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MBCGame is a Korean Television Broadcasting company that specializes in eSports; it runs major leagues for multiple games and most importantly it is one of the two pillars of Professional Starcraft Brood War, as for the past decade it has run the second largest individual Starcraft league (the MSL) and has it's own Starcraft Progaming team, MBCGame Heroes. This company has always been a super solid purveyor of eSports, especially with all their unique side-shows. Did you know the first time people you may know as "MarineKingPrime" and "oGsMC" reached the public eye, was when they were unknown members of MBCGame's Progaming team but they were featured in a television show MBCGame hosted about becoming a Progamer? It's undeniable, MKP and MC would be no where as good as they are now without having been previously trained in such a professional environment.
The problem is that according to MBC the parent company of MBCGame, MBCGame is most likely getting shut down, as the company that owns it wants to turn it into a popular music broadcasting company.
That means no more MBCGame, no more awesome shows that are regularly aired on Korean TV supporting eSports in the public eye (especially to kids who watch a lot of TV), no more MBCGame Heroes (which among others discovered and trained current Starcraft 2 superstars), and a major blow to eSports in general (no MSL, half of Proleague gone etc.).
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Korea is undeniably the world capital of eSports, they were the first to start having computer games played on a professional level, and they are the guiding light for any other place that wants to follow suit. How will this look if eSports can't even last for 10 years before having to declare bankruptcy? No one will want that for their future.
Stacraft Brood War is the predecessor to Starcraft 2, not just for the story and the game series, but because SC:BW has the infrastructure and the public acceptance that makes it legitimate in the public eye. SC:BW and MBCGame laid the foundation for eSports as we know it today by promoting computer games as a valid occupation and career. That foundation is the main reason Starcraft 2 already has such a strong professional following (it took 3-4 years for SC:BW teams to really get going, look how easy it was for SC2 with that precedent).
SC:BW and MBC in general are constantly getting more and more young people interested in eSports: SC:BW is so ingrained in the mind of the average Korean youth today that it is literally part of the collective national identity. Young people grow up with eSports, and that makes them want to become progamers themselves. With so much of that TV Broadcasting infrastructure the next generation of progamers probably won't exist.
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TY ITW!
The problem is that according to MBC the parent company of MBCGame, MBCGame is most likely getting shut down, as the company that owns it wants to turn it into a popular music broadcasting company.
That means no more MBCGame, no more awesome shows that are regularly aired on Korean TV supporting eSports in the public eye (especially to kids who watch a lot of TV), no more MBCGame Heroes (which among others discovered and trained current Starcraft 2 superstars), and a major blow to eSports in general (no MSL, half of Proleague gone etc.).
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On July 31 2011 00:32 MK4512 wrote:
The loss of a major esports outlet like MBC game removes esports from the public eye a little more, and influences less people to take up starcraft in general (1 or 2), and therefore less pro-gamers. As well, the loss of something like MBC game can de-legitimize esports in general because many could start to see it as a less stable thing than it used to be, with channels folding etc. (TN Especially for seeing it as an unstable career, discouraging parents from allowing their kids from becoming progamers at all "oh did you hear about that TV company shutting down made all those progamers loose their jobs, and since they didn't go to University and only learned Starcraft instead, their future is screwed!")
The loss of a major esports outlet like MBC game removes esports from the public eye a little more, and influences less people to take up starcraft in general (1 or 2), and therefore less pro-gamers. As well, the loss of something like MBC game can de-legitimize esports in general because many could start to see it as a less stable thing than it used to be, with channels folding etc. (TN Especially for seeing it as an unstable career, discouraging parents from allowing their kids from becoming progamers at all "oh did you hear about that TV company shutting down made all those progamers loose their jobs, and since they didn't go to University and only learned Starcraft instead, their future is screwed!")
Korea is undeniably the world capital of eSports, they were the first to start having computer games played on a professional level, and they are the guiding light for any other place that wants to follow suit. How will this look if eSports can't even last for 10 years before having to declare bankruptcy? No one will want that for their future.
