SHOUTcraft Invitational 2 - Electric Banelinggoo - Page 17

On July 20 2011 00:15 nam nam wrote:


It's common knowledge that a player hasn't been invited to a tournament that hasn't announced half of it's players yet? Do you know he would even accept?

Idra's got plenty of invitations anyway, I don't see why you have to make a fool out of yourself in this thread for such a non issue.

On July 20 2011 00:28 StarVe wrote:
You're trying to make it sound like it's a big thing that needs to be "resolved", an "issue" that needs to be "confronted" while everyone else agrees that it's not. I'm sorry to say, but whether or not you think that the exclusion of IdrA diminishes the event is not particular relevant.

Instead of IdrA we're going to see eight players who are equally or more deserving in TB's eyes fight it out and it's gonna be awesome.

On July 20 2011 00:19 Nifel wrote:


Thank you for the elaborate response. Though, I must say that I find it slightly surprising that you've chosen to stay out of the community and the discussions during your many years here on TL.net. Especially considering there are several individuals who, over the years, have stirred up equal if not greater drama! I can imagine a person with interests and opinions such as yours must have been tempted to partake in the discussions. I guess you've got especially strong opinions about TotalBiscuit and his work.

Anyway, now when you're a posting member of the community, let me take this chance to welcome you to TL.net!

Also, I must say I'm really happy with TB's choice of co-caster. dApollo is an excellent choice and complements TB very well. While he was great already back at the i42 (or was it the i41?) I feel he's improved a lot since then.

On July 20 2011 00:34 Jonneh wrote:


"Everyone else" is a big claim for you to make. If I am the only person in the whole community to care about this, then I do apologise. Even if true though, it doesn't really prevent me from shining a light on the issue.

I'm sure all the other players are great. Idra is one of the best non-koreans though, as I'm sure you could agree his results at tournaments show with the possible exception of the most recent. Again, if I am the only person in the whole community who'd like to see him playing then I apologise, but I really don't think I am.

On July 20 2011 00:38 OrderlyChaos wrote:


You can see Idra play in many other events, if that's truly all you care about. This is TB's invitational, and if he doesn't care to give Idra a free $100 (at least), then it's his prerogative. He's invited many players in both this tournament and the previous tournament who are skilled and have also shown strong tournament results, along with players that are skilled, but not as heavily e-famous (I would consider Stephano, Nerchio, etc as part of this group). He is under no obligation to have the players that you believe are the best in his tournament, and I don't know if he'd be that bothered by losing some viewers because of it.

On July 20 2011 00:34 Jonneh wrote:


"Everyone else" is a big claim for you to make. If I am the only person in the whole community to care about this, then I do apologise. Even if true though, it doesn't really prevent me from shining a light on the issue.

I'm sure all the other players are great. Idra is one of the best non-koreans though, as I'm sure you could agree his results at tournaments show with the possible exception of the most recent. Again, if I am the only person in the whole community who'd like to see him playing then I apologise, but I really don't think I am.

On July 20 2011 00:44 Sated wrote:

This assumes that IdrA should 100% be in with these 8 players and that his exclusion is against some sort of natural order. Not the case. Stop being daft.

On July 20 2011 00:57 Jonneh wrote:


I'm sorry I don't understand this point. We know he isn't included because of the public comments and arguments made. If he was simply not invited for incidental reasons, or indeed he himself declined because he couldn't spare the time and so on I should say things would be quite different.

On July 20 2011 00:41 Jonneh wrote:


I don't doubt that you're correct on every point there. My only rebuttal being that I find the reasons for his absolute exclusion to be childish and beneath the standard to which we should all hope to aspire. If you read my first post in this thread, you'd probably find I am just as critical of idra for this situation. It takes two to tango, as they say.

On July 20 2011 01:13 Telcontar wrote:
Sheth is a very nice addition. Looking forward to seeing more terrans on the list! My bet is on Kas, Demuslim and maybe Tarson.

On July 20 2011 00:53 TotalBiscuit wrote:
It's very easy for critics who contribute so little to come along and claim that they would "bury the hatchet" with someone who has gone out of his way, along with his teammate, to attack their character and would happily give money out of their own pocket to that person. They will never be in a position where they have to put their money where their mouth is, so they can claim this imaginary moral highground.

Both of the Zerg I've invited so far are more interesting in my opinion than IdrA at this point. They are posting consistently good results, they are placing similarly to him. IdrA is out of practice and will probably remain in decline until this EG Teamhouse gets going, he's not as interesting as either Nerchio or Sheth and I'd rather have them in my tournament than him. That'd be the case even if he hadn't insulted me. You wanna know what the great thing about sponsoring your own invitational is? You get to invite who you like and nobody has any right to criticise you for it. When it comes to picking players for this tournament I pick a mix that I think will create an interesting tournament. SHOUTcraft Invitational was started as a way to provide a very positive, fun tournament for everyone where people would discuss the matchs, not the drama. Bringing IdrA into it adds nothing, hell I'd expect him to lose, ragequit, BM one of the players who most likely did not deserve it and then the LR thread degenerates into arguments about him, completely overshadowing the tournament. It's a genius marketing ploy on his part and those love-to-hate personalities work, but y'know what? I don't want them in my tournament.

And once again, that's assuming I needed to justify my reasons for not inviting him beyond "he was a dick to me on public forums on more than one occasion and I don't tend to give my money to people who flame me". There is no reason to believe that any critic in this thread would act any differently.

On July 20 2011 01:21 Sated wrote:

Complaining about IdrA not being included assumes he has some sort of right to be there. It assumes that excluding him goes against some sort of natural order. It doesn't. The reason he's not being invited doesn't matter one bit because it's pointless complaining about players not being in an invitational, there are so many good players that losing one of them isn't going to make the tournament any worse. Stop being daft.