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On June 29 2011 01:26 TheAwesomeAll wrote:YM and Syllo stop arguing with each other, you arent producing anything. Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 00:38 syllogism wrote:
I checked his post history earlier. He has generated a lot of discussion which is goodt and is obviously attempting to establish himself as a town leader. Some of his posts have a bit weak logic, but I didn't notice anything particularly anti-town. I'm leaning town as if he were scum, he would pretty much have to be GF. Stating he isn't wishywashy about his vote is a bit odd though. Who are you talking about? What do you think? cast your vote? You are soft defending him, like really really soft. Almost as if you dont want to be associated with him if he were to turn red. Dont do that . Also you are playing so defensive Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 00:12 syllogism wrote:
Oh okay so the one who has actually posted something of substance is the suspicious one. The one who has given the new and different format some thought rather than post worthless lists and copy pasted "how town should play" guides. Perfect.
My plan for lynch was going to be lynching someone who has posted a lot to avoid being on the lurker list without contributing anything, but unfortunately some players feel the need to post their every single thought, including the fact this is a decent idea if there are no better alternatives present. I even hinted that Dropbear should stop alluding to this plan as it relies on players not actually being aware of it, but he still made another reference. what was that post about, who is accusing you? FoS list
hiro
GM
syllogism
Drazerk
YM stop spamming, you are not doing the town any favors. Also arguing with Syllo will only does him favors if he is scum. In general these stupid 'fights' are really anti town since mafia can blend in, participate, post, with 0% slip chance. Why is everyone ignoring GM?? I posted a LOT on him and no one is responding? Dropbear posted 2 posts 1 accusing GM 1 accusing *Henry* Drazerk comes in and Asking if anyone else felt like he did after that post of Dropbear. Removing all his responsability, then he waits for Palmar to vote before he votes. Discussion derailed. As pointed out above drazerk is obvious mafia, But he isnt sitting back, hes actively derailing the thread so GMarshal doesnt get lynchedDrazerk do you think GM is mafia? Can you defend yourself? Do you think Hiro is mafia?
How do I always get pinned as mafia within the first day... Do you really want me to start martyring again? left right and centre?
Anyway i think GMarshal is possibly scum im not certain unlike how I am with 201/206 so im not going to stick my neck out on the line unless im certain ( see XL / Mini I rarely commit until im positive )
As for Hiro I did not get into the day until after he dropped off and am going to need to look at all of his posts again before I say anything.
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On June 29 2011 01:28 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 22:24 Drazerk wrote:On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote:
only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was:
a) post fluff, lists and useless shit
b) claim veteran
c) get lynched.
It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway.
But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing. Hmm As im already FoSing these two guys I still think 201 may be a more of a pressing target as he has acted most like scum, although I believe both of them are possible scum and if 206 comes up red we will Probably have another shot to take Tommorow. ( See that small pointless engagement at the start of the game ) Do you really think they are both scum? seems a bit unlikely doesnt it?
From my experience the more unlikely something is the more likely it is to happen ... if that makes any sense at all
Why not have both of them as mafia would be pretty easy to hide as "RL friends"
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Arguing with scum is definitely pro-town as long as it's not pure OMGUS and you should do it whenever possible. As I said I'm leaning towards GM being town for now and as such I'm not casting a vote on him. We've over 30 hours until lynch and I don't particularly believe in pressure voting people I'm not suspicious of. The way I approach mafia is first and foremost statistical, which is to say I can never know someone is mafia until they flip red or I detective check them. How people act and what they say simply increase the probability of them being mafia, despite the meta here being that you've to be certain about your votes.
I'm starting to reconsider whether this approach is good and whether I actually enjoy playing mafia.
