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On August 05 2011 07:33 redFF wrote:
Here's what i think of taa.
i think taa is just cocky shitty town. he thinks he played well in arkham so now thinks he is BOSSMODE and is trying to do some retarded shit because he thinks he is the greatest mafia player in the world. Town read imo. LaL isn't good when its fairly clear its just some newbie who thinks he is hot shit.
This is what TAA is, not scum.
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On August 05 2011 10:37 Curu wrote:
18 out of 21 Players are alive.
15 out 17 Town aligned players are left.
3 out of 4 Mafia team are left.
Mafia KP is #/2 rounded up.
Mafia KP now is 2.
Where Mafia KP is down. Durr.
Anything above 2 KP = oh look he was right he's a Vig. Vig is easily self confirmable. TAA fakeclaiming Vig as scum is beyond stupid.
LOL
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On August 05 2011 10:39 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 07:33 redFF wrote:
Here's what i think of taa.
i think taa is just cocky shitty town. he thinks he played well in arkham so now thinks he is BOSSMODE and is trying to do some retarded shit because he thinks he is the greatest mafia player in the world. Town read imo. LaL isn't good when its fairly clear its just some newbie who thinks he is hot shit. This is what TAA is, not scum.
But TAA isn't a newbie. You are worse than TAA, sorry to say. He is a relative newcomer but based on what I've seen, he's actually a very decent player.
The newbie argument does not apply to TAA.
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On August 05 2011 10:31 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 05 2011 10:21 youngminii wrote:
To clarify:
TAA and BC spent Day 1 trying to focus fire on JeeJee.
TAA either lied or something went horribly wrong in the night actions.
BC is now trying to focus fire on JeeJee as he was one of the people being looked at yesterday.
Here is what's likely:
If TAA flips red, JeeJee should be green. BC is more likely red than green.
If JeeJee flips green, BC and TAA are both motherfucking red.
If BC flips red, JeeJee should be green. TAA is more likely red than green.
In other words, kill TAA/BC.
If you are the DT and you checked JeeJee who turned out green, claim to Mig right away who should then post this in the thread, whereupon we lynch TAA/BC. I love that by "trying to focus fire on jeejee day 1" was actually very late into the day. Misconstrued evidence. You also neglect to mention If BC is green it is more than likely Jeejee is red and taa is likely green Or if TAA is green it is more than likely jeejee is red and BC is more than likely green Or if JeeJee flips red, TAA and BC are more than likely green. I love that you purposely miss scenarios that are actually relevant to the argument you are trying to make. Killing JeeJee would almost fully clear or damn two players where as killing myself or TAA doesnt fully reveal the alignment of the other two players. Very late into the day is still during the day. Stop throwing around words to make my argument appear weaker. It still happened and you guys still tried to protect Varp. You are absolutely aware that lynching for information comes AFTER lynching for scum. You and TAA are very likely scum in my eyes, why should I go after the information route? You are scum and you are purposely trying to weaken my argument.
TAA is likely just an idiot townie, we had a long dissucssion on it. I highly reccommend you read both IRC logs i posted.
Lucidity is my biggest scumread at the moment:
Primarily because
-Scum didnt try to really divert the wagon to him despite him having some votes in the middle of the day.
-His reactions on IRC while could be being misrepresented say quite alot on the subject.
-Keeps casting doubt on Mig despite his supposed role and all his actions during D1 (Which were quite Pro-town)
I need to go over his posts one more time but it will probably be tommorrow when I have a clearer head, i sometimes find the need to step away from a game for a sec so when i come back i can reevaluate and maybe catch things i didnt find the day before etc.