Stacraft Brood War is the predecessor to Starcraft 2, not just for the story and the game series, but because SC:BW has the infrastructure and the public acceptance that makes it legitimate in the public eye. SC:BW and MBCGame laid the foundation for eSports as we know it today by promoting computer games as a valid occupation and career. That foundation is the main reason Starcraft 2 already has such a strong professional following (it took 3-4 years for SC:BW teams to really get going, look how easy it was for SC2 with that precedent).
SC:BW and MBC in general are constantly getting more and more young people interested in eSports: SC:BW is so ingrained in the mind of the average Korean youth today that it is literally part of the collective national identity. Young people grow up with eSports, and that makes them want to become progamers themselves. With so much of that TV Broadcasting infrastructure the next generation of progamers probably won't exist.
On July 31 2011 01:05 Gamegene wrote:
Write that if anybody truly cares about E-Sports, truly truly (not just saying it because it sounds so fucking noble), they'll lend a hand in preserving the future, sustainability, and acknowledgment of professional gaming in general.
Korea is still the world's spawning pool for the best of the best starcraft players. If TV stations, prestigious tournaments like the MSL, and eventually sponsors start to phase out Brood War from signifigance, it's only a matter of time before a number of pro gaming teams and players are out of a job. Yes. Some of them WILL go to SCII if that happens. That's a probability. But if we're looking at this from a long term perspective, Korea will cease to be the world wide power in starcraft. That means no more MCs (iron), no more Nesteas (zergbong), no more Puma/Gentlemens, no more Losiras, no more Bombers (fancy), no more MarineKings (clare) no more Nadas, no more Julys, no more YellOws, no more BoxeRs.
The mere existance of good Korean players, and good Korean players from BW ensures that the skill ceiling for SCII is incredibly high. It ensures that nobody has to watch crappy players (TN snip) in tournaments when Thorzain and Naniwa aspire to compete with the Koreans. If there's no incentive for skilled players in Korea to join professional gaming, the entire scene as a whole will suffer.
Don't be stupid and think that this doesn't effect you. (TN we're all in this together, BW, SC2, whatever)
If you truly truly care, you'll try and understand, and hopefully, help.
Write that if anybody truly cares about E-Sports, truly truly (not just saying it because it sounds so fucking noble), they'll lend a hand in preserving the future, sustainability, and acknowledgment of professional gaming in general.
Korea is still the world's spawning pool for the best of the best starcraft players. If TV stations, prestigious tournaments like the MSL, and eventually sponsors start to phase out Brood War from signifigance, it's only a matter of time before a number of pro gaming teams and players are out of a job. Yes. Some of them WILL go to SCII if that happens. That's a probability. But if we're looking at this from a long term perspective, Korea will cease to be the world wide power in starcraft. That means no more MCs (iron), no more Nesteas (zergbong), no more Puma/Gentlemens, no more Losiras, no more Bombers (fancy), no more MarineKings (clare) no more Nadas, no more Julys, no more YellOws, no more BoxeRs.
The mere existance of good Korean players, and good Korean players from BW ensures that the skill ceiling for SCII is incredibly high. It ensures that nobody has to watch crappy players (TN snip) in tournaments when Thorzain and Naniwa aspire to compete with the Koreans. If there's no incentive for skilled players in Korea to join professional gaming, the entire scene as a whole will suffer.
Don't be stupid and think that this doesn't effect you. (TN we're all in this together, BW, SC2, whatever)
If you truly truly care, you'll try and understand, and hopefully, help.
On July 31 2011 02:40 Torenhire wrote:
ESPORTS for us = BW.
BW = Korean scene, there's no international scene much anymore.
MBC = 50% of Korean BW (OGN the other half)
That's how it's going to hurt our ESPORTS - which is why we're showing support. I think everyone knows we can't really DO anything, but at least we're getting behind something we care about.
ESPORTS for us = BW.
