EPTcArn : Road to the GSL - Page 13
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On July 18 2011 05:57 travis wrote: What makes you the best is clearly work AND talent... which one is the biggest factor is the question. if it's talent then why do the people who are at the top of their competitive games/sports always outwork their competition? you could always try doing some research on the opinions of people who were the best in their fields, I guarantee they are pretty much all going to say that they accomplished it because they worked the hardest. Saying "oh you'll never be the best if you aren't gifted" is such a stupid thing to say. Who knows if you are gifted or not? Are you saying you shouldn't bother trying to excell if you don't have an immediate knack? That's pathetically defeatist. People can do whatever they want to do, the key is to believe in yourself and actually try. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/10/30/8391794/index.htm Exactly, I can´t believe how many people are putting it all on talent. Its both but in the end effort and dedication is the deciding factor. Its actually kinda insulting for the players on top to conveniently forget how hard they had to work to get there and just call them a genius, right? | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
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Lutto
Sweden198 Posts
If he is good enough to to enter and not get roflstomped in the first round then gom should consider. | ||
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JiSu
Korea (South)140 Posts
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On July 18 2011 08:41 IcedBacon wrote: For the record, you can't just go ahead and say that he was one Bo3 away from getting into Code A. Some facts to back that up perhaps? Who did he beat on the way there and who knocked him out? According to FXO a few pages back he was two rounds from qualifying. Same I checked Artosis twitter for the time during qualifier, Carn reached only round 2. So he was NOT 1 bo3 from Code A. He was in fact two bo 3 from Code A. Here is the list of winner and the finalist (those who were 1 bo 3 from Code A) Qualified players:  oGsJ (beat  GanZi in the final round) - aka luvsic NOT oGsJookTo IOvShinyStar (beat TheStC in the final round)GuMiho (beat Line in the final round) Tails (beat Junwi in final round)Yoda (beat Seed in final round)IMHappy (beat Gambler in final round)oGsHero (beat DongRaeGu in final round)Choya (beat Parting in the final round) SocceR (beat NsHS.Shuttle in final round) Curious (beat horror in final round)Tassadar (beat ClassicPrime in final round)Puzzle (beat Sirius in final round)Leenock (beat Terious in the final round)Nuclear (beat BBoongBBoong in the final round)Dream (beat Tandongho in the final round)Im surprised it took until the 13th pages before someone relaised that the OP is not 100% truthful. Nothing against Carn, hope he does well, but the OP oversold him by a lot. During the qualification, both the FXO and others all said the real competition comes after round 2. | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
On July 18 2011 12:15 godemperor wrote: Same I checked Artosis twitter for the time during qualifier, Carn reached only round 2. So he was NOT 1 bo3 from Code A. He was in fact two bo 3 from Code A. Here is the list of winner and the finalist (those who were 1 bo 3 from Code A) Nice research. There goes that argument then, he didn't make it any farther than any other foreigner. I'm sure he's a solid player and all but it seems he's yet to prove that he's GSL material and deserving of a Code A invite. | ||
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
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Kewlots
Australia534 Posts
On July 16 2011 05:59 XKiller wrote: Is this cArn from Counter strike? Nope Would be sick to time on to GSL and see a foreigner had made it all on his own Carn fighting Ps I don't get naniwas post I'm pretty sure effort in most case is directly related to skill ie huk idra and um naniwa!!!! | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On July 18 2011 12:38 Kewlots wrote: Nope Would be sick to time on to GSL and see a foreigner had made it all on his own Carn fighting Ps I don't get naniwas post I'm pretty sure effort in most case is directly related to skill ie huk idra and um naniwa!!!! I just been reading through the thread, literally 59 people had to reply to clarify to about 3 people that this was not the carn from CS. | ||
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
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Yew
United States940 Posts
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
On July 18 2011 05:57 travis wrote: What makes you the best is clearly work AND talent... which one is the biggest factor is the question. if it's talent then why do the people who are at the top of their competitive games/sports always outwork their competition? you could always try doing some research on the opinions of people who were the best in their fields, I guarantee they are pretty much all going to say that they accomplished it because they worked the hardest. Saying "oh you'll never be the best if you aren't gifted" is such a stupid thing to say. Who knows if you are gifted or not? Are you saying you shouldn't bother trying to excell if you don't have an immediate knack? That's pathetically defeatist. People can do whatever they want to do, the key is to believe in yourself and actually try. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/10/30/8391794/index.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsE66SDo3Jw QFFT So much of BW success was based off whether the players put in the work or not. Players like Stork who are talented as fuck always come up short because they don't put in the effort. Flash practices until his wrists fall off, and Jaedong is known to be a practice machine. sAviOr was pretty talented, but as soon as he lost that fire to put in the effort, he fell off too (well that and the scandal >.>).Talent matters, but effort counts just as much. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good. No, but dedication shows character and that deserves respect. Also, he's almost made it into the hardest tournament in the world, from not having anything I'd say that is results and that given time and the environment for it he probably would make it. What people don't realize is that Koreans are not übermensches, they just have the best training regime combined with the best environment, this guy has had none of it and still almost makes it: Bear in fact that there are tons of koreans on the korean teams who are not in Code S or Code A. Coming from you Naniwa that is very cold and seems to show lack of empathy/understanding. | ||
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godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
Poor choice of words? Stop reminding me of it!  | ||
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chaopow
United States556 Posts
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sealpuncher
United States130 Posts
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zTz
United States476 Posts
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HomicidaL
United States283 Posts
On July 18 2011 14:31 sealpuncher wrote: I thought that Huk, Haypro, TLO, and Ret all got pity spots on the sole qualification that they were foreign players. They got in after failing in only one qualifier. cArn has been there for 9 months and had received no love. I just don't see the difference to be honest. They are on Team Liquid and carn has no representation, that seem to be the significant difference. I hope he gets a spot in the gom house, the kids got BALLS going to korea with no support at all. | ||
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