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On August 05 2011 10:34 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 09:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 05 2011 09:19 JeeJee wrote:On August 05 2011 08:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Ok, to start with I believe of the remaining 3 scum, jeejee is one of them. I say this for a few reasons. He defended Varpulis. However, he didn’t commit to this defense, he posted one near the very beginning of the bandwagon on him then never touched on the issue once it became a solid lynch. His defense of varpulis On August 03 2011 02:41 JeeJee wrote:On August 03 2011 02:09 Mig wrote:On August 03 2011 01:41 JeeJee wrote:
pressure votes are stupid, where did this trend come from? you know when you say "yeah this is a pressure vote", that's pretty much equivalent to "idk who to vote so i'm voting you, but i'm not actually suspicious of you because all you need to do is say something and i'll remove my vote from you".
nobody can seriously feel threatened from a pressure vote, so there's no 'pressure' it's just a throwaway vote JeeJee you are correct on this point but what exactly does pointing it out contribute? You have 2 posts and both of them while correct are bland and useless. You commented on pressure votes and neglected to comment on whether you actually thought varp was scummy or not. Who do you think is scum? What do you think about the 2 leading candidates varp/red? it points out the fact that sandro's vote isn't a real vote. apparently not everybody realizes that pressure votes are a joke. i think both of those candidates are a stupid idea. red is being ragged on due to him opposing a tempting plan, but not one without faults. his concerns are legitimate. claiming over-defensiveness as a scum-tell is something i particularly dislike, having been lynched for it multiple times as a townie. further, the people pushing him are useless people like minii who just jump on the hate with zero reasoning whatsoever. the extent of minii's posts are as follows: On August 02 2011 16:26 youngminii wrote:
fairly certain redff is scum
he's playing exactly like that other game where i was scum with him
i'm sorry red but your scum play is so obvious Fin. varp is being ragged on due to wishy-washness. i just re-read his posts, and the tldr progression is as follows -vigi dont shoot on hunches -be active -no problems re dayvig plan -realizes its better to delay or outright not do the plan due to stacked hits -random fos on trotske i see re-evaluation there, not wishy-washiness. do you see otherwise? random fos are just as useless as pressure votes. sandro and varp are both bad in that department as far as i'm concerned. by itself though, it doesn't mean much, and there's nothing else yet. as for me, i don't have scum leanings on anyone. town leans yes, scum leans no. Note that rather than draw emphasis to the posts of those accusing varpulis, or any of varps posts he just sums the series of posts varp made up. I would normally say that this is a moot point, however he did opt to find it worth quoting posts in relation to redff. Why would you defend two people within one post but only bring attention to specific posts on one bandwagon? Possibly moot, but definitely not normal. minii was hating on red, not varp. if he were hating on varp, i'd have put him in the varp category. it doesn't matter who he is hating when the hate is ill-founded given that he hasn't provided any reasons for itHis next post is 7 hours later saying Hi to drazerk. Followed by 3 hours later appearing to take off on a post that I had made an hour before his post. actually it was asking drazerk a question, showing that he is indeed avoiding the thread, even questions directly addressed to him that can be answered in five secondsOn August 03 2011 12:30 JeeJee wrote:
looks like cobbles picked up on the same thing i have. what particularly irks me about drazerk today is that he has been posting in the other mafia thread on his usual time of 5-10kst +/-1hr so he has been reading this thread as well. but he declined to weigh in, leaving his vote as-is (essentially throwaway). didnt even answer a simple "how are you" =(
usually when people say 'lurking is a scumtell', i disagree because they clump 'afk' and 'lurk' as interchangeable. afking means nothing as far as i'm concerned, just look at ace in snmm5. lurking (ie being there but not speaking) a la drazerk is a different story.