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Hi people, soooo the voting on sinani seems really silly, first off it was declared "let's bandwagon this" which as I understand it is not the town's goal, also this whole thing was started with the apparently 'scummy' opinion that strong leaders are bad, which I totally agree with. If one leader gets too much power/influence and they're either scum or just wrong one too many times then the entire town is screwed by it, town should work as smaller groups and not let 1 person direct the entire agenda. Frankly the attacks on sinani are pretty scummy they put words into his mouth talking about how he wanted to kill leaders and lurkers which 1. they say is contradictory though it isn't (we want people to be between those two, extremes are bad) and 2. He never says that he wants to kill leaders or even that everyone should watch them just that he has personal suspicions of them.
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The roles should have been randomized, likely with random.org. I doubt that RoL "strategically" planted roles on each of us.
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On June 29 2011 01:41 Navillus wrote:
Hi people, soooo the voting on sinani seems really silly, first off it was declared "let's bandwagon this" which as I understand it is not the town's goal, also this whole thing was started with the apparently 'scummy' opinion that strong leaders are bad, which I totally agree with. If one leader gets too much power/influence and they're either scum or just wrong one too many times then the entire town is screwed by it, town should work as smaller groups and not let 1 person direct the entire agenda. Frankly the attacks on sinani are pretty scummy they put words into his mouth talking about how he wanted to kill leaders and lurkers which 1. they say is contradictory though it isn't (we want people to be between those two, extremes are bad) and 2. He never says that he wants to kill leaders or even that everyone should watch them just that he has personal suspicions of them.
who do you think is scum?
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TheAwesomeAll, stop posting multiple targets.
Find a target, and just kill him.
Hey, also, why don't we just hang GM like a proper newbie town?
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On June 29 2011 01:41 Navillus wrote:
Hi people, soooo the voting on sinani seems really silly, first off it was declared "let's bandwagon this" which as I understand it is not the town's goal, also this whole thing was started with the apparently 'scummy' opinion that strong leaders are bad, which I totally agree with. If one leader gets too much power/influence and they're either scum or just wrong one too many times then the entire town is screwed by it, town should work as smaller groups and not let 1 person direct the entire agenda. Frankly the attacks on sinani are pretty scummy they put words into his mouth talking about how he wanted to kill leaders and lurkers which 1. they say is contradictory though it isn't (we want people to be between those two, extremes are bad) and 2. He never says that he wants to kill leaders or even that everyone should watch them just that he has personal suspicions of them.
I disagree. A strong leader is good for the town, as long as people take everything he says and criticize and analyse it.
No one is forcing anyone to follow the leader, so there is no reason to be suspicious of people trying to lead the town.
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On June 29 2011 01:57 Palmar wrote:
TheAwesomeAll, stop posting multiple targets.
Find a target, and just kill him.
Hey, also, why don't we just hang GM like a proper newbie town?
im youre first post (except for your /ins) that doesnt mention the word 'lurker' 
But your right if i want something to be accomplished i might have to stop messing around, dont get me wrong
Hiro
Drazerk
Palmar
GM
Syllo (least sure about this one)
are all mafia imo.
GM however is their most skilled player, and most likely their GF
EVERYONE please read my posts on him, and let me know if you agree/disagree
+ Show Spoiler +On June 28 2011 23:46 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 16:54 GMarshal wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 28 2011 16:40 TheAwesomeAll wrote:No surprise, the thread is being spammed up with nothing but technical issues "lets create a pro town atmosphere" and references to old mafia games. Dont spent any more posts on the new interesting format!~ New formats in general favor scum because they are allowed to talk about technical issues the first day, town shoots some noob/lurker and everyone is happy. The lurker mechanism is just a call to spam, but GMarshal is really pushing it. Your clock is ticking, cute. This is the one of the few good posts made so far: Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 14:44 sinani206 wrote:Pro-Town atmosphere would ideally be: - No taking lead.
Being a "leader" seems really scummy to me. I just have this innate bias that leaders are mafia, and even though there is quite a slim chance of them being scum, if they are, town has already lost.
- No spamming.
As has been mentioned before, all spamming does is derail town. It makes posts hard to find and confuses people so that scum are harder to analyse and pin for what they really are.
- Active scumhunting.
Scumhunting is obviously very pro-town. It gives the town a good discussion point and helps (obviously) find mafia. No reason not to do this.
