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gm.tOSS
Germany898 Posts
On July 16 2011 06:04 NuKedUFirst wrote: Shitty of FXO to basically kick him out. GOM just can't give away code A spots though. Hopefully he'll get picked up by a team. What makes you think that FXO kicked them out? There is no info on that. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
Those citing that he was 1 Bo3 away from qualifying, I'm pretty sure that was just one season and I don't think cArn has ever made the actual final round of a Qualifier (being 1 Bo3 away means 2nd last round). With that he absolutely deserves respect (since all of FXO were comparatively destroyed - HOWEVER, you should take into account that he has played there for almost 9 months, he is much more familiar to Korean play than the others who were there for a week), but I don't think he's ever done anything that even remotely indicates he has some hidden talent just getting unlucky (i.e. DRG). I applaud his dedication, I don't think there's really anybody out there he could argue he gives his best, but whether or not he deserves "a pity" Code A offer to likely get 0-2'd, I'm skeptical. All other foreigners (Glade, Ret, Huk, Haypro), with the exception for maybe Sheth were given their spot based on some merit of skill. Even then Sheth is at least a "famous" player. P.S. Yes, he's on a team now: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=242468 | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On July 16 2011 06:05 jenzebubble wrote: That is the thing, they already have just given away Code A spots. LOL I forgot about that! :p I don't think they should but, however they should increase the Code A prize pool to make it worth competing in. | ||
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
On July 16 2011 06:03 jenzebubble wrote: If I remember correctly, none of those players qualified for Code A. There are maybe about 10-12 foreigners who could achieve this in nowadays qualifier i guess. It would be really interesting to see cArn in foreign tournaments. He should participate in more online tournaments, then get a team after a few wins and hope that the team provides any money/place to stay in korea or flys him to offline tournaments :D | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On July 16 2011 05:43 Naniwa wrote: effort doesnt equal results nor being good. Thing is, he got further than entire FXO team, including Oz and qxc, in the last code A qualifiers. After saying this, I have to ask one thing: Would I be an ass if I ask the definition of "being good" from you? Any definition that puts tgun, slog, moonan in the category "good" would put cArn in the same category easily. | ||
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jenzebubble
United States183 Posts
On July 16 2011 06:08 MasterReY wrote: There are maybe about 10-12 foreigners who could achieve this in nowadays qualifier i guess. It would be really interesting to see cArn in foreign tournaments. He should participate in more online tournaments, then get a team after a few wins and hope that the team provides any money/place to stay in korea or flys him to offline tournaments :D I am failing to name, in my head, 10-12 foreigner players that could qualify for Code A at the moment. Do you mean with an extended stay and after multiple attempts? DRG is considered by many to be a very skilled player and even he has had difficulty qualifying for Code A. It's brutal, man. | ||
Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
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Schmieds
United States312 Posts
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hiREvel
United States80 Posts
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Naniwa
Sweden477 Posts
On July 16 2011 06:09 Djagulingu wrote: Thing is, he got further than entire FXO team, including Oz and qxc, in the last code A qualifiers. After saying this, I have to ask one thing: Would I be an ass if I ask the definition of "being good" from you? Any definition that puts tgun, slog, moonan in the category "good" would put cArn in the same category easily. i didnt say he wasnt good i have no clue about that ^^ | ||
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koolaid1990
831 Posts
if not, carn could always enter NA tournies, he would win every single one. 10 bucks he would be top 50 gm | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On July 16 2011 06:09 Djagulingu wrote: Thing is, he got further than entire FXO team, including Oz and qxc, in the last code A qualifiers. After saying this, I have to ask one thing: Would I be an ass if I ask the definition of "being good" from you? Any definition that puts tgun, slog, moonan in the category "good" would put cArn in the same category easily. I'll try and make this my last post here, because I don't want to start taking away from the OP and seem like a prick. GSL Qualifiers: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=234749 cArn never made it to the FINAL round (so those saying Kiwi/Incontrol/Huk all made it to the final round are actually justified in saying they made it further than cArn). cArn has been in Korea for 9 months, he is much more familiar the Korean aggresion that the other players. Qxc made it as far as cArn in one shot. Also, nobody is saying players like slog and tgun are particularly strong players. As cool a person as slog is, he has one of the worst records in all of starcraft II gaming, with 24% winrate in the international scene (mostly NA tournaments...), tgun has 35%. | ||
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OnFiRe888
United States629 Posts
Question @ OP, don't all koreans also go through the same trials and tribulations? sure they don't leave their home country, but they do sacrifice a lot of time with family and friends. (wasn't carn about to join team fou? what happened to that) | ||
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SxYSpAz
United States1451 Posts
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MyLastSerenade
Germany710 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 16 2011 05:50 jenzebubble wrote: I am a Fracophobe of the highest order. That said, I've casually followed cArn's time in Korea. I applaud his dedication and work ethic. If Sheth can be gifted a Code A spot, why not cArn? Basically this. cArn is certainly good enough to make a splash in the EU scene if he went back home, but he's stuck to his goal of being the best possible player he can be, no matter the costs. That's something you can't say of Sheth or even Ret/Haypro/TLO/IdrA. If you want someone to root for who doesn't play SC2 for the money, but instead to be as good as they possibly can be, then you should root for cArn. I don't know if GOM should gift him a Code A spot, but it's aggravating to see others get it above him, and heartbreaking to hear he's been kicked out of the GOM House for FXO. | ||
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OnFiRe888
United States629 Posts
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
Best of luck to carn. | ||
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Mano
United States192 Posts
Also Sheth did not get his spot from code A qualifiers, and he was invited for his performance at MLG however this invitation was separate from the GSL-MLG exchange program. I believe the invitation was extended not only based on his MLG performance but also on the fact that FXO had already decided to move to Korea for GSTL and thus Sheth would be in the country already. Hope that clears up some confusion, continue Discussion. My two bits, I think cArn has a lot of guts and clear determination, although I think it would be unlikely and unwise of gom to invite him to code A, I do sincerely hope that he manages to get through the qualifier before he returns to France in September. | ||
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