still not voting, but i'll be here before the deadline tomorrow, no worries. This post is the first one that seriously tries to move a bandwagon away from varpulis. This is done by first using my name as a “backup” as well as using a lot of out of thread reasoning. He then refuses to vote as he will be around for the deadline. Moments later he makes a post saying screw it, and votes. Now, as someone who mentioned early in the thread he doesn’t believe in pressure voting, we know that this vote is meant to be solid “I believe this person is scum”. We also know that as of roughly 10 hours before he voted he had no scum leanings on any player. How is it that someone who has been moderately inactive much like himself, is suddenly sure of the guilt of another player when his reasoning is “inactivity in this thread but active outside of it” He couldn’t find anything in thread? Or in irc to help. because it's actually pretty damn scummy when someone is reading the thread but refusing to weigh-in, particularly when his arguments were all shot down and he is throwing away his vote, with the deadline looming. i can't believe you said they weren't serious reasonsHe then spends the next bit of time after the lynch to accuse players of bad logic, spam, and refusal to even defend himself from general accusations. He attacks my accusation that I made of him by saying “I brought him up first” when all he had done previously was say “hi how are you” to drazerk. Overall he has had 17-18 posts all game where a fair majority of them have been spam or generally unhelpful / noncommittal. the general accusations against me were bad, why would i acknowledge them? like i said, i've been lynched for being overly defensive before. apparently shutting down arguments that nobody can possibly believe is more scummy than just ignoring them. responses in bold/red. as for claims,i think it's a good idea. unless you just happen to have a reasonable explanation for the missing KP. hell, even if mig's mafia, he can't just kill off all blues and hope nobody notices -- and him dying would cut mafia kp in half. lucid/red are being unreasonable imo. yeah nothing is 100%, but it's much more likely mig being town than mafia I am glad that through all of this "defending" you still opt to not weigh in heavily on the current day. More to the point however you directly misread a section of what I posted against you. Note that rather than draw emphasis to the posts of those accusing varpulis, or any of varps posts he just sums the series of posts varp made up. I would normally say that this is a moot point, however he did opt to find it worth quoting posts in relation to redff. Why would you defend two people within one post but only bring attention to specific posts on one bandwagon? Possibly moot, but definitely not normal.
minii was hating on red, not varp. if he were hating on varp, i'd have put him in the varp category. it doesn't matter who he is hating when the hate is ill-founded given that he hasn't provided any reasons for it
I had already implied the minii bit was in reference to red. The issue was that you were using posts to defend red whereas you were not using any to defend varp. It shows a "weak" and almost unmemorable defense of a mafia roleblocker. As for your vote of drazerk. Is he lurking and inactive? yes. However, taking the opportunity to jump and appear to try and start a bandwagon when you yourself have also been fairly lurky and inactive is well odd. You then rather than actually give reasonable responses to most people questioning you at that period you opt to do small posts that provide next to nothing. Not only that, but you appear frequently enough to "comment" on the goings on of the thread but you never leave a lasting mark on anything. The posts are very neutral and if someone wasn't looking at you they were be unmemorable. You are a much better player than this and as such should be more active or at least much more contributing than you are now. are you being serious right now? the current day is three hours old. again, you are misinterpreting what i said in the precise manner that i said you would. lurking isn't scummy if you clump afking and lurking as the same thing. i already said this yet you're doing it anyway? lurking by its intended definition is scummy. realize the difference between hiding and not being there. it's the same as the difference between lurking and afking. i never lurked. you insinuating that i did is laughable. as for your last words, thanks but i don't deserve the rep i seem to have around here. every single game i played this year (except where i subbed in ccm) i have been mafia, where it's very easy to run along with the herd, half-hiding and never calling out anyone, and nobody notices. even if you fuck up, you have teammates to cover you. it takes no skill (imho). being townie is a whole other ballgame and i'm doing my best. i guess you don't remember the games where i was townie since they were so long ago, but i routinely got lynched in them =\ hopefully it wont happen here
So you just outlined the things you that you do while as red yet you are continuing the same line of play? How is that intelligent? Trying your best does not mean do what you did as red. You're not analyzing anyone, your barely posting, and your not committing to your ideas or even sharing them. Now that is mean of me to say, you have posted some, but not in any convincing way at all.
I put lurking and afking in the same category because both are anti town behaviour. Neither benefits the town and provide areas mafia can hide in. Of afking and lurking mafia are more likely as of late to lurk as they can appear when needed but be gone and almost invisible otherwise.
However you are barely doing or saying anything to defend yourself aside from now using meta arguments? If you are town then prove it. Step up and be town.
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On August 05 2011 10:40 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 10:39 redFF wrote:On August 05 2011 07:33 redFF wrote:
Here's what i think of taa.
i think taa is just cocky shitty town. he thinks he played well in arkham so now thinks he is BOSSMODE and is trying to do some retarded shit because he thinks he is the greatest mafia player in the world. Town read imo. LaL isn't good when its fairly clear its just some newbie who thinks he is hot shit. This is what TAA is, not scum. But TAA isn't a newbie. You are worse than TAA, sorry to say. He is a relative newcomer but based on what I've seen, he's actually a very decent player. The newbie argument does not apply to TAA.