- No lurking.
Lurking is confusing for all players who aren't lurking. It makes you hard to analyse. Obviously with all the anti-lurking abilities in this game, it isn't much of an issue, but keep this in mind.
That pretty much covers it. If anyone has any additions, feel free to share. Keep all of these points in mind when posting and analyzing. Off to play some SotIS and then go to sleep. Probably won't check the thread until morning. Good night folks! So instead of another technical issue or something im going to point the first FoS in the game. The most spammy player in the game: Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
yeah... Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 12:39 hiro protagonist wrote:On June 28 2011 12:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote:On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. Also, since lurking is defined by third party judgement, there's a chance that Spammers will also show up on the lurker list, due to quality of posts and actual word count. Shoot who you think is scummy, not who you think is worthless. -_- Your right, Vigs should hit those who are scummy. Those that are Spamming the thread are acting scummy. I didn't make a plan, I was giving out words of wisdom. Don't twist my words please. @Wiggles: you remember PTP right? I don't want that to happen with this thread... talking about lurkers like his live depends on it, i would love it if people stopped mentioning other games without explanation. Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 13:06 hiro protagonist wrote:
@LSB: What do you have in mind? speaking for myself, I cant think of a way to abuse it because the list is chosen from a 3rd party... The lurker mechanism is soooooo interesting. And to top it all of, something that is so ridiculously safe to post Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 13:34 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, chaos, he is a list:
GMarshal
youngminii
Jackal58
~OpZ~
Mr. Wiggles
Kenpachi
these are the most skilled/vets players in this game. Fun fact: GMarshal has never been lynched as town. Another fun fact: Mr. Wiggles has been mafia the last 2 games I played with him.
The following players I would describe as skilled, or at least very active when playing town:
DropBear
Cthsazsa
Mig
sandroba
VisceraEyes
Palmar
Varpulis
Everyone else I have no experience playing with. a list. A No Information List to be exact. You know the thing noob scum (like me in XL) post. Safe free town cred. please please please stop the spamThe other guy im keeping an eye on is GMarshal. /applause. You just shot down all town discussion and missed the major point of the lurker discussion, which is to force people to take stances. For example YM seems to be pretty much in agreement with me, while sand is in opposition, from sand's strong stance and willingness to fight for the spotlight its easy to see he dosn't care if people focus on him, a town trait. You miss this because you are too busy dismissing it as "spam". I agree that hiro has yet to post anything of substance, yet after bashing talking about a "pro-town atmosphere" you go on to quote a post about the pro-town atmosphere as being one of the best. I notice you don't actually accuse hiro of being scum though. Care to commit with your vote? Also the cynical tone is typical of mafia players. Its a distancing mechanism, since you feel isolated and threatened. Nice light FoS on me without substance too. I like how you manage to both belittle all discussion AND start smearing doubt around. This post alone *reeks* of being mafia. I'm not going to be wishywashy about it either. ##Vote: TheAwesomeAll Quick, expand your FoS on hiro into something larger, something NOT spammy Mr. "This town is all spam" shit just got real Show nested quote +/applause. You just shot down all town discussion and missed the major point of the lurker discussion, which is to force people to take stances. For example YM seems to be pretty much in agreement with me, while sand is in opposition, from sand's strong stance and willingness to fight for the spotlight its easy to see he dosn't care if people focus on him, a town trait. I must make it clear one more time im afraid I dont care about lurkers, continuing this pointless discussion is anti town, lycnh/shoot/check who you think is scum There was no town discussion only a very good opportunity for mafia to blend in. A opportunity you among others seemed to enjoy. You are not a noob man, you know this. Show nested quote +You miss this because you are too busy dismissing it as "spam". I agree that hiro has yet to post anything of substance, yet after bashing talking about a "pro-town atmosphere" you go on to quote a post about the pro-town atmosphere as being one of the best.
