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cArn : Road to the GSL - Page 14
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DustinQQ
United States69 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On July 18 2011 04:38 travis wrote: wtf naruto of course effort is the biggest factor has there ever been any player at the top, any player ever who has been at the absolute top, that didn't practice ALL THE TIME? Who didn't sacrifice everything for bw or sc2? No, there hasn't - because effort is by far the biggest factor. Like, it's not even close. The reason there are so many koreans that play so hard is completely because effort is the biggest factor and they know it. A bad player will become a great player with enough applied effort. A talented player will never become a great player without enough applied effort. Sure, the guy at the top will have a combination of huge amounts of talent and huge amounts of applied effort. But that's why he is at the top.. cuz he has it all. Effort is the biggest factor in getting good, but not the biggest factor you should consider when you actually have to pick someone for something like Code A. If you want to go back to Broodwar, take yosh for example. A player that really didn't play a lot, but he was fucking good for the amount he played. Same with Mondragon. Effort means you have the passion but it doesn't mean you will have success. You are saying it yourself, there are SO MANY KOREANS that play so hard and give up completely everything, yet a lot of those Koreans never manage to break into the proscene. I have huge respect of someone who gives up everything, has so much passion and devotes everything to the game, but it should not be a reason to take away a CodeA spot from a potentially much better player that doesn't play as much. Some people are naturally gifted in understanding the game and they have to put less effort and time in the game and they can still be good. I understand what you want to say, but I think you totally missunderstood me. | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On July 18 2011 14:31 sealpuncher wrote: I thought that Huk, Haypro, TLO, and Ret all got pity spots on the sole qualification that they were foreign players. They got in after failing in only one qualifier. cArn has been there for 9 months and had received no love. I just don't see the difference to be honest. TLO qualified for season 1 and season 2 before deciding to leave korea before season 3. Ret qualified for season 3 and qualified for code A in GSL January. He later got an invite to code a after getting knocked out in the first season. Haypro and HUk bith got invites. | ||
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RetoX
Hong Kong252 Posts
On July 16 2011 05:55 Naniwa wrote: perhaps i was too blunt, i simply mean that he shouldnt get a spot out of pity, there are 10000 koreans training their hearts out aswell for a spot in code a. but hey, thats just what i think ;p Says the man you get the free A code seeding. If you're that good, just go code B and make your way to earn your A spot. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On July 18 2011 19:20 RetoX wrote: Says the man you get the free A code seeding. If you're that good, just go code B and make your way to earn your A spot. Naniwa won MLG Dallas, placed 2nd at the HomeStoryCup (where he did beat MC) and placed 2nd in TSL. Thats 3 at least top 2 placements in 3 major tournaments. I'd say its more then fair to invite him. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On July 18 2011 19:26 mTw|NarutO wrote: Naniwa won MLG Dallas, placed 2nd at the HomeStoryCup (where he did beat MC) and placed 2nd in TSL. Thats 3 at least top 2 placements in 3 major tournaments. I'd say its more then fair to invite him. This. I respect cArn for giving it all, but if he wants a free invite, no one is stopping him from attending MLG etc and earning it. He's living in Korea playing like a Korean, and like all Koreans, to get to Code A he has to deal with Code B. | ||
Poopi
France12935 Posts
On July 18 2011 19:26 mTw|NarutO wrote: Naniwa won MLG Dallas, placed 2nd at the HomeStoryCup (where he did beat MC) and placed 2nd in TSL. Thats 3 at least top 2 placements in 3 major tournaments. I'd say its more then fair to invite him. He still couldn't qualify by himself and there are probably a lot of koreans who could have finished top 6 in MLG Colombus. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On July 18 2011 19:29 Poopi wrote: He still couldn't qualify by himself and there are probably a lot of koreans who could have finished top 6 in MLG Colombus. I don't know. Did Naniwa play Code-A qualifiers? If not, how can you say he could not probably go through it? And in the end, it doesn't matter. Naniwa proofed that he is capable of even beating GSL winners with MC.. If its so easy to get a free spot - then cArn should go and win a MLG tournament-_-. | ||
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Mr Tambourine Man
Netherlands190 Posts
On July 18 2011 19:20 RetoX wrote: Says the man you get the free A code seeding. If you're that good, just go code B and make your way to earn your A spot. Why do people have such a hard time understanding the idea behind the foreign invites? The invites make perfect sense seeing as you just can't do all the tournaments all around the world. Naniwa had chosen to compete in the west, carn has chosen to compete in korea. In his scene, Naniwa has shown his absolute awesomeness and is clearly one of the best western players. The invites are to allow players who have proven themselves in a different scene to show their skills in Korea. Carn, on the other hand has chosen to compete in the Korean scene. There he hasn't managed to show any actual results. It doesn't make sense to give him such an invite. That just isn't what they are there for. It isn't combining the scenes or anything seeing as carn is part of the korean scene. He made the choice to compete on the same level as the Koreans there, so that is what he gets. I really really hope he makes it though, that would be so awesome. I wish him all the best. | ||
