EPTSHOUTcraft Invitational 2 - Electric Banelinggoo - Page 19
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Notnap
Sweden10 Posts
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Jonneh
United Kingdom67 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:22 turamn wrote: Critcisim is criticism, whether offered negatively or meant to be constructively. There aren't two definitions of the word in dictionary. There's no grey area. Surely, but there is a motive in each case. There certainly are motive "grey areas", and I make no secret of mine. Confronting an issue which detracts away from my viewing experience, because two personalities are at odds and engaged in verbal sparring. What would you say the motive is in the case of TB and idra? Pride gets my guess. Ego is a powerful motive, I just don't think it is a professional image. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4716 Posts
TB, please give us a sixth player fast, so that this discussion can die. | ||
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Zuemata
1 Post
There is no point to make. There is nothing to argue. TB created the concept of the Shoutcraft Invitational, he funds it, organizes it, casts it. He can invite whoever he wants to. He does not need any reason not to invite a player. That's all there is to it. Either you like the lineup and watch it or you gtfo and make your own tournament or watch another one which appeals to you more. Every person deserves respect. By still beating on the same point every time and ruining this thread for other people who are looking forward to this, you have shown a lack of respect. If this is how Idra fans are, I honestly would rather him being never invited. Please look at all posts. There were maybe 2 people who wanted idra. All the others said they don't care because the people invited are already very good. You aren't speaking for the community and you certainly aren't helping anyone. If anything, Tb will think twice about inviting Idra if it means people like you will be tuning in.Now kindly let us others talk about the players who ARE in. | ||
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Kuub
Canada48 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:33 Malinor wrote: At this point, what could anyone possibly write here that gets this issue any further? Both arguments have now been explained to death, although I have to say that I wholeheartly believe that one side does not even have an argument. We could now start with ad hominem attacks, but other then that, this is only shitting up the thread any further and kills my good mood of reading several pages of happyness that a certain player is included even more. At this point, this thread is not better than a LR-report arguing whether colossuses are imbalanced because they just won a protoss player a game. It is nice that there are so many well-articulated people in here, but there is just nothing left to discuss, you won't convince each other and you guys know it. TB, please give us a sixth player fast, so that this discussion can die. This. I don't think anyone discussing anything in this thread will help the situation. Leave this thread to discussion of the tournament, which is looking really good btw. | ||
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Jonneh
United Kingdom67 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:36 Zuemata wrote: Jonneh, you accuse others of being hyprocrites and being childish, yet here you are, posting over and over, not relenting or acknowledging any valid points a lot of people made. To be brutally honest, your attitude is both disgraceful and appalling. You are doing nothing but attacking a guy (who surely isn't perfect) who is doing his best to create a fun tournament for us and in the progress supports esports and professional players. There is no point to make. There is nothing to argue. TB created the concept of the Shoutcraft Invitational, he funds it, organizes it, casts it. He can invite whoever he wants to. He does not need any reason not to invite a player. That's all there is to it. Either you like the lineup and watch it or you gtfo and make your own tournament or watch another one which appeals to you more. Every person deserves respect. By still beating on the same point every time and ruining this thread for other people who are looking forward to this, you have shown a lack of respect. If this is how Idra fans are, I honestly would rather him being never invited. Please look at all posts. There were maybe 2 people who wanted idra. All the others said they don't care because the people invited are already very good. You aren't speaking for the community and you certainly aren't helping anyone. If anything, Tb will think twice about inviting Idra if it means people like you will be tuning in.Now kindly let us others talk about the players who ARE in. I'm not really sure you've read any of my posts. I haven't posted any attacks, insults or anything of the kind, and I have accepted a great many points from the people posting in reply to me. Beyond that I'm entitled to my opinion and I shall continue to have it and you are welcome to disagree with it. I wouldn't say I'm an "idra fan". I guess so, I like both him and iNcontroL. I watch Tyler too, and I even watch TBs stream as well. I watch a good deal of TB's youtube content as well which has nothing to do with SC2. So trying to portray me as a trolling idra fan boy is pretty far from the truth. If anyone takes away anything from my posts, I hope it is how the argument between the two of them has disrupted the fun of others. That is exactly how I feel. If it is just me who feels that way, then I'm sorry, but as I said before that in no way diminishes my right to express that here. | ||
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FreedomPeacer
Canada67 Posts
On July 20 2011 01:52 Jonneh wrote: "He started it mum". Being the bigger man often means you can take the high road even if you didn't start it or whatever. Bickering about who said the worst things and who started it isn't really my objective here. You also love to ask for evidence. My evidence of this argument isn't required. You know what you said, and what he said. I'm asking you to put it behind you in spite of what has been said. Chalking up "bm points" between you isn't really the best way to go about that. i dont know about you but: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222497 seems alot more constructive than idra's “I was just implying that totalbiscuit sucked, everyone else is cool” and "pretty sure anyone can yell" | ||
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ishboh
United States954 Posts
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Nurmis
Finland81 Posts
 . Sometimes just try to relax and not to respond to trolls & haters.Also whining pages after pages about why my favorite player does not get invited to a invitational tournament = not cool. | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
Anyways onto the tourney, I guess a Terran should be next with 2 Zergs and Protoss being announced. Going to go and say I'd like to see Goody play some, since his passive mech style is unique and actually quite fascinating to watch although he still has some significant holes in his play. | ||
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ruskyandrei
5 Posts