You yourself agreed TAA is not a stupid new player, name one valid reason he would fakeclaim Vig as scum.
On August 05 2011 10:42 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 10:31 youngminii wrote:On August 05 2011 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 05 2011 10:21 youngminii wrote:
To clarify:
TAA and BC spent Day 1 trying to focus fire on JeeJee.
TAA either lied or something went horribly wrong in the night actions.
BC is now trying to focus fire on JeeJee as he was one of the people being looked at yesterday.
Here is what's likely:
If TAA flips red, JeeJee should be green. BC is more likely red than green.
If JeeJee flips green, BC and TAA are both motherfucking red.
If BC flips red, JeeJee should be green. TAA is more likely red than green.
In other words, kill TAA/BC.
If you are the DT and you checked JeeJee who turned out green, claim to Mig right away who should then post this in the thread, whereupon we lynch TAA/BC. I love that by "trying to focus fire on jeejee day 1" was actually very late into the day. Misconstrued evidence. You also neglect to mention If BC is green it is more than likely Jeejee is red and taa is likely green Or if TAA is green it is more than likely jeejee is red and BC is more than likely green Or if JeeJee flips red, TAA and BC are more than likely green. I love that you purposely miss scenarios that are actually relevant to the argument you are trying to make. Killing JeeJee would almost fully clear or damn two players where as killing myself or TAA doesnt fully reveal the alignment of the other two players. Very late into the day is still during the day. Stop throwing around words to make my argument appear weaker. It still happened and you guys still tried to protect Varp. You are absolutely aware that lynching for information comes AFTER lynching for scum. You and TAA are very likely scum in my eyes, why should I go after the information route? You are scum and you are purposely trying to weaken my argument. TAA is likely just an idiot townie, we had a long dissucssion on it. I highly reccommend you read both IRC logs i posted. Lucidity is my biggest scumread at the moment: Primarily because -Scum didnt try to really divert the wagon to him despite him having some votes in the middle of the day. -His reactions on IRC while could be being misrepresented say quite alot on the subject. -Keeps casting doubt on Mig despite his supposed role and all his actions during D1 (Which were quite Pro-town) I need to go over his posts one more time but it will probably be tommorrow when I have a clearer head, i sometimes find the need to step away from a game for a sec so when i come back i can reevaluate and maybe catch things i didnt find the day before etc.
The Lucidity case is based on JeeJee flipping red IMO, since if he wasn't actually Mafia trying to save Varpulis then it's a null tell.
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The Lucidity case is based on JeeJee flipping red IMO, since if he wasn't actually Mafia trying to save Varpulis then it's a null tell.
Can we actually stop saying this. Nobody is scum/town because any other person flipped scum/town. All that leads to is wifom.
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On August 05 2011 10:59 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +The Lucidity case is based on JeeJee flipping red IMO, since if he wasn't actually Mafia trying to save Varpulis then it's a null tell. Can we actually stop saying this. Nobody is scum/town because any other person flipped scum/town. All that leads to is wifom.
atm, everything is wifom
wifom
wifom
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On August 05 2011 10:59 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +The Lucidity case is based on JeeJee flipping red IMO, since if he wasn't actually Mafia trying to save Varpulis then it's a null tell. Can we actually stop saying this. Nobody is scum/town because any other person flipped scum/town. All that leads to is wifom.
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Analyzing interactions and reactions to lynches is one of the best way to unearth Mafia.
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Mig is pretty clear town, he was already by night time for leading the varp lynch, and the missing kp in the day post just adds to that. I don't see a reason not to claim to him.
For today I'd prefer to lynch out one of JeeJee and chaos13, simply because I don't think every single scum banded on the varp lynch.
JeeJee and chaos13 where both on the Drazerk wagon, which was the most obvious attempt of a vote switch to save varp. BC was on Drazerk as well, but his posting comes across a lot more town like for me.
I agree with BC's case that JeeJee has failed to take hard stances, he has been defending players instead of pressuring, and now he downplay his ability as town. chaos13 kept seemingly refusing to place his vote on varp, until he suddenly realised Drazerk's meta didn't fit his scum play. It took him 48 minutes to change his mind.
