I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community.
Wow, I knew cArn was in Korea, but I didn't know he was so close to Code A and still there. I wish we could help in some way. A foreigner spot in Code A might be a little too much because he didn't produce results, but he should get in a team or something.
Thats a really good idea /sarcasm. Not to be mean, but I'd rather GOM give the spot to someone deserving rather than someone out of pity. I'd much much much rather see DRG in Code A (A ZERG that is one of the best players in the world) than Carn (A TERRAN). Just because he's a foreigner, doesn't mean he should get a spot in Code A.
Wow, i didn't know this about carn. All i knew was that he played on the korean ladder and that he was streaming. Nice read (Altough, it was a big wall of text in the middle there)
he doesn't deserve a spot in Code A but I definitely believe they should try to make room for him in the foreigner house, even if he slept on the floor in a sleeping bag. He deserves another shot and I hope he dosen't return to France. I hope the outcome was worth it for him though.
I remember seeing a video with carn a long time ago, shocked he's still there plugging away after all this time.
maybe FXOBoss can help him by letting him stay in the GOM house with the rest of the team? He seems like a cool enough guy, I'm sure he could work it out.
Heard his name a few times, i think he's just not incredibly well known and that definitely hurts his chances for code a seed. I think it was already quite incredible of Gom to offer him a place at the gom house while its was vacant.
This is an incredible story though and I will definitely be rooting for him and watching for his name. If I were you, i'd say the best way to help him is to try and get his name noticed in anyway possible. this thread definitely made me aware of him. Maybe post a replay so I can have reason to root fort him
On July 16 2011 05:44 kcaz wrote: Thats a really good idea /sarcasm. Not to be mean, but I'd rather GOM give the spot to someone deserving rather than someone out of pity. I'd much much much rather see DRG in Code A (A ZERG that is one of the best players in the world) than Carn (A TERRAN). Just because he's a foreigner, doesn't mean he should get a spot in Code A.
what does the players race have to do with anything??..
Sometimes you have to give it all up and try to realize it may not be for you. If he hasn't gotten trough yet, I am very sorry for that and hope he gets trough on the next try I really do. But offering him a spot, feels just not the correct thing to do. I wish this becomes the cinderella story and he gets into code A and gets in to code S as well, and from there on gets a team and so forth.
But well. dont know, just wishing him luck is all we can do really.
I didn't know he made it that far in the last qualifyers, it must have been heartbreaking to loose so close from his goal. However, despite all his effort I don't see why Gom would offer him a code A spot over people like DRG , PUMA etc. You could say that it's unfair because some "less deserving" foreigners can get code A spots through code A ... Well I guess there is a bit of truth in that, but GOM has good reasons for that ( give some incentives for foreign players to come and play in Korea), but it's not the same as giving a code A spot who failed to qualify.. I hope Carn will make it though! Too bad you couldn't enter in a team , I know Slayers was scouting for foreign players, i guess i didn't work out as well.
I am a Fracophobe of the highest order. That said, I've casually followed cArn's time in Korea. I applaud his dedication and work ethic. If Sheth can be gifted a Code A spot, why not cArn?
perhaps he can move back to france, do well in tournies there (he definitely will) then try to get invited to Code A, since after all GOM knows what carn has sacrificed to try to qualify for code a
I feel like carn should've participated in many more online tournaments in the last 9 months to maybe get recognized and get a team. Then he could've flew out to international events and still do GSL (which he clearly wants to do) like many Koreans do.
I don't think he should've put all his eggs in one basket.
On July 16 2011 05:47 amazingoopah wrote: I remember seeing a video with carn a long time ago, shocked he's still there plugging away after all this time.
maybe FXOBoss can help him by letting him stay in the GOM house with the rest of the team? He seems like a cool enough guy, I'm sure he could work it out.
I guess since Sheth left the house it could work out... for what it takes Carn would take less place than Sheth :p .
If he is good enough to almost qualify to code A he'd probably do really well in foreign tournaments. Maybe it's best for him to leave Korea now and go back when he has results and a team to back him up
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
oh nani, as a huge fan of you, i don't get it. You're amazing at this game without taking these huge risks, but you have to have some respect for someone that is daring enough to do this.
In no way should he get a seed without any results, but it is a good enough read to at least root for him
On July 16 2011 05:44 kcaz wrote: Thats a really good idea /sarcasm. Not to be mean, but I'd rather GOM give the spot to someone deserving rather than someone out of pity. I'd much much much rather see DRG in Code A (A ZERG that is one of the best players in the world) than Carn (A TERRAN). Just because he's a foreigner, doesn't mean he should get a spot in Code A.
this is what you need to do
read op realise carn is more qualified in terms of korean play than anyone on fxo realise they got a free slot in the gstl and the house even though they are members of the richest team in esports
On July 16 2011 05:51 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: perhaps he can move back to france, do well in tournies there (he definitely will) then try to get invited to Code A, since after all GOM knows what carn has sacrificed to try to qualify for code a
edit:
unless he prefers to live in korea ofc xD
You don't get invited by producing results in your own country, it has to be international results I presume (MLG or europe big tournies)
In my opinion, i really think that the end result of a SC2 career needs to be weened away from GSL.
Right not comparatively MLG/national lans are rewarding players more then Code A is. One weekend, top 8 pays out double what the Rnd(32) Code A does.
Idk, personally if cArn is as good as people are saying he is, i'd love to see him come back to the states/europe and try his hand at the tournaments where he isnt sacrificing living in another country with no team support.
Wish him the best of luck with qualifying if thats what he chooses. Always like to see more foreigners.
I'm rooting for him so much. Would be great if he makes code a. I really hope he can get a place to train good and that he does not have to return because of the money issue. I hope he does well! Anyway if he would come back he would do very very well in foreign tournaments if he gets in the last round of the codea qualification round.
On July 16 2011 05:50 jenzebubble wrote: I am a Fracophobe of the highest order. That said, I've casually followed cArn's time in Korea. I applaud his dedication and work ethic. If Sheth can be gifted a Code A spot, why not cArn?
Sheth was given his code A spot as part of the GSL-MLG exchange program. Sheth won his spot.
TBH, rather than a freeride into a competition in which chances are he's only gonna play 2 maps, he'd be much better off with support to help him continue trying to achieve his dream.
As it's been said, would be great if GOM would take him back in, or if he could live with some proffesional team. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt anyone.
On July 16 2011 05:50 jenzebubble wrote: I am a Fracophobe of the highest order. That said, I've casually followed cArn's time in Korea. I applaud his dedication and work ethic. If Sheth can be gifted a Code A spot, why not cArn?
Sheth was given his code A spot as part of the GSL-MLG exchange program. Sheth won his spot.
Sheth was not given his spot because of MLG. Nani/Thorzain/Fenix were
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
oh nani, as a huge fan of you, i don't get it. You're amazing at this game without taking these huge risks, but you have to have some respect for someone that is daring enough to do this.
In no way should he get a seed without any results, but it is a good enough read to at least root for him
perhaps i was too blunt, i simply mean that he shouldnt get a spot out of pity, there are 10000 koreans training their hearts out aswell for a spot in code a.
im pretty sure the korean teams are packed with players. Based on the tour videos from csn and artosis, the houses look full. There are players that dont even live in the houses. Also, there's the language barrier, and as far as I know only slayers and ogs have competent english speakers.
edit: I wish carn the best of luck and hope he gets back in the foreigner house.
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
oh nani, as a huge fan of you, i don't get it. You're amazing at this game without taking these huge risks, but you have to have some respect for someone that is daring enough to do this.
In no way should he get a seed without any results, but it is a good enough read to at least root for him
perhaps i was too blunt, i simply mean that he shouldnt get a spot out of pity, there are 10000 koreans training their hearts out aswell for a spot in code a.
but hey, thats just what i think ;p
Agreed, but sick creds to cArn for laying it on the line just to do what he truly wants. Sometimes, I wish I'd have the guts to do the same.
On July 16 2011 05:57 recklessfire wrote: im pretty sure the korean teams are packed with players. Based on the tour videos from csn and artosis, the houses look full. There are players that dont even live in the houses. Also, there's the language barrier, and as far as I know only slayers and ogs have competent english speakers.
I would assume fou does as well, given their closeness to FXO
It seems weird, people always mention how there are probably more opportunities for the average pro outside of Korea, but that's the metric GOM is using to bring foreigners in. Whereas cArn who only had his sights on Korea from the beginning loses his spot despite a loyalty to the Korean system.
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
oh nani, as a huge fan of you, i don't get it. You're amazing at this game without taking these huge risks, but you have to have some respect for someone that is daring enough to do this.
In no way should he get a seed without any results, but it is a good enough read to at least root for him
perhaps i was too blunt, i simply mean that he shouldnt get a spot out of pity, there are 10000 koreans training their hearts out aswell for a spot in code a.
but hey, thats just what i think ;p
couldn't agree more. Now go get a GSL Championship naow! xD
Well, props for him trying to hold out on his own without any team or anything to support.
I really think that he should come back and place at some foreigner tournaments, and him getting that far in qualifiers means that he would do really well back home.
Still, hopefully he gets the spot. It would be nice to see a newish face.
I hope the best for him. At least when he returns he should be tearing up the foreigns tourneys This will be a good preview of what an intense training can do (and without having the best practice partners) I remember him from an artosis video in the very first (or 2nd ?) GSL open qualifiers, he was so shy
On July 16 2011 06:04 NuKedUFirst wrote: Shitty of FXO to basically kick him out. GOM just can't give away code A spots though. Hopefully he'll get picked up by a team.
That is the thing, they already have just given away Code A spots.
On July 16 2011 06:04 NuKedUFirst wrote: Shitty of FXO to basically kick him out. GOM just can't give away code A spots though. Hopefully he'll get picked up by a team.
What makes you think that FXO kicked them out? There is no info on that.
Carn really isn't that great of a player. Yes, I've been aware of him and his journey since the first video, but watching his stream quite a bit and his play, it's mostly nothing stellar. Based on his skill he would probably be a low-mid range EU Terran.
Those citing that he was 1 Bo3 away from qualifying, I'm pretty sure that was just one season and I don't think cArn has ever made the actual final round of a Qualifier (being 1 Bo3 away means 2nd last round). With that he absolutely deserves respect (since all of FXO were comparatively destroyed - HOWEVER, you should take into account that he has played there for almost 9 months, he is much more familiar to Korean play than the others who were there for a week), but I don't think he's ever done anything that even remotely indicates he has some hidden talent just getting unlucky (i.e. DRG).
I applaud his dedication, I don't think there's really anybody out there he could argue he gives his best, but whether or not he deserves "a pity" Code A offer to likely get 0-2'd, I'm skeptical. All other foreigners (Glade, Ret, Huk, Haypro), with the exception for maybe Sheth were given their spot based on some merit of skill. Even then Sheth is at least a "famous" player.
On July 16 2011 06:04 NuKedUFirst wrote: Shitty of FXO to basically kick him out. GOM just can't give away code A spots though. Hopefully he'll get picked up by a team.
That is the thing, they already have just given away Code A spots.
LOL I forgot about that! :p I don't think they should but, however they should increase the Code A prize pool to make it worth competing in.
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
Being away only one Bo3 from qualifiying for Code A is a result that many other foreigners cant achieve. You have to be good to come that far.
And the ones that can are HuK(before he got his invite)/Incontrol/Select/Kiwikaki(?)
If I remember correctly, none of those players qualified for Code A.
There are maybe about 10-12 foreigners who could achieve this in nowadays qualifier i guess. It would be really interesting to see cArn in foreign tournaments. He should participate in more online tournaments, then get a team after a few wins and hope that the team provides any money/place to stay in korea or flys him to offline tournaments :D
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
Thing is, he got further than entire FXO team, including Oz and qxc, in the last code A qualifiers. After saying this, I have to ask one thing: Would I be an ass if I ask the definition of "being good" from you? Any definition that puts tgun, slog, moonan in the category "good" would put cArn in the same category easily.
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
Being away only one Bo3 from qualifiying for Code A is a result that many other foreigners cant achieve. You have to be good to come that far.
And the ones that can are HuK(before he got his invite)/Incontrol/Select/Kiwikaki(?)
If I remember correctly, none of those players qualified for Code A.
There are maybe about 10-12 foreigners who could achieve this in nowadays qualifier i guess. It would be really interesting to see cArn in foreign tournaments. He should participate in more online tournaments, then get a team after a few wins and hope that the team provides any money/place to stay in korea or flys him to offline tournaments :D
I am failing to name, in my head, 10-12 foreigner players that could qualify for Code A at the moment. Do you mean with an extended stay and after multiple attempts? DRG is considered by many to be a very skilled player and even he has had difficulty qualifying for Code A. It's brutal, man.
I fully support cArn and I'm truly impressed by his dedication, but I am heavily opposed to these backdoor foreigners into Code A type of deals. I still do not understand why Sheth was given a spot. If GSL wants more foreigners to participate they need to continue developing league exchange programs and possibly rethinking the format of Code A (courage anyone?).
I remember reading that he was in talks with fOu, but the manager at that time left and the talks fell apart. Unfortunate. I hope he qualifies someday and until then I'll keep watching his stream!
He is good imo, i watched his stream when he still had a computer. Hes only going to get better if he sticks to it. He should come to the US heh. If the gsl doesn't work out, i hope it does.
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
Thing is, he got further than entire FXO team, including Oz and qxc, in the last code A qualifiers. After saying this, I have to ask one thing: Would I be an ass if I ask the definition of "being good" from you? Any definition that puts tgun, slog, moonan in the category "good" would put cArn in the same category easily.
i didnt say he wasnt good i have no clue about that ^^
hmm the least gom can do is talk to a team to maybe take him in for practice see if he can improve if not, carn could always enter NA tournies, he would win every single one. 10 bucks he would be top 50 gm
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
Thing is, he got further than entire FXO team, including Oz and qxc, in the last code A qualifiers. After saying this, I have to ask one thing: Would I be an ass if I ask the definition of "being good" from you? Any definition that puts tgun, slog, moonan in the category "good" would put cArn in the same category easily.
I'll try and make this my last post here, because I don't want to start taking away from the OP and seem like a prick.
cArn has been in Korea for 9 months, he is much more familiar the Korean aggresion that the other players. Qxc made it as far as cArn in one shot. Also, nobody is saying players like slog and tgun are particularly strong players. As cool a person as slog is, he has one of the worst records in all of starcraft II gaming, with 24% winrate in the international scene (mostly NA tournaments...), tgun has 35%.
i always knew about carn and how he's at korea, and i also have to say that this story doesn't at all surprise me. I sincerely hope carn does not have to take a forigner seed for code a this season because i believe in carn and i know he can make it. Making code a through qualifiers will let him in a sense, finish what he's started. I also have heard he's gotten closer and closer to making code a recently, i hope carn can do it, he does deserve it. Question @ OP, don't all koreans also go through the same trials and tribulations? sure they don't leave their home country, but they do sacrifice a lot of time with family and friends. (wasn't carn about to join team fou? what happened to that)
as i sidenote, i think it's pretty hard to make it as a terran foreigner in korea, cause they have the best terrans. If you're a zerg or a protoss you might be able to show up with some stuff they haven't seen yet
carn is really sacrificing a lot for his dream. i wish him the best of luck, that he will reach his goal and compete in the GSL. I would love to see him streaming again, always enjoyed it!
On July 16 2011 05:50 jenzebubble wrote: I am a Fracophobe of the highest order. That said, I've casually followed cArn's time in Korea. I applaud his dedication and work ethic. If Sheth can be gifted a Code A spot, why not cArn?
Basically this.
cArn is certainly good enough to make a splash in the EU scene if he went back home, but he's stuck to his goal of being the best possible player he can be, no matter the costs. That's something you can't say of Sheth or even Ret/Haypro/TLO/IdrA. If you want someone to root for who doesn't play SC2 for the money, but instead to be as good as they possibly can be, then you should root for cArn.
I don't know if GOM should gift him a Code A spot, but it's aggravating to see others get it above him, and heartbreaking to hear he's been kicked out of the GOM House for FXO.
you guys do realize carn joined a team earlier this week right? albeit they prob won't sponsor him much at all, but he isn't teamless. esahara i believe the team was
Sometimes if you work hard and see you just cant do it just give up. Not everyone is Flash. This may sound discouraging but its better for your mental health. There are tons of koreans trying hard as he is and its unfair to them. Best of luck to carn.
I just wanted to clarify 2 things real quick. cArn was recently picked up by the new sc2 pro team eSahara. So he has a team and won't be joining FXO or any Korean team.
Also Sheth did not get his spot from code A qualifiers, and he was invited for his performance at MLG however this invitation was separate from the GSL-MLG exchange program. I believe the invitation was extended not only based on his MLG performance but also on the fact that FXO had already decided to move to Korea for GSTL and thus Sheth would be in the country already.
Hope that clears up some confusion, continue Discussion. My two bits, I think cArn has a lot of guts and clear determination, although I think it would be unlikely and unwise of gom to invite him to code A, I do sincerely hope that he manages to get through the qualifier before he returns to France in September.
Good luck to cArn for sure. Love watching his stream, guess this maybe one reason its been absent lately is his departure from the GOM house. Hope to see him in Code A next season! Fighting!
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
Being away only one Bo3 from qualifiying for Code A is a result that many other foreigners cant achieve. You have to be good to come that far.
And the ones that can are HuK(before he got his invite)/Incontrol/Select/Kiwikaki(?)
If I remember correctly, none of those players qualified for Code A.
There are maybe about 10-12 foreigners who could achieve this in nowadays qualifier i guess. It would be really interesting to see cArn in foreign tournaments. He should participate in more online tournaments, then get a team after a few wins and hope that the team provides any money/place to stay in korea or flys him to offline tournaments :D
I am failing to name, in my head, 10-12 foreigner players that could qualify for Code A at the moment. Do you mean with an extended stay and after multiple attempts? DRG is considered by many to be a very skilled player and even he has had difficulty qualifying for Code A. It's brutal, man.
Naniwa, Thorzain, Huk, Nerchio, Sen, Whitera, Major, Hasuobs, Stephano and Dimaga all have a decent shot at making the qualifiers. Of course some won't if they have to face MMA/DRG but they all could do it imo
I would like nothing more then to see Carn qualify and do well in the GSL. This guy has passion and I really wish he would catch a break and get rewarded for his dedication.
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
Thing is, he got further than entire FXO team, including Oz and qxc, in the last code A qualifiers. After saying this, I have to ask one thing: Would I be an ass if I ask the definition of "being good" from you? Any definition that puts tgun, slog, moonan in the category "good" would put cArn in the same category easily.
It's a general statement that applies here
He didn't specifically call someone out of not being good
You could be the hardest working player in the world, it still doesn't mean you are the best nor deserving of anything. You can be putting more hours practicing basketball than anyone, doesn't mean you deserve a spot on an NBA team just because of that.
