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On July 16 2011 06:04 NuKedUFirst wrote: Shitty of FXO to basically kick him out. GOM just can't give away code A spots though. Hopefully he'll get picked up by a team. What makes you think that FXO kicked them out? There is no info on that.
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Carn really isn't that great of a player. Yes, I've been aware of him and his journey since the first video, but watching his stream quite a bit and his play, it's mostly nothing stellar. Based on his skill he would probably be a low-mid range EU Terran.
Those citing that he was 1 Bo3 away from qualifying, I'm pretty sure that was just one season and I don't think cArn has ever made the actual final round of a Qualifier (being 1 Bo3 away means 2nd last round). With that he absolutely deserves respect (since all of FXO were comparatively destroyed - HOWEVER, you should take into account that he has played there for almost 9 months, he is much more familiar to Korean play than the others who were there for a week), but I don't think he's ever done anything that even remotely indicates he has some hidden talent just getting unlucky (i.e. DRG).
I applaud his dedication, I don't think there's really anybody out there he could argue he gives his best, but whether or not he deserves "a pity" Code A offer to likely get 0-2'd, I'm skeptical. All other foreigners (Glade, Ret, Huk, Haypro), with the exception for maybe Sheth were given their spot based on some merit of skill. Even then Sheth is at least a "famous" player.
P.S. Yes, he's on a team now: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=242468
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On July 16 2011 06:05 jenzebubble wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 06:04 NuKedUFirst wrote: Shitty of FXO to basically kick him out. GOM just can't give away code A spots though. Hopefully he'll get picked up by a team. That is the thing, they already have just given away Code A spots.
LOL I forgot about that! :p I don't think they should but, however they should increase the Code A prize pool to make it worth competing in.
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On July 16 2011 06:03 jenzebubble wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 05:52 chipmonklord17 wrote:On July 16 2011 05:47 MasterReY wrote:On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good. Being away only one Bo3 from qualifiying for Code A is a result that many other foreigners cant achieve. You have to be good to come that far. And the ones that can are HuK(before he got his invite)/Incontrol/Select/Kiwikaki(?) If I remember correctly, none of those players qualified for Code A.
There are maybe about 10-12 foreigners who could achieve this in nowadays qualifier i guess. It would be really interesting to see cArn in foreign tournaments. He should participate in more online tournaments, then get a team after a few wins and hope that the team provides any money/place to stay in korea or flys him to offline tournaments :D
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On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good. Thing is, he got further than entire FXO team, including Oz and qxc, in the last code A qualifiers. After saying this, I have to ask one thing: Would I be an ass if I ask the definition of "being good" from you? Any definition that puts tgun, slog, moonan in the category "good" would put cArn in the same category easily.
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On July 16 2011 06:08 MasterReY wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 06:03 jenzebubble wrote:On July 16 2011 05:52 chipmonklord17 wrote:On July 16 2011 05:47 MasterReY wrote:On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good. Being away only one Bo3 from qualifiying for Code A is a result that many other foreigners cant achieve. You have to be good to come that far. And the ones that can are HuK(before he got his invite)/Incontrol/Select/Kiwikaki(?) If I remember correctly, none of those players qualified for Code A. There are maybe about 10-12 foreigners who could achieve this in nowadays qualifier i guess. It would be really interesting to see cArn in foreign tournaments. He should participate in more online tournaments, then get a team after a few wins and hope that the team provides any money/place to stay in korea or flys him to offline tournaments :D
I am failing to name, in my head, 10-12 foreigner players that could qualify for Code A at the moment. Do you mean with an extended stay and after multiple attempts? DRG is considered by many to be a very skilled player and even he has had difficulty qualifying for Code A. It's brutal, man.
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Canada1637 Posts
I fully support cArn and I'm truly impressed by his dedication, but I am heavily opposed to these backdoor foreigners into Code A type of deals. I still do not understand why Sheth was given a spot. If GSL wants more foreigners to participate they need to continue developing league exchange programs and possibly rethinking the format of Code A (courage anyone?).
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I remember reading that he was in talks with fOu, but the manager at that time left and the talks fell apart. Unfortunate. I hope he qualifies someday and until then I'll keep watching his stream!
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He is good imo, i watched his stream when he still had a computer. Hes only going to get better if he sticks to it. He should come to the US heh. If the gsl doesn't work out, i hope it does.
