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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
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sirkyan
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On July 16 2011 17:53 JustPassingBy wrote: With sheth gone, there should be an open place in the house, no? Ask GOM. No one else could really know. Are you 100% positive that he wasn't kicked out (or asked to leave or whatever) just because the FXO-team alone would make it over-crowded? Maybe the current amount of people is the ideal amount. And so on. It's hardly anyone else's decision than GOM to make ! | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
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mapthesoul
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On July 16 2011 17:14 mTw|NarutO wrote: I can't believe you are saying this. Effort is not the biggest factor - never. You can put your life on the line (like giving up your previous life etc) but if you are just not good enough, thats how it is. You should not be favored over someone who doesn't train as much, but is simply gifted and naturally good for whatever reason. Its nice to put a lot of effort into something and its something I personally highly respect, but its certainly not a reason to get picked for something like Code A. As Nani said, there are 10000 Koreans playing their hearts out literally grinding Starcraft 2 and they don't get to be picked just because of their efforts. Edit: I'm not saying he doesn't deserve or spot or shouldn't be granted one, I'm just saying that effort is not the biggest factor in eSports. I haven't followed him all that much, but I wish him best of luck. Yeah there are 10000 koreans but they are giving away code A spots to foreigners, how sad is that. | ||
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namedplayer
844 Posts
On July 16 2011 18:50 Poopi wrote: Yeah there are 10000 koreans but they are giving away code A spots to foreigners, how sad is that. you know.. nobody can get code a spots with out foregners invites.. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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has there ever been any player at the top, any player ever who has been at the absolute top, that didn't practice ALL THE TIME? Who didn't sacrifice everything for bw or sc2? No, there hasn't - because effort is by far the biggest factor. Like, it's not even close. The reason there are so many koreans that play so hard is completely because effort is the biggest factor and they know it. A bad player will become a great player with enough applied effort. A talented player will never become a great player without enough applied effort. Sure, the guy at the top will have a combination of huge amounts of talent and huge amounts of applied effort. But that's why he is at the top.. cuz he has it all. | ||
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
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IcedBacon
Canada906 Posts
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Meteora.GB
Canada2479 Posts
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
The amount of work isn't what makes you the best, it is talent. Yes, without work talent is useless, but without talent you won't achieve anything. That's the bottom line. You can dream to be a good SC2 player all you want, you won't win any major tournament if you aren't gifted. | ||
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
On July 18 2011 05:49 Otolia wrote: This thread is becoming flooded by people who read two much mangas. The amount of work isn't what makes you the best, it is talent. Yes, without work talent is useless, but without talent you won't achieve anything. That's the bottom line. You can dream to be a good SC2 player all you want, you won't win any major tournament if you aren't gifted. How can you define talent in Starcraft 2? Carn is a newcomer in the SC scene competing a bunch of former B-Teamers (who are courage winners and a result of 12 hours of daily practice) in the Code A tournament. It's like a new recuit against a bunch of battle hardened veterans. Have nothing to do with talent. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
which one is the biggest factor is the question. if it's talent then why do the people who are at the top of their competitive games/sports always outwork their competition? you could always try doing some research on the opinions of people who were the best in their fields, I guarantee they are pretty much all going to say that they accomplished it because they worked the hardest. Saying "oh you'll never be the best if you aren't gifted" is such a stupid thing to say. Who knows if you are gifted or not? Are you saying you shouldn't bother trying to excell if you don't have an immediate knack? That's pathetically defeatist. People can do whatever they want to do, the key is to believe in yourself and actually try. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/10/30/8391794/index.htm | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On July 16 2011 05:44 kcaz wrote: Thats a really good idea /sarcasm. Not to be mean, but I'd rather GOM give the spot to someone deserving rather than someone out of pity. I'd much much much rather see DRG in Code A (A ZERG that is one of the best players in the world) than Carn (A TERRAN). Just because he's a foreigner, doesn't mean he should get a spot in Code A. First of all, why should race matter? Second of all, GOM aren't going to give a Korean a free spot in code A, they give them to foreigners because they think more foreign players will give them more foreign viewers. Its unfortunate for Carn that his dedication to getting into the GSL has come at the cost of the recognition in the foreign community that would help him an invite into code a. Carn deserves respect, he's a good player and has become a good player in true SC1 fashion, without the help and support that a team would provide him. I hope he gets back into the GOM house soon. He was there for at least the first few weeks FXO were, and aren't they moving somewhere else soon? Carn sometimes streams, it's worth watching and will also help support him in his goal. I wish Carn the best and hope it works out for him so we can soon see another European in code a. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
I also wonder how he pays for all of this :D I will follow his stream from now on to support him. | ||
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JBanKs
United Kingdom617 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
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Cite
Australia251 Posts
I guess you could attribute it to the minority of the opposite opinion coming out when they see their opinion being backed up by others, but its just horribly funny if you think about it. in regards to carn - no he really probably doesn't deserve the spot to some extent but from whats been mentioned hes made it farther through the qualifiers bar sheth and glade who were given spots and going by what people say of the qualifiers that does say something. | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On July 18 2011 05:18 Meteora.GB wrote: cArn has put a lot of dedication into Korea that it amazes me. However, I wouldn't give a Code A seed out to him out in pity... There are just better players that are out there in Code B struggling to get through the qualifiers (because lets face it, its a long ass qualifier with tons of cheese and if not each game is at least 20 minutes long, competition is also fierce). Names such as Puma, DRG, MMA and Squirtle are waiting to get right into Code A. lols you know he nearly got into code a right? He was knocked out by 1 game. If you're saying someone who can get that far in the qualifiers doesn't deserve to be in Code A then you are just dumb. In my eyes, if DRG/MMA/Squirtle/Puma can't get that far - then they don't deserve the spot. It takes a lot of mental strength to play through the qualifiers and cArn getting that far shows that he is dedicated, a good player, and has the mentality that pro gamer needs. As the OP has stated, his not really had the chance to practice a lot because of GOM shafting him. The code A spot would of been "pity" but if he can get so close so many times, then I think the pity is well needed for someone so dedicated to reach his dream. His the only foreigner in my eyes to have such dedication for his goals. | ||
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
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