But yeah, I'm rooting for cArn to qualify for code A one day but not by pity invites. Could be a great cinderella story (or Rudy story) if he does.
Hey OP Does carn know you are asking this? Because if it were me I'd really not appreciate it. Imagine if you are close to reaching your dream goal. You worked hard on it for months and made sacrifices for it. You probably see people around you in the same struggle. You make it further and further and just when you think you really have a good shot at it and really believe in yourself, you get handed a free-pass just because you are a foreigner... I know I'd probably not accept that. Your his friend, do you not believe he can reach his goals? Make a fan club for him, or support him in another way, but don't try to get him some sort of shortcut.
On July 16 2011 06:07 PartyBiscuit wrote: Carn really isn't that great of a player. Yes, I've been aware of him and his journey since the first video, but watching his stream quite a bit and his play, it's mostly nothing stellar. Based on his skill he would probably be a low-mid range EU Terran.
I've watched a lot of streams, especially of EU Terrans, and I completely disagree. There's some game sense and build refinement issues, but his mechanics are far better than most foreigners and he's a clever player. Keep in mind he hasn't had training partners while there, which was an advantage afforded to just about every other foreigner who has tried to qualify. Even IdrA could toss around ideas with plenty of people.
At the very least, I'm sure cArn can successfully execute a proxy 2 rax all-in against a 1rax expand.
is there no way for a partnership with FXO ? i mean like playing in gom house even with them ? its sad if he sacrifire so much and just be on ingorem ode for rest of world
On July 16 2011 06:07 PartyBiscuit wrote: Carn really isn't that great of a player. Yes, I've been aware of him and his journey since the first video, but watching his stream quite a bit and his play, it's mostly nothing stellar. Based on his skill he would probably be a low-mid range EU Terran.
Those citing that he was 1 Bo3 away from qualifying, I'm pretty sure that was just one season and I don't think cArn has ever made the actual final round of a Qualifier (being 1 Bo3 away means 2nd last round). With that he absolutely deserves respect (since all of FXO were comparatively destroyed - HOWEVER, you should take into account that he has played there for almost 9 months, he is much more familiar to Korean play than the others who were there for a week), but I don't think he's ever done anything that even remotely indicates he has some hidden talent just getting unlucky (i.e. DRG).
I applaud his dedication, I don't think there's really anybody out there he could argue he gives his best, but whether or not he deserves "a pity" Code A offer to likely get 0-2'd, I'm skeptical. All other foreigners (Glade, Ret, Huk, Haypro), with the exception for maybe Sheth were given their spot based on some merit of skill. Even then Sheth is at least a "famous" player.
It's crazy how dedicated the guy is, and I hope he can show some good results when he goes back home if he doesn't get the chance in Korea. I could see him joining Millennium since if I am not mistaken they are based in France.
On July 16 2011 06:31 Mr Tambourine Man wrote: Hey OP Does carn know you are asking this? Because if it were me I'd really not appreciate it. Imagine if you are close to reaching your dream goal. You worked hard on it for months and made sacrifices for it. You probably see people around you in the same struggle. You make it further and further and just when you think you really have a good shot at it and really believe in yourself, you get handed a free-pass just because you are a foreigner... I know I'd probably not accept that. Your his friend, do you not believe he can reach his goals? Make a fan club for him, or support him in another way, but don't try to get him some sort of shortcut.
I see nothing wrong in giving a Code A spot to a skilled foreigner considering that in every big foreign tournament shitloads of koreans get free seeds.
On July 16 2011 06:31 Mr Tambourine Man wrote: Hey OP Does carn know you are asking this? Because if it were me I'd really not appreciate it. Imagine if you are close to reaching your dream goal. You worked hard on it for months and made sacrifices for it. You probably see people around you in the same struggle. You make it further and further and just when you think you really have a good shot at it and really believe in yourself, you get handed a free-pass just because you are a foreigner... I know I'd probably not accept that. Your his friend, do you not believe he can reach his goals? Make a fan club for him, or support him in another way, but don't try to get him some sort of shortcut.
That's how life works, opportunities often arise when you're not looking for them.
If I was cArn I would be motivated after seeing fan support such as this.
I really appreciate it that carn is putting so much effort into this but if he doesnt qualify he doenst earn it more than others who fail at qualifying for Code A. I really dislike the seedings into Code A but I think Thorzain / Naniwa / Sheth deserve it a lot more than carn.
this reminds me of the movie rudy. I wanted to just post "Rudy! Rudy!.. CARN! CARN!". When Carn comes back from Korea he'll probably slay the ladder in europe (or get pretty high up there).
But don't give up man.. if you make it one day it would be fantastic grounds for a movie or documentary or something.
cArn is a starcraft player that everyone should cheer and root for. Someone who's willing to dedicate their life to become the very best. Someone who left his country to pursue his dreams. I've been watching his stream and he has improved so much. I would be happy to donate to a paypal account to support cArn. He truly has the passion for Starcraft.
Saw him play recently in the Korean weekly tourney, and he was utter garbage. There's a good reason no one has mentioned him in the what, 9 months he's been there? Any reasonable person would have packed up and gone home to play in Euro tourneys long ago.
On July 16 2011 06:31 Mr Tambourine Man wrote: Hey OP Does carn know you are asking this? Because if it were me I'd really not appreciate it. Imagine if you are close to reaching your dream goal. You worked hard on it for months and made sacrifices for it. You probably see people around you in the same struggle. You make it further and further and just when you think you really have a good shot at it and really believe in yourself, you get handed a free-pass just because you are a foreigner... I know I'd probably not accept that. Your his friend, do you not believe he can reach his goals? Make a fan club for him, or support him in another way, but don't try to get him some sort of shortcut.
I see nothing wrong in giving a Code A spot to a skilled foreigner considering that in every big foreign tournament shitloads of koreans get free seeds.
There is a difference there, in that those invites are not for people who failed in the qualifiers. But that is actually beside the point; I'm saying look at it from the perspective of carn. He dedicated himself to reaching a goal by working hard and is actually close to getting there. I just don't think he'll appreciate a free ticket like that. Consider he does take the free-ticket into the code A, considering his gradual improvement, it is quite likely he won't stay in there, seeing as he'll be facing off against people who have beaten him before. And then what? He will only feel loss, no sense of accomplishment and won't get another free ticket. But if we just support him as much as we can and he manages to make it into code A, then even if he get's knocked out, he knows he has made it on his strength and can reach it again. I am all for supporting him and I really think he has what it takes to make it! but this is not the way.
Does he participate in online tournaments like TL Open or something? Cause all I know about him is that he lived in the GOM-house and played in one of the iccup-korean weekly torunaments. Maybe he should release a replay pack, if the community would get to see him play some good games on the korean ladder he might gain popularity.
Well it's understandable carn was kicked out of the gom house for fxo because they have a large team and the house had like 10 people in it. Imagine if it had 11, sheth would have left after a week.
Plus gom letting carn stay in the house was a privilege and not a right for carn. Maybe they'll let him back in once fxo leaves since only naniwa, thorzain and sase will be using it after that.
To be honest, if he was that good, he would have been picked up, or we would have heard of some results. Take Naniwa forexample, i hadnt heard about him at all, and it seemed not many others did. He showed results, and see him now, in Korea fighting. Take Huk, he was a noob to, decided he wanted to be pro, and went from scrub to TL member to Code S. In my honest oppenion, just taking a blind shot going to Korea, might seem brave to some, but to me it seems stupid. Im all for being a Knight of Fortune, and a brave soul, and all that. But going to Korea, being a SC2 noob, low funds, no team, thats seems extremly reckless. He made a giant gamble, and it seems, that it didnt work out, which would be the logical outcome.
On July 16 2011 05:50 jenzebubble wrote: I am a Fracophobe of the highest order. That said, I've casually followed cArn's time in Korea. I applaud his dedication and work ethic. If Sheth can be gifted a Code A spot, why not cArn?
Basically this.
cArn is certainly good enough to make a splash in the EU scene if he went back home, but he's stuck to his goal of being the best possible player he can be, no matter the costs. That's something you can't say of Sheth or even Ret/Haypro/TLO/IdrA. If you want someone to root for who doesn't play SC2 for the money, but instead to be as good as they possibly can be, then you should root for cArn.
I don't know if GOM should gift him a Code A spot, but it's aggravating to see others get it above him, and heartbreaking to hear he's been kicked out of the GOM House for FXO.
Exactly my thoughts, guys that can't stay 1 month in a country gets a free spot to finally escape like a coward, on the other hand cArn has been there since 9 months dedicating everything and people feel like that it would be unfair ?
I'm sorry but I support dedicated people giving their all to achieve their dreams.
Not guys that take the easy way or escape difficulty, or even worse blame a whole server for a tournament loss.
I would do the exact same thing as cArn if I had the money to support myself like that. Huge props to cArn, and if I were cArn I wouldn't take the free-spot because it would feel like I didn't earn it. If cArn made it that far in the qualifiers then his obviously nearly there, I'd love to see him in the next qualifiers if Artosis could film him a little <3
On July 16 2011 06:46 Stark1 wrote: Saw him play recently in the Korean weekly tourney, and he was utter garbage. There's a good reason no one has mentioned him in the what, 9 months he's been there? Any reasonable person would have packed up and gone home to play in Euro tourneys long ago.
He has played Tassadar and Puzzle in those tournaments, two of the hottest Protoss' in Korea, and both current Code A finalists. Judging him off those games is far from fair.
carn is not a good player, people who deserve it will get a spot, he doesnt, i dont wanna see bad players in code a/s, my eyes have suffert enough in the open seasons
On July 16 2011 07:05 {ToT}ColmA wrote: carn is not a good player, people who deserve it will get a spot, he doesnt, i dont wanna see bad players in code a/s, my eyes have suffert enough in the open seasons
I wouldn't go as far as calling him a bad player, but yeah there are more deserving players.
On July 16 2011 07:03 godemperor wrote: cArn should come back to europe, he will definitely cause some damage.
You could even say he might cause some.../puts on sunglasses ...cArnage in europe.
I lol'd.
No but seriously, I have watched cArns stream and he is a good player, I don't think he should be given Code A due to this tale of events, but the idea that his been kicked out of GOM House is rather sad
cArn reminds me of OTTeR (around the era of Grrr, Maynard, Elky, etc). OTTeR was also a frenchmen who went to Korea in 1999 to become a Starcraft 1 programer. OTTeR had to go through some rough times, too. Eventually, OTTeR managed to get a sponsorship and pursued his dreams of competing in Korea. cArn, you're an inspiration. Please don't give up .
It's funny how people trust the korean way. What will you do when he will come back in EU and get crushed ?
On a side note : Stop praising him, stupidity (yes it's stupid and selfish to leave your friends and your family behind to pursue your dream) should not be encourage. We don't need martyr, we need models. Being reckless and failing or being reckless and being offered a Coda A spot isn't what the scene needs. It needs more partnership, more joint trainings and more regional qualifiers.
On July 16 2011 06:52 Benkestok wrote: To be honest, if he was that good, he would have been picked up, or we would have heard of some results. Take Naniwa forexample, i hadnt heard about him at all, and it seemed not many others did. He showed results, and see him now, in Korea fighting. Take Huk, he was a noob to, decided he wanted to be pro, and went from scrub to TL member to Code S.
he spent all his time in korea, and there sure are a ton of people in korea I'm sure people have never heard of that are better than almost all the foreigners--this was true in brood war where top foreigners were only maybe practice-partner equivalents and it will be true soon for for every foreigner that doesn't adopt a really heavy practice regiment.
Huk and Naniwa showed success outside korea (I am talking about pre-Korea huk here), where carn hasn't been participating at all. You can't really use that as a comparison, since a no-name korean practice partner could really have the skill of our mid-to-top foreigners; we just don't get a chance to see them. I do agree with the rest of your post though about just going out to korea being stupid since the talent is so high there, unless the goal was to just get better and not post results.
I don't know how good carn is but in the brackets for the iccup/nationvoice korean weekly he has advanced through kyrix (week 5) and im.happy (week 1). Don't know if those were no-shows or w/e but those would be impressive results if he had actually won those games.
I think he said he was moving back to france in september; I hope he has some success in europe just for his sake. I wish him luck.
edit- As for code A spots, I don't think they should be given to foreigners really at all (except maybe top place finisher at MLG or 1 spot) for the exact same reasons as what I posted above--there are so many koreans out there that are more skilled/train harder than top foreigners. Hell, even MMA and DRG will be in the code A qualifiers next time. Foreigners should earn results, not be given code A. If cArn was just given a code A spot for his "hard work", that just takes another spot away from someone like MMA or DRG.
carn is in a tough spot. he's playing in the hardest sc2 environment only. Why not just go to a foreign event and attempt to do well so he can get a spot in Code A without having to hope to make it through one of the hardest tournaments in sc2? Either that or just leave korea and participate elsewhere with all of the knowledge/skill gained from training in korea for so long.
I've always pictured cArn as the Bear Grylls of SC2. Flys out to a foreign land with just a backpack and a copy of starcraft to carve a path of his own, with no one truly sure how he's managing to survive. Possibly foraging through the leftovers of korean resturants and making a bed wherever he can on his quest to become the best there ever was. Perhaps its time for him to drink his own piss.
On July 16 2011 06:46 Stark1 wrote: Saw him play recently in the Korean weekly tourney, and he was utter garbage. There's a good reason no one has mentioned him in the what, 9 months he's been there? Any reasonable person would have packed up and gone home to play in Euro tourneys long ago.
He has played Tassadar and Puzzle in those tournaments, two of the hottest Protoss' in Korea, and both current Code A finalists. Judging him off those games is far from fair.
I wasn't judging him based on his opponents; he was just plain bad, especially for someone who's been in Korea since GSL1.
On July 16 2011 06:46 Stark1 wrote: Saw him play recently in the Korean weekly tourney, and he was utter garbage. There's a good reason no one has mentioned him in the what, 9 months he's been there? Any reasonable person would have packed up and gone home to play in Euro tourneys long ago.
He's played a lot of top Code A players during those qualifiers, I'd say he's anything but garbage. Also I think it's people with the same attitude as you that crush other peoples dreams. Where is it your place to tell someone who and what they are. cArn is a good terran player trying to make it in korea and you're telling him to quit. How would you feel if you had a dream to make it in some foreign country with everything against you and then they said "Oh ur balls quit now and go to EU and win"
On July 16 2011 05:44 kcaz wrote: Thats a really good idea /sarcasm. Not to be mean, but I'd rather GOM give the spot to someone deserving rather than someone out of pity. I'd much much much rather see DRG in Code A (A ZERG that is one of the best players in the world) than Carn (A TERRAN). Just because he's a foreigner, doesn't mean he should get a spot in Code A.
You're being an asshole right now, this guy entered Korea and has been trying to get through the extremely rigorous Code A tournament and obviously he is Code A material if he recently missed just 1 game from being in Code A. The OP isn't even saying to just give cArn the spot, he's saying to consider it. DRG is doing fine on his own and cArn after all the months upon months he has been in Korea isn't even allowed back into the GOM house.
He does not deserve a Code A spot. Dedication is great. So is sacrifice. I applaud him for both.
However, neither are and should ever be criteria for giving someone a spot. cArn has yet to prove himself. Just because he spent a great deal of time in Korea doesn't mean he's anywhere near the level at which he could be competitive in Code A.
And honestly, if we're playing the game of fairness, there should be no gifted spots. Everyone should have to earn them just like Koreans do.
On July 16 2011 05:44 kcaz wrote: Thats a really good idea /sarcasm. Not to be mean, but I'd rather GOM give the spot to someone deserving rather than someone out of pity. I'd much much much rather see DRG in Code A (A ZERG that is one of the best players in the world) than Carn (A TERRAN). Just because he's a foreigner, doesn't mean he should get a spot in Code A.
You're being an asshole right now, this guy entered Korea and has been trying to get through the extremely rigorous Code A tournament and obviously he is Code A material if he recently missed just 1 game from being in Code A. The OP isn't even saying to just give cArn the spot, he's saying to consider it. DRG is doing fine on his own and cArn after all the months upon months he has been in Korea isn't even allowed back into the GOM house.
But he hasn't really shown anything for all his time in Korea and GOM was essentially footing his housing expenses for nothing in return. Until he can show himself to be a competitive enough player, there is no reason anyone would have the slightest expectation for GOM to give him any more free stuff.
It's great that he spent so much time in Korea, but that alone is completely meaningless.
If I'm thinking of the same person, I remember seeing cArn in some video right around the first season of GSL, seemed like a genuinely nice guy. Better players have traveled to South Korea and left within a months time because they're unable to handle a new country whose language they do not speak and the other factors that are indeed hard to overcome, such as missing family and friends.
I know cArn was pursuing his dream, but maybe it's time he went home. In all honesty, it was quite foolish to just show up in South Korea with no real plans and no idea where he would stay or how he would get by day to day. Using what he's learned in Korea I'm sure he could have at least moderate success in the foreigner scene.
It's amazing in and of itself that GOM gave him a place to live while they did. Regardless, whatever happens in the end, I hope it works out for him.
I think he'd almost have a better shot leaving to participate in foreign tournaments, and then getting invited. Making it into code A legit is near impossible, as DongRaeGue could attest. o.o lol
If he's really skilled enough to almost make code A, he'd easily be able to hold his own in any foreign tournament.
On July 16 2011 07:10 Otolia wrote: It's funny how people trust the korean way. What will you do when he will come back in EU and get crushed ?
On a side note : Stop praising him, stupidity (yes it's stupid and selfish to leave your friends and your family behind to pursue your dream) should not be encourage. We don't need martyr, we need models. Being reckless and failing or being reckless and being offered a Coda A spot isn't what the scene needs. It needs more partnership, more joint trainings and more regional qualifiers.
I'm sure his private life is fine, it'd be more selfish if his friends and family tried to give him a cold shoulder for doing what he wanted. And if he's as dedicated or disciplined as this thread makes him out to be, he already is a model. Circle jerking with your team and getting lucky in a few tournaments isn't admirable. But you can have a future if you're really dedicated and really love what you're doing. If YellOw has taught us anything it's that not making it a few times isn't grounds for giving up, but rather you should stick with it and let it become a part of you.
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
must explain why you're an ass with mediocre results t.t
social incapabilities HWAIGHTINGG
YEAAH Exactly Naniwa, go win a major event without dropping a single game before coming here to say shit like that!!! Oh wait.. :D
On the topic, there has been a lot of charity cases for GSL Code A spots in the past; ie. Haypro and Moonglade. Completely undeserved spots but yet they were given a chance. But that was a long time ago, now the code A competition is really fierce, it takes a lot of skill and luck to even get into Code A. Sick players like TheStc, DongRaeGu, Yonghwa, Seed etc. have failed to qualify. So those spots shouldn't be handed to anyone out of charity. They should be earned via getting through the qualifiers.
cArn should join a Korean pro-team like Torch (why not try StarTale?) just to have the practice environment and partners. If he can't join the team, perhaps just to stay there and practice with them? Pay some token rent to them, better than staying outside. fOu seem quite friendly to foreigners and Choya can speak English.
