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On July 21 2011 01:30 Odyssey wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 23:09 Ftrunkz wrote:I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community. I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA. I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task. However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA. After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right. I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community. I don't understand post like this. I guess you think your clever for putting down someone who is attempting to do something great. Failure is a possibility but why wouldn't we rally around him and give him support. I don't know if it's jealousy or spite or maybe even just straight up trolling for trolling sake. You really should be ashamed of your self for shit like this. I mean he could be at home living with his mom watching dragonball Z right ftrunkz? Then he can make post in topics about players that people actually care about and get attention. A man should not be put down for attempting something that you can't understand. Everyone stating the obvious that ya 1 in 1000 or its impossible should get a life. If everyone had that mentality we would accomplish nothing. If you don't like him fine. You shouldn't attempt to make him look like an idiot though. If everyone was like the haters all over this site no one would be in Korea trying to get it done. Your the man Carn. I havn't seen you stream or anything but I know for a fact everyone that has posted in this thread even the "pro's" could learn a thing or two from you. Keep going till you can't go anymore that way when your older you don't have to look back and be disappointed in your self for not trying. Save that for the haters. Times change my friend. If this were still BW you would be praised and rooted for by the entire community. Flash forward to sc2 and the "community" and it's not the same anymore but know that most of us are rooting for you.
The point of my post was to show just how ridiculous what he did was, he doesn't deserve any sort of special treatment or support from the community for doing something so absurdly stupid and having the result that was obvious to everyone from the beginning. Failure wasn't a possibility, it was assured. There was literally NO reason to go to korea for him. He obviously wasn't good enough when he went to have a snowballs chance in hell of qualifying for GSL at that point, and korea had NOTHING to offer him in terms of training environment at that point (he had no korean account and knew no one over there... so basically he just practiced on EU with a worse ping than he would've had at home and had to play out of PC bangs...????). Believe me when i say there is no jealousy on my end.
I guess you are right in that I 100% cannot fathom the thought process that went behind his move to korea, maybe it was just pure ridiculous arrogance thinking he'd be naturally talented enough to pick up a gaming genre most others have been playing for years at a competitive level and instantly become world-class at it, maybe he thought he'd rock up to korea and instantly have access to a korean pro-gamer house to train with them, who the hell knows, but if he actually expected to get more out of his trip to korea than just playing at home with the set-up this post makes out he had, he actually made it harder on himself to become a pro-gamer. Living at home in his mum's basement watching dragon ball Z would've been a more productive use of his time.
Since you obviously didn't get the point behind my basketball analogy and then went on to use a completely incorrect broodwar one, let me paint you another picture, If some guy who in 2009 who had been playing broodwar for 2 months who no one had heard of before and was D+ on iCCup threw away everything in his life to go to korea knowing no one over there just to play iCCup out of korean net cafes and then rock up to courage every month just to get absolutely rofl stomped, the community would not have backed him, they would've laughed at him. Hell half the community laughed at people like idra/ret who couldn't make it through courage and they were the foreigners only hopes back then.
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On July 21 2011 08:20 Ftrunkz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 01:30 Odyssey wrote:On July 20 2011 23:09 Ftrunkz wrote:I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community. I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA. I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task. However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA. After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right. I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community. I don't understand post like this. I guess you think your clever for putting down someone who is attempting to do something great. Failure is a possibility but why wouldn't we rally around him and give him support. I don't know if it's jealousy or spite or maybe even just straight up trolling for trolling sake. You really should be ashamed of your self for shit like this. I mean he could be at home living with his mom watching dragonball Z right ftrunkz? Then he can make post in topics about players that people actually care about and get attention. A man should not be put down for attempting something that you can't understand. Everyone stating the obvious that ya 1 in 1000 or its impossible should get a life. If everyone had that mentality we would accomplish nothing. If you don't like him fine. You shouldn't attempt to make him look like an idiot though. If everyone was like the haters all over this site no one would be in Korea trying to get it done. Your the man Carn. I havn't seen you stream or anything but I know for a fact everyone that has posted in this thread even the "pro's" could learn a thing or two from you. Keep going till you can't go anymore that way when your older you don't have to look back and be disappointed in your self for not trying. Save that for the haters. Times change my friend. If this were still BW you would be praised and rooted for by the entire community. Flash forward to sc2 and the "community" and it's not the same anymore but know that most of us are rooting for you. The point of my post was to show just how ridiculous what he did was, he doesn't deserve any sort of special treatment or support from the community for doing something so absurdly stupid and having the result that was obvious to everyone from the