For now,
##Vote JeeJee
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defending other players isn't scummy. I thought you already learned that 
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On August 05 2011 10:21 youngminii wrote:
If you are the DT and you checked JeeJee who turned out green, claim to Mig right away who should then post this in the thread, whereupon we lynch TAA/BC.
lol the more I read this the more WTF I go. How could you possibly know what JeeJee's check would return?
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if jeejee returned red i would be even more interested tbh
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It looked like there was relatively little effort put into saving varpulis; varpulis himself appeared to give up quite early, which was really the most damning aspect of his play yesterday. This might imply that the other realistic wagon, lucidity, is scum as well. His play so far doesn't quite match his AA scum play, though his attempts at casting doubt on mig does mirror his similar attempts on Palmar in AA.
Still, Jeejee looks like the better lynch right now. Initially I thought that his drazerk wagon attempt begun too late for it to be a scum attempting to save his team mate (varpulis already had 8 votes and the other alternative only 2), but he actually defended him quite early. Ace is obviously correct in that defending someone isn't a scum tell, but in this context I still consider it something a scum is more likely to do. Jeejee posted his defense soon after Varpulis posted his own and ignored it, despite the defense itself looking quite bad ("I'm fairly sure that i'm not scum, unless I have a serious problem with reading pms".
##vote Jeejee
If there are still blues yet to roleclaim to mig, you should do it now.
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On August 05 2011 10:37 Curu wrote:
18 out of 21 Players are alive.
15 out 17 Town aligned players are left.
3 out of 4 Mafia team are left.
Mafia KP is #/2 rounded up.
Mafia KP now is 2.
Where Mafia KP is down. Durr.
Anything above 2 KP = oh look he was right he's a Vig. Vig is easily self confirmable. TAA fakeclaiming Vig as scum is beyond stupid.
This is quite obviously wrong. It doesn't prove that he's a Vig at all. It proves that there is A Vig out there. Does it have to be TAA because he claimed? No.
I don't understand why you'd make that post though. Are you trying to push the case that it's a terrible move as scum? So that it looks unlikely that TAA is scum? The logic is too obviously wrong to be a mistake o_o
Do Vets and targets who were med protected get notified when they are hit?
Do players get notified if they are Role Blocked? Even if they are scouts?
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^at least two of your questions are answered in the OP:
On August 01 2011 09:48 Kurumi wrote:
Three Legged Electrosapper Robot
You're newly created abomination of RED. Thanks to all improvements, You can defy all laws of normal game, thus making classes useless!
Roleblocker, roleblocks during the night, duh! Every class is notified about roleblock! Cancels Heavy's life!
BLU Medic
Archimedies and You are the greatest doctor team of all! Thanks to Your amazing ZE inventions You can bring Your teamnates from the worst injury!
Just a Medic. Chooses to protect one person every night, thus giving "additional" life for that night. Player, if hit will be notified of protect, Medic won't.
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Everything is in the OP besides vets getting notified of losing lives. They are notified .
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On August 05 2011 10:42 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2011 10:31 youngminii wrote:On August 05 2011 10:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On August 05 2011 10:21 youngminii wrote:
To clarify:
TAA and BC spent Day 1 trying to focus fire on JeeJee.
TAA either lied or something went horribly wrong in the night actions.
BC is now trying to focus fire on JeeJee as he was one of the people being looked at yesterday.
Here is what's likely:
If TAA flips red, JeeJee should be green. BC is more likely red than green.
If JeeJee flips green, BC and TAA are both motherfucking red.
If BC flips red, JeeJee should be green. TAA is more likely red than green.
In other words, kill TAA/BC.
