EPTcArn : Road to the GSL - Page 6
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Stark1
Canada120 Posts
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
Also code A is crazy skill level, and carn is an amazing player. | ||
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Mr Tambourine Man
Netherlands190 Posts
On July 16 2011 06:35 rafaliusz wrote: I see nothing wrong in giving a Code A spot to a skilled foreigner considering that in every big foreign tournament shitloads of koreans get free seeds. There is a difference there, in that those invites are not for people who failed in the qualifiers. But that is actually beside the point; I'm saying look at it from the perspective of carn. He dedicated himself to reaching a goal by working hard and is actually close to getting there. I just don't think he'll appreciate a free ticket like that. Consider he does take the free-ticket into the code A, considering his gradual improvement, it is quite likely he won't stay in there, seeing as he'll be facing off against people who have beaten him before. And then what? He will only feel loss, no sense of accomplishment and won't get another free ticket. But if we just support him as much as we can and he manages to make it into code A, then even if he get's knocked out, he knows he has made it on his strength and can reach it again. I am all for supporting him and I really think he has what it takes to make it! but this is not the way. cArn Fighting!! | ||
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Thezzphai
Germany1145 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
 Plus gom letting carn stay in the house was a privilege and not a right for carn. Maybe they'll let him back in once fxo leaves since only naniwa, thorzain and sase will be using it after that. | ||
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Benkestok
Denmark63 Posts
Take Huk, he was a noob to, decided he wanted to be pro, and went from scrub to TL member to Code S. In my honest oppenion, just taking a blind shot going to Korea, might seem brave to some, but to me it seems stupid. Im all for being a Knight of Fortune, and a brave soul, and all that. But going to Korea, being a SC2 noob, low funds, no team, thats seems extremly reckless. He made a giant gamble, and it seems, that it didnt work out, which would be the logical outcome. | ||
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
On July 16 2011 06:21 Jibba wrote: Basically this. cArn is certainly good enough to make a splash in the EU scene if he went back home, but he's stuck to his goal of being the best possible player he can be, no matter the costs. That's something you can't say of Sheth or even Ret/Haypro/TLO/IdrA. If you want someone to root for who doesn't play SC2 for the money, but instead to be as good as they possibly can be, then you should root for cArn. I don't know if GOM should gift him a Code A spot, but it's aggravating to see others get it above him, and heartbreaking to hear he's been kicked out of the GOM House for FXO. Exactly my thoughts, guys that can't stay 1 month in a country gets a free spot to finally escape like a coward, on the other hand cArn has been there since 9 months dedicating everything and people feel like that it would be unfair ? I'm sorry but I support dedicated people giving their all to achieve their dreams. Not guys that take the easy way or escape difficulty, or even worse blame a whole server for a tournament loss. | ||
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Waking
United States46 Posts
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
I would do the exact same thing as cArn if I had the money to support myself like that. Huge props to cArn, and if I were cArn I wouldn't take the free-spot because it would feel like I didn't earn it. If cArn made it that far in the qualifiers then his obviously nearly there, I'd love to see him in the next qualifiers if Artosis could film him a little <3 | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On July 16 2011 06:46 Stark1 wrote: Saw him play recently in the Korean weekly tourney, and he was utter garbage. There's a good reason no one has mentioned him in the what, 9 months he's been there? Any reasonable person would have packed up and gone home to play in Euro tourneys long ago. He has played Tassadar and Puzzle in those tournaments, two of the hottest Protoss' in Korea, and both current Code A finalists. Judging him off those games is far from fair. | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On July 16 2011 07:03 godemperor wrote: cArn should come back to europe, he will definitely cause some damage. You could even say he might cause some.../puts on sunglasses  ...cArnage in europe. | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On July 16 2011 07:03 godemperor wrote: cArn should come back to europe, he will definitely cause some damage. And give up the last 9 months worth of struggling, effort and training just to give up and go to the 'easier' scene so he can actually make results? He wants to be one of the best - and I think he'll get there. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On July 16 2011 07:05 {ToT}ColmA wrote: carn is not a good player, people who deserve it will get a spot, he doesnt, i dont wanna see bad players in code a/s, my eyes have suffert enough in the open seasons I wouldn't go as far as calling him a bad player, but yeah there are more deserving players. | ||
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tyles
United Kingdom509 Posts
On July 16 2011 07:04 Canucklehead wrote: You could even say he might cause some.../puts on sunglasses ...cArnage in europe. I lol'd. No but seriously, I have watched cArns stream and he is a good player, I don't think he should be given Code A due to this tale of events, but the idea that his been kicked out of GOM House is rather sad  | ||
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ptbl
United States6074 Posts
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
On a side note : Stop praising him, stupidity (yes it's stupid and selfish to leave your friends and your family behind to pursue your dream) should not be encourage. We don't need martyr, we need models. Being reckless and failing or being reckless and being offered a Coda A spot isn't what the scene needs. It needs more partnership, more joint trainings and more regional qualifiers. | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On July 16 2011 06:52 Benkestok wrote: To be honest, if he was that good, he would have been picked up, or we would have heard of some results. Take Naniwa forexample, i hadnt heard about him at all, and it seemed not many others did. He showed results, and see him now, in Korea fighting. Take Huk, he was a noob to, decided he wanted to be pro, and went from scrub to TL member to Code S. he spent all his time in korea, and there sure are a ton of people in korea I'm sure people have never heard of that are better than almost all the foreigners--this was true in brood war where top foreigners were only maybe practice-partner equivalents and it will be true soon for for every foreigner that doesn't adopt a really heavy practice regiment. Huk and Naniwa showed success outside korea (I am talking about pre-Korea huk here), where carn hasn't been participating at all. You can't really use that as a comparison, since a no-name korean practice partner could really have the skill of our mid-to-top foreigners; we just don't get a chance to see them. I do agree with the rest of your post though about just going out to korea being stupid since the talent is so high there, unless the goal was to just get better and not post results. I don't know how good carn is but in the brackets for the iccup/nationvoice korean weekly he has advanced through kyrix (week 5) and im.happy (week 1). Don't know if those were no-shows or w/e but those would be impressive results if he had actually won those games. I think he said he was moving back to france in september; I hope he has some success in europe just for his sake. I wish him luck. edit- As for code A spots, I don't think they should be given to foreigners really at all (except maybe top place finisher at MLG or 1 spot) for the exact same reasons as what I posted above--there are so many koreans out there that are more skilled/train harder than top foreigners. Hell, even MMA and DRG will be in the code A qualifiers next time. Foreigners should earn results, not be given code A. If cArn was just given a code A spot for his "hard work", that just takes another spot away from someone like MMA or DRG. | ||
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