I would have LOVED to pick a better quote, believe me, yet there was none. Also there was no real discussion about pre town atmospheres just people ignoring everything that has been said and going for their trademark opening post. Good you agree with me, what has the second part of that sentence to do with the first part? little bit of panic going on? Show nested quote +I notice you don't actually accuse hiro of being scum though. Care to commit with your vote? Also the cynical tone is typical of mafia players. Its a distancing mechanism, since you feel isolated and threatened. Nice light FoS on me without substance too.
know were getting to the real deal, you didnt care about Hiro didnt you? hes just a goon, you can miss him, i accused YOU. So funny how much can chance everything. Yes it has no substance. Why be afraid? i just wanted everyone to know what i was thinking in case i died of a sudden heart attack. Show nested quote +I like how you manage to both belittle all discussion AND start smearing doubt around. This post alone *reeks* of being mafia. I'm not going to be wishywashy about it either.
announcing your not wishy washyness, wow you MUST be town. Notice how wishy washy he gets in a second. Oh and he calls my post spam, whatever. Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 17:15 GMarshal wrote:On June 28 2011 17:08 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On June 28 2011 16:54 GMarshal wrote:On June 28 2011 16:40 TheAwesomeAll wrote:No surprise, the thread is being spammed up with nothing but technical issues "lets create a pro town atmosphere" and references to old mafia games. Dont spent any more posts on the new interesting format!~ New formats in general favor scum because they are allowed to talk about technical issues the first day, town shoots some noob/lurker and everyone is happy. The lurker mechanism is just a call to spam, but GMarshal is really pushing it. Your clock is ticking, cute. This is the one of the few good posts made so far: On June 28 2011 14:44 sinani206 wrote:Pro-Town atmosphere would ideally be: - No taking lead.
Being a "leader" seems really scummy to me. I just have this innate bias that leaders are mafia, and even though there is quite a slim chance of them being scum, if they are, town has already lost.
- No spamming.
As has been mentioned before, all spamming does is derail town. It makes posts hard to find and confuses people so that scum are harder to analyse and pin for what they really are.
- Active scumhunting.
Scumhunting is obviously very pro-town. It gives the town a good discussion point and helps (obviously) find mafia. No reason not to do this.
- No lurking.
Lurking is confusing for all players who aren't lurking. It makes you hard to analyse. Obviously with all the anti-lurking abilities in this game, it isn't much of an issue, but keep this in mind.
That pretty much covers it. If anyone has any additions, feel free to share. Keep all of these points in mind when posting and analyzing. Off to play some SotIS and then go to sleep. Probably won't check the thread until morning. Good night folks! So instead of another technical issue or something im going to point the first FoS in the game. The most spammy player in the game: On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
yeah... On June 28 2011 12:39 hiro protagonist wrote:On June 28 2011 12:24 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On June 28 2011 12:20 youngminii wrote:On June 28 2011 12:13 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup town!
I am 100% behind Gmarshal about lurkers/trolls. that is all I have to say about that.
so everyone, lets get into it: towns lurker KP should be used once any lurker list is up. As such, I doubt very much that we will need to do a policy lynch on lurkers (which is something I almost always advocate).
Conversely: mafia, with the lurker mod on, will try and be spammy. Vigs, please,please,PLEASE, just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense.
Do not do this, Vig you should be targeting who they feel is scum, not anyone that is spammy. First off, scum are not stupid, they won't be spamming up the thread for the sake of spamming the thread. Second, by saying "just shoot anyone that is cluttering up the thread with nonsense" in the thread will obviously signal scum to be very delicate and careful with their posting. FoS on you for this, it's a very flawed plan, everyone knows what a lurker is and what's not, if someone appears to be spammy and their playstyle lines up with scum then go ahead and shoot them but as soon as you start directing who the Vig should hit publically is when mafia get an advantage. Also, since lurking is defined by third party judgement, there's a chance that Spammers will also show up on the lurker list, due to quality of posts and actual word count. Shoot who you think is scummy, not who you think is worthless. -_- Your right, Vigs should hit those who are scummy. Those that are Spamming the thread are acting scummy. I didn't make a plan, I was giving out words of wisdom. Don't twist my words please. @Wiggles: you remember PTP right? I don't want that to happen with this thread... talking about lurkers like his live depends on it, i would love it if people stopped mentioning other games without explanation. On June 28 2011 13:06 hiro protagonist wrote:
@LSB: What do you have in mind? speaking for myself, I cant think of a way to abuse it because the list is chosen from a 3rd party... The lurker mechanism is soooooo interesting. And to top it all of, something that is so ridiculously safe to post On June 28 2011 13:34 hiro protagonist wrote:
Ok, chaos, he is a list:
GMarshal
youngminii
Jackal58
~OpZ~
Mr. Wiggles
Kenpachi
these are the most skilled/vets players in this game. Fun fact: GMarshal has never been lynched as town. Another fun fact: Mr. Wiggles has been mafia the last 2 games I played with him.
