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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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aprudds
Canada144 Posts
Ok GM, although your plan of shooting lurkers without discrimination has it's pros of eliminating useless townies and forcing scum to contribute more I think your being too hasty and only mention the scenario that townies and scum will be on the lurker lists. Ever consider the possibility that a blue might be lurking to try and keep their head down? If your theory of scum wanting lurkers to stay alive is true, wouldn't that be the perfect place for blues to hide? For that reason I am against your plan of not checking and blindly shooting into the lurker list. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4351 Posts
On June 28 2011 21:21 Palmar wrote: I disagree DropBear. This couldn't be any more clear. We have a requirement to post actively and work pro-town in this game. We actually have a specific mechanic to help us identify the people that aren't actively posting. Being on the lurker list is not pro-town. Any town people on the list should really be banned for game-throwing, but aside from that, they should be shot. They should not be DT checked, reserve that for players who actually post but look scummy. And of course medics should already be thinking about their targets, but don't you dare try to direct the medics or I'll hang you. Take it those who deserve it, if you're town, and you end up on the lurker list, you're trying to lose, you're gamethrowing intentionally, you're ruining the game and I hope I never have to play with you again. Obviously, this hopefully won't be a problem, because any town trying to win the game will NOT be on the lurker list, and thus the mafia are forced to not be on it either. All I want for Christmas is an empty lurker list. Shape up people, get posting. And GM, even though I agree with you about lynching lurkers, DropBear's question about your OMGUS vote really needs answering. Why the hell should we trust someone who can't even follow his own policies? Being on the lurker list gives you double the chance to be dt checked, plus double the chance of being vigi'd. What sort of Mafia is going to be stupid enough to be on it? They are already forced to come out into the open. Anyone who IS on the lurker list is in fact MORE likely to be town. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On June 28 2011 21:35 aprudds wrote: Just woke up, read through the thread and have a bad flu so I apologize in advance if my posts are a bit less coherent. Ok GM, although your plan of shooting lurkers without discrimination has it's pros of eliminating useless townies and forcing scum to contribute more I think your being too hasty and only mention the scenario that townies and scum will be on the lurker lists. Ever consider the possibility that a blue might be lurking to try and keep their head down? If your theory of scum wanting lurkers to stay alive is true, wouldn't that be the perfect place for blues to hide? For that reason I am against your plan of not checking and blindly shooting into the lurker list. If a blue is lurking to try and keep his head down, he's just being a bad blue. What kind of logic is that? Any blue role out there would do their best to look like a green in order to direct mafia shots away from them. I seriously hope we don't have blues hoping to hide from the mafia by lurking, cause that's bad. Even if a blue role is important, his opinions, analysis and thoughts are also important. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On June 28 2011 21:35 DropBear wrote: Being on the lurker list gives you double the chance to be dt checked, plus double the chance of being vigi'd. What sort of Mafia is going to be stupid enough to be on it? They are already forced to come out into the open. Anyone who IS on the lurker list is in fact MORE likely to be town. No one should be on the lurker list. Of course the mafia isn't going to be there. But there is no reason for town to be there either. you dig? | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
At the start of the game he is Pretty much forced into talking by Henry which Dropbear picked up on but no one really followed it up. ( I think LSB died a few moments later ) On June 28 2011 14:37 Sinani201 wrote: You're right, the exchange wasn't necessary. But he wanted someone new to talk, and he knew that I was online at the time. As other people have said the majority of his posts are him stating they are not the same person and the only thing he has truly contributed was outlining a mistake by Chaos Either Alerting his mafia buddies of a possible medic claim or just being stupid On June 28 2011 13:24 Sinani201 wrote: From this, it seems like you are either trying to help the Mafia, or softclaiming medic. Or perhaps trying to help the medic. Personally Im suspecting Both Edward and Henry due to the amount of Fluff they are producing to keep of that lurker list | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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DropBear
Australia4351 Posts
On June 28 2011 21:37 Palmar wrote: No one should be on the lurker list. Of course the mafia isn't going to be there. But there is no reason for town to be there either. you dig? I agree. Noone should be on it. That was the point. We look at people who are much more active than usual. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
a) post fluff, lists and useless shit b) claim veteran c) get lynched. It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway. But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote: only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was: a) post fluff, lists and useless shit b) claim veteran c) get lynched. It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway. But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing. Hmm As im already FoSing these two guys I still think 201 may be a more of a pressing target as he has acted most like scum, although I believe both of them are possible scum and if 206 comes up red we will Probably have another shot to take Tommorow. ( See that small pointless engagement at the start of the game ) | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