beginning. Failure wasn't a possibility, it was assured. There was literally NO reason to go to korea for him. He obviously wasn't good enough when he went to have a snowballs chance in hell of qualifying for GSL at that point, and korea had NOTHING to offer him in terms of training environment at that point (he had no korean account and knew no one over there... so basically he just practiced on EU with a worse ping than he would've had at home and had to play out of PC bangs...????). Believe me when i say there is no jealousy on my end. I guess you are right in that I 100% cannot fathom the thought process that went behind his move to korea, maybe it was just pure ridiculous arrogance thinking he'd be naturally talented enough to pick up a gaming genre most others have been playing for years at a competitive level and instantly become world-class at it, maybe he thought he'd rock up to korea and instantly have access to a korean pro-gamer house to train with them, who the hell knows, but if he actually expected to get more out of his trip to korea than just playing at home with the set-up this post makes out he had, he actually made it harder on himself to become a pro-gamer. Living at home in his mum's basement watching dragon ball Z would've been a more productive use of his time. Since you obviously didn't get the point behind my basketball analogy and then went on to use a completely incorrect broodwar one, let me paint you another picture, If some guy who in 2009 who had been playing broodwar for 2 months who no one had heard of before and was D+ on iCCup threw away everything in his life to go to korea knowing no one over there just to play iCCup out of korean net cafes and then rock up to courage every month just to get absolutely rofl stomped, the community would not have backed him, they would've laughed at him. Hell half the community laughed at people like idra/ret who couldn't make it through courage and they were the foreigners only hopes back then.
Except he almost qualified for code A, he is capable of participating in Korea. Saying he has absolutely no chance is completely ignoring what he has already achieved. If he has progressed this much and has had no previous RTS experience, I would expect him to continue to improve and will succeed in the near future hopefully.
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On July 21 2011 08:20 Ftrunkz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 01:30 Odyssey wrote:On July 20 2011 23:09 Ftrunkz wrote:I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community. I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA. I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task. However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA. After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right. I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community. I don't understand post like this. I guess you think your clever for putting down someone who is attempting to do something great. Failure is a possibility but why wouldn't we rally around him and give him support. I don't know if it's jealousy or spite or maybe even just straight up trolling for trolling sake. You really should be ashamed of your self for shit like this. I mean he could be at home living with his mom watching dragonball Z right ftrunkz? Then he can make post in topics about players that people actually care about and get attention. A man should not be put down for attempting something that you can't understand. Everyone stating the obvious that ya 1 in 1000 or its impossible should get a life. If everyone had that mentality we would accomplish nothing. If you don't like him fine. You shouldn't attempt to make him look like an idiot though. If everyone was like the haters all over this site no one would be in Korea trying to get it done. Your the man Carn. I havn't seen you stream or anything but I know for a fact everyone that has posted in this thread even the "pro's" could learn a thing or two from you. Keep going till you can't go anymore that way when your older you don't have to look back and be disappointed in your self for not trying. Save that for the haters. Times change my friend. If this were still BW you would be praised and rooted for by the entire community. Flash forward to sc2 and the "community" and it's not the same anymore but know that most of us are rooting for you. The point of my post was to show just how ridiculous what he did was, he doesn't deserve any sort of special treatment or support from the community for doing something so absurdly stupid and having the result that was obvious to everyone from the beginning. Failure wasn't a possibility, it was assured. There was literally NO reason to go to korea for him. He obviously wasn't good enough when he went to have a snowballs chance in hell of qualifying for GSL at that point, and korea had NOTHING to offer him in terms of training environment at that point (he had no korean account and knew no one over there... so basically he just practiced on EU with a worse ping than he would've had at home and had to play out of PC bangs...????). Believe me when i say there is no jealousy on my end. I guess you are right in that I 100% cannot fathom the thought process that went behind his move to korea, maybe it was just pure ridiculous arrogance thinking he'd be naturally talented enough to pick up a gaming genre most others have been playing for years at a competitive level and instantly become world-class at it, maybe he thought he'd rock up to korea and instantly have access to a korean pro-gamer house to train with them, who the hell knows, but if he actually expected to get more out of his trip to korea than just playing at home with the set-up this post makes out he had, he actually made it harder on himself to become a pro-gamer. Living at home in his mum's basement watching dragon ball Z would've been a more productive use of his time. Since you obviously didn't get the point behind my basketball analogy and then went on to use a completely incorrect broodwar one, let me paint you another picture, If some guy who in 2009 who had been playing broodwar for 2 months who no one had heard of before and was D+ on iCCup threw away everything in his life to go to korea knowing no one over there just to play iCCup out of korean net cafes and then rock up to courage every month just to get absolutely rofl stomped, the community would not have backed him, they would've laughed at him. Hell half the community laughed at people like idra/ret who couldn't make it through courage and they were the foreigners only hopes back then.