If you are the DT and you checked JeeJee who turned out green, claim to Mig right away who should then post this in the thread, whereupon we lynch TAA/BC. I love that by "trying to focus fire on jeejee day 1" was actually very late into the day. Misconstrued evidence. You also neglect to mention If BC is green it is more than likely Jeejee is red and taa is likely green Or if TAA is green it is more than likely jeejee is red and BC is more than likely green Or if JeeJee flips red, TAA and BC are more than likely green. I love that you purposely miss scenarios that are actually relevant to the argument you are trying to make. Killing JeeJee would almost fully clear or damn two players where as killing myself or TAA doesnt fully reveal the alignment of the other two players. Very late into the day is still during the day. Stop throwing around words to make my argument appear weaker. It still happened and you guys still tried to protect Varp. You are absolutely aware that lynching for information comes AFTER lynching for scum. You and TAA are very likely scum in my eyes, why should I go after the information route? You are scum and you are purposely trying to weaken my argument. TAA is likely just an idiot townie, we had a long dissucssion on it. I highly reccommend you read both IRC logs i posted. Lucidity is my biggest scumread at the moment: Primarily because -Scum didnt try to really divert the wagon to him despite him having some votes in the middle of the day. -His reactions on IRC while could be being misrepresented say quite alot on the subject. -Keeps casting doubt on Mig despite his supposed role and all his actions during D1 (Which were quite Pro-town) I need to go over his posts one more time but it will probably be tommorrow when I have a clearer head, i sometimes find the need to step away from a game for a sec so when i come back i can reevaluate and maybe catch things i didnt find the day before etc.
+ Show Spoiler +[17:48] <BloodyC0bbler> i suddenly like [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> your day 1 finger pointing [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> at lucidity [17:49] <redFF1> :O [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=8#156[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=29#569[17:49] <redFF1> yeah [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> keep in mind mig [17:49] <redFF1> i dont like him [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> isnt 100% [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> but [17:49] <redFF1> yeah [17:49] <redFF1> those 2 posts [17:49] <redFF1> contradict [17:49] <Lucidity> Mig is not a confirmed townie [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> are very [17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> hes not [17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> but seriously dude [17:50] <Original|Laptop> Mig is very close to confirmed [17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> who the fuck [17:50] == Lucidity [~nnscript@Lucidity.users.quakenet.org] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] [17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> shoots trotske [17:50] <Original|Laptop> oh lol [17:50] <Original|Laptop> Lucid [17:50] <Original|Laptop> fucking leaves [17:50] <Original|Laptop> after he knows hes wrong [17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> rofl [17:50] <Drazerk> lol [17:50] <Original|Laptop> and grasping [17:50] <Original|Laptop> wow [17:50] <Original|Laptop> thats so sad [17:50] <BloodyC0bbler> "oh shit i got caught" [17:50] <Original|Laptop> I didnt like him before [17:50] <Original|Laptop> But im almost sure now [17:50] <Original|Laptop> Hes trying to cast doubt on Mig [17:50] <Kenpachi_> loool [17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971&user=86738[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> add in that [17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> he liked idea of day 2 confirmed [17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> townie [17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-
On August 05 2011 18:14 Barundar wrote:
Mig is pretty clear town, he was already by night time for leading the varp lynch, and the missing kp in the day post just adds to that. I don't see a reason not to claim to him.
I'm not sure why no one can see this, but Mig is not confirmed town. The only way to confirm your role is to shoot someone in the Day or to die. Mig hasn't done either. Yes he looks very pro town. No he isn't confirmed.
I didn't ragequit IRC as is being suggested. This happened at approx 1am my time. I was tired and busy shutting down programs. I read the thread, I read a few lines on IRC. I replied and I quit. I didn't stay around, because I had plans of putting my head on my pillow, not arguing about Mig.
I think my position has produced some interesting results at least. This is my first game with BC, but everyone always suggests that he is a Veteran and an amazing player. The way he reacted to my position suggests otherwise:
[17:48] <BloodyC0bbler> i suddenly like
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> your day 1 finger pointing
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> at lucidity
[17:49] <redFF1> :O
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=8#156
[17:49] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971¤tpage=29#569
Here he contrasts me being pro-confirming to a confirmed townie and being against it when it's Mig. This is a terrible comparison, because Mig isn't a confirmed townie. He's trying to show me contradicting myself by misrepresenting the situation. Essentially scum painting.
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=249971&user=86738
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> add in that
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> he liked idea of day 2 confirmed
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> townie
[17:51] <BloodyC0bbler> -_-
Again, he's implying that I'm contradicting myself. I wasn't. A Day 2 confirmed townie is great. Mig isn't one of those.
