Real Time Mafia - Page 19

On June 29 2011 01:26 TheAwesomeAll wrote:

FoS list

hiro
GM
syllogism
Drazerk

On June 28 2011 11:54 GMarshal wrote:


Lets get this show on the road then. Activity is not going to create itself, and we need to make sure we have a working game.

Basically allow me to start with this little tidbit. Lurkers, this is your first and final warning. I will *not* allow you to lurk. If you aren't going to be active you are *very* quickly not going to be alive anymore. Consider it my... promise... to you.

gtrsrs. Hi. Pull shit like you did in SNMMIV, where you essentially sabotaged the town by creating a horrible day 1 atmosphere and I will absolutely *relish* your death. I don't want to kill you, but if you threaten this towns chances at victory I will.

Players who want to be trolls. Same applies to you, I will not allow it, period, not happening, not on my watch.

We will win this, we will kill scum, and no one is going to keep that from happening as long as I have the power to impede it.

Any questions?

On June 28 2011 13:27 GMarshal wrote:

This is the kind of stuff you REFRAIN from posting. If you think someone is soft claiming medic or DT or accidentally let slip their role then you DO NOT point it out.

The mafia might miss it, so its best if you don't call attention to it. By pointing it out you just painted a huge target on chaos13's back if he is town.

On June 28 2011 14:38 GMarshal wrote:
A pro-town atmosphere is one in which it is possible to scumhunt and read the thread without having to wade through crap. Its explained in Ver's town guide, but basically it means no mud flinging, no beating dead horses, avoiding unjustified OMGUS and generally behaving as gentlemen towards each other. If we do this we can generate and use information, it will also encourage newer posters to post. Thats the theory at least ^_^

To achieve this don't random FoS, treat even stupid ideas with respect (shoot them down, but theres no need to say "God you moron, you suck" just shoot it down) and behave in a way that makes people *want* to post and listen to what you have to say.

Also that post you pointed out is also similar to my post in the first 4 min of Closed Casket Mafia . Its a stylistic choice, and I really like the pictures of the grim reaper (not to mention I have like 12 I had ready for CCM, but then I was killed... ;_;) . Plus I hate lurkers, and I needed a conversation starter, so I chose to talk about them.

Any other questions?

On June 28 2011 13:53 GMarshal wrote:


A list for you then. Its split into three levels. People I know to be experienced or good, people who are not quite vets, but have played before and know what they are doing and people who are new/have few games that showcase good play.

Vets
3. GMarshal (Hi!)
10. youngminii (long time player, usually very aggressive)
15. Jackal58 (endgame player, you are familiar with him, for those not familiar with him, in my experience he is not the best day1-2 player, but really excels when we hit day 5-6)
19. sandroba (read Sleeper Cell if you need a good reason why he is on here)
23. Palmar (In particular his scum play in SNMMII)
25. ~OpZ~ (oldtimer as well, I'm not aware of what his last notable game, because it predates me. I also lack meta on him)
26. LSB (A decent player, as town or scum he comes up with decent plans and tries to lead the town. Prone to powerplays as scum)
27. Mr. Wiggles (another excellent player, he makes very compelling organized posts, but often comes off as scummy even when town since he tends to rehash a lot of what people have said. He plays a better than average game as scum, see his win with Kavdragon in Insane Mafia 2)


Mid-tier players
1. DropBear - played some really solid games and is a strong player overall. He has no showings of singlehandedly dominating however, he may be misplaced here and be a candidate for Vet status.
2. sinani206 - played a couple games, not awful, but lacking a solid game to make a judgment of off
5. Cthsazsa - active contributing newbie, a little too trusting and willing to take people at their word. Much potential, interested to see where he goes. (Oh and I keep accidentally thinking he is a girl. Sorry -__-)
7. Kenpachi - likes to lurk, is good with a gun, but I have yet to see him play a game where he takes a solid leadership position
8. Lanaia - only seen her play in Insane Mafia 2 where she had a decent showing. Caught on to Kav's BS when the rest of the town missed it. She is really experienced on IRC mafia.
12. hiro protagonist - played a couple of games, did decently, I lack meta on him, as I don't think I've been in a game with him before.
13. Mig -same deal as hiro, no meta from me, played a few games.
14. Rean - Played more than hiro and mig, has a tendency to lurk (if PTP is a basis to judge on). Makes good calls in confusing situations
17. chaos13 - played a bunch here and away from here, but I lack meta on him
18. Eiii - experienced player who both lacks self confidence and has a tendency to lurk hardcore.
22. VisceraEyes -as hiro. Played a few games, nothing spectacular IIRC
24. Vain - as VE.
30. Varpulis - had a couple solid games, nothing massive, but solid. Hates lurkers, so a man after my own heart

new players (no meta on these, obviously)

4. gtrsrs
6. aprudds
9. Torqez
11. Hyaach
16. TheAwesomeAll
20. Navillus
21. Sinani201
28. syllogism
29. Drazerk

Again, my limited meta knowledge on these players and relative rankings. Please no one take offense as these are IMO.

