EPTcArn : Road to the GSL - Page 16
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CheckSix Gaming
United States25 Posts
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moxley
United States65 Posts
Rather than a pity post for cArn, you've made a post that is kind of attacking GOM, acting like they threw him out on the street and are being overly stingy with their foreigner Code A spots, even though cArn has shown no results.. It's also funny you bring up the fact that cArn gave up his "job, friends, family" etc.. no one asked him to attempt to be a pro gamer, and no one asked him to travel to Korea without the support of a team.. overall, while there may be a level of passion involved that is admirable, it seems like cArn has made some irresponsible decisions and should probably go home and get his life together. Tried and failed.. I'm sure he's a great guy, but this is nothing more than a story to tell people down the road when he's living a normal life. Pro gaming is a lot about dedication, and it certainly sounds like cArn has that; but it's also about talent and luck, and maybe he's light in those areas.. | ||
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phANT1m
South Africa535 Posts
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On July 19 2011 04:28 moxley wrote: Just because he's stuck it out in korea for so long doesn't mean he deserves a foreigner spot in Code A.. how many qualifiers has he attempted? It must be half a dozen by now.. and despite any results in any tournaments, and trying and failing continuously to qualify for Code A, GOM let him live at the GOM house temporarily, until the space was needed for other people.. Rather than a pity post for cArn, you've made a post that is kind of attacking GOM, acting like they threw him out on the street and are being overly stingy with their foreigner Code A spots, even though cArn has shown no results.. It's also funny you bring up the fact that cArn gave up his "job, friends, family" etc.. no one asked him to attempt to be a pro gamer, and no one asked him to travel to Korea without the support of a team.. overall, while there may be a level of passion involved that is admirable, it seems like cArn has made some irresponsible decisions and should probably go home and get his life together. Tried and failed.. I'm sure he's a great guy, but this is nothing more than a story to tell people down the road when he's living a normal life. Pro gaming is a lot about dedication, and it certainly sounds like cArn has that; but it's also about talent and luck, and maybe he's light in those areas.. You should really read a thread before you post your opinions, just common courtesy... cArn has already posted earlier in the thread explaining his situation in Korea. Should just take it easy before you talk about stuff you obviously don't know. + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2011 19:34 cArn- wrote: Ok I think I have to clarify some things so everyone is on the same page. I played in 3 code A qualifiers : The first was when Spades was here, I did terrible, lost 0-2 first round, wasn't prepared at all. The second one, I had close to 2 weeks to prepare, and I remember HayprO and mOOnGLaDe played too. In this one I got to the semi-finals of my bracket, which is round 4 I believe, and lost. It was close series and lost because I made an error of judgement, didn't realise how far ahead I was in the first map and didn't go for the kill nor played safe so I got caught offguard by a very risky move. The last one where FXO came, I was really expecting to qualify, I had more than a month to prepare and was practising hardcore all that time (that's when I started streaming often around 10-12 hours a day). However I botched it and lost 1-2 in round 2 against ZeNEXNaYa, and was furious about it. I won very easily my first set against a protoss 2-0, then played NaYa, won the first map easily, and then I was like oh my god this is so easy this time, I'm actually going to make it, but I let my nerves get the better of me in the rest of the series. He reacted in a completely unexpected way to my build, it threw me off, tried to adapt while my build doesn't even need to against what he did, and went on tilt. I was even more furious about myself when I found out who I was supposed to play in the next rounds, it was opponents that were not a problem for me usually. I SHOULD have qualified, but I didn't. This time it wasn't me misjudging ingame or anything, it was just me choking, and that's the worst feeling ever. I was about to finally make it but somehow managed to ruin it all. Anyway that's how my attempts really went, up to you to decide whether it was good or not, for me it was obviously not good enough, only winning it all matters. I'll just talk really fast about the seeding part. Yes, I'dd prefer by far to qualify myself using my skills as a player rather than the fact that I'm a foreigner in Korea. But no, I wouldn't say no to a free spot in code A, I've already been very close to