So many keyboard warriors spending too much time typing out paragraphs worth of arguments about the future of some guy they've never met...
This is really sad. /facepalm
What the hell TL?
Im gonna get some air.
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On July 21 2011 09:45 Jojo131 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 08:20 Ftrunkz wrote:On July 21 2011 01:30 Odyssey wrote:On July 20 2011 23:09 Ftrunkz wrote:I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community. I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA. I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task. However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA. After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right. I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community. I don't understand post like this. I guess you think your clever for putting down someone who is attempting to do something great. Failure is a possibility but why wouldn't we rally around him and give him support. I don't know if it's jealousy or spite or maybe even just straight up trolling for trolling sake. You really should be ashamed of your self for shit like this. I mean he could be at home living with his mom watching dragonball Z right ftrunkz? Then he can make post in topics about players that people actually care about and get attention. A man should not be put down for attempting something that you can't understand. Everyone stating the obvious that ya 1 in 1000 or its impossible should get a life. If everyone had that mentality we would accomplish nothing. If you don't like him fine. You shouldn't attempt to make him look like an idiot though. If everyone was like the haters all over this site no one would be in Korea trying to get it done. Your the man Carn. I havn't seen you stream or anything but I know for a fact everyone that has posted in this thread even the "pro's" could learn a thing or two from you. Keep going till you can't go anymore that way when your older you don't have to look back and be disappointed in your self for not trying. Save that for the haters. Times change my friend. If this were still BW you would be praised and rooted for by the entire community. Flash forward to sc2 and the "community" and it's not the same anymore but know that most of us are rooting for you. The point of my post was to show just how ridiculous what he did was, he doesn't deserve any sort of special treatment or support from the community for doing something so absurdly stupid and having the result that was obvious to everyone from the beginning. Failure wasn't a possibility, it was assured. There was literally NO reason to go to korea for him. He obviously wasn't good enough when he went to have a snowballs chance in hell of qualifying for GSL at that point, and korea had NOTHING to offer him in terms of training environment at that point (he had no korean account and knew no one over there... so basically he just practiced on EU with a worse ping than he would've had at home and had to play out of PC bangs...????). Believe me when i say there is no jealousy on my end. I guess you are right in that I 100% cannot fathom the thought process that went behind his move to korea, maybe it was just pure ridiculous arrogance thinking he'd be naturally talented enough to pick up a gaming genre most others have been playing for years at a competitive level and instantly become world-class at it, maybe he thought he'd rock up to korea and instantly have access to a korean pro-gamer house to train with them, who the hell knows, but if he actually expected to get more out of his trip to korea than just playing at home with the set-up this post makes out he had, he actually made it harder on himself to become a pro-gamer. Living at home in his mum's basement watching dragon ball Z would've been a more productive use of his time. Since you obviously didn't get the point behind my basketball analogy and then went on to use a completely incorrect broodwar one, let me paint you another picture, If some guy who in 2009 who had been playing broodwar for 2 months who no one had heard of before and was D+ on iCCup threw away everything in his life to go to korea knowing no one over there just to play iCCup out of korean net cafes and then rock up to courage every month just to get absolutely rofl stomped, the community would not have backed him, they would've laughed at him. Hell half the community laughed at people like idra/ret who couldn't make it through courage and they were the foreigners only hopes back then. So many keyboard warriors spending too much time typing out paragraphs worth of arguments about the future of some guy they've never met... This is really sad. /facepalm What the hell TL? Im gonna get some air.
People typing well structured posts with subject matter directly related to the topic created?
MY GOD.
WHAT HAS TEAMLIQUID COME TO???