On July 16 2011 07:22 Newguy wrote: Weird that he can get that far in the qualifiers, apparently be quite good, but hasn't been picked up by any team, either foreigner or Korean.
On July 16 2011 07:22 Newguy wrote: Weird that he can get that far in the qualifiers, apparently be quite good, but hasn't been picked up by any team, either foreigner or Korean.
He's on eSahara now.
What is that? :o
Edit: seems to be some random french esports organisation with the most useless website ever. After 10 minutes of browsing it, couldn't find a list of players or any information about the team whatsoever.
People are player bashing without even seeing him play lol... Carn is an amazing Terran, watch his stream sometime, he would absolutely wreck alot of top foreigners. He is most certainly code a material edit: Im sure he can play in alot of major tournaments in Korea to post results aside from GSL...oh wait
He's shown that he is at the level of Korean players. It'd be a shame if he came back, but really he'd be considered near the top of the foreigner scene if he came back imo.
On July 16 2011 07:22 Newguy wrote: Weird that he can get that far in the qualifiers, apparently be quite good, but hasn't been picked up by any team, either foreigner or Korean.
He's on eSahara now.
What is that? :o
A French esports team. (Thanks Google)
I have never heard this story but am honestly amazed by it. Really hope that he can make it into Code A someday.
He must be a pretty solid player to have gotten as far in qualifiers as he did.
Also, can anyone more familiar with Carns play speak as to how good you think he would do at a foreigner tournament such as MLG or Dreamhack?
after trying so hard and finaly given the goal only out of pity ? i cant imagine he would be happy with that, after reading how you described his journey
I hadn't heard this before, but thats really quite impressive that he would drop everything to go to Korea and do this. I can't do much to support his efforts, but i will watch his stream when i get the chance
It was very nice from gom to offer him a spot in the foreigner house!
Asking for a code A slot is a bit too much, everyone seems to agree, but I definetely think we, as a comunitty, could lobby for a korean team to pick him up, so he can have acess to a practice enviroment and easier living conditions.
Telling his story, sharing his dreams, promoting his stream etc are all good ways to draw attention to him - that can make a team more likely want to pick him up.
On July 16 2011 07:52 Micket wrote: I think it would be a bit mean to the Koreans who are trying just as hard to qualify for code A for gom to simply let him in because he was dedicated.
Indeed, I think a lot of them were a bit unpleased about how people from MLG get seeded into Code A. Not everyone has the equal opportunities to travel to MLGs anyway.
Well GOM should realise that he's been living in Korea for the past 9~10 months and it's been nearly impossible for him to find a team let alone post any results in 'non-korean' events. I admire his amazing dedication and commitment and should there be any open Code A spots from MLG Anaheim, I think he should get it. Don't give up on your dream man!
Being able to move to Korea to play a video game for 10 months now and being able to survive without need for work is pretty much the definition of priveleged. I don't and won't feel bad because he just didn't reach a GSL level and people pay good money to watch GSL caliber players compete. Sheth was gifted a spot because hes a great player and a fan favorite. Carn is neither.
Wow, I had no idea he'd given up so much. I've been aware of him since Artosis' early GSL interview but never really followed him at all. I'm taken aback by just how dedicated he is and how much this means to him. He definitely deserves a spot in the GOM house, he's more than earned it.
Go cArn! I've always been a huge fan since I stumbled across your stream one late night on TL. Keep up the hard work and I'm sure you'll make it far, in either Korea or the "West."
Angras, i don't think you know how big of a favor you've just done for carn, if there's anything i know about gom, it's that they will listen to the fans, expect an announcement about carn soon from gom, at the very least maybe a bed to sleep on for the upcoming month
I applaud carn for his effort and hardwork but I also kinda understand GOM's position. There are just too many foreigners to choose from. Maybe carn should target to win a big tourney first before GSL so he'll be able to get GOM's attention.
If carn keeps on going I'm certain his time will come to be in the GSL.
On July 16 2011 05:44 kcaz wrote: Thats a really good idea /sarcasm. Not to be mean, but I'd rather GOM give the spot to someone deserving rather than someone out of pity. I'd much much much rather see DRG in Code A (A ZERG that is one of the best players in the world) than Carn (A TERRAN). Just because he's a foreigner, doesn't mean he should get a spot in Code A.
what does the players race have to do with anything??..
I think he's going for the whole, DRG is a somebody, cArn, is just another terran in the KR server. Well, hope one day he does qualify, he has to be good to get so far into the qualifiers
Just because he commits doesn't mean he deserves. Not trying to be the bad guy here, just happy GOM expands there horizon and offers home for anyone stable and with results. Or atleast offering them the possibility. Honestly for foreign standards he obviously came far, however in order for you to make it your job and have a possible living/future of you eSports is not only a very unstable and low payed business for that, it also requires consistancy in results, specially if your a solo player and not being backed up by any team.
Maybe he should reconsider his decision and move back to France, as hard as it may sound.
Also GOM does not owe him anything, if anything it's rather gentle to have shared as they've done thus far. I'm positive that if he'd make Code A/S more opportunities would arrise.
It's too bad he hasn't been able to get a foreigner invite into code A. He'd probably be doing pretty damn well in international events if he was playing in them.
I know him since the first GSL Qualifier videos that Artosis post and I kinda remember IdrA calling him a jerk or something like that.
I've watched his stream plenty of times and it's pretty enjoyable and he said that he had been offered a spot by various organizations, and it seems like he's been picked up by eSahara, a french team that has a CS team with REALLY big french players and he's along with FuRy and some guys called Only and ZaB at the SC2 team, so I think that he should be in a better spot now.
Anyway, the part of him being dumped of the GOM house because of the FXO guys sounds really heartbreaking...
Totally understand that giving him code A spot may seems unfairness to majority of other Korea players but seriously, one foreign guy spend a whole year in Korea to pursuit his dream, have to go back without the dream become true but so close, it is sad.
They ought to give him a chance instead of him gettin kicked out cuz of fxo. Who knows, carn might actually do well, Fxo results havent been that great
He's worth a code a shot than players like Sheth who forfeited. I wish he joins team Millenium or something maybe in roster with F.United. And he should play online tournaments across the region for some exposure,results.
On July 16 2011 08:24 Jayrod wrote: Being able to move to Korea to play a video game for 10 months now and being able to survive without need for work is pretty much the definition of priveleged. I don't and won't feel bad because he just didn't reach a GSL level and people pay good money to watch GSL caliber players compete. Sheth was gifted a spot because hes a great player and a fan favorite. Carn is neither.
Sheth is not a great player. He didn't deserve that spot.
I think this whole situation is strange.Why did it take so long for cArn to join a team that isn't even Korean? Why does he have 0 tournament results. Lots of Koreans compete in foreign online tournaments now a days. If cArn is on their level shouldn't he do the same? Why did Gom kick him out of the house? How comes he isn't play for fox united?
Gom doesn't just hate on foreign players. From what I can see the Koreans don't see him as anything special, and he doesn't have foreign tournament results to back up his skill. He is just average in their eyes, and that isn't enough to make the cut for the biggest SC tourney.
I disagree with a lot of the other free Code A invites, but that is a whole different discussion.
Congratz to him. I don't know much much about him or how GSL works. But i must admit that what he is doing is something i have thought about(In dream, I know i suck at star craft) putting everything up on the line and just go for it. I know I am to scared to do so myself. Maybe one day ill do something like that who knows =)
But I don't believe that he should be given the spot. But I would rather see is that he finds a place to live and is able to keep on going after he's dream.
Why doesn't Carn just get into a Western clan like Europeans for now and get some pay?? It can't be that hard since hehas been playing in Korea that long and can actually compete in Code A qualifiers. What he did is both admirable and really crazy at the same time, more thought should've been put in.
On July 16 2011 08:44 desrow wrote: people are giving way too much shit to carn. GL carn hope you make it
Seriously, when have any of you gotten off of your asses and actually pursued your dreams and passions. What carn is doing is incredible and the fact that he has come so far in such a short time is nothing to be scoffed at by anyone.
However, I don't understand the reason for the op. Sure, it brings attention to him, but really, what's the point? Why not wait until he succeeds rather than write an article now bitching about how unjust the system is? I don't see carn whining, he's probably practicing right now trying to overcome the adversity.
I love the weekend warriors saying negative stuff like they've watched caRn from his birth. The guy has 100% more dedication to competing and he has shown better results then a lot of top North American players in the Qualifiers. I really wish well for the guy and hope he doesn't give up because if he actually could practice with a team he'd improve even more. To get that late in the Code A qualifier is grueling.
I feel sorry for him, I think he has tried to qualify for Code A for more than 4 times already? He certainly deserves some recognition for this determination
I wish that Carn could play in tournaments outside of Korea. He definitely have the skills to do very well. Sad that he doesn't have the sponsors to do so.
Ave Cæsar, morituri te salutant (Hail the Emperor, we who are about to die salute you! - words of the ancient gladiators of the Colosseum)
Why is this even relevant? Because cArn follows the same code of honor. I remember the hype video about him moving to korea and what i thought back then "this guy doesn't stand a chance". I always though he was an unknowing westerner that had heard that korea was the best place to pracc and doesn't know the real level of competition. I still follow that sentiment, but what has transpired has shown me differently. Not in my initial judgement, but my judgement of character. I remember Wolf recently "dissed" him (about one or two months ago) saying he had the lowest mouse speed he had ever seen. Which is pivotal to making it as a pro-gamer, and he still hasn't improved that part of the game.
But this post isn't about cArn's skill, its about his attitude. He has kept with it. He has continuously tried to improve his game (even though he has no "special talent"). He has kept on playing without an auto-berth into code-A. He has continued to fight against his fate, against the odds and without any backup organization (which is more than any failed non-koreans in the GSL so far). Huk and Jinro have the right attitude (they keep on training hard and going against the best - the only remedy to prevent an all-korean onslaught a year from now). Without any official recognition or "great tour results" (even though i think he placed 4th in a "best of the best" of france tour") he has kept at it.
So my final words will be: cArn, I salute you! I hope your mentality and perseverance will succeed in the long run. When every non-korean pro will lose due to laziness and lack of practice - you will have done everything within your power to improve. Even though you don't truly succeed there can be no blame on your part. In a philosophical way you are the greatest pro-westerner.
You will always have my deep rooted respect Cheers from Norway
I was feeling sorry for him until it was revealed he plays terran, now I'm ambivalent.
But on a serious note, I'm shocked no korean team has picked him up if he's getting that far through code A quals. Why doesn't he just talk to some of the korean teams and get himself recruited instead of just begging for a Code A spot? I'm sure he's learned at least some of the language in a year, and if not he could probably have the deal brokered by a translator.The korean teams are taking players who've done far worse in code A qualifiers, I'm sure they'd be glad to have him, especially with how far he's come under horrible circumstances. I think in a more stable training environment he can do this.
On July 16 2011 12:52 Drowsy wrote: I was feeling sorry for him until it was revealed he plays terran, now I'm ambivalent.
But on a serious note, I'm shocked no korean team has picked him up if he's getting that far through code A quals. Why doesn't he just talk to some of the korean teams and get himself recruited instead of just begging for a Code A spot? I'm sure he's learned at least some of the language in a year, and if not he could probably have the deal brokered by a translator.The korean teams are taking players who've done far worse in code A qualifiers, I'm sure they'd be glad to have him, especially with how far he's come under horrible circumstances. I think in a more stable training environment he can do this.
He's not begging for any spots. He's trying to earn his Code A placement.
They should not have kicked him out of the GOM house, so that a team could live there...Its not the FXO house, and it never will be, and in my opinion its disgusting that someone like cArn would get kicked out just so that a mediocre team could lose in the GSTL, and their ace could turn his back on the country...
I used to be a FXO fanboy, but if its because of them cArn has no place to train, fuck them.
On July 16 2011 12:52 Drowsy wrote: I was feeling sorry for him until it was revealed he plays terran, now I'm ambivalent.
But on a serious note, I'm shocked no korean team has picked him up if he's getting that far through code A quals. Why doesn't he just talk to some of the korean teams and get himself recruited instead of just begging for a Code A spot? I'm sure he's learned at least some of the language in a year, and if not he could probably have the deal brokered by a translator.The korean teams are taking players who've done far worse in code A qualifiers, I'm sure they'd be glad to have him, especially with how far he's come under horrible circumstances. I think in a more stable training environment he can do this.
He's not begging for any spots. He's trying to earn his Code A placement.
right, I understand that and probably should have rephrased. Rather than the OP and others begging for Carn to just be granted Code A spot, the community (and Carn himself) should try to campaign for him to get recruited by a korean team. With a better practice environment, I'm quite sure he could qualify.
On July 16 2011 08:24 Jayrod wrote: Being able to move to Korea to play a video game for 10 months now and being able to survive without need for work is pretty much the definition of priveleged. I don't and won't feel bad because he just didn't reach a GSL level and people pay good money to watch GSL caliber players compete. Sheth was gifted a spot because hes a great player and a fan favorite. Carn is neither.
Sheth is not a great player. He didn't deserve that spot.
LOL
I'm sorry, what? Sheth isn't a great player? I guess beating a 2 time GSL semi-finalist makes you totally bad, am I right?
I hope he can get OK practice in the boarding house, as thats probably whats holding him back. Its a shame he could not get a deal to practice with any of the korean teams, OGS-TL comes to mind as a good candidate. If he can make it to the final round of the qualifiers I am really surprised none of them will offer him a spot (especially if he pays for his food/boarding in the house).
Got to admire his perseverance though, when does he have to return to france?
What is with all the negative posts? Replace cArn with IdrA or MC, give them no team or practice partners, and no stable housing and see how well they do. The guy does not deserve a free code A spot, but he definitely should be picked up by a team, or at the very least be given a place to stay and train in the GOM house.
I heard about carn and knew he was in korea, and i've always wondered how he was doing. I didn't realise he was one bo3 away from code A! He's a true inspiration of someone genuinely trying to improve and putting the hard yards in.
does carn consistently do well every qualifier? he may have gotten "one best of three" away one time but inca (lol) was one best of seven away from winning a GSL final.
Hopefully cArn will deliver!! Hoping you the best!! Does suck that GOM kicked him out for FXO to join but if hes been there that long and hes been in the hosue for quite a few months what more can GOM do? Give him a free house to stay while he hasnt qualified forCode A? Taking a apsace off other foreiengers who want to give Korea a chance.
I would love to support cArn in any way I can but it is my belief that no one should be given a free Code A spot, MMA, BoxeR and DRG all have to fight their way in and don't tell me they don't work hard. Maybe cArn will follow their lead and participate in MLG and show us how much he's improved in Korea.
People must be forgetting that foreigner get seeds in to code a through mlg and gom sometimes invites people from korea. I think that carn deserves a shot at code A, maybe he can take sheths spot?
Damn reading this made me depressed. I don't think Carn will be getting that code A seed but he has my eternal respect for being willing to pursue his dreams. I don't know how much longer Carn can sustain this type of living without even having a team but good luck and I will be rooting for you in all future code A qualifiers.
This thread, although heartwarming is a bit irritating.
I believe cArn was 2 bo3's away from qualification. The same event that moonglade lost to violet first round. I don't remember him making it to the final round.
Although cArn is good, he still has alot of work to make it to the GSL level. Unfortunately, he is still losing in some SEA events. There is pretty much no latency to SEA from Korea.
FXO did not kick him out of the GOM house. Nor is it our house to kick him out. Everything/anything that happens in the GOM house, is GOM's decision.
If it were my team house, and I had space, I would let cArn stay. Providing that he obey the rules etc of the house theres no reason to say no.
I would like someone to help Carn to get into a team. If he had training partners and a training schedule like Koreans I am sure he would have qualified by now. Getting that far into Code A qualifier without all that speaks volumes about his talent and dedications. Remember people Haypro didn't qualify once by himself and never won when he got a free spot into Code A. And Haypro had a team and a place
On July 16 2011 17:08 FXOpen wrote: This thread, although heartwarming is a bit irritating.
I believe cArn was 2 bo3's away from qualification. The same event that moonglade lost to violet first round. I don't remember him making it to the final round.
Although cArn is good, he still has alot of work to make it to the GSL level. Unfortunately, he is still losing in some SEA events. There is pretty much no latency to SEA from Korea.
FXO did not kick him out of the GOM house. Nor is it our house to kick him out. Everything/anything that happens in the GOM house, is GOM's decision.
If it were my team house, and I had space, I would let cArn stay. Providing that he obey the rules etc of the house theres no reason to say no.
Well you can ask GOM to let him stay now that some of your guys left (Sheth)?
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
but it's definitely the biggest factor
some people are definiterly fortunate to have it come more easily to them though
I can't believe you are saying this. Effort is not the biggest factor - never. You can put your life on the line (like giving up your previous life etc) but if you are just not good enough, thats how it is. You should not be favored over someone who doesn't train as much, but is simply gifted and naturally good for whatever reason.
Its nice to put a lot of effort into something and its something I personally highly respect, but its certainly not a reason to get picked for something like Code A.
As Nani said, there are 10000 Koreans playing their hearts out literally grinding Starcraft 2 and they don't get to be picked just because of their efforts.
Edit: I'm not saying he doesn't deserve or spot or shouldn't be granted one, I'm just saying that effort is not the biggest factor in eSports. I haven't followed him all that much, but I wish him best of luck.
I have had much respect for cArn ever since I saw his first interview with Artosis. It would be nice if he got given a spot but either way, judging by how much effort and dedication he puts in I have no doubt that the story of cArn will have a happy ending. fighting!
On July 16 2011 05:54 ccJroy wrote: In my opinion, i really think that the end result of a SC2 career needs to be weened away from GSL.
Right not comparatively MLG/national lans are rewarding players more then Code A is. One weekend, top 8 pays out double what the Rnd(32) Code A does.
Idk, personally if cArn is as good as people are saying he is, i'd love to see him come back to the states/europe and try his hand at the tournaments where he isnt sacrificing living in another country with no team support.
Wish him the best of luck with qualifying if thats what he chooses. Always like to see more foreigners.
If you want to be the best, you go to Korea that is how it is currently and how it will be until the Foreign scene steps up it's practice / raises the skill bar.
cArn has spent a year in Korea now (close to it I think). Just playing ladder on the Korean Server for as year will make you better than a lot of people. And to reach the Semi final or Final(?) of the Code A qualifiers is quite a feat. There are so many beasts qualifying for Code A.
@ the guy saying cArn should go to MLG to show us how much he's improved. I doubt he really has the money to fly to America get accomadation still pay money on his living in Korea battle through the Open bracket (with a few top Koreans in it) for a chance of getting nothing then fly back to Korea.
