cArn : Road to the GSL - Page 17

MorNin

United States443 Posts

July 19 2011 01:06 GMT

#321

On July 19 2011 09:59 skrzmark wrote:

Wow hating on Haypro Hayders gonna hate! He qualified for Season 3 the first foreign player to do so! Got cheesed by your favorite player Bitbybit.

From what i remember he got an Invite

IcedBacon

Canada906 Posts

July 19 2011 01:08 GMT

#322

On July 19 2011 10:06 MorNin wrote:

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From what i remember he got an Invite

Likewise. Checked up on it though and yeah Haypro did qualify for open season 3 with 3/4 other foreigners. The open season qualifiers isn't exactly comparable to the Code A ones though, considering a foreigner has yet to qualify into that.

skrzmark

United States1528 Posts

July 19 2011 01:18 GMT

#323

On July 19 2011 10:08 IcedBacon wrote:

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yep in the opens there were 64 spots open though. no seeds. He qualified while HuK didn't that season.

RodYan

United States126 Posts

July 19 2011 01:36 GMT

#324

Something to think about, is what does cArn really want? Does he want to play in the GSL or qualify for the GSL?

There's much to be said about a man who walks the unbeaten path.

Sorkoas

549 Posts

July 19 2011 02:06 GMT

#325

so what you are saying is that if i go to korea and try qualify for gsl over and over again but still fail i deserve a spot in the gom house and foreign invite to code a? i dont even have to prove myself? sounds sweet. im sure id be willing to take some rough months for that. free entry into progaming world with all benefits. hell yeah.

SlimeBagly

356 Posts

July 19 2011 02:52 GMT

#326

Meh, I'm kind of bored of watching foreigners that got free spots in Korea lose games to Koreans.

cfnz

Sweden17 Posts

July 19 2011 03:00 GMT

#327

He has been living in korea, in the gom house, with practice partners...an ideal environment for a SC2 player and still havent made it into Code A after several tries. How should this be deserving of a code a spot? Maybe if he lived and played from a cardboard box he would deserve a pity spot, but not with these circumstances. its obvious he is not good enough. if being a nice and dedicated guy was enough to get into Code A than there would be even tougher competition to get in

Utinni

Canada1196 Posts

July 19 2011 03:10 GMT

#328

On July 19 2011 12:00 cfnz wrote:
He has been living in korea, in the gom house, with practice partners...an ideal environment for a SC2 player and still havent made it into Code A after several tries. How should this be deserving of a code a spot? Maybe if he lived and played from a cardboard box he would deserve a pity spot, but not with these circumstances. its obvious he is not good enough. if being a nice and dedicated guy was enough to get into Code A than there would be even tougher competition to get in

I don't get why you guys don't read the thread, He has posted he rather qualify than take a free code a spot... and that's what he plans to do unless something surprises him. He will continue his goal, and that is to win.

sOAvoid

Canada206 Posts

July 19 2011 03:15 GMT

#329

if i have a bronze freind and he tries and puts in alto of "effort" can he get a spot in code s mb?

Utinni

Canada1196 Posts

July 19 2011 03:18 GMT

#330

On July 19 2011 12:15 sOAvoid wrote:
if i have a bronze freind and he tries and puts in alto of "effort" can he get a spot in code s mb?

What bronze friend might look like...
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Herper

501 Posts

July 19 2011 03:22 GMT

#331

On July 19 2011 12:15 sOAvoid wrote:
if i have a bronze freind and he tries and puts in alto of "effort" can he get a spot in code s mb?

Would he have greatly improved because of his "effort" and would he have made achievements? Doesn't matter where people start, just the development.

motiust

Australia97 Posts

July 19 2011 06:09 GMT

#332

I'd watched his stream and i think he is at around the skill level with Haypro.
but Haypro trains with oGs.TL and cArn trains with Kr B.Net...
He should of participate non Korean comps and get a few titles under his name, and than do a HuK to get into code A as foreigners.

all in all, i wish i have half of his sprits and dedication towards sc2 lol /respect!

Keep it up bro! DO IT THE HARD WAY AND WALK OUT GOM WITH FRANCH PRIDE lol~~

Sorkoas

549 Posts

July 19 2011 09:43 GMT

#333

On July 19 2011 15:09 motiust wrote:
I'd watched his stream and i think he is at around the skill level with Haypro.
but Haypro trains with oGs.TL and cArn trains with Kr B.Net...
He should of participate non Korean comps and get a few titles under his name, and than do a HuK to get into code A as foreigners.

all in all, i wish i have half of his sprits and dedication towards sc2 lol /respect!

Keep it up bro! DO IT THE HARD WAY AND WALK OUT GOM WITH FRANCH PRIDE lol~~

participating in those non korean competitions seems do wonders for haypro.