I'll be the first to admit I am a big fan so that is mainly the reason i'm hoping to see his name come up, but I also think that he is very entertaining to watch, sporting a style not many terrans play (certainly bored of the constant MMMMmmmmmmmm...) and with what I feel is a recent considerable improvement in his play (harass oriented mid game working very well with his solid mech play and strong late game pushes), resulting in a solid player who has recently been taking games off of top players | ||
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Jonneh
United Kingdom67 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:45 cosmincontra wrote: i dont know about you but: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222497 seems alot more constructive than idra's “I was just implying that totalbiscuit sucked, everyone else is cool” and "pretty sure anyone can yell" http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/Totalbiscuit/~57gu8 Not sure about you, but the above seems pretty offensive to me. Who cares about the tit-for-tat substance of it? Its two adults who are arguing on the internet. Is there anything more eyerolling? | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
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FreedomPeacer
Canada67 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:52 Jonneh wrote: http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/Totalbiscuit/~57gu8 Not sure about you, but the above seems pretty offensive to me. Who cares about the tit-for-tat substance of it? Its two adults who are arguing on the internet. Is there anything more eyerolling? that tweet by totalbiscuit was idra level, but in the end he backs up his statements. i dont find reasoned arguments and explanations eyerolling, i would actually say that i enjoy them. | ||
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Odawg27
United States191 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:44 Jonneh wrote: If anyone takes away anything from my posts, I hope it is how the argument between the two of them has disrupted the fun of others. That is exactly how I feel. If it is just me who feels that way, then I'm sorry, but as I said before that in no way diminishes my right to express that here. As much as I agree that people have a right to criticize others (fairly at least and that's all another debate). Please re-read this last paragraph from yourself. This argument between the two hasn't disrupted the fun between others until you constantly posted about how you believe TotalBiscuit to be wrong in his handling of the situation. Without going into how I feel about this argument, by constantly posting you have disrupted the fun of others looking forward to what should be an excellent tournament. So please start your own thread to discuss this or just leave this thread alone and do what you yourself want done... stop disrupting our fun. Many thanks TB for doing all this work and giving back to the community it is greatly appreciated. I anticipate another great tournament. | ||
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Overelemental
12 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:44 Jonneh wrote: If anyone takes away anything from my posts, I hope it is how the argument between the two of them has disrupted the fun of others. That is exactly how I feel. If it is just me who feels that way, then I'm sorry, but as I said before that in no way diminishes my right to express that here. Like you have basically ruined the excitement in this thread? | ||
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Jonneh
United Kingdom67 Posts
On July 20 2011 03:02 TotalBiscuit wrote: Sigh, if Jonneh can get over his obsession with me then we can have a decent thread. Speaks volumes that the vast majority of his posts on Teamliquid have been about me. I stand by everything I've said about IdrA, I've been far kinder to him than he's ever been to me and if anything the over-zealous and in some cases, downright crazy nature of certain members of his fanbase proves that his attitude rubs off on others. If I were just interested in the viewcount I might consider him, but as it stands, I'm interested in having a fun event that is as drama-free as possible and focussed on the actual game. Needless to say, a couple of bad apples are trying to derail that before it even begins. Is anyone surprised by that? They shouldn't be, it happens all the time. If you read I did explain to someone earlier why I chose to recently sign up and speak out about the issues surrounding you, mostly because I'm displeased with the baggage you bring with you in terms of drama. It seems like you've collided onto the scene and your ego has come into contact with that of your critics regularly. "Obsession" is a bit strong, I just don't like the current price tag to your participation in SC2 esports, which is that you argue with players and enrage haters who just want you to leave. I'd much rather have you here as a caster who appeals to your audience and doesn't bring out the worst in haters. As you say, a lot of focus on you isn't there? I don't see many posts attacking Day9, dApollo, mrbitter... catspajamas... why is that? Perhaps if you accepted such criticism in a genuine way, or even ignored it completely instead of arguing with people and engaging with haters, you wouldn't bring such drama clattering behind you like the dog with the cans tied to its tail (like I said earlier). So please, do go on sighing and blaming idra "fans" if you like, it really isn't the case here. I watched your youtube channel for a long while before I watched idra's SC2 career (though I watched him in sc1 a bit as well, not as much, I enjoy his sc2 zerg style a lot now more now than his sc1 terran). I was pleased when you took up SC2, but that quickly changed when the criticism some people levelled at your casting style was met with anger on your part. The fact of the matter is this situation is the situation you have instigated and developed between you and the community, and more specifically between you and idra. More particularly your attitude which attracts the ire of your critics. I just believe you'd do well to listen to what I have to say and extend the olive branch instead of dismissing it. Post it here, right now. "Idra, I know we've had our differences but I respect you as a player and would like to put the past behind us. If you're interested in being in shoutcraft 3 then hit me up on twitter or whatever, and even if you don't want to participate.. I wish you well and hope we can act professionally towards each other from now on." Or is there something hard about that for you? Is it pride? You've both earned my respect in your individual fields, and I think it'd go a long way towards earning you the respect of those making these threads and posts which you complain about. User was warned for this post | ||
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WolfgangKies
25 Posts
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Jonneh
United Kingdom67 Posts
On July 20 2011 03:35 WolfgangKies wrote: Enough!! This thread is about the SCI II and not about idra, incontrol or their feelings towards TB or his towards them for that matter; if you still want to post about this ridiculous topic or anything regarding it feel free to open your own fucking thread and see who gives a shit! Stop polluting this one just to get some attention! good god... I'm sure the mods can remove my posts should they think it is off-topic. As I've said a few times now, I believe it is relevant. I welcome the moderation of TL if they do not think so. | ||
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