On July 16 2011 17:08 FXOpen wrote: This thread, although heartwarming is a bit irritating.
I believe cArn was 2 bo3's away from qualification. The same event that moonglade lost to violet first round. I don't remember him making it to the final round.
Although cArn is good, he still has alot of work to make it to the GSL level. Unfortunately, he is still losing in some SEA events. There is pretty much no latency to SEA from Korea.
FXO did not kick him out of the GOM house. Nor is it our house to kick him out. Everything/anything that happens in the GOM house, is GOM's decision.
If it were my team house, and I had space, I would let cArn stay. Providing that he obey the rules etc of the house theres no reason to say no.
Well you can ask GOM to let him stay now that some of your guys left (Sheth)?
Whilst i agree that cArn doesn't deserve to be in code A unless he produces the results, I really, really, really admire him for the effort and dedication he has shown to try and achieve his goal. I wish some other foreign players shared the same attitude
On July 16 2011 17:53 JustPassingBy wrote: With sheth gone, there should be an open place in the house, no?
Ask GOM. No one else could really know. Are you 100% positive that he wasn't kicked out (or asked to leave or whatever) just because the FXO-team alone would make it over-crowded? Maybe the current amount of people is the ideal amount. And so on.
It's hardly anyone else's decision than GOM to make !
Has cArn ever thought about coming back and trying to join a foreign team? Maybe the support from strong foreign players would help a lot. It sounds like he is more or less alone and a Korean team does not want him. I know the dream is GSL, but maybe a team here and some more experience at events like MLG will be what he needs to get better and get to the GSL.
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
but it's definitely the biggest factor
some people are definiterly fortunate to have it come more easily to them though
I can't believe you are saying this. Effort is not the biggest factor - never. You can put your life on the line (like giving up your previous life etc) but if you are just not good enough, thats how it is. You should not be favored over someone who doesn't train as much, but is simply gifted and naturally good for whatever reason.
Its nice to put a lot of effort into something and its something I personally highly respect, but its certainly not a reason to get picked for something like Code A.
As Nani said, there are 10000 Koreans playing their hearts out literally grinding Starcraft 2 and they don't get to be picked just because of their efforts.
Edit: I'm not saying he doesn't deserve or spot or shouldn't be granted one, I'm just saying that effort is not the biggest factor in eSports. I haven't followed him all that much, but I wish him best of luck.
Yeah there are 10000 koreans but they are giving away code A spots to foreigners, how sad is that.
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
but it's definitely the biggest factor
some people are definiterly fortunate to have it come more easily to them though
I can't believe you are saying this. Effort is not the biggest factor - never. You can put your life on the line (like giving up your previous life etc) but if you are just not good enough, thats how it is. You should not be favored over someone who doesn't train as much, but is simply gifted and naturally good for whatever reason.
Its nice to put a lot of effort into something and its something I personally highly respect, but its certainly not a reason to get picked for something like Code A.
As Nani said, there are 10000 Koreans playing their hearts out literally grinding Starcraft 2 and they don't get to be picked just because of their efforts.
Edit: I'm not saying he doesn't deserve or spot or shouldn't be granted one, I'm just saying that effort is not the biggest factor in eSports. I haven't followed him all that much, but I wish him best of luck.
Yeah there are 10000 koreans but they are giving away code A spots to foreigners, how sad is that.
you know.. nobody can get code a spots with out foregners invites..
has there ever been any player at the top, any player ever who has been at the absolute top, that didn't practice ALL THE TIME? Who didn't sacrifice everything for bw or sc2?
No, there hasn't - because effort is by far the biggest factor. Like, it's not even close.
The reason there are so many koreans that play so hard is completely because effort is the biggest factor and they know it.
A bad player will become a great player with enough applied effort. A talented player will never become a great player without enough applied effort.
Sure, the guy at the top will have a combination of huge amounts of talent and huge amounts of applied effort. But that's why he is at the top.. cuz he has it all.
Yeah... sorry but he's not exactly at the top of the list of people who should be getting invites. If he really has gotten so good over there then he should go participate in a foreign tournament like MLG and prove that he really does deserve it. I've seen Artosis' qualifiers videos which included some of his gameplay and it wasn't anything special. Solid and everything, but not extraordinary.
cArn has put a lot of dedication into Korea that it amazes me. However, I wouldn't give a Code A seed out to him out in pity... There are just better players that are out there in Code B struggling to get through the qualifiers (because lets face it, its a long ass qualifier with tons of cheese and if not each game is at least 20 minutes long, competition is also fierce). Names such as Puma, DRG, MMA and Squirtle are waiting to get right into Code A.
This thread is becoming flooded by people who read two much mangas.
The amount of work isn't what makes you the best, it is talent. Yes, without work talent is useless, but without talent you won't achieve anything. That's the bottom line.
You can dream to be a good SC2 player all you want, you won't win any major tournament if you aren't gifted.
On July 18 2011 05:49 Otolia wrote: This thread is becoming flooded by people who read two much mangas.
The amount of work isn't what makes you the best, it is talent. Yes, without work talent is useless, but without talent you won't achieve anything. That's the bottom line.
You can dream to be a good SC2 player all you want, you won't win any major tournament if you aren't gifted.
How can you define talent in Starcraft 2? Carn is a newcomer in the SC scene competing a bunch of former B-Teamers (who are courage winners and a result of 12 hours of daily practice) in the Code A tournament. It's like a new recuit against a bunch of battle hardened veterans. Have nothing to do with talent.
What makes you the best is clearly work AND talent...
which one is the biggest factor is the question. if it's talent then why do the people who are at the top of their competitive games/sports always outwork their competition?
you could always try doing some research on the opinions of people who were the best in their fields, I guarantee they are pretty much all going to say that they accomplished it because they worked the hardest.
Saying "oh you'll never be the best if you aren't gifted" is such a stupid thing to say. Who knows if you are gifted or not? Are you saying you shouldn't bother trying to excell if you don't have an immediate knack? That's pathetically defeatist. People can do whatever they want to do, the key is to believe in yourself and actually try.
On July 16 2011 05:44 kcaz wrote: Thats a really good idea /sarcasm. Not to be mean, but I'd rather GOM give the spot to someone deserving rather than someone out of pity. I'd much much much rather see DRG in Code A (A ZERG that is one of the best players in the world) than Carn (A TERRAN). Just because he's a foreigner, doesn't mean he should get a spot in Code A.
First of all, why should race matter?
Second of all, GOM aren't going to give a Korean a free spot in code A, they give them to foreigners because they think more foreign players will give them more foreign viewers. Its unfortunate for Carn that his dedication to getting into the GSL has come at the cost of the recognition in the foreign community that would help him an invite into code a.
Carn deserves respect, he's a good player and has become a good player in true SC1 fashion, without the help and support that a team would provide him. I hope he gets back into the GOM house soon. He was there for at least the first few weeks FXO were, and aren't they moving somewhere else soon?
Carn sometimes streams, it's worth watching and will also help support him in his goal. I wish Carn the best and hope it works out for him so we can soon see another European in code a.
I know I got warned earlier for a completely stupid post and I admit it was stupid, but the discussion right now is about as stupid as my post earlier. Its funny when people ask why people from the foreigner scene aren't doing as good as koreans the #1 reply: its not enough training / their environment trumps the foreigner. Then when we have a discussion about effort being the core driving force behind someone doing good the #1 reply is wtf natural talent is the best.
I guess you could attribute it to the minority of the opposite opinion coming out when they see their opinion being backed up by others, but its just horribly funny if you think about it.
in regards to carn - no he really probably doesn't deserve the spot to some extent but from whats been mentioned hes made it farther through the qualifiers bar sheth and glade who were given spots and going by what people say of the qualifiers that does say something.
On July 18 2011 05:18 Meteora.GB wrote: cArn has put a lot of dedication into Korea that it amazes me. However, I wouldn't give a Code A seed out to him out in pity... There are just better players that are out there in Code B struggling to get through the qualifiers (because lets face it, its a long ass qualifier with tons of cheese and if not each game is at least 20 minutes long, competition is also fierce). Names such as Puma, DRG, MMA and Squirtle are waiting to get right into Code A.
lols you know he nearly got into code a right? He was knocked out by 1 game. If you're saying someone who can get that far in the qualifiers doesn't deserve to be in Code A then you are just dumb. In my eyes, if DRG/MMA/Squirtle/Puma can't get that far - then they don't deserve the spot. It takes a lot of mental strength to play through the qualifiers and cArn getting that far shows that he is dedicated, a good player, and has the mentality that pro gamer needs. As the OP has stated, his not really had the chance to practice a lot because of GOM shafting him.
The code A spot would of been "pity" but if he can get so close so many times, then I think the pity is well needed for someone so dedicated to reach his dream. His the only foreigner in my eyes to have such dedication for his goals.
What does it matter what the most important factors of becoming good is? Fact is, carn is not good enough, regardless of his talent or effort. That sucks and I feel bad for him, but you can't give people spots because they are nice guys who try their best. This is a competition, not a charity. There are probably lots of people who dedicate themselves to earning a spot in the GSL, trying to qualify over and over.
On July 18 2011 05:57 travis wrote: What makes you the best is clearly work AND talent...
which one is the biggest factor is the question. if it's talent then why do the people who are at the top of their competitive games/sports always outwork their competition?
you could always try doing some research on the opinions of people who were the best in their fields, I guarantee they are pretty much all going to say that they accomplished it because they worked the hardest.
Saying "oh you'll never be the best if you aren't gifted" is such a stupid thing to say. Who knows if you are gifted or not? Are you saying you shouldn't bother trying to excell if you don't have an immediate knack? That's pathetically defeatist. People can do whatever they want to do, the key is to believe in yourself and actually try.
Exactly, I can´t believe how many people are putting it all on talent. Its both but in the end effort and dedication is the deciding factor. Its actually kinda insulting for the players on top to conveniently forget how hard they had to work to get there and just call them a genius, right?
This story is great and it is always cool to see a player in these sorts of situation. Sadly, he does not deserve a spot until he proves himself in other events. If the story is true on how good he is, then he should enter some tournaments besides playing in GSL qualifiers.
For the record, you can't just go ahead and say that he was one Bo3 away from getting into Code A. Some facts to back that up perhaps? Who did he beat on the way there and who knocked him out? According to FXO a few pages back he was two rounds from qualifying.
On July 18 2011 08:41 IcedBacon wrote: For the record, you can't just go ahead and say that he was one Bo3 away from getting into Code A. Some facts to back that up perhaps? Who did he beat on the way there and who knocked him out? According to FXO a few pages back he was two rounds from qualifying.
Same I checked Artosis twitter for the time during qualifier, Carn reached only round 2. So he was NOT 1 bo3 from Code A. He was in fact two bo 3 from Code A. Here is the list of winner and the finalist (those who were 1 bo 3 from Code A)
Im surprised it took until the 13th pages before someone relaised that the OP is not 100% truthful. Nothing against Carn, hope he does well, but the OP oversold him by a lot. During the qualification, both the FXO and others all said the real competition comes after round 2.
On July 18 2011 08:41 IcedBacon wrote: For the record, you can't just go ahead and say that he was one Bo3 away from getting into Code A. Some facts to back that up perhaps? Who did he beat on the way there and who knocked him out? According to FXO a few pages back he was two rounds from qualifying.
Same I checked Artosis twitter for the time during qualifier, Carn reached only round 2. So he was NOT 1 bo3 from Code A. He was in fact two bo 3 from Code A. Here is the list of winner and the finalist (those who were 1 bo 3 from Code A)
Nice research. There goes that argument then, he didn't make it any farther than any other foreigner. I'm sure he's a solid player and all but it seems he's yet to prove that he's GSL material and deserving of a Code A invite.
I would not like to see cArn granted a Code A spot, simply because it sets a bad precedent. I WOULD however like to see him given a place to stay in the GOM house.
Never knew who that CS Carn was until I was watching an old WCG event today, sick player though, funny how there names are the same. I don't think Carn deserves a free ride into code A but he is a good player who is working hard and should be respected by the community for his efforts. Sucks that he got pushed out of the GOM house, seems like a bad way of handling things but hell what can GOM do except buy another foreigner house? :/ Would like to see him play other tournaments but it sounds like his living arrangements greatly affect everything else with his life atm, best of luck to him though he seems like a great guy.
On July 18 2011 05:57 travis wrote: What makes you the best is clearly work AND talent...
which one is the biggest factor is the question. if it's talent then why do the people who are at the top of their competitive games/sports always outwork their competition?
you could always try doing some research on the opinions of people who were the best in their fields, I guarantee they are pretty much all going to say that they accomplished it because they worked the hardest.
Saying "oh you'll never be the best if you aren't gifted" is such a stupid thing to say. Who knows if you are gifted or not? Are you saying you shouldn't bother trying to excell if you don't have an immediate knack? That's pathetically defeatist. People can do whatever they want to do, the key is to believe in yourself and actually try.
So much of BW success was based off whether the players put in the work or not. Players like Stork who are talented as fuck always come up short because they don't put in the effort. Flash practices until his wrists fall off, and Jaedong is known to be a practice machine. sAviOr was pretty talented, but as soon as he lost that fire to put in the effort, he fell off too (well that and the scandal >.>).
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good.
No, but dedication shows character and that deserves respect.
Also, he's almost made it into the hardest tournament in the world, from not having anything I'd say that is results and that given time and the environment for it he probably would make it.
What people don't realize is that Koreans are not übermensches, they just have the best training regime combined with the best environment, this guy has had none of it and still almost makes it: Bear in fact that there are tons of koreans on the korean teams who are not in Code S or Code A. Coming from you Naniwa that is very cold and seems to show lack of empathy/understanding.
Best of luck to cArn, but everything happens for a reason. He did not get a spot because he was not good enough it is as simple as that, but it is also very saddening. I hope he gets a spot, but nothings easy!
I thought that Huk, Haypro, TLO, and Ret all got pity spots on the sole qualification that they were foreign players. They got in after failing in only one qualifier. cArn has been there for 9 months and had received no love. I just don't see the difference to be honest.
On July 18 2011 14:31 sealpuncher wrote: I thought that Huk, Haypro, TLO, and Ret all got pity spots on the sole qualification that they were foreign players. They got in after failing in only one qualifier. cArn has been there for 9 months and had received no love. I just don't see the difference to be honest.
They are on Team Liquid and carn has no representation, that seem to be the significant difference. I hope he gets a spot in the gom house, the kids got BALLS going to korea with no support at all.
i really hope carn gets a spot in code A, he's an awesome player and i loved watching him stream all day. he's dedicated and good, glad to see that i wasn't the only one that thought so.
On July 18 2011 04:38 travis wrote: wtf naruto of course effort is the biggest factor
has there ever been any player at the top, any player ever who has been at the absolute top, that didn't practice ALL THE TIME? Who didn't sacrifice everything for bw or sc2?
No, there hasn't - because effort is by far the biggest factor. Like, it's not even close.
The reason there are so many koreans that play so hard is completely because effort is the biggest factor and they know it.
A bad player will become a great player with enough applied effort. A talented player will never become a great player without enough applied effort.
Sure, the guy at the top will have a combination of huge amounts of talent and huge amounts of applied effort. But that's why he is at the top.. cuz he has it all.
Effort is the biggest factor in getting good, but not the biggest factor you should consider when you actually have to pick someone for something like Code A. If you want to go back to Broodwar, take yosh for example. A player that really didn't play a lot, but he was fucking good for the amount he played. Same with Mondragon. Effort means you have the passion but it doesn't mean you will have success.
You are saying it yourself, there are SO MANY KOREANS that play so hard and give up completely everything, yet a lot of those Koreans never manage to break into the proscene. I have huge respect of someone who gives up everything, has so much passion and devotes everything to the game, but it should not be a reason to take away a CodeA spot from a potentially much better player that doesn't play as much.
Some people are naturally gifted in understanding the game and they have to put less effort and time in the game and they can still be good. I understand what you want to say, but I think you totally missunderstood me.
On July 18 2011 14:31 sealpuncher wrote: I thought that Huk, Haypro, TLO, and Ret all got pity spots on the sole qualification that they were foreign players. They got in after failing in only one qualifier. cArn has been there for 9 months and had received no love. I just don't see the difference to be honest.
TLO qualified for season 1 and season 2 before deciding to leave korea before season 3. Ret qualified for season 3 and qualified for code A in GSL January. He later got an invite to code a after getting knocked out in the first season. Haypro and HUk bith got invites.
On July 16 2011 05:55 Naniwa wrote: perhaps i was too blunt, i simply mean that he shouldnt get a spot out of pity, there are 10000 koreans training their hearts out aswell for a spot in code a.
but hey, thats just what i think ;p
Says the man you get the free A code seeding.
If you're that good, just go code B and make your way to earn your A spot.
On July 16 2011 05:55 Naniwa wrote: perhaps i was too blunt, i simply mean that he shouldnt get a spot out of pity, there are 10000 koreans training their hearts out aswell for a spot in code a.
but hey, thats just what i think ;p
Says the man you get the free A code seeding.
If you're that good, just go code B and make your way to earn your A spot.
Naniwa won MLG Dallas, placed 2nd at the HomeStoryCup (where he did beat MC) and placed 2nd in TSL. Thats 3 at least top 2 placements in 3 major tournaments. I'd say its more then fair to invite him.
On July 16 2011 05:55 Naniwa wrote: perhaps i was too blunt, i simply mean that he shouldnt get a spot out of pity, there are 10000 koreans training their hearts out aswell for a spot in code a.
but hey, thats just what i think ;p
Says the man you get the free A code seeding.
If you're that good, just go code B and make your way to earn your A spot.
Naniwa won MLG Dallas, placed 2nd at the HomeStoryCup (where he did beat MC) and placed 2nd in TSL. Thats 3 at least top 2 placements in 3 major tournaments. I'd say its more then fair to invite him.
This. I respect cArn for giving it all, but if he wants a free invite, no one is stopping him from attending MLG etc and earning it. He's living in Korea playing like a Korean, and like all Koreans, to get to Code A he has to deal with Code B.
On July 16 2011 05:55 Naniwa wrote: perhaps i was too blunt, i simply mean that he shouldnt get a spot out of pity, there are 10000 koreans training their hearts out aswell for a spot in code a.
but hey, thats just what i think ;p
Says the man you get the free A code seeding.
If you're that good, just go code B and make your way to earn your A spot.
Naniwa won MLG Dallas, placed 2nd at the HomeStoryCup (where he did beat MC) and placed 2nd in TSL. Thats 3 at least top 2 placements in 3 major tournaments. I'd say its more then fair to invite him.
He still couldn't qualify by himself and there are probably a lot of koreans who could have finished top 6 in MLG Colombus.
On July 16 2011 05:55 Naniwa wrote: perhaps i was too blunt, i simply mean that he shouldnt get a spot out of pity, there are 10000 koreans training their hearts out aswell for a spot in code a.
but hey, thats just what i think ;p
Says the man you get the free A code seeding.