This is where we finish discussing vet lists. The won't give anymore useful information and will allow others to fake contribute with useless lists. I posted this by request and it should NOT be considered a contribution, as scum can do this as easily as town.Again, no more vet lists

On June 29 2011 02:37 DropBear wrote:

Dude saying that sinani's a lot more active isn't a town tell at all. Noone wants to be on that lurker list. It's not activity we are looking at, it's much more about content.

Why do you disagree with GM being Mafia? What do you mean by pro-town? Who are these better targets for day 1 you speak of?

On June 29 2011 02:31 TheAwesomeAll wrote:

So just because he is active as he was when he played town, he must be town now as well? In that case Jackal is townie, since he led a foolish day 1 lynch in the game i played with him as well.
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On June 29 2011 02:22 sinani206 wrote:

I never said we should kill the leaders. I said that if they do happen to be Mafia, it's ㅈㅈ already. I'm telling players not to take lead because of this. I didn't say to kill leaders, I said to not become one.

On June 29 2011 02:41 GMarshal wrote:
It wasn't OMGUS, as far as I'm concerned, he said "I'm keeping my eye on GM", but I voted for him because I felt like his post was
1.) Cynic and bashing our efforts thus far
2.) Weak as hell, he had an accusation of hiro, but no vote and about two lines of reasoning. Now I happen to agree with him, but I wanted to see him commit to voting hiro, to see how serious he is. Remember a mafia trait is to start wagons without committing to them. I wanted to see commitment. His reaction was interesting, but not damning, and he did vote for hiro, which assuaged some of my doubts, but I want to keep my vote on him till there is somewhere better to put it.

Sorry I went to bed, any other questions?

As for the person who said that promising analysis is scummy, its only scummy when you don't deliver, I will, its just I like to dedicate most of day 1 to information gathering. ^_^

(and TAA, I love smilies, I use them a lot. See experimental mafia II for other "cutesy" things I like, I'm very eccentric )

On June 29 2011 02:08 TheAwesomeAll wrote:

im youre first post (except for your /ins) that doesnt mention the word 'lurker'
But your right if i want something to be accomplished i might have to stop messing around, dont get me wrong
Hiro
Drazerk
Palmar
GM
Syllo (least sure about this one)
are all mafia imo.
GM however is their most skilled player, and most likely their GF
EVERYONE please read my posts on him, and let me know if you agree/disagree
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it shows his contradictions, how he defends Hiro and quickly backs up, everything why i
##vote:GMarshal
basicly

On June 29 2011 03:13 sinani206 wrote:
*sigh*

Why do I always get lynched D1?

Drazerk and Palmar both have crappy reasons for voting for me. DropBear is the only one that had a good reason but now he's tunneling. GM is obviously a better candidate.

On June 29 2011 02:51 GMarshal wrote:


Please, please, please keep it down to one or two candidates day 1, too many FoSes only causes chaos and disjointed voting. If you want to push my case go for it, but limit yourself to that and maybe one other, posting 4 mafia candidates allows the mafia to push whichever ones they want from that list, while ignoring the guilty.

On June 28 2011 21:46 Drazerk wrote:
After reading Dropbear's post on Henry is anyone Else suspicious of Edward the first?

At the start of the game he is Pretty much forced into talking by Henry which Dropbear picked up on but no one really followed it up. ( I think LSB died a few moments later )



As other people have said the majority of his posts are him stating they are not the same person and the only thing he has truly contributed was outlining a mistake by Chaos Either Alerting his mafia buddies of a possible medic claim or just being stupid



Personally Im suspecting Both Edward and Henry due to the amount of Fluff they are producing to keep of that lurker list

On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote:


How do I always get pinned as mafia within the first day... Do you really want me to start martyring again? left right and centre?

Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive )

As for Hiro I did not get into the day until after he dropped off and am going to need to look at all of his posts again before I say anything.

On June 29 2011 01:35 Drazerk wrote:


From my experience the more unlikely something is the more likely it is to happen ... if that makes any sense at all

Why not have both of them as mafia would be pretty easy to hide as "RL friends"

On June 29 2011 03:01 Mig wrote:


Sinani has been useless every game he has played why is he more useless/scummy this game? Look at his first game as mafia he attempted to fake contribute heavily to stay under the radar. I haven't really seen him do any of that.

The better targets day 1 I think are guys like Jackal who aren't contributing and are playing out of character or someone like Eiii who promises to be pro town and contribute his thoughts then goes right back to lurking without actually providing any content.



No no active definitely does not just equal town, but I mean in general I would prefer to lynch someone less active day 1 because as long as GM is alive he is going to be active and so we are going to have a ton of information to use to determine whether he is town or mafia.

Hm I do agree though that GM's case against you is incredibly weak. But I will wait to see how he follows up on it before instantly declaring him scum for it.

I will say that If GM continues with just posting pro town advice and not any actual good analysis and scum hunting I would be willing to change my opinion about him.

On June 29 2011 03:18 chaos13 wrote:
I think the bandwagon on GMarshal is stupid and ridiculous. He has been more vocal and pro-town than anyone else in the game so far, and has clearly demonstrated that he is not afraid to be questioned, pressured, and is willing to share his thoughts and opinions. I would suggest DT roles go take a look if there are any players who subtly called him scummy and then let others pick up the bandwagon. Those are the people you should probably check today.

theAwesomeAll - You're doing a lot of weak FoS'ing and fingerpointing, but you are at least trying to come up with a case for each one. What I suggest you do is calm down a bit and really start analyzing those players and come up with a solid case, and for today just focus on one or two. However, you've shown that you are active and ready to share your thoughts, so I think you are most likely town.

youngminii - I'm still not comfortable with you. Yes, you improved your FoS' slightly, but they're still flying all over the place and still targeting seemingly random players. I would give you the same advice I suggested to theAwesomAll. Get more evidence before you accuse someone.

Sinani206 - Lots of fluff from you, little of substance. I would like to see more opinions from you on other players. All I can recall at the moment is discussion of lurkers/game mechanics and other safe topics.

Jackal58 - He isn't as active as usual, but I felt that his one post was very pro-town. At the point he made it we had fallen into a mess discussing lurkers when that topic had already been resolved at the beginning of the game, and he stopped this. As town he loves making angry posts about how dumb town is being, and they almost always serve to get discussion back on track.



One thing I feel needs to be mentioned: We have five different people with 1-2 votes each on them. This won't do us any good, since scum can support any one of those arguments and make a sly vote that won't put them in the spotlight. We need to keep our lynch candidates to a small number so that scum are pressured to make a decision.

On June 29 2011 03:10 GMarshal wrote:
I'll move my vote to hiro. When I feel its time. I thought something was off about TAA, and I thought having a vote on him might make him squirm. He hasn't quite twiched the way I expected, which is good, so I will move my vote off, eventually, as of right now Im curious as to the uproar its causing. . I made my vote based on his initial post, and I still feel like it was justified.

Why are you so upset about my vote though? Its only one vote, and you *know* how I like to move my vote around day 1. Why aren't you bothered by any of the *other* votes in the thread?

And lynching one of the most active players day 1 is as retarded as it gets, you lynch a mid tier activity player, one who is posting without calling attention to himself.

On June 29 2011 03:28 Vain wrote:
Really wtf guys. Why are you still voting for TAA? You are both not putting pressure on him and just voting because he's bad town in your eyes. Bad town still doesn't make scum.

The reasons you give for currently voting on him are:
1: since I want to see you tick
2: Pointing out scum

Of all people you should know that random finger pointing is not really a scumtell *coughkurumicough* and that there are better targets than TAA. At least now we have some discussion going on and not just pro/against lurker killing.

On June 29 2011 01:32 Drazerk wrote:
Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive )

On June 29 2011 03:36 DropBear wrote:
Whoa Drazerk, where did this come from?

As far as I can tell, you never really attacked Marshal in the first place. The only thing I can find is this and it's not exactly a wild accusation.


What's the deal with the big claim of changing your mind? You never really attacked him. Plus you decide GMarshal is not scum based on hiro's posts? DOES NOT COMPUTE explain plz