BW = Korean scene, there's no international scene much anymore.
MBC = 50% of Korean BW (OGN the other half)
That's how it's going to hurt our ESPORTS - which is why we're showing support. I think everyone knows we can't really DO anything, but at least we're getting behind something we care about.
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On July 29 2011 05:31 IntoTheWow wrote:
Ok, gravity of the situation (imo)
Brood War through it's history has been run on 2 channels mainly: OnGameNet (OGN) and MBC Game (MBC).
The two big single leagues Brood War has are OSL (Ongame net StarLeague) and MSL (Mbc StarLeague). There was another single league run by GomTV but it died some time ago (because of KeSPA reasons and things that are not relevant). There are also some off-season single leagues now and then, but those are minor in the grand scheme of things.
The team league (what we call Proleague) is run by both channels together MBC and OGN. There's 2 matches a night, one on each channel. Finals are on both channels at the same time.
These news are important because MBC Game is a channel dedicated to video games. Besides the Brood War main shows (MSL, Proleague), MBC also has other shows like MBC Hero Attack (where TL Attack got the idea from), some shows were commentators play with players, an 'amateur' Brood War league etc.
Besides that MBC hosts shows on other games like Tekken Crash (fighting game), Special Forces (Counter-Strike korean clone) and if I remember correctly other online games like Kart Rider (mario kart online basically).
This means that if MBC is gone, first part of the infrastructure could be gone or re-conditioned for the Kpop music channel. They own a studio where the matches are played.
Commentators could lose their job and people who work here. Some of the people could still work for the music channel I guess: camera guys, lighting, make-up, directors, etc.
The name would be gone. MSL exists because beside the infrastructure it holds prestige, they have a relationship with KeSPA and teams (Gom league had the cash, but didn't have this). They also have a strong name, which lets them negotiate with big sponsors.
So, I don't want to blow this out of proportion, because no news are final yet. But MBC Game closing down (or switching to another thing) would be pretty big for BW and pretty big for any niche Esports in Korea.
Ok, gravity of the situation (imo)
Brood War through it's history has been run on 2 channels mainly: OnGameNet (OGN) and MBC Game (MBC).
The two big single leagues Brood War has are OSL (Ongame net StarLeague) and MSL (Mbc StarLeague). There was another single league run by GomTV but it died some time ago (because of KeSPA reasons and things that are not relevant). There are also some off-season single leagues now and then, but those are minor in the grand scheme of things.
The team league (what we call Proleague) is run by both channels together MBC and OGN. There's 2 matches a night, one on each channel. Finals are on both channels at the same time.
These news are important because MBC Game is a channel dedicated to video games. Besides the Brood War main shows (MSL, Proleague), MBC also has other shows like MBC Hero Attack (where TL Attack got the idea from), some shows were commentators play with players, an 'amateur' Brood War league etc.
Besides that MBC hosts shows on other games like Tekken Crash (fighting game), Special Forces (Counter-Strike korean clone) and if I remember correctly other online games like Kart Rider (mario kart online basically).
This means that if MBC is gone, first part of the infrastructure could be gone or re-conditioned for the Kpop music channel. They own a studio where the matches are played.
Commentators could lose their job and people who work here. Some of the people could still work for the music channel I guess: camera guys, lighting, make-up, directors, etc.
The name would be gone. MSL exists because beside the infrastructure it holds prestige, they have a relationship with KeSPA and teams (Gom league had the cash, but didn't have this). They also have a strong name, which lets them negotiate with big sponsors.
So, I don't want to blow this out of proportion, because no news are final yet. But MBC Game closing down (or switching to another thing) would be pretty big for BW and pretty big for any niche Esports in Korea.
TY ITW!
What I propose is we use Twitter to try and save MBCGame; at least we can try to make a big enough movement to ask that they preserve MBCGame.