qualify, I've beaten code A players, I've beaten code S players, I've beaten GSL champions. So yes, I KNOW that I can compete in code A and win games, in fact I'm way more confident about playing in code A than the qualifiers themselves. Would it be fair for Koreans if I got seeded ? No. Was it fair when other foreigners got seeded, not really, and it's still not fair that other foreigners are getting seeded into code A. Anyway, I have to say that I'm blown away to see this kind of support and really warms my heart. It just gives me even more reasons to do everything I can to actually make it, prove the ones who doubt me wrong, and make the ones who believe in me proud. I'm having a hard time cause I haven't been able to practice the last 2 weeks or so, but I'm gonna find a way to still make it happen. I have to. Thanks everyone | ||
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mikyaJ
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a9arnn
United States1537 Posts
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-FoX
United States479 Posts
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
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mistax
United States415 Posts
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
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shawnyee
Sweden53 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
My mom would be actress if not for her vocal cords, she failed exam in theatre school. Deal with it or train hard and prove us wrong. | ||
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NasKe_
Brazil570 Posts
I hope so, and i hope he qualifes for the next code A, I'm rly cheering for you cArn! Good luck! | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On July 19 2011 06:10 bgx wrote: He was given free oportunity to play in korea, which many players in his position would dream of, he said himself he did stupid mistakes in qualifier, yet he still "demands" something ? If he would prepare mentally and not be overconfident (sorry how can you be overconfident when you are preparing for something for half a year or more, to throw it away again?). Your mistakes are inexcusable, because you chose your road by yourself, and you should know it from the starts its not gonna be easy. My mom would be actress if not for her vocal cords, she failed exam in theatre school. Deal with it or train hard and prove us wrong. Could you show me, where Carn is demanding anything? | ||
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All.In
United States214 Posts
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RetoX
Hong Kong252 Posts
On July 19 2011 05:53 Maenander wrote: I don't really think a Code A spot should be given to him for free, but he really seems good enough for a team to pick him up. I hope this thread does improve his chances (maybe the new FXO korea would give him a spot on the team?). cArn recently joined eSahara  | ||
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Rudiment
United States174 Posts
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moxley
United States65 Posts
On July 19 2011 04:50 Utinni wrote: You should really read a thread before you post your opinions, just common courtesy... cArn has already posted earlier in the thread explaining his situation in Korea. Should just take it easy before you talk about stuff you obviously don't know. + Show Spoiler + On July 18 2011 19:34 cArn- wrote: Ok I think I have to clarify some things so everyone is on the same page. I played in 3 code A qualifiers : The first was when Spades was here, I did terrible, lost 0-2 first round, wasn't prepared at all. The second one, I had close to 2 weeks to prepare, and I remember HayprO and mOOnGLaDe played too. In this one I got to the semi-finals of my bracket, which is round 4 I believe, and lost. It was close series and lost because I made an error of judgement, didn't realise how far ahead I was in the first map and didn't go for the kill nor played safe so I got caught offguard by a very risky move. The last one where FXO came, I was really expecting to qualify, I had more than a month to prepare and was practising hardcore all that time (that's when I started streaming often around 10-12 hours a day). However I botched it and lost 1-2 in round 2 against ZeNEXNaYa, and was furious about it. I won very easily my first set against a protoss 2-0, then played NaYa, won the first map easily, and then I was like oh my god this is so easy this time, I'm actually going to make it, but I let my nerves get the better of me in the rest of the series. He reacted in a completely unexpected way to my build, it threw me off, tried to adapt while my build doesn't even need to against what he did, and went on tilt. I was even more furious about myself when I found out who I was supposed to play in the next rounds, it was opponents that were not a problem for me usually. I SHOULD have qualified, but I didn't. This time it wasn't me misjudging ingame or anything, it was just me choking, and that's the worst