If you're that good, just go code B and make your way to earn your A spot.
Naniwa won MLG Dallas, placed 2nd at the HomeStoryCup (where he did beat MC) and placed 2nd in TSL. Thats 3 at least top 2 placements in 3 major tournaments. I'd say its more then fair to invite him.
He still couldn't qualify by himself and there are probably a lot of koreans who could have finished top 6 in MLG Colombus.
I don't know. Did Naniwa play Code-A qualifiers? If not, how can you say he could not probably go through it? And in the end, it doesn't matter. Naniwa proofed that he is capable of even beating GSL winners with MC.. If its so easy to get a free spot - then cArn should go and win a MLG tournament-_-.
On July 16 2011 05:55 Naniwa wrote: perhaps i was too blunt, i simply mean that he shouldnt get a spot out of pity, there are 10000 koreans training their hearts out aswell for a spot in code a.
but hey, thats just what i think ;p
Says the man you get the free A code seeding.
If you're that good, just go code B and make your way to earn your A spot.
Why do people have such a hard time understanding the idea behind the foreign invites? The invites make perfect sense seeing as you just can't do all the tournaments all around the world. Naniwa had chosen to compete in the west, carn has chosen to compete in korea. In his scene, Naniwa has shown his absolute awesomeness and is clearly one of the best western players. The invites are to allow players who have proven themselves in a different scene to show their skills in Korea. Carn, on the other hand has chosen to compete in the Korean scene. There he hasn't managed to show any actual results. It doesn't make sense to give him such an invite. That just isn't what they are there for. It isn't combining the scenes or anything seeing as carn is part of the korean scene. He made the choice to compete on the same level as the Koreans there, so that is what he gets. I really really hope he makes it though, that would be so awesome. I wish him all the best.
Ok I think I have to clarify some things so everyone is on the same page.
I played in 3 code A qualifiers :
The first was when Spades was here, I did terrible, lost 0-2 first round, wasn't prepared at all.
The second one, I had close to 2 weeks to prepare, and I remember HayprO and mOOnGLaDe played too. In this one I got to the semi-finals of my bracket, which is round 4 I believe, and lost. It was close series and lost because I made an error of judgement, didn't realise how far ahead I was in the first map and didn't go for the kill nor played safe so I got caught offguard by a very risky move.
The last one where FXO came, I was really expecting to qualify, I had more than a month to prepare and was practising hardcore all that time (that's when I started streaming often around 10-12 hours a day). However I botched it and lost 1-2 in round 2 against ZeNEXNaYa, and was furious about it. I won very easily my first set against a protoss 2-0, then played NaYa, won the first map easily, and then I was like oh my god this is so easy this time, I'm actually going to make it, but I let my nerves get the better of me in the rest of the series. He reacted in a completely unexpected way to my build, it threw me off, tried to adapt while my build doesn't even need to against what he did, and went on tilt. I was even more furious about myself when I found out who I was supposed to play in the next rounds, it was opponents that were not a problem for me usually. I SHOULD have qualified, but I didn't. This time it wasn't me misjudging ingame or anything, it was just me choking, and that's the worst feeling ever. I was about to finally make it but somehow managed to ruin it all.
Anyway that's how my attempts really went, up to you to decide whether it was good or not, for me it was obviously not good enough, only winning it all matters.
I'll just talk really fast about the seeding part. Yes, I'dd prefer by far to qualify myself using my skills as a player rather than the fact that I'm a foreigner in Korea. But no, I wouldn't say no to a free spot in code A, I've already been very close to qualify, I've beaten code A players, I've beaten code S players, I've beaten GSL champions. So yes, I KNOW that I can compete in code A and win games, in fact I'm way more confident about playing in code A than the qualifiers themselves. Would it be fair for Koreans if I got seeded ? No. Was it fair when other foreigners got seeded, not really, and it's still not fair that other foreigners are getting seeded into code A.
Anyway, I have to say that I'm blown away to see this kind of support and really warms my heart. It just gives me even more reasons to do everything I can to actually make it, prove the ones who doubt me wrong, and make the ones who believe in me proud. I'm having a hard time cause I haven't been able to practice the last 2 weeks or so, but I'm gonna find a way to still make it happen. I have to.
Giving carn a free invite is a slap in the face to the more skilled korean players, carn is basically a no namer and would just get rolled.
Also I can't believe people are bringing up how Naniwa got a "free invite", if raping everyone in the foreign scene all day errday isn't enough including people like MC then I don't know what is
On July 16 2011 05:55 Naniwa wrote: perhaps i was too blunt, i simply mean that he shouldnt get a spot out of pity, there are 10000 koreans training their hearts out aswell for a spot in code a.
but hey, thats just what i think ;p
Says the man you get the free A code seeding.
If you're that good, just go code B and make your way to earn your A spot.
Naniwa won MLG Dallas, placed 2nd at the HomeStoryCup (where he did beat MC) and placed 2nd in TSL. Thats 3 at least top 2 placements in 3 major tournaments. I'd say its more then fair to invite him.
He still couldn't qualify by himself and there are probably a lot of koreans who could have finished top 6 in MLG Colombus.
I don't know. Did Naniwa play Code-A qualifiers? If not, how can you say he could not probably go through it? And in the end, it doesn't matter. Naniwa proofed that he is capable of even beating GSL winners with MC.. If its so easy to get a free spot - then cArn should go and win a MLG tournament-_-.
PuMa won NASL and has never qualified in GSL afaik... I'm not saying it is easy to get a free spot, I'm saying that it's unfair to give free spots for MLG placements, but if they are doing it anyways and that they want foreigners, they could have invited cArn and not Sheth for example (who was invited for placing 14th in MLG if I'm not mistaken?)
On July 16 2011 05:55 Naniwa wrote: perhaps i was too blunt, i simply mean that he shouldnt get a spot out of pity, there are 10000 koreans training their hearts out aswell for a spot in code a.
but hey, thats just what i think ;p
Says the man you get the free A code seeding.
If you're that good, just go code B and make your way to earn your A spot.
Naniwa won MLG Dallas, placed 2nd at the HomeStoryCup (where he did beat MC) and placed 2nd in TSL. Thats 3 at least top 2 placements in 3 major tournaments. I'd say its more then fair to invite him.
He still couldn't qualify by himself and there are probably a lot of koreans who could have finished top 6 in MLG Colombus.
I don't know. Did Naniwa play Code-A qualifiers? If not, how can you say he could not probably go through it? And in the end, it doesn't matter. Naniwa proofed that he is capable of even beating GSL winners with MC.. If its so easy to get a free spot - then cArn should go and win a MLG tournament-_-.
PuMa won NASL and has never qualified in GSL afaik... I'm not saying it is easy to get a free spot, I'm saying that it's unfair to give free spots for MLG placements, but if they are doing it anyways and that they want foreigners, they could have invited cArn and not Sheth for example (who was invited for placing 14th in MLG if I'm not mistaken?)
On July 16 2011 05:55 Naniwa wrote: perhaps i was too blunt, i simply mean that he shouldnt get a spot out of pity, there are 10000 koreans training their hearts out aswell for a spot in code a.
but hey, thats just what i think ;p
Says the man you get the free A code seeding.
If you're that good, just go code B and make your way to earn your A spot.
Naniwa won MLG Dallas, placed 2nd at the HomeStoryCup (where he did beat MC) and placed 2nd in TSL. Thats 3 at least top 2 placements in 3 major tournaments. I'd say its more then fair to invite him.
He still couldn't qualify by himself and there are probably a lot of koreans who could have finished top 6 in MLG Colombus.
I don't know. Did Naniwa play Code-A qualifiers? If not, how can you say he could not probably go through it? And in the end, it doesn't matter. Naniwa proofed that he is capable of even beating GSL winners with MC.. If its so easy to get a free spot - then cArn should go and win a MLG tournament-_-.
PuMa won NASL and has never qualified in GSL afaik... I'm not saying it is easy to get a free spot, I'm saying that it's unfair to give free spots for MLG placements, but if they are doing it anyways and that they want foreigners, they could have invited cArn and not Sheth for example (who was invited for placing 14th in MLG if I'm not mistaken?)
Sheths invite was unrelated to MLG..
Dunno, then Haypro, Moonglade invites etc, it's the same, they were giving free spots to foreigners.
Naruto just hating on cArn because cArn is better :V
Anyways, I wish you all the best cArn! You're an actual inspiration, seeing as how you gave it all up just to be able to play in the GSL! cArn hwaiting!!
On July 18 2011 19:48 twiitar wrote: Naruto just hating on cArn because cArn is better :V
Anyways, I wish you all the best cArn! You're an actual inspiration, seeing as how you gave it all up just to be able to play in the GSL! cArn hwaiting!!
He isn't hating on cArn and I agree with him. GOM shouldn't give players a Code A spot just because of their dedication and their sacrifices.
On July 16 2011 05:55 Naniwa wrote: perhaps i was too blunt, i simply mean that he shouldnt get a spot out of pity, there are 10000 koreans training their hearts out aswell for a spot in code a.
but hey, thats just what i think ;p
Says the man you get the free A code seeding.
If you're that good, just go code B and make your way to earn your A spot.
Naniwa won MLG Dallas, placed 2nd at the HomeStoryCup (where he did beat MC) and placed 2nd in TSL. Thats 3 at least top 2 placements in 3 major tournaments. I'd say its more then fair to invite him.
He still couldn't qualify by himself and there are probably a lot of koreans who could have finished top 6 in MLG Colombus.
I don't know. Did Naniwa play Code-A qualifiers? If not, how can you say he could not probably go through it? And in the end, it doesn't matter. Naniwa proofed that he is capable of even beating GSL winners with MC.. If its so easy to get a free spot - then cArn should go and win a MLG tournament-_-.
PuMa won NASL and has never qualified in GSL afaik... I'm not saying it is easy to get a free spot, I'm saying that it's unfair to give free spots for MLG placements, but if they are doing it anyways and that they want foreigners, they could have invited cArn and not Sheth for example (who was invited for placing 14th in MLG if I'm not mistaken?)
Puma is an ex BW A team progamer, what is carn?
SC2 is not BW, but he does have more achievements than cArn in SC2 I have to admit.
I met cArn- when I had no idea who he was (and he probably doesn't know me either :-). At the time I couldn't even believe there was another foreigner just trying to qualify without a team, press, or in fact anybody knowing anything about him.
He is a great guy and I can only recommend everyone to tune into his stream for some gosu Terran action. All the best cArn- keep on fighting!
On July 18 2011 19:48 twiitar wrote: Naruto just hating on cArn because cArn is better :V
Anyways, I wish you all the best cArn! You're an actual inspiration, seeing as how you gave it all up just to be able to play in the GSL! cArn hwaiting!!
How do I hate on cArn? I deeply respect his passion and that he devotes everything into the game. I wish I could play as much and with all the koreans, but I have my friends, family and I favor that over giving up my complete life, since I think I can train here and become a decent player as well.
No GSL champ nor anything, but on national and EU level at least. Seriously, some persons can't read it seems. I've never said anything bad about cArn.
On July 18 2011 20:04 zachMEISTER wrote: same cArn from CS? I'm sorry, I just recognize aliases...
It's a different Carn.
Also, I had a chance to meet Carn while I was in Korea last fall and it was really inspiring to see someone come from another country to follow their dreams (Carefoot and GimbleB included ) ). It's a daunting thing to move to a place with a very different culture, a foreign language(foreign to you), and not have a stable job or housing. Mad props to Carn.
He hasn't qualified for Code A but from what I've seen he's an incredible player; I really hope he shoots for it again. He's got my support.
And for those saying that not in Code A = bad player, I'd disagree. DRG by himself, to me at least, proves you can be a very talented player and have a difficult time in the qualifiers for Code A.
Having said that, I would argue against being gifted a spot in Code A for Carn. He's worked so hard for it, I feel like it cheapens all his work if he's just given the spot. He went to Korea to compete with the best of the best and be taken seriously as a competitive Starcraft II player. To achieve that ambition, he's gotta get through the qualifiers like any other Korean player.
On July 18 2011 19:34 cArn- wrote: Ok I think I have to clarify some things so everyone is on the same page.
I played in 3 code A qualifiers :
The first was when Spades was here, I did terrible, lost 0-2 first round, wasn't prepared at all.
The second one, I had close to 2 weeks to prepare, and I remember HayprO and mOOnGLaDe played too. In this one I got to the semi-finals of my bracket, which is round 4 I believe, and lost. It was close series and lost because I made an error of judgement, didn't realise how far ahead I was in the first map and didn't go for the kill nor played safe so I got caught offguard by a very risky move.
The last one where FXO came, I was really expecting to qualify, I had more than a month to prepare and was practising hardcore all that time (that's when I started streaming often around 10-12 hours a day). However I botched it and lost 1-2 in round 2 against ZeNEXNaYa, and was furious about it. I won very easily my first set against a protoss 2-0, then played NaYa, won the first map easily, and then I was like oh my god this is so easy this time, I'm actually going to make it, but I let my nerves get the better of me in the rest of the series. He reacted in a completely unexpected way to my build, it threw me off, tried to adapt while my build doesn't even need to against what he did, and went on tilt. I was even more furious about myself when I found out who I was supposed to play in the next rounds, it was opponents that were not a problem for me usually. I SHOULD have qualified, but I didn't. This time it wasn't me misjudging ingame or anything, it was just me choking, and that's the worst feeling ever. I was about to finally make it but somehow managed to ruin it all.
Anyway that's how my attempts really went, up to you to decide whether it was good or not, for me it was obviously not good enough, only winning it all matters.
I'll just talk really fast about the seeding part. Yes, I'dd prefer by far to qualify myself using my skills as a player rather than the fact that I'm a foreigner in Korea. But no, I wouldn't say no to a free spot in code A, I've already been very close to qualify, I've beaten code A players, I've beaten code S players, I've beaten GSL champions. So yes, I KNOW that I can compete in code A and win games, in fact I'm way more confident about playing in code A than the qualifiers themselves. Would it be fair for Koreans if I got seeded ? No. Was it fair when other foreigners got seeded, not really, and it's still not fair that other foreigners are getting seeded into code A.
Anyway, I have to say that I'm blown away to see this kind of support and really warms my heart. It just gives me even more reasons to do everything I can to actually make it, prove the ones who doubt me wrong, and make the ones who believe in me proud. I'm having a hard time cause I haven't been able to practice the last 2 weeks or so, but I'm gonna find a way to still make it happen. I have to.
Thanks everyone
cArn, I just want to say that you have immense support and respect from me. Your kind of dedication is exactly what forges champions. Know that not many people have even half of the willpower that you have. Sheth, for example, with the support of his team couldn't even last a month. Keep going for your dream man, I'm sure you will not only make it into code A this time, but you will become a true champion.
Also, I hope you enjoy this piece of inspirational music + Show Spoiler +
Did Artosis have an interview with cArn-? I might remember an interview from 2010 where Artosis interviewed a couple people. Is he an old shooter player? Starting to play SCII because it was more solo orientated?
Or was he the other guy Artosis interviewed? Or am I completely wrong here.
Anyway, if GSL doesn't work out. Maybe cArn- should try to play some foreigner tournaments now, and try to get picked up in a good foreign team. Then try for GSL again. Being alone in Korea sounds pretty scary.
Huge respect, didn't realize you stayed for this long, haven't watched your stream or anything but this kind of dedication will hopefully forge one of the best foreign terrans in the world, at least.
On July 16 2011 07:10 Otolia wrote: It's funny how people trust the korean way. What will you do when he will come back in EU and get crushed ?
On a side note : Stop praising him, stupidity (yes it's stupid and selfish to leave your friends and your family behind to pursue your dream) should not be encourage. We don't need martyr, we need models. Being reckless and failing or being reckless and being offered a Coda A spot isn't what the scene needs. It needs more partnership, more joint trainings and more regional qualifiers.
That logic is so retarded that it's not even funny. cArn is a player who is trying to improve his game as much as possible, rather than playing for money. How is that selfish? How is that not being a role model for other players?
Like really, did you even think before you started typing that? cArn has nothing to do with "the scene," unless you're asking him to sit at home twiddling his thumbs playing with lower caliber players until we magically start making partnerships with Korean organizations; although it'd already be too late by then, as the Korean level of skill would have far surpassed the foreigners like it has/did in BW.
He definitely shouldn't have been kicked out of the GOM house. I don't believe free spots should be given to anyone out of pity or because they look like an amazing player - but to kick him out is definitely too much.
On July 16 2011 05:50 FreezerJumps wrote: If he doesn't win the qualifier, then he's not entitled to enter Code A. Lots of people have come close, but do they all deserve Code A spots? No.
Well what is the point of the 'Foreigner spot'? They don't need to go through the qualifiers do they.. I don't think cArn should just be gifted a spot in Code-A either but I do think he should be picked up by a team in Korea, wasn't he meant to join fOu a while back? Could mean something now that fOu is now FXO...
On July 16 2011 05:50 FreezerJumps wrote: If he doesn't win the qualifier, then he's not entitled to enter Code A. Lots of people have come close, but do they all deserve Code A spots? No.
Well what is the point of the 'Foreigner spot'? They don't need to go through the qualifiers do they.. I don't think cArn should just be gifted a spot in Code-A either but I do think he should be picked up by a team in Korea, wasn't he meant to join fOu a while back? Could mean something now that fOu is now FXO...
I think I heard him say that he was in talk with the old fOu manager and that he was close to being part of the team then the old manager quit or something. Not to sure about the details, so take it with a grain of salt.
Yes cArn has been trying really hard and I admire his courage. But he made the choice of going to Korea without any RTS experience. Just because he has been courageous doesn't mean we should all baby sit him. I feel this is all more charity then anything else >_>
On July 18 2011 21:42 Koshi wrote: Did Artosis have an interview with cArn-? I might remember an interview from 2010 where Artosis interviewed a couple people. Is he an old shooter player? Starting to play SCII because it was more solo orientated?
Or was he the other guy Artosis interviewed? Or am I completely wrong here.
Anyway, if GSL doesn't work out. Maybe cArn- should try to play some foreigner tournaments now, and try to get picked up in a good foreign team. Then try for GSL again. Being alone in Korea sounds pretty scary.
it was one of the Open Season GSL Qualifiers Video. Either for GSL 1 or 2 (i believe it was 2).
On July 16 2011 05:50 FreezerJumps wrote: If he doesn't win the qualifier, then he's not entitled to enter Code A. Lots of people have come close, but do they all deserve Code A spots? No.
Well what is the point of the 'Foreigner spot'? They don't need to go through the qualifiers do they.. I don't think cArn should just be gifted a spot in Code-A either but I do think he should be picked up by a team in Korea, wasn't he meant to join fOu a while back? Could mean something now that fOu is now FXO...