The following players I would describe as skilled, or at least very active when playing town:
DropBear
Cthsazsa
Mig
sandroba
VisceraEyes
Palmar
Varpulis
Everyone else I have no experience playing with. a list. A No Information List to be exact. You know the thing noob scum (like me in XL) post. Safe free town cred. please please please stop the spamThe other guy im keeping an eye on is GMarshal. /applause. You just shot down all town discussion and missed the major point of the lurker discussion, which is to force people to take stances. For example YM seems to be pretty much in agreement with me, while sand is in opposition, from sand's strong stance and willingness to fight for the spotlight its easy to see he dosn't care if people focus on him, a town trait. You miss this because you are too busy dismissing it as "spam". I agree that hiro has yet to post anything of substance, yet after bashing talking about a "pro-town atmosphere" you go on to quote a post about the pro-town atmosphere as being one of the best. I notice you don't actually accuse hiro of being scum though. Care to commit with your vote? Also the cynical tone is typical of mafia players. Its a distancing mechanism, since you feel isolated and threatened. Nice light FoS on me without substance too. I like how you manage to both belittle all discussion AND start smearing doubt around. This post alone *reeks* of being mafia. I'm not going to be wishywashy about it either. ##Vote: TheAwesomeAll Quick, expand your FoS on hiro into something larger, something NOT spammy Mr. "This town is all spam" wow sorry GM did i step on some toes? Please expand more on that discussion, maybe i missed it, who are being accused, what valuable information did we gain? all i saw was spam spam spam, you know that town atmosphere of yours. Except talking about it, what did you do? did you give any points town should follow, did you create any discussion, did you *gasp* make an analysis? I must have missed all of that, dont expect me to post again untill ive read EVERYTHING 3 times at least, cya Edit without edit: it might have been unfair to blame you for the list, it was chaos question. Chaos gave the oportunity for a perfect mafia blend in. Not accusing you just saying it was chaosses fault, since it was an opportunity to post without information, to dissapear from any nasty lurker lists, to seem helpfull without doing anything really. And yes, why did you vote for me? didnt like the pressure? A good tactice to discourage anything is to punish the first guy who does it, since no second will come without a first right? Well the first guy to stick his neck out got a vote and the careless fos of the allmighty town leader. Sure as hell makes your case worse I voted for you because your post was scummy in my eyes. It still is. Sand voted for me like 3 hours ago, but the way he went about accusing me was pretty townie, so I don't suspect him for it. We are 7 hours in, no I have no analysis. My first 30 or so hours will be spent generating discussion and figuring out who I think is green from their posting. I'll also be figuring out who is mafia or pushing mafia objectives. Finally the atmosphere seems good to me, no flaming, discussion is proceeding, people are being gentlemanly, right now its good that people are talking. I'm not going to post who I have concluded is town, because I have no interest in painting targets on their back, thank you very much. So far my scum reads are pretty soft, but as more people post I should be able to figure out a nice day 1 candidate. Read, carefully, the thread, a lot of valuable information has been revealed. For now my vote is staying on you, since I want to see you tick ^_^Also it is now 4:15 am in my local area so I'm off to sleep. See you all in the morning! sup bro? Show nested quote +I notice you don't actually accuse hiro of being scum though. Care to commit with your vote? Also the cynical tone is typical of mafia players. Its a distancing mechanism, since you feel isolated and threatened. Show nested quote +I like how you manage to both belittle all discussion AND start smearing doubt around. This post alone *reeks* of being mafia. I'm not going to be wishywashy about it either.