Utinni

Canada1196 Posts

July 19 2011 20:35 GMT

#334

On July 19 2011 09:30 moxley wrote:

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On July 19 2011 04:50 Utinni wrote:

On July 19 2011 04:28 moxley wrote:
Just because he's stuck it out in korea for so long doesn't mean he deserves a foreigner spot in Code A.. how many qualifiers has he attempted? It must be half a dozen by now.. and despite any results in any tournaments, and trying and failing continuously to qualify for Code A, GOM let him live at the GOM house temporarily, until the space was needed for other people..

Rather than a pity post for cArn, you've made a post that is kind of attacking GOM, acting like they threw him out on the street and are being overly stingy with their foreigner Code A spots, even though cArn has shown no results..

It's also funny you bring up the fact that cArn gave up his "job, friends, family" etc.. no one asked him to attempt to be a pro gamer, and no one asked him to travel to Korea without the support of a team.. overall, while there may be a level of passion involved that is admirable, it seems like cArn has made some irresponsible decisions and should probably go home and get his life together.

Tried and failed.. I'm sure he's a great guy, but this is nothing more than a story to tell people down the road when he's living a normal life. Pro gaming is a lot about dedication, and it certainly sounds like cArn has that; but it's also about talent and luck, and maybe he's light in those areas..

You should really read a thread before you post your opinions, just common courtesy...

cArn has already posted earlier in the thread explaining his situation in Korea.

Should just take it easy before you talk about stuff you obviously don't know.

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On July 18 2011 19:34 cArn- wrote:
Ok I think I have to clarify some things so everyone is on the same page.

I played in 3 code A qualifiers :

The first was when Spades was here, I did terrible, lost 0-2 first round, wasn't prepared at all.

The second one, I had close to 2 weeks to prepare, and I remember HayprO and mOOnGLaDe played too. In this one I got to the semi-finals of my bracket, which is round 4 I believe, and lost. It was close series and lost because I made an error of judgement, didn't realise how far ahead I was in the first map and didn't go for the kill nor played safe so I got caught offguard by a very risky move.

The last one where FXO came, I was really expecting to qualify, I had more than a month to prepare and was practising hardcore all that time (that's when I started streaming often around 10-12 hours a day). However I botched it and lost 1-2 in round 2 against ZeNEXNaYa, and was furious about it. I won very easily my first set against a protoss 2-0, then played NaYa, won the first map easily, and then I was like oh my god this is so easy this time, I'm actually going to make it, but I let my nerves get the better of me in the rest of the series. He reacted in a completely unexpected way to my build, it threw me off, tried to adapt while my build doesn't even need to against what he did, and went on tilt. I was even more furious about myself when I found out who I was supposed to play in the next rounds, it was opponents that were not a problem for me usually. I SHOULD have qualified, but I didn't. This time it wasn't me misjudging ingame or anything, it was just me choking, and that's the worst feeling ever. I was about to finally make it but somehow managed to ruin it all.

Anyway that's how my attempts really went, up to you to decide whether it was good or not, for me it was obviously not good enough, only winning it all matters.

I'll just talk really fast about the seeding part. Yes, I'dd prefer by far to qualify myself using my skills as a player rather than the fact that I'm a foreigner in Korea. But no, I wouldn't say no to a free spot in code A, I've already been very close to qualify, I've beaten code A players, I've beaten code S players, I've beaten GSL champions. So yes, I KNOW that I can compete in code A and win games, in fact I'm way more confident about playing in code A than the qualifiers themselves.
Would it be fair for Koreans if I got seeded ? No. Was it fair when other foreigners got seeded, not really, and it's still not fair that other foreigners are getting seeded into code A.

Anyway, I have to say that I'm blown away to see this kind of support and really warms my heart. It just gives me even more reasons to do everything I can to actually make it, prove the ones who doubt me wrong, and make the ones who believe in me proud. I'm having a hard time cause I haven't been able to practice the last 2 weeks or so, but I'm gonna find a way to still make it happen. I have to.

Thanks everyone

Please show me what parts of cArn's post discounted my statements other than him only having played in 3 code A qualifiers, rather than 6.. to clarify my point, I was counting code A and code S qualifiers.. remember, he was there back when Artosis was doing the original code S qualification coverage..

He's on a team, he HAS beaten code a, code s and grandmaster players and he has only played in 3 qualifiers... I'd say that's pretty talented and/or pretty lucky.A lot of your post is opinion based off of your own experiences and you have no clue what cArn has done besides what you read in the OP. If you read the whole thread you would have realized you were talking out of your ass... because I did. That's all I am saying.