Why would such a great player make such silly mistakes?
Now, I've had a slight uneasiness with Mig ever since he PMd me early on Day 1.
+ Show Spoiler +Original Message From Mig: Hey, I really like your observations and I agree with most of what you had said. Varp starts off with attempting to appear super pro town but shortly after he falls into making bland vague statements without taking any stands. Varp and chaos both attacked trotske and both had very poor reasoning behind their attacks. Along with that I think there were logic errors in both of their arguments against sand's plan. Definitely very suspicious of both of them, although chaos' post defending himself against syllo made him seem a bit more townie to me. Drh really not sure yet. I am not familiar enough with his meta. BC has said that Drh is fearless as scum and very willing to push mafia objectives openly. Where as when he is town he is a lot less sure of himself. So right now I would lean slightly scum but I really want to see him call some people out and see him do some scum hunting before I feel strongly one way or the other about him. Besides them I have been in contact with bc/sandro/curu/syllo I feel like at least one of them is very likely scum just from a balance perspective. Right now I would lean curu being scum because he hasn't been nearly as aggressive as he was in AA as town. However that is just an early suspicion. Show nested quote +Original Message From Lucidity: Hi there redFF is the scummiest at the moment. He's essentially doing what he did in Arkham's Asylum. Takes a position with no real reasoning (the majority of the reasons he gave are terrible) and is overly defensive. He seems to "joke around" to look like a careless townie. I don't really have an opinion on chaos yet. I didn't really like his comment on the fake medic. The same thing with info gained from a dead townie. By Day 3 there is always info from every death, unless the player perma lurked. Need more info to get a read on him. Both redFF and Vaprulis made posts referencing the Engineer, which isn't present in the game. Their first posts also contained the same generic town advice regarding Town KP. Found that interesting. Might be a link there. Varp is initially concerned about a potential mass amount of blues and KP, but soon after mentions that we're not likely to have many blues at all. His latest FoS feels forced. As if he feels obligated to throw around suspicion and chose a random post to do so. What are your thoughts on them? And drH? Original Message From Mig:
Hello!
I hope you are not mafia again lucidity!
Who do you think is scummy so far? What do you think about chaos/varp/redff?
As you can see I made a very basic reply. He replied with, "I really like your observations!". To me that's not how a townie would react. It's almost as if he's trying to make me like him by complimenting a bland analysis, agreeing with what I had to say. This is something that scum does. They want you to like them. They want you to trust them. When two townies interact in PMs they are both suspicious of the other one. They don't try to have the other like them, because he could be scum. Obviously this doesn't make Mig scum, but it didn't sit well with me and I was wary of him ever since this exchange.
In AA we had a similar scenario where Palmar effectively lynched scum on his own on Day 2. Many people hailed him as a confirmed townie and advocated a mass claim to him. Palmar turned out to be an anti-town role.
Mig appears very pro-town at the moment, but he is not confirmed town. I don't like mass claiming to non-confirmed town.
I have to ask though, why are people so keen to mass claim to him? If he is town, then we gain the benefit of an organised night. If Kenpachi's RB claim was real, then we also more than 4 Blue's most likely, which makes night organisation more useful. If Mig is red though, we lose every blue in the game? It's a gamble when we don't need to take one. I don't like it.
TAA's claim is confusing. It's bad as either town or scum. While there are occasions where it is acceptable to lie as Town (RoL in AA for example. His plan was good and had the chance to work), this wasn't one of them. There was absolutely no pro-town outcome on the cards. Then again, I can't see the pro-scum outcome either? Other than possible confusion? But that's quite risky for minimal reward. It's fucked. If we don't find a real scum candidate (i.e. one who actually acted pro-red) we should turn to LAL. It has the added benefit of discouraging townies from lying in the future too.
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On August 05 2011 22:27 Kurumi wrote:
Everything is in the OP besides vets getting notified of losing lives. They are notified .
Cool beans.
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"Here he contrasts me being pro-confirming to a confirmed townie "
Sorry that was pro-claiming to a confirmed townie.
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