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On July 16 2011 06:09 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good. Thing is, he got further than entire FXO team, including Oz and qxc, in the last code A qualifiers. After saying this, I have to ask one thing: Would I be an ass if I ask the definition of "being good" from you? Any definition that puts tgun, slog, moonan in the category "good" would put cArn in the same category easily.
i didnt say he wasnt good i have no clue about that ^^
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hmm the least gom can do is talk to a team to maybe take him in for practice see if he can improve if not, carn could always enter NA tournies, he would win every single one. 10 bucks he would be top 50 gm
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I know this is going to sound harsh but there is more players deserving of a code A spot. Trying hard and making sacrifices shouldn`t be a criteria.
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On July 16 2011 06:09 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good. Thing is, he got further than entire FXO team, including Oz and qxc, in the last code A qualifiers. After saying this, I have to ask one thing: Would I be an ass if I ask the definition of "being good" from you? Any definition that puts tgun, slog, moonan in the category "good" would put cArn in the same category easily. I'll try and make this my last post here, because I don't want to start taking away from the OP and seem like a prick.
GSL Qualifiers: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=234749 cArn never made it to the FINAL round (so those saying Kiwi/Incontrol/Huk all made it to the final round are actually justified in saying they made it further than cArn).
cArn has been in Korea for 9 months, he is much more familiar the Korean aggresion that the other players. Qxc made it as far as cArn in one shot. Also, nobody is saying players like slog and tgun are particularly strong players. As cool a person as slog is, he has one of the worst records in all of starcraft II gaming, with 24% winrate in the international scene (mostly NA tournaments...), tgun has 35%.
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i always knew about carn and how he's at korea, and i also have to say that this story doesn't at all surprise me. I sincerely hope carn does not have to take a forigner seed for code a this season because i believe in carn and i know he can make it. Making code a through qualifiers will let him in a sense, finish what he's started. I also have heard he's gotten closer and closer to making code a recently, i hope carn can do it, he does deserve it. Question @ OP, don't all koreans also go through the same trials and tribulations? sure they don't leave their home country, but they do sacrifice a lot of time with family and friends. (wasn't carn about to join team fou? what happened to that)
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as i sidenote, i think it's pretty hard to make it as a terran foreigner in korea, cause they have the best terrans. If you're a zerg or a protoss you might be able to show up with some stuff they haven't seen yet
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carn is really sacrificing a lot for his dream. i wish him the best of luck, that he will reach his goal and compete in the GSL. I would love to see him streaming again, always enjoyed it!
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On July 16 2011 05:50 jenzebubble wrote: I am a Fracophobe of the highest order. That said, I've casually followed cArn's time in Korea. I applaud his dedication and work ethic. If Sheth can be gifted a Code A spot, why not cArn? Basically this.
cArn is certainly good enough to make a splash in the EU scene if he went back home, but he's stuck to his goal of being the best possible player he can be, no matter the costs. That's something you can't say of Sheth or even Ret/Haypro/TLO/IdrA. If you want someone to root for who doesn't play SC2 for the money, but instead to be as good as they possibly can be, then you should root for cArn.
I don't know if GOM should gift him a Code A spot, but it's aggravating to see others get it above him, and heartbreaking to hear he's been kicked out of the GOM House for FXO.
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you guys do realize carn joined a team earlier this week right? albeit they prob won't sponsor him much at all, but he isn't teamless. esahara i believe the team was
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Sometimes if you work hard and see you just cant do it just give up. Not everyone is Flash. This may sound discouraging but its better for your mental health. There are tons of koreans trying hard as he is and its unfair to them. Best of luck to carn.
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I just wanted to clarify 2 things real quick. cArn was recently picked up by the new sc2 pro team eSahara. So he has a team and won't be joining FXO or any Korean team.
Also Sheth did not get his spot from code A qualifiers, and he was invited for his performance at MLG however this invitation was separate from the GSL-MLG exchange program. I believe the invitation was extended not only based on his MLG performance but also on the fact that FXO had already decided to move to Korea for GSTL and thus Sheth would be in the country already.
Hope that clears up some confusion, continue Discussion. My two bits, I think cArn has a lot of guts and clear determination, although I think it would be unlikely and unwise of gom to invite him to code A, I do sincerely hope that he manages to get through the qualifier before he returns to France in September.
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