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On July 21 2011 10:54 Ftrunkz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 09:45 Jojo131 wrote:On July 21 2011 08:20 Ftrunkz wrote:On July 21 2011 01:30 Odyssey wrote:On July 20 2011 23:09 Ftrunkz wrote:I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community. I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA. I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task. However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA. After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right. I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community. I don't understand post like this. I guess you think your clever for putting down someone who is attempting to do something great. Failure is a possibility but why wouldn't we rally around him and give him support. I don't know if it's jealousy or spite or maybe even just straight up trolling for trolling sake. You really should be ashamed of your self for shit like this. I mean he could be at home living with his mom watching dragonball Z right ftrunkz? Then he can make post in topics about players that people actually care about and get attention. A man should not be put down for attempting something that you can't understand. Everyone stating the obvious that ya 1 in 1000 or its impossible should get a life. If everyone had that mentality we would accomplish nothing. If you don't like him fine. You shouldn't attempt to make him look like an idiot though. If everyone was like the haters all over this site no one would be in Korea trying to get it done. Your the man Carn. I havn't seen you stream or anything but I know for a fact everyone that has posted in this thread even the "pro's" could learn a thing or two from you. Keep going till you can't go anymore that way when your older you don't have to look back and be disappointed in your self for not trying. Save that for the haters. Times change my friend. If this were still BW you would be praised and rooted for by the entire community. Flash forward to sc2 and the "community" and it's not the same anymore but know that most of us are rooting for you. The point of my post was to show just how ridiculous what he did was, he doesn't deserve any sort of special treatment or support from the community for doing something so absurdly stupid and having the result that was obvious to everyone from the beginning. Failure wasn't a possibility, it was assured. There was literally NO reason to go to korea for him. He obviously wasn't good enough when he went to have a snowballs chance in hell of qualifying for GSL at that point, and korea had NOTHING to offer him in terms of training environment at that point (he had no korean account and knew no one over there... so basically he just practiced on EU with a worse ping than he would've had at home and had to play out of PC bangs...????). Believe me when i say there is no jealousy on my end. I guess you are right in that I 100% cannot fathom the thought process that went behind his move to korea, maybe it was just pure ridiculous arrogance thinking he'd be naturally talented enough to pick up a gaming genre most others have been playing for years at a competitive level and instantly become world-class at it, maybe he thought he'd rock up to korea and instantly have access to a korean pro-gamer house to train with them, who the hell knows, but if he actually expected to get more out of his trip to korea than just playing at home with the set-up this post makes out he had, he actually made it harder on himself to become a pro-gamer. Living at home in his mum's basement watching dragon ball Z would've been a more productive use of his time. Since you obviously didn't get the point behind my basketball analogy and then went on to use a completely incorrect broodwar one, let me paint you another picture, If some guy who in 2009 who had been playing broodwar for 2 months who no one had heard of before and was D+ on iCCup threw away everything in his life to go to korea knowing no one over there just to play iCCup out of korean net cafes and then rock up to courage every month just to get absolutely rofl stomped, the community would not have backed him, they would've laughed at him. Hell half the community laughed at people like idra/ret who couldn't make it through courage and they were the foreigners only hopes back then. So many keyboard warriors spending too much time typing out paragraphs worth of arguments about the future of some guy they've never met... This is really sad. /facepalm What the hell TL? Im gonna get some air. People typing well structured posts with subject matter directly related to the topic created? MY GOD. WHAT HAS TEAMLIQUID COME TO???
Based on how far he made it in the qualifiers, your in comparing him to a D+ player is ridiculous and plain wrong. He made it farther than any other foreigner in the code A qualifiers; thats RESULTS. If you don't agree then you would have to laugh at every foreigner that went to Korea like "half the community". Your post is a well structured, negative pile of ignorant hateful opinions.
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TeamLiquid is not the place for overly nice responses to even the most stupid arguments. Ftrunkz is completely right in with his point in my opinion. cArn did something extremely ambitious and hasn't worked out so far. Tough luck. GOM have no reason to reason to give him a Code A spot, but taking away his spot in the foreigner house seems like a weird decision by them. But that doesn't seem to be the focus of the argument.
Calling a person sad because he has an opinion that differs from yours is extremely arrogant and inappropriate in a forum. "What the hell TL" indeed.