I think I heard him say that he was in talk with the old fOu manager and that he was close to being part of the team then the old manager quit or something. Not to sure about the details, so take it with a grain of salt.
I really love cArn as a player; and have a ton of respect for anyone that will put that much on the line for what they love. If CheckSix had the ability at this time, we would love to be able to support him. But any other team should be happy to have him. Best of luck dude.
Just because he's stuck it out in korea for so long doesn't mean he deserves a foreigner spot in Code A.. how many qualifiers has he attempted? It must be half a dozen by now.. and despite any results in any tournaments, and trying and failing continuously to qualify for Code A, GOM let him live at the GOM house temporarily, until the space was needed for other people..
Rather than a pity post for cArn, you've made a post that is kind of attacking GOM, acting like they threw him out on the street and are being overly stingy with their foreigner Code A spots, even though cArn has shown no results..
It's also funny you bring up the fact that cArn gave up his "job, friends, family" etc.. no one asked him to attempt to be a pro gamer, and no one asked him to travel to Korea without the support of a team.. overall, while there may be a level of passion involved that is admirable, it seems like cArn has made some irresponsible decisions and should probably go home and get his life together.
Tried and failed.. I'm sure he's a great guy, but this is nothing more than a story to tell people down the road when he's living a normal life. Pro gaming is a lot about dedication, and it certainly sounds like cArn has that; but it's also about talent and luck, and maybe he's light in those areas..
well i guess it would be nice for him to get the spot. Does sound like he went through a lot but I think if he can maybe try and get to an MLG and show some skill there maybe something will happen. Also maybe try and join a team, im sure FXO or one of the Korean teams might just take him in.
On July 19 2011 04:28 moxley wrote: Just because he's stuck it out in korea for so long doesn't mean he deserves a foreigner spot in Code A.. how many qualifiers has he attempted? It must be half a dozen by now.. and despite any results in any tournaments, and trying and failing continuously to qualify for Code A, GOM let him live at the GOM house temporarily, until the space was needed for other people..
Rather than a pity post for cArn, you've made a post that is kind of attacking GOM, acting like they threw him out on the street and are being overly stingy with their foreigner Code A spots, even though cArn has shown no results..
It's also funny you bring up the fact that cArn gave up his "job, friends, family" etc.. no one asked him to attempt to be a pro gamer, and no one asked him to travel to Korea without the support of a team.. overall, while there may be a level of passion involved that is admirable, it seems like cArn has made some irresponsible decisions and should probably go home and get his life together.
Tried and failed.. I'm sure he's a great guy, but this is nothing more than a story to tell people down the road when he's living a normal life. Pro gaming is a lot about dedication, and it certainly sounds like cArn has that; but it's also about talent and luck, and maybe he's light in those areas..
You should really read a thread before you post your opinions, just common courtesy...
cArn has already posted earlier in the thread explaining his situation in Korea.
Should just take it easy before you talk about stuff you obviously don't know.
On July 18 2011 19:34 cArn- wrote: Ok I think I have to clarify some things so everyone is on the same page.
I played in 3 code A qualifiers :
The first was when Spades was here, I did terrible, lost 0-2 first round, wasn't prepared at all.
The second one, I had close to 2 weeks to prepare, and I remember HayprO and mOOnGLaDe played too. In this one I got to the semi-finals of my bracket, which is round 4 I believe, and lost. It was close series and lost because I made an error of judgement, didn't realise how far ahead I was in the first map and didn't go for the kill nor played safe so I got caught offguard by a very risky move.
The last one where FXO came, I was really expecting to qualify, I had more than a month to prepare and was practising hardcore all that time (that's when I started streaming often around 10-12 hours a day). However I botched it and lost 1-2 in round 2 against ZeNEXNaYa, and was furious about it. I won very easily my first set against a protoss 2-0, then played NaYa, won the first map easily, and then I was like oh my god this is so easy this time, I'm actually going to make it, but I let my nerves get the better of me in the rest of the series. He reacted in a completely unexpected way to my build, it threw me off, tried to adapt while my build doesn't even need to against what he did, and went on tilt. I was even more furious about myself when I found out who I was supposed to play in the next rounds, it was opponents that were not a problem for me usually. I SHOULD have qualified, but I didn't. This time it wasn't me misjudging ingame or anything, it was just me choking, and that's the worst feeling ever. I was about to finally make it but somehow managed to ruin it all.
Anyway that's how my attempts really went, up to you to decide whether it was good or not, for me it was obviously not good enough, only winning it all matters.
I'll just talk really fast about the seeding part. Yes, I'dd prefer by far to qualify myself using my skills as a player rather than the fact that I'm a foreigner in Korea. But no, I wouldn't say no to a free spot in code A, I've already been very close to qualify, I've beaten code A players, I've beaten code S players, I've beaten GSL champions. So yes, I KNOW that I can compete in code A and win games, in fact I'm way more confident about playing in code A than the qualifiers themselves. Would it be fair for Koreans if I got seeded ? No. Was it fair when other foreigners got seeded, not really, and it's still not fair that other foreigners are getting seeded into code A.
Anyway, I have to say that I'm blown away to see this kind of support and really warms my heart. It just gives me even more reasons to do everything I can to actually make it, prove the ones who doubt me wrong, and make the ones who believe in me proud. I'm having a hard time cause I haven't been able to practice the last 2 weeks or so, but I'm gonna find a way to still make it happen. I have to.
Hopefully cArn can make it all the way into Code A! He's been practicing in Korea for a while, one of these times he's bound to get in! Also his stream has the best music ever haha
I don't really think a Code A spot should be given to him for free, but he really seems good enough for a team to pick him up. I hope this thread does improve his chances (maybe the new FXO korea would give him a spot on the team?).
I'm just surpirsed that cArn hasn't been picked up by a team yet (or has he?). I mean, he's a foreigner living and practicing in Korea, he's bound to be really good, especially by foreign standards.
i never really liked the guy, he didnt give me a good first impression, as a counter strike player and fan it bothers the hell out of me that hes named carn(one of counter strikes all time greats). On top of that i knew he was in korea for mothts and really didnt make any kind of splash. But hearing that he never really played any kind of rts, maybe that is to be expected. Good luck though, hard work does pay off. That being said, im not about to jump aboard the sympathie train just yet.
He was given free oportunity to play in korea, which many players in his position would dream of, he said himself he did stupid mistakes in qualifier, yet he still "demands" something ? If he would prepare mentally and not be overconfident (sorry how can you be overconfident when you are preparing for something for half a year or more, to throw it away again?). Your mistakes are inexcusable, because you chose your road by yourself, and you should know it from the starts its not gonna be easy.
My mom would be actress if not for her vocal cords, she failed exam in theatre school. Deal with it or train hard and prove us wrong.
well, if fxo move to the ex-fou house, then carn can go back to the GOMHouse? I hope so, and i hope he qualifes for the next code A, I'm rly cheering for you cArn! Good luck!
On July 19 2011 06:10 bgx wrote: He was given free oportunity to play in korea, which many players in his position would dream of, he said himself he did stupid mistakes in qualifier, yet he still "demands" something ? If he would prepare mentally and not be overconfident (sorry how can you be overconfident when you are preparing for something for half a year or more, to throw it away again?). Your mistakes are inexcusable, because you chose your road by yourself, and you should know it from the starts its not gonna be easy.
My mom would be actress if not for her vocal cords, she failed exam in theatre school. Deal with it or train hard and prove us wrong.
Could you show me, where Carn is demanding anything?
I don't think most of the people realized you even posted carn. Gl and your hard work will pay off. You got a ton of respect from me. You got more balls then most of the keyboard warriors living in their moms house. Your turning into a damn good player. GL man and don't give up.
On July 19 2011 05:53 Maenander wrote: I don't really think a Code A spot should be given to him for free, but he really seems good enough for a team to pick him up. I hope this thread does improve his chances (maybe the new FXO korea would give him a spot on the team?).
On July 19 2011 04:28 moxley wrote: Just because he's stuck it out in korea for so long doesn't mean he deserves a foreigner spot in Code A.. how many qualifiers has he attempted? It must be half a dozen by now.. and despite any results in any tournaments, and trying and failing continuously to qualify for Code A, GOM let him live at the GOM house temporarily, until the space was needed for other people..
Rather than a pity post for cArn, you've made a post that is kind of attacking GOM, acting like they threw him out on the street and are being overly stingy with their foreigner Code A spots, even though cArn has shown no results..
It's also funny you bring up the fact that cArn gave up his "job, friends, family" etc.. no one asked him to attempt to be a pro gamer, and no one asked him to travel to Korea without the support of a team.. overall, while there may be a level of passion involved that is admirable, it seems like cArn has made some irresponsible decisions and should probably go home and get his life together.
Tried and failed.. I'm sure he's a great guy, but this is nothing more than a story to tell people down the road when he's living a normal life. Pro gaming is a lot about dedication, and it certainly sounds like cArn has that; but it's also about talent and luck, and maybe he's light in those areas..
You should really read a thread before you post your opinions, just common courtesy...
cArn has already posted earlier in the thread explaining his situation in Korea.
Should just take it easy before you talk about stuff you obviously don't know.
On July 18 2011 19:34 cArn- wrote: Ok I think I have to clarify some things so everyone is on the same page.
I played in 3 code A qualifiers :
The first was when Spades was here, I did terrible, lost 0-2 first round, wasn't prepared at all.
The second one, I had close to 2 weeks to prepare, and I remember HayprO and mOOnGLaDe played too. In this one I got to the semi-finals of my bracket, which is round 4 I believe, and lost. It was close series and lost because I made an error of judgement, didn't realise how far ahead I was in the first map and didn't go for the kill nor played safe so I got caught offguard by a very risky move.
The last one where FXO came, I was really expecting to qualify, I had more than a month to prepare and was practising hardcore all that time (that's when I started streaming often around 10-12 hours a day). However I botched it and lost 1-2 in round 2 against ZeNEXNaYa, and was furious about it. I won very easily my first set against a protoss 2-0, then played NaYa, won the first map easily, and then I was like oh my god this is so easy this time, I'm actually going to make it, but I let my nerves get the better of me in the rest of the series. He reacted in a completely unexpected way to my build, it threw me off, tried to adapt while my build doesn't even need to against what he did, and went on tilt. I was even more furious about myself when I found out who I was supposed to play in the next rounds, it was opponents that were not a problem for me usually. I SHOULD have qualified, but I didn't. This time it wasn't me misjudging ingame or anything, it was just me choking, and that's the worst feeling ever. I was about to finally make it but somehow managed to ruin it all.
Anyway that's how my attempts really went, up to you to decide whether it was good or not, for me it was obviously not good enough, only winning it all matters.
I'll just talk really fast about the seeding part. Yes, I'dd prefer by far to qualify myself using my skills as a player rather than the fact that I'm a foreigner in Korea. But no, I wouldn't say no to a free spot in code A, I've already been very close to qualify, I've beaten code A players, I've beaten code S players, I've beaten GSL champions. So yes, I KNOW that I can compete in code A and win games, in fact I'm way more confident about playing in code A than the qualifiers themselves. Would it be fair for Koreans if I got seeded ? No. Was it fair when other foreigners got seeded, not really, and it's still not fair that other foreigners are getting seeded into code A.
Anyway, I have to say that I'm blown away to see this kind of support and really warms my heart. It just gives me even more reasons to do everything I can to actually make it, prove the ones who doubt me wrong, and make the ones who believe in me proud. I'm having a hard time cause I haven't been able to practice the last 2 weeks or so, but I'm gonna find a way to still make it happen. I have to.
Thanks everyone
Please show me what parts of cArn's post discounted my statements other than him only having played in 3 code A qualifiers, rather than 6.. to clarify my point, I was counting code A and code S qualifiers.. remember, he was there back when Artosis was doing the original code S qualification coverage..
On July 19 2011 06:10 bgx wrote: He was given free oportunity to play in korea, which many players in his position would dream of, he said himself he did stupid mistakes in qualifier, yet he still "demands" something ? If he would prepare mentally and not be overconfident (sorry how can you be overconfident when you are preparing for something for half a year or more, to throw it away again?). Your mistakes are inexcusable, because you chose your road by yourself, and you should know it from the starts its not gonna be easy.
My mom would be actress if not for her vocal cords, she failed exam in theatre school. Deal with it or train hard and prove us wrong.
I think you may have misunderstood him. In reading his post I didn't see him demanding anything. He was explaining to us what had happened from when he got to Korea till now and if he was demanding anything at all, it was of himself.
Also, I'm not sure about you but it seems very easy to me that he could become overconfident. Imagine if you packed up your bags tomorrow and left for Korea. You arrived, not knowing the language or the culture, only the desire to play the best Starcraft you possible can. You try to get into the Premier SCII league and fail. So you train hard in Korea, having found a place to live by yourself, still away from all your friends and family, and you don't make the next qualifier you try for. You redouble your efforts and sweat blood and tears to be ready. You arrive on the qualifying day, feeling nervous but also excited. You breeze through your first match. You tear through teh second. It seems perfectly logical to me that all the expectation you built up since arriving amd all the hard work you've put in go to your head as you think you might finally do it. Your competition is really easy, you think to yourself: all the hard work has finally payed off, I'm gonna get my shot at making it big.
If you gleened anything from Carn's post, it was probably how much pressure he puts on himself and how high his expectations are. So imagine living like that for months and finally getting a chance at what you've been striving for. He let that feeling of pre-mature satisfaction get to his head for a second and it cost him a chance at Code A.
I'm not sure where you come to the conclusion that his mistakes are inexcusable but at least from my perspective, they were mistakes but mistakes many other people would have made. He's human like the rest of us.
It sounds to me like you may be mixing the OP and Carn's post together some. The OP was a fan and friend of Carn's who wanted to create a thread documenting his journey. Carn's post was very different; it was to clarify some of the things asserted in the OP.
On July 18 2011 14:31 sealpuncher wrote: I thought that Huk, Haypro, TLO, and Ret all got pity spots on the sole qualification that they were foreign players. They got in after failing in only one qualifier. cArn has been there for 9 months and had received no love. I just don't see the difference to be honest.
TLO qualified for season 1 and season 2 before deciding to leave korea before season 3. Ret qualified for season 3 and qualified for code A in GSL January. He later got an invite to code a after getting knocked out in the first season. Haypro and HUk bith got invites.
Wow hating on Haypro Hayders gonna hate! He qualified for Season 3 the first foreign player to do so! Got cheesed by your favorite player Bitbybit.
On July 18 2011 14:31 sealpuncher wrote: I thought that Huk, Haypro, TLO, and Ret all got pity spots on the sole qualification that they were foreign players. They got in after failing in only one qualifier. cArn has been there for 9 months and had received no love. I just don't see the difference to be honest.
TLO qualified for season 1 and season 2 before deciding to leave korea before season 3. Ret qualified for season 3 and qualified for code A in GSL January. He later got an invite to code a after getting knocked out in the first season. Haypro and HUk bith got invites.
Wow hating on Haypro Hayders gonna hate! He qualified for Season 3 the first foreign player to do so! Got cheesed by your favorite player Bitbybit.
On July 18 2011 14:31 sealpuncher wrote: I thought that Huk, Haypro, TLO, and Ret all got pity spots on the sole qualification that they were foreign players. They got in after failing in only one qualifier. cArn has been there for 9 months and had received no love. I just don't see the difference to be honest.
TLO qualified for season 1 and season 2 before deciding to leave korea before season 3. Ret qualified for season 3 and qualified for code A in GSL January. He later got an invite to code a after getting knocked out in the first season. Haypro and HUk bith got invites.
Wow hating on Haypro Hayders gonna hate! He qualified for Season 3 the first foreign player to do so! Got cheesed by your favorite player Bitbybit.
From what i remember he got an Invite
Likewise. Checked up on it though and yeah Haypro did qualify for open season 3 with 3/4 other foreigners. The open season qualifiers isn't exactly comparable to the Code A ones though, considering a foreigner has yet to qualify into that.
On July 18 2011 14:31 sealpuncher wrote: I thought that Huk, Haypro, TLO, and Ret all got pity spots on the sole qualification that they were foreign players. They got in after failing in only one qualifier. cArn has been there for 9 months and had received no love. I just don't see the difference to be honest.
TLO qualified for season 1 and season 2 before deciding to leave korea before season 3. Ret qualified for season 3 and qualified for code A in GSL January. He later got an invite to code a after getting knocked out in the first season. Haypro and HUk bith got invites.
Wow hating on Haypro Hayders gonna hate! He qualified for Season 3 the first foreign player to do so! Got cheesed by your favorite player Bitbybit.
From what i remember he got an Invite
Likewise. Checked up on it though and yeah Haypro did qualify for open season 3 with 3/4 other foreigners. The open season qualifiers isn't exactly comparable to the Code A ones though, considering a foreigner has yet to qualify into that.
yep in the opens there were 64 spots open though. no seeds. He qualified while HuK didn't that season.
so what you are saying is that if i go to korea and try qualify for gsl over and over again but still fail i deserve a spot in the gom house and foreign invite to code a? i dont even have to prove myself? sounds sweet. im sure id be willing to take some rough months for that. free entry into progaming world with all benefits. hell yeah.
He has been living in korea, in the gom house, with practice partners...an ideal environment for a SC2 player and still havent made it into Code A after several tries. How should this be deserving of a code a spot? Maybe if he lived and played from a cardboard box he would deserve a pity spot, but not with these circumstances. its obvious he is not good enough. if being a nice and dedicated guy was enough to get into Code A than there would be even tougher competition to get in
On July 19 2011 12:00 cfnz wrote: He has been living in korea, in the gom house, with practice partners...an ideal environment for a SC2 player and still havent made it into Code A after several tries. How should this be deserving of a code a spot? Maybe if he lived and played from a cardboard box he would deserve a pity spot, but not with these circumstances. its obvious he is not good enough. if being a nice and dedicated guy was enough to get into Code A than there would be even tougher competition to get in
I don't get why you guys don't read the thread, He has posted he rather qualify than take a free code a spot... and that's what he plans to do unless something surprises him. He will continue his goal, and that is to win.
I'd watched his stream and i think he is at around the skill level with Haypro. but Haypro trains with oGs.TL and cArn trains with Kr B.Net... He should of participate non Korean comps and get a few titles under his name, and than do a HuK to get into code A as foreigners.
all in all, i wish i have half of his sprits and dedication towards sc2 lol /respect!
Keep it up bro! DO IT THE HARD WAY AND WALK OUT GOM WITH FRANCH PRIDE lol~~
On July 19 2011 15:09 motiust wrote: I'd watched his stream and i think he is at around the skill level with Haypro. but Haypro trains with oGs.TL and cArn trains with Kr B.Net... He should of participate non Korean comps and get a few titles under his name, and than do a HuK to get into code A as foreigners.
all in all, i wish i have half of his sprits and dedication towards sc2 lol /respect!