feeling ever. I was about to finally make it but somehow managed to ruin it all. Anyway that's how my attempts really went, up to you to decide whether it was good or not, for me it was obviously not good enough, only winning it all matters. I'll just talk really fast about the seeding part. Yes, I'dd prefer by far to qualify myself using my skills as a player rather than the fact that I'm a foreigner in Korea. But no, I wouldn't say no to a free spot in code A, I've already been very close to qualify, I've beaten code A players, I've beaten code S players, I've beaten GSL champions. So yes, I KNOW that I can compete in code A and win games, in fact I'm way more confident about playing in code A than the qualifiers themselves. Would it be fair for Koreans if I got seeded ? No. Was it fair when other foreigners got seeded, not really, and it's still not fair that other foreigners are getting seeded into code A. Anyway, I have to say that I'm blown away to see this kind of support and really warms my heart. It just gives me even more reasons to do everything I can to actually make it, prove the ones who doubt me wrong, and make the ones who believe in me proud. I'm having a hard time cause I haven't been able to practice the last 2 weeks or so, but I'm gonna find a way to still make it happen. I have to. Thanks everyone Please show me what parts of cArn's post discounted my statements other than him only having played in 3 code A qualifiers, rather than 6.. to clarify my point, I was counting code A and code S qualifiers.. remember, he was there back when Artosis was doing the original code S qualification coverage.. | ||
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Arnfasta
United States183 Posts
On July 19 2011 06:10 bgx wrote: He was given free oportunity to play in korea, which many players in his position would dream of, he said himself he did stupid mistakes in qualifier, yet he still "demands" something ? If he would prepare mentally and not be overconfident (sorry how can you be overconfident when you are preparing for something for half a year or more, to throw it away again?). Your mistakes are inexcusable, because you chose your road by yourself, and you should know it from the starts its not gonna be easy. My mom would be actress if not for her vocal cords, she failed exam in theatre school. Deal with it or train hard and prove us wrong. I think you may have misunderstood him. In reading his post I didn't see him demanding anything. He was explaining to us what had happened from when he got to Korea till now and if he was demanding anything at all, it was of himself. Also, I'm not sure about you but it seems very easy to me that he could become overconfident. Imagine if you packed up your bags tomorrow and left for Korea. You arrived, not knowing the language or the culture, only the desire to play the best Starcraft you possible can. You try to get into the Premier SCII league and fail. So you train hard in Korea, having found a place to live by yourself, still away from all your friends and family, and you don't make the next qualifier you try for. You redouble your efforts and sweat blood and tears to be ready. You arrive on the qualifying day, feeling nervous but also excited. You breeze through your first match. You tear through teh second. It seems perfectly logical to me that all the expectation you built up since arriving amd all the hard work you've put in go to your head as you think you might finally do it. Your competition is really easy, you think to yourself: all the hard work has finally payed off, I'm gonna get my shot at making it big. If you gleened anything from Carn's post, it was probably how much pressure he puts on himself and how high his expectations are. So imagine living like that for months and finally getting a chance at what you've been striving for. He let that feeling of pre-mature satisfaction get to his head for a second and it cost him a chance at Code A. I'm not sure where you come to the conclusion that his mistakes are inexcusable but at least from my perspective, they were mistakes but mistakes many other people would have made. He's human like the rest of us. It sounds to me like you may be mixing the OP and Carn's post together some. The OP was a fan and friend of Carn's who wanted to create a thread documenting his journey. Carn's post was very different; it was to clarify some of the things asserted in the OP. | ||
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skrzmark
United States1528 Posts
On July 18 2011 15:48 godemperor wrote: TLO qualified for season 1 and season 2 before deciding to leave korea before season 3. Ret qualified for season 3 and qualified for code A in GSL January. He later got an invite to code a after getting knocked out in the first season. Haypro and HUk bith got invites. Wow hating on Haypro Hayders gonna hate! He qualified for Season 3 the first foreign player to do so! Got cheesed by your favorite player Bitbybit. | ||
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