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hey ftrunkz i can't believe you moved to play basketball in the US when you haven't played before, you will never make it lol
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On July 21 2011 09:13 Willba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 08:20 Ftrunkz wrote:On July 21 2011 01:30 Odyssey wrote:On July 20 2011 23:09 Ftrunkz wrote:I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community. I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA. I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task. However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA. After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right. I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community. I don't understand post like this. I guess you think your clever for putting down someone who is attempting to do something great. Failure is a possibility but why wouldn't we rally around him and give him support. I don't know if it's jealousy or spite or maybe even just straight up trolling for trolling sake. You really should be ashamed of your self for shit like this. I mean he could be at home living with his mom watching dragonball Z right ftrunkz? Then he can make post in topics about players that people actually care about and get attention. A man should not be put down for attempting something that you can't understand. Everyone stating the obvious that ya 1 in 1000 or its impossible should get a life. If everyone had that mentality we would accomplish nothing. If you don't like him fine. You shouldn't attempt to make him look like an idiot though. If everyone was like the haters all over this site no one would be in Korea trying to get it done. Your the man Carn. I havn't seen you stream or anything but I know for a fact everyone that has posted in this thread even the "pro's" could learn a thing or two from you. Keep going till you can't go anymore that way when your older you don't have to look back and be disappointed in your self for not trying. Save that for the haters. Times change my friend. If this were still BW you would be praised and rooted for by the entire community. Flash forward to sc2 and the "community" and it's not the same anymore but know that most of us are rooting for you. The point of my post was to show just how ridiculous what he did was, he doesn't deserve any sort of special treatment or support from the community for doing something so absurdly stupid and having the result that was obvious to everyone from the beginning. Failure wasn't a possibility, it was assured. There was literally NO reason to go to korea for him. He obviously wasn't good enough when he went to have a snowballs chance in hell of qualifying for GSL at that point, and korea had NOTHING to offer him in terms of training environment at that point (he had no korean account and knew no one over there... so basically he just practiced on EU with a worse ping than he would've had at home and had to play out of PC bangs...????). Believe me when i say there is no jealousy on my end. I guess you are right in that I 100% cannot fathom the thought process that went behind his move to korea, maybe it was just pure ridiculous arrogance thinking he'd be naturally talented enough to pick up a gaming genre most others have been playing for years at a competitive level and instantly become world-class at it, maybe he thought he'd rock up to korea and instantly have access to a korean pro-gamer house to train with them, who the hell knows, but if he actually expected to get more out of his trip to korea than just playing at home with the set-up this post makes out he had, he actually made it harder on himself to become a pro-gamer. Living at home in his mum's basement watching dragon ball Z would've been a more productive use of his time. Since you obviously didn't get the point behind my basketball analogy and then went on to use a completely incorrect broodwar one, let me paint you another picture, If some guy who in 2009 who had been playing broodwar for 2 months who no one had heard of before and was D+ on iCCup threw away everything in his life to go to korea knowing no one over there just to play iCCup out of korean net cafes and then rock up to courage every month just to get absolutely rofl stomped, the community would not have backed him, they would've laughed at him. Hell half the community laughed at people like idra/ret who couldn't make it through courage and they were the foreigners only hopes back then. Except he almost qualified for code A,
That is not correct, Carn only won round 2, he was in fact 2 bo3 from qualifying Code A, unlike what OP said. QXC got as far as carn into the qualifiers, so he did not get the furthest either. there are many incorrect statements in the OP.