Keep it up bro! DO IT THE HARD WAY AND WALK OUT GOM WITH FRANCH PRIDE lol~~
participating in those non korean competitions seems do wonders for haypro.
On July 19 2011 04:28 moxley wrote: Just because he's stuck it out in korea for so long doesn't mean he deserves a foreigner spot in Code A.. how many qualifiers has he attempted? It must be half a dozen by now.. and despite any results in any tournaments, and trying and failing continuously to qualify for Code A, GOM let him live at the GOM house temporarily, until the space was needed for other people..
Rather than a pity post for cArn, you've made a post that is kind of attacking GOM, acting like they threw him out on the street and are being overly stingy with their foreigner Code A spots, even though cArn has shown no results..
It's also funny you bring up the fact that cArn gave up his "job, friends, family" etc.. no one asked him to attempt to be a pro gamer, and no one asked him to travel to Korea without the support of a team.. overall, while there may be a level of passion involved that is admirable, it seems like cArn has made some irresponsible decisions and should probably go home and get his life together.
Tried and failed.. I'm sure he's a great guy, but this is nothing more than a story to tell people down the road when he's living a normal life. Pro gaming is a lot about dedication, and it certainly sounds like cArn has that; but it's also about talent and luck, and maybe he's light in those areas..
You should really read a thread before you post your opinions, just common courtesy...
cArn has already posted earlier in the thread explaining his situation in Korea.
Should just take it easy before you talk about stuff you obviously don't know.
On July 18 2011 19:34 cArn- wrote: Ok I think I have to clarify some things so everyone is on the same page.
I played in 3 code A qualifiers :
The first was when Spades was here, I did terrible, lost 0-2 first round, wasn't prepared at all.
The second one, I had close to 2 weeks to prepare, and I remember HayprO and mOOnGLaDe played too. In this one I got to the semi-finals of my bracket, which is round 4 I believe, and lost. It was close series and lost because I made an error of judgement, didn't realise how far ahead I was in the first map and didn't go for the kill nor played safe so I got caught offguard by a very risky move.
The last one where FXO came, I was really expecting to qualify, I had more than a month to prepare and was practising hardcore all that time (that's when I started streaming often around 10-12 hours a day). However I botched it and lost 1-2 in round 2 against ZeNEXNaYa, and was furious about it. I won very easily my first set against a protoss 2-0, then played NaYa, won the first map easily, and then I was like oh my god this is so easy this time, I'm actually going to make it, but I let my nerves get the better of me in the rest of the series. He reacted in a completely unexpected way to my build, it threw me off, tried to adapt while my build doesn't even need to against what he did, and went on tilt. I was even more furious about myself when I found out who I was supposed to play in the next rounds, it was opponents that were not a problem for me usually. I SHOULD have qualified, but I didn't. This time it wasn't me misjudging ingame or anything, it was just me choking, and that's the worst feeling ever. I was about to finally make it but somehow managed to ruin it all.
Anyway that's how my attempts really went, up to you to decide whether it was good or not, for me it was obviously not good enough, only winning it all matters.
I'll just talk really fast about the seeding part. Yes, I'dd prefer by far to qualify myself using my skills as a player rather than the fact that I'm a foreigner in Korea. But no, I wouldn't say no to a free spot in code A, I've already been very close to qualify, I've beaten code A players, I've beaten code S players, I've beaten GSL champions. So yes, I KNOW that I can compete in code A and win games, in fact I'm way more confident about playing in code A than the qualifiers themselves. Would it be fair for Koreans if I got seeded ? No. Was it fair when other foreigners got seeded, not really, and it's still not fair that other foreigners are getting seeded into code A.
Anyway, I have to say that I'm blown away to see this kind of support and really warms my heart. It just gives me even more reasons to do everything I can to actually make it, prove the ones who doubt me wrong, and make the ones who believe in me proud. I'm having a hard time cause I haven't been able to practice the last 2 weeks or so, but I'm gonna find a way to still make it happen. I have to.
Thanks everyone
Please show me what parts of cArn's post discounted my statements other than him only having played in 3 code A qualifiers, rather than 6.. to clarify my point, I was counting code A and code S qualifiers.. remember, he was there back when Artosis was doing the original code S qualification coverage..
He's on a team, he HAS beaten code a, code s and grandmaster players and he has only played in 3 qualifiers... I'd say that's pretty talented and/or pretty lucky.A lot of your post is opinion based off of your own experiences and you have no clue what cArn has done besides what you read in the OP. If you read the whole thread you would have realized you were talking out of your ass... because I did. That's all I am saying.
if people like haypro can't make it past the first round then how can someone like Carn do it? his only wins against these "Top GM players" are cheesy timing rushes, inviting him would be a waste of a spot
Honestly, I cringed each and every (multiple) times Wolf mentioned Carn in his GSL casting. There are probably hundreds of mildly talented gamers out there who try as hard as he does to get to the highest level, but that alone does not grant them automatic fame and recognition as a progamer. This can only be achieved by RESULTS and he has none. So please stop talking about this random guy until he's actually worth talking about!
And to echo someone else in this thread, I would bribe the shit out of GOMtv to have them give free code A spots to actual sc2 beasts such as DRG or MMA instead of other random foreigners.
I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community.
I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA.
I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task.
However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA.
After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community.
carn is good and a cool guy. i hope he can make it soon. i wouldn't like to see him fail with his attempt at being a pro-gamer. i thought he had joined fOu a while ago... might not be the case though.
I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community.
I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA.
I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task.
However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA.
After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community.
I didn't think this was as clever as you might meant it to be.
Having dreams is cool. He never asked for your support. I sympathize with cArn but I'm not going to do anything to help him. I'm also not going to be a big dick and put him down either...
What can be said about this guy? He took a risk and so far it hasn't worked out for him. Is his effort commendable or inspiring? Frankly, it seems like a sort of naive move, going to a foreign land and putting all your eggs in a single basket. I mean, he could have made a name on the foreign scene first and gone from there at a much smaller cost, financially and psychologically.
At least if he doesn't manage his goal right away, his story may created a fanbase for him that he can exploit in some way (I don't mean this in a bad way).
I've never seen him play, but if he's as good as people here make him out to be he should just get out of Korea and participate in foreign tournaments. A player that's worthy of Code A could get pretty far in MLG/IPL/Dreamhack; or at the very least get into those tournaments, as well as win smallscale local tournaments, which would at the very least bring him up into the spotlight more, which'll get him more fans, etc. GSL is just flat out the hardest tournament to get into, and is one of the few tournaments in Korea, and for the price money if you don't regularly place in the code S ro8 it's just not worth your time to stay in Korea.
I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community.
I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA.
I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task.
However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA.
After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community.
On July 20 2011 23:49 BadgerBadger8264 wrote: I've never seen him play, but if he's as good as people here make him out to be he should just get out of Korea and participate in foreign tournaments. A player that's worthy of Code A could get pretty far in MLG/IPL/Dreamhack; or at the very least get into those tournaments, as well as win smallscale local tournaments, which would at the very least bring him up into the spotlight more, which'll get him more fans, etc. GSL is just flat out the hardest tournament to get into, and is one of the few tournaments in Korea, and for the price money if you don't regularly place in the code S ro8 it's just not worth your time to stay in Korea.
I would guess Carn is not interested in the money as much as being the best and improving the fastest. And he can only do that in Korea. What is sad is that some foreign team has not taken him into their roster (and possibly payed him to go to foreign tournaments).
If you're going to go to Korea to be a pro gamer, you need to make the most of your time there.. living in a boarding house without stable access to a computer or a practice schedule is not the best use of someone's time..
There's no reason for cArn to be struggling to find proper housing and beating his head against the wall in Code A qualifiers.. there's a flourishing tournament scene in Europe and North America.. he should take the skill he's developed during his time in Korea and go make a name for himself.. if he really is worthy of a Code A spot, then he should be able to win some tournaments, get noticed by a big name team and possibly even get sent back to Korea on better terms, or sent to some MLG events where he can fight for a Code A or Code S spot.
On July 20 2011 23:49 BadgerBadger8264 wrote: I've never seen him play, but if he's as good as people here make him out to be he should just get out of Korea and participate in foreign tournaments. A player that's worthy of Code A could get pretty far in MLG/IPL/Dreamhack; or at the very least get into those tournaments, as well as win smallscale local tournaments, which would at the very least bring him up into the spotlight more, which'll get him more fans, etc. GSL is just flat out the hardest tournament to get into, and is one of the few tournaments in Korea, and for the price money if you don't regularly place in the code S ro8 it's just not worth your time to stay in Korea.
I would guess Carn is not interested in the money as much as being the best and improving the fastest. And he can only do that in Korea. What is sad is that some foreign team has not taken him into their roster (and possibly payed him to go to foreign tournaments).
What foreign team is going to take him into their roster when he's produced no results in any tournaments and (unless you're one of the white knights who goes on about him "beating GSL champions on the ladder") is really only seen as one of the foreigners who consistently hang around the GSL studio?
I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community.
I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA.
I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task.
However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA.
After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community.
On July 20 2011 23:49 BadgerBadger8264 wrote: I've never seen him play, but if he's as good as people here make him out to be he should just get out of Korea and participate in foreign tournaments. A player that's worthy of Code A could get pretty far in MLG/IPL/Dreamhack; or at the very least get into those tournaments, as well as win smallscale local tournaments, which would at the very least bring him up into the spotlight more, which'll get him more fans, etc. GSL is just flat out the hardest tournament to get into, and is one of the few tournaments in Korea, and for the price money if you don't regularly place in the code S ro8 it's just not worth your time to stay in Korea.
I would guess Carn is not interested in the money as much as being the best and improving the fastest. And he can only do that in Korea. What is sad is that some foreign team has not taken him into their roster (and possibly payed him to go to foreign tournaments).
What foreign team is going to take him into their roster when he's produced no results in any tournaments and (unless you're one of the white knights who goes on about him "beating GSL champions on the ladder") is really only seen as one of the foreigners who consistently hang around the GSL studio?
Well FXO guys didn't make it much further in the qualifier as well, did they? And some of them do have some results under their belt from foreign tournaments. From what is said in this thread, Carn is as good as some on the FXO team (and has had a worse living conditions and no team to practice with). I can only imaging what he can accomplish once he has a proper team to back him up and to train with.
On July 20 2011 23:49 BadgerBadger8264 wrote: I've never seen him play, but if he's as good as people here make him out to be he should just get out of Korea and participate in foreign tournaments. A player that's worthy of Code A could get pretty far in MLG/IPL/Dreamhack; or at the very least get into those tournaments, as well as win smallscale local tournaments, which would at the very least bring him up into the spotlight more, which'll get him more fans, etc. GSL is just flat out the hardest tournament to get into, and is one of the few tournaments in Korea, and for the price money if you don't regularly place in the code S ro8 it's just not worth your time to stay in Korea.
I would guess Carn is not interested in the money as much as being the best and improving the fastest. And he can only do that in Korea. What is sad is that some foreign team has not taken him into their roster (and possibly payed him to go to foreign tournaments).
What foreign team is going to take him into their roster when he's produced no results in any tournaments and (unless you're one of the white knights who goes on about him "beating GSL champions on the ladder") is really only seen as one of the foreigners who consistently hang around the GSL studio?
Well FXO guys didn't make it much further in the qualifier as well, did they? And some of them do have some results under their belt from foreign tournaments. From what is said in this thread, Carn is as good as some on the FXO team (and has had a worse living conditions and no team to practice with). I can only imaging what he can accomplish once he has a proper team to back him up and to train with.
Yeah... keyword here being "said"
imo cArn is the next sc2 bonjwa invite him to Code S please
a lot of mixed emotions in this thread, i dont know what to say about his presence in korea... obviously the code A qualifiers are rly intense and they should be granted to the better players , well maybe he wants to stay in korea and enjoys whats hes doin now and nothing else matters to him...but we dont know...i would like to see a more recent interview with him on his current thoughts anyways all the best dude and dont give up!
I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community.
I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA.
I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task.
However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA.
After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community.
I don't understand post like this. I guess you think your clever for putting down someone who is attempting to do something great. Failure is a possibility but why wouldn't we rally around him and give him support. I don't know if it's jealousy or spite or maybe even just straight up trolling for trolling sake. You really should be ashamed of your self for shit like this. I mean he could be at home living with his mom watching dragonball Z right ftrunkz? Then he can make post in topics about players that people actually care about and get attention.
A man should not be put down for attempting something that you can't understand. Everyone stating the obvious that ya 1 in 1000 or its impossible should get a life. If everyone had that mentality we would accomplish nothing. If you don't like him fine. You shouldn't attempt to make him look like an idiot though. If everyone was like the haters all over this site no one would be in Korea trying to get it done.
Your the man Carn. I havn't seen you stream or anything but I know for a fact everyone that has posted in this thread even the "pro's" could learn a thing or two from you. Keep going till you can't go anymore that way when your older you don't have to look back and be disappointed in your self for not trying. Save that for the haters.
Times change my friend. If this were still BW you would be praised and rooted for by the entire community. Flash forward to sc2 and the "community" and it's not the same anymore but know that most of us are rooting for you.
Why hasn't this story popped up earlier? If TL + r/sc can raise $23k for a documentary, certainly we can put together something for this guy?
He has the guts to put a dream that many of us shared and risked everything. I don't care what the cost-benefit analysis says: this man has my respect.
I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community.
I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA.
I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task.
However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA.
After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community.
I don't understand post like this. I guess you think your clever for putting down someone who is attempting to do something great. Failure is a possibility but why wouldn't we rally around him and give him support. I don't know if it's jealousy or spite or maybe even just straight up trolling for trolling sake. You really should be ashamed of your self for shit like this. I mean he could be at home living with his mom watching dragonball Z right ftrunkz? Then he can make post in topics about players that people actually care about and get attention.
A man should not be put down for attempting something that you can't understand. Everyone stating the obvious that ya 1 in 1000 or its impossible should get a life. If everyone had that mentality we would accomplish nothing. If you don't like him fine. You shouldn't attempt to make him look like an idiot though. If everyone was like the haters all over this site no one would be in Korea trying to get it done.
Your the man Carn. I havn't seen you stream or anything but I know for a fact everyone that has posted in this thread even the "pro's" could learn a thing or two from you. Keep going till you can't go anymore that way when your older you don't have to look back and be disappointed in your self for not trying. Save that for the haters.
Times change my friend. If this were still BW you would be praised and rooted for by the entire community. Flash forward to sc2 and the "community" and it's not the same anymore but know that most of us are rooting for you.
The point of my post was to show just how ridiculous what he did was, he doesn't deserve any sort of special treatment or support from the community for doing something so absurdly stupid and having the result that was obvious to everyone from the beginning. Failure wasn't a possibility, it was assured. There was literally NO reason to go to korea for him. He obviously wasn't good enough when he went to have a snowballs chance in hell of qualifying for GSL at that point, and korea had NOTHING to offer him in terms of training environment at that point (he had no korean account and knew no one over there... so basically he just practiced on EU with a worse ping than he would've had at home and had to play out of PC bangs...????). Believe me when i say there is no jealousy on my end.
I guess you are right in that I 100% cannot fathom the thought process that went behind his move to korea, maybe it was just pure ridiculous arrogance thinking he'd be naturally talented enough to pick up a gaming genre most others have been playing for years at a competitive level and instantly become world-class at it, maybe he thought he'd rock up to korea and instantly have access to a korean pro-gamer house to train with them, who the hell knows, but if he actually expected to get more out of his trip to korea than just playing at home with the set-up this post makes out he had, he actually made it harder on himself to become a pro-gamer. Living at home in his mum's basement watching dragon ball Z would've been a more productive use of his time.
Since you obviously didn't get the point behind my basketball analogy and then went on to use a completely incorrect broodwar one, let me paint you another picture, If some guy who in 2009 who had been playing broodwar for 2 months who no one had heard of before and was D+ on iCCup threw away everything in his life to go to korea knowing no one over there just to play iCCup out of korean net cafes and then rock up to courage every month just to get absolutely rofl stomped, the community would not have backed him, they would've laughed at him. Hell half the community laughed at people like idra/ret who couldn't make it through courage and they were the foreigners only hopes back then.
I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community.
I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA.
I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task.
However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA.
After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community.
I don't understand post like this. I guess you think your clever for putting down someone who is attempting to do something great. Failure is a possibility but why wouldn't we rally around him and give him support. I don't know if it's jealousy or spite or maybe even just straight up trolling for trolling sake. You really should be ashamed of your self for shit like this. I mean he could be at home living with his mom watching dragonball Z right ftrunkz? Then he can make post in topics about players that people actually care about and get attention.
A man should not be put down for attempting something that you can't understand. Everyone stating the obvious that ya 1 in 1000 or its impossible should get a life. If everyone had that mentality we would accomplish nothing. If you don't like him fine. You shouldn't attempt to make him look like an idiot though. If everyone was like the haters all over this site no one would be in Korea trying to get it done.
Your the man Carn. I havn't seen you stream or anything but I know for a fact everyone that has posted in this thread even the "pro's" could learn a thing or two from you. Keep going till you can't go anymore that way when your older you don't have to look back and be disappointed in your self for not trying. Save that for the haters.
Times change my friend. If this were still BW you would be praised and rooted for by the entire community. Flash forward to sc2 and the "community" and it's not the same anymore but know that most of us are rooting for you.
The point of my post was to show just how ridiculous what he did was, he doesn't deserve any sort of special treatment or support from the community for doing something so absurdly stupid and having the result that was obvious to everyone from the beginning. Failure wasn't a possibility, it was assured. There was literally NO reason to go to korea for him. He obviously wasn't good enough when he went to have a snowballs chance in hell of qualifying for GSL at that point, and korea had NOTHING to offer him in terms of training environment at that point (he had no korean account and knew no one over there... so basically he just practiced on EU with a worse ping than he would've had at home and had to play out of PC bangs...????). Believe me when i say there is no jealousy on my end.
I guess you are right in that I 100% cannot fathom the thought process that went behind his move to korea, maybe it was just pure ridiculous arrogance thinking he'd be naturally talented enough to pick up a gaming genre most others have been playing for years at a competitive level and instantly become world-class at it, maybe he thought he'd rock up to korea and instantly have access to a korean pro-gamer house to train with them, who the hell knows, but if he actually expected to get more out of his trip to korea than just playing at home with the set-up this post makes out he had, he actually made it harder on himself to become a pro-gamer. Living at home in his mum's basement watching dragon ball Z would've been a more productive use of his time.
Since you obviously didn't get the point behind my basketball analogy and then went on to use a completely incorrect broodwar one, let me paint you another picture, If some guy who in 2009 who had been playing broodwar for 2 months who no one had heard of before and was D+ on iCCup threw away everything in his life to go to korea knowing no one over there just to play iCCup out of korean net cafes and then rock up to courage every month just to get absolutely rofl stomped, the community would not have backed him, they would've laughed at him. Hell half the community laughed at people like idra/ret who couldn't make it through courage and they were the foreigners only hopes back then.