I know yours, mood swings.
it shows his contradictions, how he defends Hiro and quickly backs up, everything why i
##vote:GMarshal
basicly
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you're insane, if you think you've caught the mafia team day 1.
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+ Show Spoiler +ebwop he essentially made his vote completely worthless, he wants to know my 'tick'. He essentially no one to note him. this, and the chainsaw defense is VERY scummy. He backs of as soon as the discussion gains some heat.
this one summarizes is pretty good as well. (with backing up i mean he takes distance, says his vote doesnt mean anything etc, cute smiley faces etc)
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On June 29 2011 01:41 Sinani201 wrote:
The roles should have been randomized, likely with random.org. I doubt that RoL "strategically" planted roles on each of us.
The roles aren't randomized, the host balances the game with help from some other people.
Either way, I don't think the host would put us on the same team for various reasons.
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On June 28 2011 21:25 DropBear wrote:Henry VI has been setting off alarm bells for me early. He originally set me off with his first several posts all being one-liners all directed at his mate. He has easily had the most pointless contribution so far. His largest post is this: Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 14:44 sinani206 wrote:Pro-Town atmosphere would ideally be: - No taking lead.
Being a "leader" seems really scummy to me. I just have this innate bias that leaders are mafia, and even though there is quite a slim chance of them being scum, if they are, town has already lost.
- No spamming.
As has been mentioned before, all spamming does is derail town. It makes posts hard to find and confuses people so that scum are harder to analyse and pin for what they really are.
- Active scumhunting.
Scumhunting is obviously very pro-town. It gives the town a good discussion point and helps (obviously) find mafia. No reason not to do this.
- No lurking.
Lurking is confusing for all players who aren't lurking. It makes you hard to analyse. Obviously with all the anti-lurking abilities in this game, it isn't much of an issue, but keep this in mind.
That pretty much covers it. If anyone has any additions, feel free to share. Keep all of these points in mind when posting and analyzing. Off to play some SotIS and then go to sleep. Probably won't check the thread until morning. Good night folks! This makes no sense to me at all. You are actively saying that we should kill people who try and lead the town and you also want to kill people who are lurking. Not only this, scum hunting is bona-fide town leadership! What middle ground do you want people to fill? Let's look at this again. Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 14:44 sinani206 wrote:
[*]No taking lead.
Being a "leader" seems really scummy to me. I just have this innate bias that leaders are mafia, and even though there is quite a slim chance of them being scum
They probably aren't scum but we should kill them anyway. Right. This post is a whole lot of nothing. FoS Henry VI.
I never said we should kill the leaders. I said that if they do happen to be Mafia, it's ㅈㅈ already. I'm telling players not to take lead because of this. I didn't say to kill leaders, I said to not become one.
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The case against sinani is unbelievably weak. He has been useless every game he has played but he has been a lot more active this game than when he was mafia. I am suspicious of anyone who just insta jumped on his bw, palmar/db/draz/jackal.
Jackal especially looks incredibly suspicious to me. Jackal is a very good vet and he has played the last couple of games with sinani and knows how bad he is. Yet he comes in posts a very short attack of sinani votes and disappears wtf? Where is the normal jackal who actually is active and puts pressure on people?
Awesome I disagree with the GM lynch. I think GM has been trying to be pro town and when I have seen him play mafia in the past he is rarely this outspoken and active. This basically seems like GM town play 101. There are way better targets for a day 1 lynch than someone who is as active as him.
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On June 29 2011 02:15 Palmar wrote:
you're insane, if you think you've caught the mafia team day 1.