Maliris

Northern Ireland2557 Posts

July 20 2011 12:34 GMT

#335

if people like haypro can't make it past the first round then how can someone like Carn do it? his only wins against these "Top GM players" are cheesy timing rushes, inviting him would be a waste of a spot

CursedFeanor

Canada539 Posts

July 20 2011 13:45 GMT

#336

Honestly, I cringed each and every (multiple) times Wolf mentioned Carn in his GSL casting. There are probably hundreds of mildly talented gamers out there who try as hard as he does to get to the highest level, but that alone does not grant them automatic fame and recognition as a progamer. This can only be achieved by RESULTS and he has none. So please stop talking about this random guy until he's actually worth talking about!

And to echo someone else in this thread, I would bribe the shit out of GOMtv to have them give free code A spots to actual sc2 beasts such as DRG or MMA instead of other random foreigners.

Sina92

Sweden1303 Posts

July 20 2011 13:51 GMT

#337

why are you writing this to us and not to GOM?

Rossi

Australia59 Posts

July 20 2011 13:56 GMT

#338

remove

Ftrunkz

Australia2474 Posts

July 20 2011 14:09 GMT

#339

I am writing this post for a fellow player and friend cArn

cArn is a player who has put everything on the line, moving to Korea last September, alone and without the support of a team, with one goal in mind: participate in the GSL.

I met cArn last October at the GSL. Being the only 2 francophone there we started talking. I learnt about his ambition to participate in the GSL. This came as a shock to me as Starcraft 2 was the first RTS game he ever played, and coming to Korea meant he was to compete against players that have been playing e-sports for several years. For the first few months cArn was living in a boarding house, his only place to train was in a PC room, with no Korean account and no practice partners, getting ready for the GSL qualification was not an easy task.

cArn didn’t give up and was eventually offered a room at the GOM house. He now had a place to stay, a Korean account of his own, and a few training partners. This is when his skill level started to increase rapidly, making it further and further in the code A qualifiers until last qualifications where he was 1 best of 3 away from code A, he had made it further than any other foreigner for those qualifiers. With the arrival of team FXO, cArn lost his place in the GOM house and is once again living in a boarding house. This does not only dramatically increase his cost of living, but also takes away his training atmosphere. Once again, despite all of this cArn remains faithful to his goal of participation in the GSL.

After all cArn has been through GOM is still hesitant in offering him the “foreigner spot” in code A. GOM is offering this spot to non-Korean players who have proven themselves in tournaments outside of Korea. I do not judge GOM in their way of choosing who will play in code A, I am just hoping this will help people realise what a player like cArn had to sacrifice (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that he could have a chance of playing in the biggest Starcraft 2 tournament in the world. This letter is in no way to pressure GOM into offering a spot to cArn in code A, because I think that it would be more rewarding for him to finally make it through the qualifications. But if luck is not on cArn’s side for the qualifications, I am asking GOM to consider offering this dedicated and deserving foreign player a spot in code A, before he must return to France.

I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that players that put this much effort into the game deserve support from the community.

I am a man who is about to put everything on the line, i plan on moving to America this September, alone and without the support of sponsers or a team, with one gole in mind: Participate in the NBA.

I'm here to tell you about my ambition to play in the NBA. This might come as a shock to you considering Basketball will be the first ever ball-sport I've ever played, and going to america will mean I'll be competing with people who have played basketball all their lives. For the first few months I imagine i'll be living in a boarding house, with my only place to train being the local high school basketball rings, with nobody to practice with at all, getting ready to impress the NBA talent scouts will not be an easy task.

However I plan on not giving up. Apparantly one of the basketball stadiums needs a janitor and i'll be able to live out of the stadium and even train in a stadium environment, perhaps the other janitors will even play with me there! This is when my skill level will hopefully increase rapidly, and ill be able to start to be seen a bit by the NBA talent scouts. I'm just hoping a real basketball team doesn't end up needing the room in the stadium i'm currently using to sleep in overnight, or i might get kicked out, leaving me to return to my previous, bad, practice environment... How unfair!. However dispite this, i plan on remaining faithful to my goal of becoming a player in the NBA.

After all I'll be going through, I'm hoping to get a charity spot on one of the teams i hear they sometimes give out to people. Whilst they might still be hesitant to give it to me, I will not judge them for their decision, im just hoping they realize the sacrifices im going to be making (family, friends, job and even a stable place to live) so that i could have a chance of playing in the best basketball league in the world. Should luck not be on my side when i train infront of talent scouts, I'll ask the NBA to consider offering me a spot anyway, because hey, i tried hard right.

I know not everyone will share the same view as me, but I believe that having put in this much effort to follow my ridiculously near-unattainable dream in probably the dumbest fashion possible, i deserve the support from the community.

ZeromuS

Canada13407 Posts

July 20 2011 14:13 GMT

#340

They should let him live in the gom house at the very least if FXO agrees to it. His living in a boarding house without computer is crazy :/

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