Listen, I really don't like Twitter. I think it's dumb and I don't think it will really change people's opinions, but the least we can do is try. It's SO EASY to do and it may well be very beneficial, so just bear with me and give it a shot!+ Show Spoiler [Credit to Smix q:] +
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By far the easiest route is to log in with your Twitter account, then click this link to Tweet the right message directly, and this one too. You don't need to type a thing it's all done for you!
Step 1: Get Twitter
If you already have a Twitter account, that's great! Otherwise simply (it's REALLY easy) creat a Twitter account.
Step 2: Tweet the Right Thing to the Right People
Our goal is to show them we support MBCGame and that we don't want it gone. So to be respectful and civil. It's already hard enough for the players and staff of MBCGame, they're the ones who are loosing their jobs, so please don't tweet them directly. Instead it's all easily laid out:
Sign my Online Petittion on the matter.
http://twitition.com/eqmna/
Tweet to:
@withkcc
@mbcplus
@withmbc
And to a lesser extent:
@playmbcgame
And write anything supportive basically, mentioning #SaveMBCGame, so for example at least do both of these
@withkcc Please keep broadcasting E-Sports! We love MBCGame and the MSL! #savembcgame
@withmbc Please keep broadcasting E-Sports! We love MBCGame and the MSL! #savembcgame
@mbcplus Please keep broadcasting E-Sports! We love MBCGame Heroes! #savembcgame
@playmbcgame Please keep broadcasting E-Sports! We love MBCGame and the MSL! #savembcgame
Also remember to support #SaveMBCGame!
Step 3: Get the Word Out!
The more people that do this the better, and it's so brain-dead simple anyone can do it! Tweet your friends, or more importantly Tweet your favorite streamer or (SC2) Progamer to ask they help! Big names Tweeting something packs a lot of weight; massive respect to Pokebunny for doing his part, I hope there can be many more!
Step 4: Tweet and Re-Tweet as much as you want, the more the merrier!
Once you've done it, go ahead and bump this thread ((post in it)) so that other people can see it, and to encourage me :}{
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What I really need is someone to write a message in Korean :}{
Oh and :S
On July 28 2011 17:21 phosphorylation wrote:
Guys there is petition going on among korean netizens with a similar message.
agora.media.daum.net/petition/view?id=109976
you need a daum account though...
maybe it can still be added to OP
Guys there is petition going on among korean netizens with a similar message.
agora.media.daum.net/petition/view?id=109976
you need a daum account though...
maybe it can still be added to OP
My
Twitter gets a lot of coverage (see most recent issue of National Geographic: Egypt) as
a great way to be heard. SO LET's BE HEARD!
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Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a situation. And instead of moping about it, let's try our best to remedy it. The "MBCGame to shut down" thread as more than 65k views at the time of writing, within a space of 7 hours. That's a lot of people, commotion and action. Now what if our concerns were voiced beyond our own site?
What I propose is that anyone who cares about MBCGame, about the MSL, or about ALL the GREAT memories we've all had with this delightful broadcasting company, unite to get the message across that they can shove their K-Pop up their ass if it means no BW!+ Show Spoiler [Side-note] +
That doesn't mean they can't coexist (see Hyungjoon), but eSports really needs our support.
We should all get Twitter accounts and use the mighty over-poweredness of Teamliquid to call upon anyone related to Brood War to reinstate MBCGame!
Thing is, I despise Twitter, I can't read/speak Korean, and I don't know how to contact any appropriate people (Coaches, Players, even people with connections like SDM), but we all need help of some kind.
However if we are to have a mass reaction, above all else we need to be supportive, civil and respectful. We can't come off as threatening and abrasive, rather, concerned and caring. I speak no Korean so it'd be nice if we could just have the same, sanctioned, message to copy-paste (if loads of people do it, we need permission from TL first before we start spamming links to where we all came from).
Help make the MBCGame a reality, instead of thinking it's already history.
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I quite like the idea of having the entire BW General Sub-Forum filled with threads starting with "MBCGame"; you know something's going down. Oh the irony, "Savior plays BW games" is also up there, but no one would know him without MBCGame.
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