a shady move to abuse your system but still shit on your face". Yeah, now thats classy, bravo.

I personally know that it's easy to hack on ICC, but it's way easier to do it on fish server.

On August 16 2011 00:09 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:


Are you proud of abusing the ICC ladder in a clan system? It's like: "Haa-haa you guys suck, but we are to shitty to do it without you so we pull a shady move to abuse your system but still shit on your face". Yeah, now thats classy, bravo.

I personally know that it's easy to hack on ICC, but it's way easier to do it on fish server

On August 15 2011 21:29 Kiante wrote:

Do you take pot shots at korean BW servers in every single fucking post you make? Lol, just mad that Iccup has like 10 users and ISL ditched you for fish at the first moment, tricked you into letting their ladder on and fucked off as soon as it was done? hahahahaha

On August 15 2011 22:36 LML wrote:


Yea, I chatcraft alot in there:d
met quite some nice ppl in op teamliquid and played with them several times, too.

On August 15 2011 21:31 Fortis wrote:

People go on Fish to play Koreans and get better, not play chatcraft.

The people who are into chatcraft, however, are in op teamliquid on Fish.

On August 16 2011 02:10 Kiante wrote:
lol what? I'm not associated with ISL2 at all. Just an outside observer. I think its hillarious that iccup is so bad they bailed so early is all

On August 16 2011 02:24 supernovamaniac wrote:


Nuff said.

On August 16 2011 02:10 Kiante wrote:Nice to know you're a hacking noob tho.

On August 16 2011 02:55 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:

sorry that was unfortunately formulated. I'm disgusted by your joy of other ppl abusing icc.





two brainless people not beeing able to see simple things? Is an anti virus company bad because they know how to make viruses? more brainfarts please.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to make broodwar maphack safe, it has been proven f.e. by Ashur, similar concepts were also released on bwhacks.com when it still was online.

I personally have done very simple stuff for non malicious use, but sure, I need hacks to play a game I enjoyed for 13 years to still boost my ego on simple wins I get in a lame way. grow up plz.

On August 16 2011 02:55 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:

sorry that was unfortunately formulated. I'm disgusted by your joy of other ppl abusing icc.





two brainless people not beeing able to see simple things? Is an anti virus company bad because they know how to make viruses? more brainfarts please.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to make broodwar maphack safe, it has been proven f.e. by Ashur, similar concepts were also released on bwhacks.com when it still was online.

I personally have done very simple stuff for non malicious use, but sure, I need hacks to play a game I enjoyed for 13 years to still boost my ego on simple wins I get in a lame way. grow up plz.

On August 16 2011 02:34 Klaca wrote:



You guys dont get it. Its not the competitive scene, its the UMS scene that is lacking in Fish. In Iccup you know there are the stable HLS game guys, the cat&mouse guys, the nexus map guys, the 2v6Z map guys, poker scene. Its great because it has character and we can understand it.

But Fish UMS scene? Its all korean symbols, filled with koreans. Western person cant understand anything..

On August 16 2011 06:32 bITt.mAN wrote:
I've never tried to actively tell people not to use Korean servers, but more to weigh the benefits with the costs:


Reasons specifically against playing on iCCup are usually personal (petty personal complaints against certain figures, which have no effect on gaming experience), or through disuse (go figure, if it's "not cool" there won't be as many people using).

What I've tired to do is voice the opinion that these deadly difficulties are bearable compared to the problems with playing on different servers.


You like English do you (- non-Korean-speaking majority of foreign community), at least you can speak and type English, well that's swell, guess how useful that is on other servers where all you can read are ??????? and you can't type or read most game-names. Support, reporting (abuse), updates, changelogs, well good luck reading those.


I'm not saying you musn't do it, I'm just being contrarian (read: saying what's unpopular) and challenging the example set by select ~cool kids~ of the foreign community, because they won't be the ones raising the issues.

On August 16 2011 03:20 supernovamaniac wrote:

Simple statement of 'I used it for non malicious use' should have been sufficient. Instead, you go on boasting about how people are kids for not understanding that BW is never hack-safe.

Hmm.

On August 16 2011 08:19 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:


Nono, I was not calling you a kid for not understanding that BW is never hack-safe. I did it because you accused me implicitly of using hacks on iccup because I know how to do it.

On August 16 2011 08:28 FlaShFTW wrote:
Hm... it seems to work fine with me. i only have this "unidentified publisher" thingy on my vista every time i try opening up iccup launcher. it works fine though and i override the command.

On August 16 2011 10:16 supernovamaniac wrote:


Given how you were responding to Kiante in such manner, did you really expect a nice response from 'I know how to hack'?