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On July 21 2011 11:03 zJayy962 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 10:54 Ftrunkz wrote:On July 21 2011 09:45 Jojo131 wrote:On July 21 2011 08:20 Ftrunkz wrote:On July 21 2011 01:30 Odyssey wrote:On July 20 2011 23:09 Ftrunkz wrote:I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community. I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA. I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task. However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA. After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right. I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community. I don't understand post like this. I guess you think your clever for putting down someone who is attempting to do something great. Failure is a possibility but why wouldn't we rally around him and give him support. I don't know if it's jealousy or spite or maybe even just straight up trolling for trolling sake. You really should be ashamed of your self for shit like this. I mean he could be at home living with his mom watching dragonball Z right ftrunkz? Then he can make post in topics about players that people actually care about and get attention. A man should not be put down for attempting something that you can't understand. Everyone stating the obvious that ya 1 in 1000 or its impossible should get a life. If everyone had that mentality we would accomplish nothing. If you don't like him fine. You shouldn't attempt to make him look like an idiot though. If everyone was like the haters all over this site no one would be in Korea trying to get it done. Your the man Carn. I havn't seen you stream or anything but I know for a fact everyone that has posted in this thread even the "pro's" could learn a thing or two from you. Keep going till you can't go anymore that way when your older you don't have to look back and be disappointed in your self for not trying. Save that for the haters. Times change my friend. If this were still BW you would be praised and rooted for by the entire community. Flash forward to sc2 and the "community" and it's not the same anymore but know that most of us are rooting for you. The point of my post was to show just how ridiculous what he did was, he doesn't deserve any sort of special treatment or support from the community for doing something so absurdly stupid and having the result that was obvious to everyone from the beginning. Failure wasn't a possibility, it was assured. There was literally NO reason to go to korea for him. He obviously wasn't good enough when he went to have a snowballs chance in hell of qualifying for GSL at that point, and korea had NOTHING to offer him in terms of training environment at that point (he had no korean account and knew no one over there... so basically he just practiced on EU with a worse ping than he would've had at home and had to play out of PC bangs...????). Believe me when i say there is no jealousy on my end. I guess you are right in that I 100% cannot fathom the thought process that went behind his move to korea, maybe it was just pure ridiculous arrogance thinking he'd be naturally talented enough to pick up a gaming genre most others have been playing for years at a competitive level and instantly become world-class at it, maybe he thought he'd rock up to korea and instantly have access to a korean pro-gamer house to train with them, who the hell knows, but if he actually expected to get more out of his trip to korea than just playing at home with the set-up this post makes out he had, he actually made it harder on himself to become a pro-gamer. Living at home in his mum's basement watching dragon ball Z would've been a more productive use of his time. Since you obviously didn't get the point behind my basketball analogy and then went on to use a completely incorrect broodwar one, let me paint you another picture, If some guy who in 2009 who had been playing broodwar for 2 months who no one had heard of before and was D+ on iCCup threw away everything in his life to go to korea knowing no one over there just to play iCCup out of korean net cafes and then rock up to courage every month just to get absolutely rofl stomped, the community would not have backed him, they would've laughed at him. Hell half the community laughed at people like idra/ret who couldn't make it through courage and they were the foreigners only hopes back then. So many keyboard warriors spending too much time typing out paragraphs worth of arguments about the future of some guy they've never met... This is really sad. /facepalm What the hell TL? Im gonna get some air. People typing well structured posts with subject matter directly related to the topic created? MY GOD. WHAT HAS TEAMLIQUID COME TO??? Based on how far he made it in the qualifiers, your in comparing him to a D+ player is ridiculous and plain wrong. He made it farther than any other foreigner in the code A qualifiers; thats RESULTS. If you don't agree then you would have to laugh at every foreigner that went to Korea like "half the community". Your post is a well structured, negative pile of ignorant hateful opinions.
I compared him to D+ when he first went over, not right now, which i think is more than fair considering iirc he wasnt even in the top division back then.
I think if people are going to go countering my argument with "BUT HES GETTING RESULTS" they need some better evidence than him winning 2 bo3's against opponents we have no idea if they were even better than low level masters on kr (which, whilst decent, are by no means amazing). And if you search for more i think you'll find he's struggled in every other tournament he's played, including quite a few tournaments on the SEA server.
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On July 21 2011 11:05 mnck wrote:
TeamLiquid is not the place for overly nice responses to even the most stupid arguments. Ftrunkz is completely right in with his point in my opinion. cArn did something extremely ambitious and hasn't worked out so far. Tough luck. GOM have no reason to reason to give him a Code A spot, but taking away his spot in the foreigner house seems like a weird decision by them. But that doesn't seem to be the focus of the argument.
Calling a person sad because he has an opinion that differs from yours is extremely arrogant and inappropriate in a forum. "What the hell TL" indeed.
I was the first to probably make the reference to an NBA example just to simply show that effort shouldn't result into something guaranteed; you have to earn it. But the way Ftrunkz words things comes off to be very jerk-like.
It wasn't cArn who requested a spot in GSL. Even if he has a low chance of getting in the GSL, a lot of people feel it is admirable he is trying the unthinkable by some. Ftrunkz just straight puts cArn down like he's the dumbest guy in the world for doing something like this.
Yeah he's not in the GSL atm but he's living life and doing what he enjoys that keeps him happy. He's experiencing another culture in terms of Korea and the sub-culture of competitive gaming. I don't think his long term goal is to become a bonjwa or anything. For some, people look back at their lives and wish they did a bit more traveling or be more exposed to many more cultures.
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