SHOUTcraft Invitational 2 - Electric Banelinggoo - Page 18

Both of the Zerg I've invited so far are more interesting in my opinion than IdrA at this point

On July 20 2011 01:29 Jonneh wrote:
I thank you for the eventual response, but wish to highlight a few issues I have.

For one, saying I or anyone else has "no right to criticize" is completely incorrect. I can criticize you both for acting this way. You've both said things about each other which have no real place in a public forum. You make a big point in your tweets and videos saying that trolling and trolls are reprehensible. What would you call two esports personalities having at each other, saying how terrible at casting each other are, and so forth? Seems like you were trolling each other very effectively there. You also make a big point of calling people a hypocrite when you believe them to be acting so. (earlier in this very thread, in fact) Is it not fair to say that its pretty hypocritical of you to act like that in a public way with a player of the esport you support? What did that argument bring to anything except drama?

I'm not really asking you to justify your reasons. We all know your reasons, it was made quite public what they are. What I am saying is that I find it to be childish that two adults put their own pride and ego ahead of the game. I would welcome attempts by either party to resolve the matter so that we don't have to discuss it, and so it is not an issue for future events.

On July 20 2011 01:35 tdt wrote:


Not to mention much higher ELO. In fact there are 3 foreign Zergs ahead of him, why settle for 4th place contestant?

On July 20 2011 01:38 TotalBiscuit wrote:


Your problem is that of false equivalency. You seem to be of the belief that the things I have said about IdrA are as equally reprehensible and non-constructive as what he's said about me.

If you genuinely believe this, I don't know what to tell you, since it has no basis in fact. If you have proof that this is not the case, you are welcome to present it, but you have yet to present any such proof up until this point.

On July 20 2011 01:49 Jonneh wrote:


In fact TB, isn't it a bit like this?

http://twitter.com/#!/Totalbiscuit/status/80795412033835008

(Arn't you gold league tb, and critisizing IdrA's skill/results in your post all the same? Hypocrisy again?)

On July 20 2011 01:49 Jonneh wrote:


I don't see much point in trying to pretend that the argument with idra has nothing to do with why he wasn't invited. I also don't see much point in those of us who are not SC2 pro's debating who the better zergs are.

In fact TB, isn't it a bit like this?

http://twitter.com/#!/Totalbiscuit/status/80795412033835008

(Arn't you gold league tb, and critisizing IdrA's skill/results in your post all the same? Hypocrisy again?)

Should we add iNcontroL to the list of people not getting invited to shoutcraft ever? Because he says you want to make money from your job?! (shocking) Which he did later clarify on his stream and say he probably shouldn't have singled you out and named you btw.

I'm not expecting the world to change overnight here. But you both should really grow up frankly, before it becomes a choice over which of you should be invited to a particular event. Personally I'd like to continue to see you both. I'm sure the fans of each and fans of both like me would hate to have it become an issue.

On July 20 2011 01:52 Jonneh wrote:


"He started it mum". Being the bigger man often means you can take the high road even if you didn't start it or whatever. Bickering about who said the worst things and who started it isn't really my objective here.

You also love to ask for evidence. My evidence of this argument isn't required. You know what you said, and what he said. I'm asking you to put it behind you in spite of what has been said. Chalking up "bm points" between you isn't really the best way to go about that.

On July 20 2011 01:57 tdt wrote:

Math speaks for itself, sorry you don't like it just like Idra doesn't like zerg win % statistics when he whines about imbalances showing quite the contrary. I like quantitative analysis studying to be an accountant not opinion. Beyond that, actions have consequences like not being ivited to a a invitational for being a dickhead. If more would jump on board I bet Idra would manner up real quick like. Good life lesson.

On July 20 2011 01:49 Jonneh wrote:

I don't see much point in trying to pretend that the argument with idra has nothing to do with why he wasn't invited. I also don't see much point in those of us who are not SC2 pro's debating who the better zergs are.

In fact TB, isn't it a bit like this?

http://twitter.com/#!/Totalbiscuit/status/80795412033835008

(Arn't you gold league tb, and critisizing IdrA's skill/results in your post all the same? Hypocrisy again?)

Should we add iNcontroL to the list of people not getting invited to shoutcraft ever? Because he says you want to make money from your job?! (shocking) Which he did later clarify on his stream and say he probably shouldn't have singled you out and named you btw.

I'm not expecting the world to change overnight here. But you both should really grow up frankly, before it becomes a choice over which of you should be invited to a particular event. Personally I'd like to continue to see you both. I'm sure the fans of each and fans of both like me would hate to have it become an issue.

On July 20 2011 02:00 Theonus wrote:


TB didnt say that he didnt invite IdrA due to him being worse than Sheth or Nerchio, he said he THINKS they are both more interesting than IdrA (his opinion). Also, he isnt saying that IdrA insulting him hasnt affected his choice of players but that even if IdrA hadnt done so, he still wouldnt have been invited

Seriously man, its not that hard to understand...

On July 20 2011 02:03 Jonneh wrote:


It sounds like a swipe at idra if you ask me, which is why I bring it up. He's still much more successful than both of the currently invited zergs in terms of results, if not current form. Criticizing idra's current forum when you're a gold league terran (sorry, protoss) player seems like its a little hypocritical when you make the same comparison when he criticizes your casting.

Good point or thinly veiled swipe? Its hard to tell, because we know they don't get on. Maybe if they kissed and made up we'd not have to wonder

On July 20 2011 02:03 Jonneh wrote:

Good point or thinly veiled swipe? Its hard to tell, because we know they don't get on. Maybe if they kissed and made up we'd not have to wonder

On July 20 2011 02:07 wklbishop wrote:


This is funny how you're criticizing TB for criticizing Idra when you state that you have every right to criticize TB.

If you have every right to call TB childish and drag this issue on and on then TB also has every right to say whatever the hell he wants and drag the Idra issue on and on without having to resolve it.

On July 20 2011 02:17 Jonneh wrote:


I'm not really sure its the same thing when my criticism is neutrally offered against both parties, and the argument between the two of these is resulting in idra being excluded from invites and the resulting grudge/drama.

Ideally I'd love to have no posts here still and for this to never have occurred, but things don't change until people say they're unhappy with the situation. Any criticism I level is purely designed to highlight the issue, and I apologise if any of it is taken badly.