On August 16 2011 10:53 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:


He called me a "hacking noob" and you question MY manner? I win vs him and I am not using any hacks to get an advantage ingame.

On August 16 2011 11:31 supernovamaniac wrote:

You really need to see which post I'm referring to. #lrn2read

On August 16 2011 17:22 Kiante wrote:
If you were talking from a victims perspective you would say hacking is more prevalent, not extrapolate to easy. You've obviously hacked, and are therefore the scum of the broodwar community.
To rehash on the iccup hating thing, their overzealous head admin almost single handedly brought down the best foreigner tourney since TSL2 because of some petty bullshit. I'll enjoy their misfortune almost solely for this reason.

On August 16 2011 00:14 Fortis wrote:

This community is supportive and diverse enough to have an up-to-date SS guide if the GUI does change. There are plenty of Korean users on TL who would help if someone made a thread or bumped an old SS guide for wLauncher or Mini or whatnot. If the GUI changes and you're clicking random buttons, you're the idiot, don't blame the program. Anyone who has such a primitive understanding of computer security will learn their lesson. Everyone else will enjoy the service. Most people find out about Korean servers/launchers through TL and the SS guides anyways, they have no reason to not follow them.

The fact of the matter is that there are thousands more people using wLauncher, Mini, Fish and Brain servers than ICCup/ICCup Launcher. Not only does this make playing on Korean gateways favorable for competitive and ACTIVE play, but it also means that there are thousands of people out there who aren't dumb enough to fuck up their computer.

What is funny is that despite this being what you describe as a major hurdle or obstacle or security threat or whatever, for whatever reason there are still more people on Fish than ICC. Conclusion? Your bias is blinding you to the reality of the situation. It's fine for you to not like Korean gateways because you are an ICCup admin, but don't go around making broad generalizations and as Kiante put it, "bashing" Korean gateways if your only arguments are the language barrier and the fact that if you don't follow the VERY comprehensive guides posted on TL you might get a virus.

On August 16 2011 18:28 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
Moto Mongo Fix was a proof of concept that Motos anti hack maps are crap and shouldn't be used as counter to maphacks (only oblivion at that time) as it just gives a false feeling of security. These maps disappeared after a short time anyway, because as I said, they sucked.

On August 16 2011 19:29 Game wrote:

I actually remember this. I swear to god, I sat here and wondered where the hell I recognized your name from. You launched a huge campaign against him @ TL and East lol. + Show Spoiler +

On August 16 2011 18:53 Kiante wrote:
i never cry "hack hack hack". i 12 nex because i like it and i like knowing where i can improve, not to qq about hacks. i'm just pointing out you claimed to find it easy to hack on iccup. where can you take that statement other than you hacked. nice job trying to backtrack tho. glad you're hacking on iccup and not fish.

On August 16 2011 21:46 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:


Can you please link me to my huge campaign against him? Can you please tell me how I campaigned against him on East without having EVER had an account on East? How would you be able to tell if I did anything on GG.net?

I simply showed that it took me less than an hour to circumvent his anti hack maps (all of them) with the most time spent searching for the map unprotector. I didn't even do this here on TL.net but on bwhacks.com where some guys where whining about Oblivion not working anymore.
People telling ICafe.Moto that anti hack maps suck: MasterOfChaos, tec27, Ashur, Rich. Just read it here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=85836

Srsly Game, stop beeing such a dick.

On August 17 2011 05:01 Game wrote:


What is your problem? You have serious emotional issues for being so defensive. If anything it's a simple case of mis-identification, but yet I'm being a dick? So sorry that you weren't the guy I was thinking of that launched a campaign against him. I'll go call the forum gods and make sure they forgive me for my sins.

On August 17 2011 05:01 Game wrote:


What is your problem? You have serious emotional issues for being so defensive. If anything it's a simple case of mis-identification, but yet I'm being a dick? So sorry that you weren't the guy I was thinking of that launched a campaign against him. I'll go call the forum gods and make sure they forgive me for my sins.

On August 17 2011 15:54 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:


What is your problem? You have serious emotional issues for being so offensive. See what I did there?

It would've taken you 2 minutes to check if your blurred memory was correct, but instead you have chosen to just discredit me anyway. Shooting then asking questions is a bad strat, you should not use it.

As I said, stop being a dick.

On August 17 2011 16:43 bITt.mAN wrote:
iCCup website gets backed up some time early in the morning CET, IIRC somewhere between 2:30-3:00, lol which is the most common time I check it. It's no issue or threat, they're just backing up the site, so it's down.


Yes and Game,

You don't get around much do you?

Nothing productive is going on here