Im sure there are towns in that list, but please focus on the arguments. Do you think im wrong? Since i tend to believe you and gm are scum i think you would disagree. Do you? And why? I keep requesting comments on my theory i only get stupid one liners.
On June 29 2011 02:15 Palmar wrote:
you're insane, if you think you've caught the mafia team day 1.
On June 29 2011 00:09 youngminii wrote:
i like the way you think theawesomeall
don't worry about palmar though, he's always like this
i can only think of gmarshal as the best dt candidate for now
So no one disagrees? only palmar thinks im insane (not even disagreeing typical scum btw) so this will be the day 1 lynch?
On June 29 2011 02:24 Mig wrote:
Awesome I disagree with the GM lynch. I think GM has been trying to be pro town and when I have seen him play mafia in the past he is rarely this outspoken and active. This basically seems like GM town play 101. There are way better targets for a day 1 lynch than someone who is as active as him.
So just because he is active as he was when he played town, he must be town now as well? In that case Jackal is townie, since he led a foolish day 1 lynch in the game i played with him as well.
+ Show Spoiler +Metagaming is all good but focus on my arguments please, he got SUPER defensive when i accused Hiro, auto voted for me, went from super aggressive to backing up in 2 posts flat, made his voice worthless by saying he was looking for my 'tic'. What do you think about that?
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Everyone who says the sinani vote is silly, show me something useful he's done.
I'm not even remotely convinced on syllogism from what's been said so far. Someone show me a decent case. We currently have youngminii and AwesomeAll on him.
On June 29 2011 00:05 youngminii wrote:
syllogism
he hasn't posted squat worth anything, all he's done is give a pretty damn blanket post regarding the setup
his only real post in this thread is a bunch of "blues you should do this, but then maybe not because of that, but then you should be keeping this in mind... oh and we should avoid wifom"
however, basically everything he has said creates wifom AND he's just lacing the thread with his 'content' posts without any scumhunting whatsoever, just making a post here and there
very suspicious to me, much more so than sinani206
The first couple of pages were all people talking about what blues should do. Why choose syllogism out of all of them? He isn't really differentiated.
On June 29 2011 00:31 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 00:23 syllogism wrote:
Furthermore, you should read your own post history and attempt to find things that are "worth anything" and could be characterized as scum hunting. Hint: there's nothing to be found. This is not OMGUS, it's just a statement of a fact and as you know, 12 hours into day 1 is hardly when any decent analysis is to be expected. You're right. Let's just all post blanket statements since there's clearly nothing we can do on Day 1. Orrrrrr we can actually do something and maybe that will be cause for analysis for LATER and give us information for LATER. What do you think of GMarshal? Do you think TAA has any justification in his accusations?
On June 29 2011 01:26 TheAwesomeAll wrote:YM and Syllo stop arguing with each other, you arent producing anything. Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 00:38 syllogism wrote:
I checked his post history earlier. He has generated a lot of discussion which is goodt and is obviously attempting to establish himself as a town leader. Some of his posts have a bit weak logic, but I didn't notice anything particularly anti-town. I'm leaning town as if he were scum, he would pretty much have to be GF. Stating he isn't wishywashy about his vote is a bit odd though. Who are you talking about? What do you think? cast your vote? You are soft defending him, like really really soft. Almost as if you dont want to be associated with him if he were to turn red. Dont do that . Also you are playing so defensive Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 00:12 syllogism wrote:
Oh okay so the one who has actually posted something of substance is the suspicious one. The one who has given the new and different format some thought rather than post worthless lists and copy pasted "how town should play" guides. Perfect.
My plan for lynch was going to be lynching someone who has posted a lot to avoid being on the lurker list without contributing anything, but unfortunately some players feel the need to post their every single thought, including the fact this is a decent idea if there are no better alternatives present. I even hinted that Dropbear should stop alluding to this plan as it relies on players not actually being aware of it, but he still made another reference. what was that post about, who is accusing you?
There isn't much here either from AwesomeAll. Dude you are one of the ones he's defending himself against TAA. He's just said he doesn't find anything enough to go on, which is fair enough. I disagree, but it's fair enough. You say they aren't doing anything by arguing, then you go right ahead and attack one of them lol. This is just contradictions dude.