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cArn-
Korea (South)824 Posts
I played in 3 code A qualifiers : The first was when Spades was here, I did terrible, lost 0-2 first round, wasn't prepared at all. The second one, I had close to 2 weeks to prepare, and I remember HayprO and mOOnGLaDe played too. In this one I got to the semi-finals of my bracket, which is round 4 I believe, and lost. It was close series and lost because I made an error of judgement, didn't realise how far ahead I was in the first map and didn't go for the kill nor played safe so I got caught offguard by a very risky move. The last one where FXO came, I was really expecting to qualify, I had more than a month to prepare and was practising hardcore all that time (that's when I started streaming often around 10-12 hours a day). However I botched it and lost 1-2 in round 2 against ZeNEXNaYa, and was furious about it. I won very easily my first set against a protoss 2-0, then played NaYa, won the first map easily, and then I was like oh my god this is so easy this time, I'm actually going to make it, but I let my nerves get the better of me in the rest of the series. He reacted in a completely unexpected way to my build, it threw me off, tried to adapt while my build doesn't even need to against what he did, and went on tilt. I was even more furious about myself when I found out who I was supposed to play in the next rounds, it was opponents that were not a problem for me usually. I SHOULD have qualified, but I didn't. This time it wasn't me misjudging ingame or anything, it was just me choking, and that's the worst feeling ever. I was about to finally make it but somehow managed to ruin it all. Anyway that's how my attempts really went, up to you to decide whether it was good or not, for me it was obviously not good enough, only winning it all matters. I'll just talk really fast about the seeding part. Yes, I'dd prefer by far to qualify myself using my skills as a player rather than the fact that I'm a foreigner in Korea. But no, I wouldn't say no to a free spot in code A, I've already been very close to qualify, I've beaten code A players, I've beaten code S players, I've beaten GSL champions. So yes, I KNOW that I can compete in code A and win games, in fact I'm way more confident about playing in code A than the qualifiers themselves. Would it be fair for Koreans if I got seeded ? No. Was it fair when other foreigners got seeded, not really, and it's still not fair that other foreigners are getting seeded into code A. Anyway, I have to say that I'm blown away to see this kind of support and really warms my heart. It just gives me even more reasons to do everything I can to actually make it, prove the ones who doubt me wrong, and make the ones who believe in me proud. I'm having a hard time cause I haven't been able to practice the last 2 weeks or so, but I'm gonna find a way to still make it happen. I have to. Thanks everyone | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
Also I can't believe people are bringing up how Naniwa got a "free invite", if raping everyone in the foreign scene all day errday isn't enough including people like MC then I don't know what is | ||
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Poopi
France12935 Posts
On July 18 2011 19:31 mTw|NarutO wrote: I don't know. Did Naniwa play Code-A qualifiers? If not, how can you say he could not probably go through it? And in the end, it doesn't matter. Naniwa proofed that he is capable of even beating GSL winners with MC.. If its so easy to get a free spot - then cArn should go and win a MLG tournament-_-. PuMa won NASL and has never qualified in GSL afaik... I'm not saying it is easy to get a free spot, I'm saying that it's unfair to give free spots for MLG placements, but if they are doing it anyways and that they want foreigners, they could have invited cArn and not Sheth for example (who was invited for placing 14th in MLG if I'm not mistaken?) | ||
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On July 18 2011 19:37 Poopi wrote: PuMa won NASL and has never qualified in GSL afaik... I'm not saying it is easy to get a free spot, I'm saying that it's unfair to give free spots for MLG placements, but if they are doing it anyways and that they want foreigners, they could have invited cArn and not Sheth for example (who was invited for placing 14th in MLG if I'm not mistaken?) Puma is an ex BW A team progamer, what is carn? | ||
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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Poopi
France12935 Posts
Dunno, then Haypro, Moonglade invites etc, it's the same, they were giving free spots to foreigners. | ||
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twiitar
Germany372 Posts
Anyways, I wish you all the best cArn! You're an actual inspiration, seeing as how you gave it all up just to be able to play in the GSL!  cArn hwaiting!! | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
cArn fighting!! While I don't think he should get a free spot from GOM, I think he might just get his lucky break if he perseveres a bit longer. | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On July 18 2011 19:48 twiitar wrote: Naruto just hating on cArn because cArn is better :V Anyways, I wish you all the best cArn! You're an actual inspiration, seeing as how you gave it all up just to be able to play in the GSL! cArn hwaiting!!He isn't hating on cArn and I agree with him. GOM shouldn't give players a Code A spot just because of their dedication and their sacrifices. | ||
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Clearout
Norway1060 Posts
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
On July 18 2011 19:38 Maliris wrote: Puma is an ex BW A team progamer, what is carn? SC2 is not BW, but he does have more achievements than cArn in SC2 I have to admit. | ||
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