Except he almost qualified for code A, he is capable of participating in Korea. Saying he has absolutely no chance is completely ignoring what he has already achieved. If he has progressed this much and has had no previous RTS experience, I would expect him to continue to improve and will succeed in the near future hopefully.
I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community.
I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA.
I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task.
However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA.
After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community.
I don't understand post like this. I guess you think your clever for putting down someone who is attempting to do something great. Failure is a possibility but why wouldn't we rally around him and give him support. I don't know if it's jealousy or spite or maybe even just straight up trolling for trolling sake. You really should be ashamed of your self for shit like this. I mean he could be at home living with his mom watching dragonball Z right ftrunkz? Then he can make post in topics about players that people actually care about and get attention.
A man should not be put down for attempting something that you can't understand. Everyone stating the obvious that ya 1 in 1000 or its impossible should get a life. If everyone had that mentality we would accomplish nothing. If you don't like him fine. You shouldn't attempt to make him look like an idiot though. If everyone was like the haters all over this site no one would be in Korea trying to get it done.
Your the man Carn. I havn't seen you stream or anything but I know for a fact everyone that has posted in this thread even the "pro's" could learn a thing or two from you. Keep going till you can't go anymore that way when your older you don't have to look back and be disappointed in your self for not trying. Save that for the haters.
Times change my friend. If this were still BW you would be praised and rooted for by the entire community. Flash forward to sc2 and the "community" and it's not the same anymore but know that most of us are rooting for you.
The point of my post was to show just how ridiculous what he did was, he doesn't deserve any sort of special treatment or support from the community for doing something so absurdly stupid and having the result that was obvious to everyone from the beginning. Failure wasn't a possibility, it was assured. There was literally NO reason to go to korea for him. He obviously wasn't good enough when he went to have a snowballs chance in hell of qualifying for GSL at that point, and korea had NOTHING to offer him in terms of training environment at that point (he had no korean account and knew no one over there... so basically he just practiced on EU with a worse ping than he would've had at home and had to play out of PC bangs...????). Believe me when i say there is no jealousy on my end.
I guess you are right in that I 100% cannot fathom the thought process that went behind his move to korea, maybe it was just pure ridiculous arrogance thinking he'd be naturally talented enough to pick up a gaming genre most others have been playing for years at a competitive level and instantly become world-class at it, maybe he thought he'd rock up to korea and instantly have access to a korean pro-gamer house to train with them, who the hell knows, but if he actually expected to get more out of his trip to korea than just playing at home with the set-up this post makes out he had, he actually made it harder on himself to become a pro-gamer. Living at home in his mum's basement watching dragon ball Z would've been a more productive use of his time.
Since you obviously didn't get the point behind my basketball analogy and then went on to use a completely incorrect broodwar one, let me paint you another picture, If some guy who in 2009 who had been playing broodwar for 2 months who no one had heard of before and was D+ on iCCup threw away everything in his life to go to korea knowing no one over there just to play iCCup out of korean net cafes and then rock up to courage every month just to get absolutely rofl stomped, the community would not have backed him, they would've laughed at him. Hell half the community laughed at people like idra/ret who couldn't make it through courage and they were the foreigners only hopes back then.
So many keyboard warriors spending too much time typing out paragraphs worth of arguments about the future of some guy they've never met... This is really sad. /facepalm
I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community.
I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA.
I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task.
However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA.
After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community.
I don't understand post like this. I guess you think your clever for putting down someone who is attempting to do something great. Failure is a possibility but why wouldn't we rally around him and give him support. I don't know if it's jealousy or spite or maybe even just straight up trolling for trolling sake. You really should be ashamed of your self for shit like this. I mean he could be at home living with his mom watching dragonball Z right ftrunkz? Then he can make post in topics about players that people actually care about and get attention.
A man should not be put down for attempting something that you can't understand. Everyone stating the obvious that ya 1 in 1000 or its impossible should get a life. If everyone had that mentality we would accomplish nothing. If you don't like him fine. You shouldn't attempt to make him look like an idiot though. If everyone was like the haters all over this site no one would be in Korea trying to get it done.
Your the man Carn. I havn't seen you stream or anything but I know for a fact everyone that has posted in this thread even the "pro's" could learn a thing or two from you. Keep going till you can't go anymore that way when your older you don't have to look back and be disappointed in your self for not trying. Save that for the haters.
Times change my friend. If this were still BW you would be praised and rooted for by the entire community. Flash forward to sc2 and the "community" and it's not the same anymore but know that most of us are rooting for you.
The point of my post was to show just how ridiculous what he did was, he doesn't deserve any sort of special treatment or support from the community for doing something so absurdly stupid and having the result that was obvious to everyone from the beginning. Failure wasn't a possibility, it was assured. There was literally NO reason to go to korea for him. He obviously wasn't good enough when he went to have a snowballs chance in hell of qualifying for GSL at that point, and korea had NOTHING to offer him in terms of training environment at that point (he had no korean account and knew no one over there... so basically he just practiced on EU with a worse ping than he would've had at home and had to play out of PC bangs...????). Believe me when i say there is no jealousy on my end.
I guess you are right in that I 100% cannot fathom the thought process that went behind his move to korea, maybe it was just pure ridiculous arrogance thinking he'd be naturally talented enough to pick up a gaming genre most others have been playing for years at a competitive level and instantly become world-class at it, maybe he thought he'd rock up to korea and instantly have access to a korean pro-gamer house to train with them, who the hell knows, but if he actually expected to get more out of his trip to korea than just playing at home with the set-up this post makes out he had, he actually made it harder on himself to become a pro-gamer. Living at home in his mum's basement watching dragon ball Z would've been a more productive use of his time.
Since you obviously didn't get the point behind my basketball analogy and then went on to use a completely incorrect broodwar one, let me paint you another picture, If some guy who in 2009 who had been playing broodwar for 2 months who no one had heard of before and was D+ on iCCup threw away everything in his life to go to korea knowing no one over there just to play iCCup out of korean net cafes and then rock up to courage every month just to get absolutely rofl stomped, the community would not have backed him, they would've laughed at him. Hell half the community laughed at people like idra/ret who couldn't make it through courage and they were the foreigners only hopes back then.
So many keyboard warriors spending too much time typing out paragraphs worth of arguments about the future of some guy they've never met... This is really sad. /facepalm
What the hell TL? Im gonna get some air.
People typing well structured posts with subject matter directly related to the topic created?
I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community.
I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA.
I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task.
However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA.
After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community.
I don't understand post like this. I guess you think your clever for putting down someone who is attempting to do something great. Failure is a possibility but why wouldn't we rally around him and give him support. I don't know if it's jealousy or spite or maybe even just straight up trolling for trolling sake. You really should be ashamed of your self for shit like this. I mean he could be at home living with his mom watching dragonball Z right ftrunkz? Then he can make post in topics about players that people actually care about and get attention.
A man should not be put down for attempting something that you can't understand. Everyone stating the obvious that ya 1 in 1000 or its impossible should get a life. If everyone had that mentality we would accomplish nothing. If you don't like him fine. You shouldn't attempt to make him look like an idiot though. If everyone was like the haters all over this site no one would be in Korea trying to get it done.
Your the man Carn. I havn't seen you stream or anything but I know for a fact everyone that has posted in this thread even the "pro's" could learn a thing or two from you. Keep going till you can't go anymore that way when your older you don't have to look back and be disappointed in your self for not trying. Save that for the haters.
Times change my friend. If this were still BW you would be praised and rooted for by the entire community. Flash forward to sc2 and the "community" and it's not the same anymore but know that most of us are rooting for you.
The point of my post was to show just how ridiculous what he did was, he doesn't deserve any sort of special treatment or support from the community for doing something so absurdly stupid and having the result that was obvious to everyone from the beginning. Failure wasn't a possibility, it was assured. There was literally NO reason to go to korea for him. He obviously wasn't good enough when he went to have a snowballs chance in hell of qualifying for GSL at that point, and korea had NOTHING to offer him in terms of training environment at that point (he had no korean account and knew no one over there... so basically he just practiced on EU with a worse ping than he would've had at home and had to play out of PC bangs...????). Believe me when i say there is no jealousy on my end.
I guess you are right in that I 100% cannot fathom the thought process that went behind his move to korea, maybe it was just pure ridiculous arrogance thinking he'd be naturally talented enough to pick up a gaming genre most others have been playing for years at a competitive level and instantly become world-class at it, maybe he thought he'd rock up to korea and instantly have access to a korean pro-gamer house to train with them, who the hell knows, but if he actually expected to get more out of his trip to korea than just playing at home with the set-up this post makes out he had, he actually made it harder on himself to become a pro-gamer. Living at home in his mum's basement watching dragon ball Z would've been a more productive use of his time.
Since you obviously didn't get the point behind my basketball analogy and then went on to use a completely incorrect broodwar one, let me paint you another picture, If some guy who in 2009 who had been playing broodwar for 2 months who no one had heard of before and was D+ on iCCup threw away everything in his life to go to korea knowing no one over there just to play iCCup out of korean net cafes and then rock up to courage every month just to get absolutely rofl stomped, the community would not have backed him, they would've laughed at him. Hell half the community laughed at people like idra/ret who couldn't make it through courage and they were the foreigners only hopes back then.
So many keyboard warriors spending too much time typing out paragraphs worth of arguments about the future of some guy they've never met... This is really sad. /facepalm
What the hell TL? Im gonna get some air.
People typing well structured posts with subject matter directly related to the topic created?
MY GOD.
WHAT HAS TEAMLIQUID COME TO???
Based on how far he made it in the qualifiers, your in comparing him to a D+ player is ridiculous and plain wrong. He made it farther than any other foreigner in the code A qualifiers; thats RESULTS. If you don't agree then you would have to laugh at every foreigner that went to Korea like "half the community". Your post is a well structured, negative pile of ignorant hateful opinions.
TeamLiquid is not the place for overly nice responses to even the most stupid arguments. Ftrunkz is completely right in with his point in my opinion. cArn did something extremely ambitious and hasn't worked out so far. Tough luck. GOM have no reason to reason to give him a Code A spot, but taking away his spot in the foreigner house seems like a weird decision by them. But that doesn't seem to be the focus of the argument.
Calling a person sad because he has an opinion that differs from yours is extremely arrogant and inappropriate in a forum. "What the hell TL" indeed.
I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community.
I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA.
I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task.
However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA.
After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community.
I don't understand post like this. I guess you think your clever for putting down someone who is attempting to do something great. Failure is a possibility but why wouldn't we rally around him and give him support. I don't know if it's jealousy or spite or maybe even just straight up trolling for trolling sake. You really should be ashamed of your self for shit like this. I mean he could be at home living with his mom watching dragonball Z right ftrunkz? Then he can make post in topics about players that people actually care about and get attention.
A man should not be put down for attempting something that you can't understand. Everyone stating the obvious that ya 1 in 1000 or its impossible should get a life. If everyone had that mentality we would accomplish nothing. If you don't like him fine. You shouldn't attempt to make him look like an idiot though. If everyone was like the haters all over this site no one would be in Korea trying to get it done.
Your the man Carn. I havn't seen you stream or anything but I know for a fact everyone that has posted in this thread even the "pro's" could learn a thing or two from you. Keep going till you can't go anymore that way when your older you don't have to look back and be disappointed in your self for not trying. Save that for the haters.
Times change my friend. If this were still BW you would be praised and rooted for by the entire community. Flash forward to sc2 and the "community" and it's not the same anymore but know that most of us are rooting for you.
The point of my post was to show just how ridiculous what he did was, he doesn't deserve any sort of special treatment or support from the community for doing something so absurdly stupid and having the result that was obvious to everyone from the beginning. Failure wasn't a possibility, it was assured. There was literally NO reason to go to korea for him. He obviously wasn't good enough when he went to have a snowballs chance in hell of qualifying for GSL at that point, and korea had NOTHING to offer him in terms of training environment at that point (he had no korean account and knew no one over there... so basically he just practiced on EU with a worse ping than he would've had at home and had to play out of PC bangs...????). Believe me when i say there is no jealousy on my end.
I guess you are right in that I 100% cannot fathom the thought process that went behind his move to korea, maybe it was just pure ridiculous arrogance thinking he'd be naturally talented enough to pick up a gaming genre most others have been playing for years at a competitive level and instantly become world-class at it, maybe he thought he'd rock up to korea and instantly have access to a korean pro-gamer house to train with them, who the hell knows, but if he actually expected to get more out of his trip to korea than just playing at home with the set-up this post makes out he had, he actually made it harder on himself to become a pro-gamer. Living at home in his mum's basement watching dragon ball Z would've been a more productive use of his time.
Since you obviously didn't get the point behind my basketball analogy and then went on to use a completely incorrect broodwar one, let me paint you another picture, If some guy who in 2009 who had been playing broodwar for 2 months who no one had heard of before and was D+ on iCCup threw away everything in his life to go to korea knowing no one over there just to play iCCup out of korean net cafes and then rock up to courage every month just to get absolutely rofl stomped, the community would not have backed him, they would've laughed at him. Hell half the community laughed at people like idra/ret who couldn't make it through courage and they were the foreigners only hopes back then.
Except he almost qualified for code A,
That is not correct, Carn only won round 2, he was in fact 2 bo3 from qualifying Code A, unlike what OP said. QXC got as far as carn into the qualifiers, so he did not get the furthest either. there are many incorrect statements in the OP.
I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn
cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.
I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.
cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.
After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community.
I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA.
I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task.
However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA.
After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right.
I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community.
I don't understand post like this. I guess you think your clever for putting down someone who is attempting to do something great. Failure is a possibility but why wouldn't we rally around him and give him support. I don't know if it's jealousy or spite or maybe even just straight up trolling for trolling sake. You really should be ashamed of your self for shit like this. I mean he could be at home living with his mom watching dragonball Z right ftrunkz? Then he can make post in topics about players that people actually care about and get attention.
A man should not be put down for attempting something that you can't understand. Everyone stating the obvious that ya 1 in 1000 or its impossible should get a life. If everyone had that mentality we would accomplish nothing. If you don't like him fine. You shouldn't attempt to make him look like an idiot though. If everyone was like the haters all over this site no one would be in Korea trying to get it done.
Your the man Carn. I havn't seen you stream or anything but I know for a fact everyone that has posted in this thread even the "pro's" could learn a thing or two from you. Keep going till you can't go anymore that way when your older you don't have to look back and be disappointed in your self for not trying. Save that for the haters.
Times change my friend. If this were still BW you would be praised and rooted for by the entire community. Flash forward to sc2 and the "community" and it's not the same anymore but know that most of us are rooting for you.
The point of my post was to show just how ridiculous what he did was, he doesn't deserve any sort of special treatment or support from the community for doing something so absurdly stupid and having the result that was obvious to everyone from the beginning. Failure wasn't a possibility, it was assured. There was literally NO reason to go to korea for him. He obviously wasn't good enough when he went to have a snowballs chance in hell of qualifying for GSL at that point, and korea had NOTHING to offer him in terms of training environment at that point (he had no korean account and knew no one over there... so basically he just practiced on EU with a worse ping than he would've had at home and had to play out of PC bangs...????). Believe me when i say there is no jealousy on my end.
I guess you are right in that I 100% cannot fathom the thought process that went behind his move to korea, maybe it was just pure ridiculous arrogance thinking he'd be naturally talented enough to pick up a gaming genre most others have been playing for years at a competitive level and instantly become world-class at it, maybe he thought he'd rock up to korea and instantly have access to a korean pro-gamer house to train with them, who the hell knows, but if he actually expected to get more out of his trip to korea than just playing at home with the set-up this post makes out he had, he actually made it harder on himself to become a pro-gamer. Living at home in his mum's basement watching dragon ball Z would've been a more productive use of his time.
Since you obviously didn't get the point behind my basketball analogy and then went on to use a completely incorrect broodwar one, let me paint you another picture, If some guy who in 2009 who had been playing broodwar for 2 months who no one had heard of before and was D+ on iCCup threw away everything in his life to go to korea knowing no one over there just to play iCCup out of korean net cafes and then rock up to courage every month just to get absolutely rofl stomped, the community would not have backed him, they would've laughed at him. Hell half the community laughed at people like idra/ret who couldn't make it through courage and they were the foreigners only hopes back then.
So many keyboard warriors spending too much time typing out paragraphs worth of arguments about the future of some guy they've never met... This is really sad. /facepalm
What the hell TL? Im gonna get some air.
People typing well structured posts with subject matter directly related to the topic created?
MY GOD.
WHAT HAS TEAMLIQUID COME TO???
Based on how far he made it in the qualifiers, your in comparing him to a D+ player is ridiculous and plain wrong. He made it farther than any other foreigner in the code A qualifiers; thats RESULTS. If you don't agree then you would have to laugh at every foreigner that went to Korea like "half the community". Your post is a well structured, negative pile of ignorant hateful opinions.
I compared him to D+ when he first went over, not right now, which i think is more than fair considering iirc he wasnt even in the top division back then.
I think if people are going to go countering my argument with "BUT HES GETTING RESULTS" they need some better evidence than him winning 2 bo3's against opponents we have no idea if they were even better than low level masters on kr (which, whilst decent, are by no means amazing). And if you search for more i think you'll find he's struggled in every other tournament he's played, including quite a few tournaments on the SEA server.
On July 21 2011 11:05 mnck wrote: TeamLiquid is not the place for overly nice responses to even the most stupid arguments. Ftrunkz is completely right in with his point in my opinion. cArn did something extremely ambitious and hasn't worked out so far. Tough luck. GOM have no reason to reason to give him a Code A spot, but taking away his spot in the foreigner house seems like a weird decision by them. But that doesn't seem to be the focus of the argument.
Calling a person sad because he has an opinion that differs from yours is extremely arrogant and inappropriate in a forum. "What the hell TL" indeed.
I was the first to probably make the reference to an NBA example just to simply show that effort shouldn't result into something guaranteed; you have to earn it. But the way Ftrunkz words things comes off to be very jerk-like.
It wasn't cArn who requested a spot in GSL. Even if he has a low chance of getting in the GSL, a lot of people feel it is admirable he is trying the unthinkable by some. Ftrunkz just straight puts cArn down like he's the dumbest guy in the world for doing something like this.
Yeah he's not in the GSL atm but he's living life and doing what he enjoys that keeps him happy. He's experiencing another culture in terms of Korea and the sub-culture of competitive gaming. I don't think his long term goal is to become a bonjwa or anything. For some, people look back at their lives and wish they did a bit more traveling or be more exposed to many more cultures.
EPT
(Altough, it was a big wall of text in the middle there)
...cArnage in europe. 
) putting everything up on the line and just go for it. I know I am to scared to do so myself. Maybe one day ill do something like that who knows =) 
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