I need something a little more concrete before I'm prepared to join you two on this.
We still haven't really heard from OpZ, gtsrs, aprudds, Kenpachi, Rean, Mig, Eiii. Start talking fellas.
Marshal I want an explanation about your OMGUS.
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On June 29 2011 02:24 Mig wrote:
The case against sinani is unbelievably weak. He has been useless every game he has played but he has been a lot more active this game than when he was mafia. I am suspicious of anyone who just insta jumped on his bw, palmar/db/draz/jackal.
Jackal especially looks incredibly suspicious to me. Jackal is a very good vet and he has played the last couple of games with sinani and knows how bad he is. Yet he comes in posts a very short attack of sinani votes and disappears wtf? Where is the normal jackal who actually is active and puts pressure on people?
Awesome I disagree with the GM lynch. I think GM has been trying to be pro town and when I have seen him play mafia in the past he is rarely this outspoken and active. This basically seems like GM town play 101. There are way better targets for a day 1 lynch than someone who is as active as him.
Dude saying that sinani's a lot more active isn't a town tell at all. Noone wants to be on that lurker list. It's not activity we are looking at, it's much more about content.
Why do you disagree with GM being Mafia? What do you mean by pro-town? Who are these better targets for day 1 you speak of?
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okay good morning seattle
read through everything, as to be expected it's just a bunch of day 1 bullshit
well, it *was*, til i got to page ~14
here's what i noticed
>GM trying to take charge of the town like a bauss
>GM essentially forcing people to post how he wants them to post (i.e. there will be no more lists, etc)
>more GM posts
>some weak FoS's
>TheAwesomeAll calls GM out for being contradictory
>GM votes OMGUS on TAA
>some scum try to cover the whole deal up with spam and bandwagons and false FoS
>TAA tries to bring the discussion back onto GM and is ignored again
so it seems to me that the mafia wants to keep GM alive. this could be for one of two reasons:
1. he's mafia, hyuk
2. his tyrannical posting has made him LOOK like mafia and they want to use him as a scapegoat
if i were a role-having townie i execute my role on GM for sure
alas i am not. and i don't really support a lynch on him til we can get more reads. he claims to be an good player so i will let him give me more time to back up this claim. but for now i have a mild FoS on GM. he feels like a good day 2/3 vote to me. also GM, something to note, putting ^_^ after every paragraph doesn't make you a townie just ftr
unfortunately i must vote for someone. so i'm gonna put my vote on palmar
like i said, the mafia covered up the attention on GM with some weak accusations and an attempted bandwagon. they even spelled it out for us. so with that in mind,
##vote: palmar
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oh and the reason for my early vote is i once again am going to my girlfriend's house for the majority of the day to move furniture, then out to dinner with my biological dad's sister who is in town. so if you have a question for me or want to address me in some way, do it in the next 2 hours before i head out. i'll be able to read the thread from my iPod and maybe make a short post but i really hate trying to play from my iPod so consider me afk from 2-midnight mountain time.
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It wasn't OMGUS, as far as I'm concerned, he said "I'm keeping my eye on GM", but I voted for him because I felt like his post was
1.) Cynic and bashing our efforts thus far
2.) Weak as hell, he had an accusation of hiro, but no vote and about two lines of reasoning. Now I happen to agree with him, but I wanted to see him commit to voting hiro, to see how serious he is. Remember a mafia trait is to start wagons without committing to them. I wanted to see commitment. His reaction was interesting, but not damning, and he did vote for hiro, which assuaged some of my doubts, but I want to keep my vote on him till there is somewhere better to put it.
Sorry I went to bed, any other questions?
As for the person who said that promising analysis is scummy, its only scummy when you don't deliver, I will, its just I like to dedicate most of day 1 to information gathering. ^_^
(and TAA, I love smilies, I use them a lot. See experimental mafia II for other "cutesy" things I like, I'm very eccentric  )
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