Sinani206- Wtf dude? Leaders are scum? You prefer town to be all about flailing arms and pissing contests? Aimless drifting and lynch votes easily influenced by your scumbuddies? Seriously man that's the scummiest assertion so far in this game. ##Vote:Sinani206 | ||
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
On June 28 2011 22:39 Jackal58 wrote: Hey I have an idea. Let's drop the lurker discussion. RoL in his divine infinite wisdom put mechanics into the game that allow blues to specifically deal with the issue. It would seem to me any further discussion of the issue is an attempt by scum to lure out our dt's and vigis. It serves no other purpose at this point. Would seem to me that's what got LSB shot. Scum took a chance on him being a DT. Sinani206- Wtf dude? Leaders are scum? You prefer town to be all about flailing arms and pissing contests? Aimless drifting and lynch votes easily influenced by your scumbuddies? Seriously man that's the scummiest assertion so far in this game. ##Vote:Sinani206 leaders dont count, arguements and analysis do. I agree the sinani's should be kept an eye on but this case is so ridiculously weak... And yes lets drop the lurker discussion | ||
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On June 28 2011 13:27 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: The lurker list is meant to get rid of townies who aren't trying and to encourage activity. Abusing these mechanics in the form of a plan is NOT allowed and any person who tries to purposely get on the list will be excluded from it. Spoilsport. Oh well I'm dead anyways. XD | ||
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
On June 28 2011 16:54 GMarshal wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On June 28 2011 16:40 TheAwesomeAll wrote: No surprise, the thread is being spammed up with nothing but technical issues "lets create a pro town atmosphere" and references to old mafia games. Dont spent any more posts on the new interesting format!~ New formats in general favor scum because they are allowed to talk about technical issues the first day, town shoots some noob/lurker and everyone is happy. The lurker mechanism is just a call to spam, but GMarshal is really pushing it. Your clock is ticking, cute. This is the one of the few good posts made so far: So instead of another technical issue or something im going to point the first FoS in the game. The most spammy player in the game: yeah... talking about lurkers like his live depends on it, i would love it if people stopped mentioning other games without explanation. The lurker mechanism is soooooo interesting. And to top it all of, something that is so ridiculously safe to post a list. A No Information List to be exact. You know the thing noob scum (like me in XL) post. Safe free town cred. please please please stop the spam The other guy im keeping an eye on is GMarshal. /applause. You just shot down all town discussion and missed the major point of the lurker discussion, which is to force people to take stances. For example YM seems to be pretty much in agreement with me, while sand is in opposition, from sand's strong stance and willingness to fight for the spotlight its easy to see he dosn't care if people focus on him, a town trait. You miss this because you are too busy dismissing it as "spam". I agree that hiro has yet to post anything of substance, yet after bashing talking about a "pro-town atmosphere" you go on to quote a post about the pro-town atmosphere as being one of the best. I notice you don't actually accuse hiro of being scum though. Care to commit with your vote? Also the cynical tone is typical of mafia players. Its a distancing mechanism, since you feel isolated and threatened. Nice light FoS on me without substance too. I like how you manage to both belittle all discussion AND start smearing doubt around. This post alone *reeks* of being mafia. I'm not going to be wishywashy about it either. ##Vote: TheAwesomeAll Quick, expand your FoS on hiro into something larger, something NOT spammy Mr. "This town is all spam" shit just got real /applause. You just shot down all town discussion and missed the major point of the lurker discussion, which is to force people to take stances. For example YM seems to be pretty much in agreement with me, while sand is in opposition, from sand's strong stance and willingness to fight for the spotlight its easy to see he dosn't care if people focus on him, a town trait. I must make it clear one more time im afraid I dont care about lurkers, continuing this pointless discussion is anti town, lycnh/shoot/check who you think is scum There was no town discussion only a very good opportunity for mafia to blend in. A opportunity you among others seemed to enjoy. You are not a noob man, you know this. You miss this because you are too busy dismissing it as "spam". I agree that hiro has yet to post anything of substance, yet after bashing talking about a "pro-town atmosphere" you go on to quote a post about the pro-town atmosphere as being one of the best. I would have LOVED to pick a better quote, believe me, yet there was none. Also there was no real discussion about pre town atmospheres just people ignoring everything that has been said and going for their trademark opening post. Good you agree with me, what has the second part of that sentence to do with the first part? little bit of panic going on? I notice you don't actually accuse hiro of being scum though. Care to commit with your vote? Also the cynical tone is typical of mafia players. Its a distancing mechanism, since you feel isolated and threatened. Nice light FoS on me without substance too. know were getting to the real deal, you didnt care about Hiro didnt you? hes just a goon, you can miss him, i accused YOU. So funny how much The other guy im keeping an eye on is GMarshal. can chance everything. Yes it has no substance. Why be afraid? i just wanted everyone to know what i was thinking in case i died of a sudden heart attack. I like how you manage to both belittle all discussion AND start smearing doubt around. This post alone *reeks* of being mafia. I'm not going to be wishywashy about it either. announcing your not wishy washyness, wow you MUST be town. Notice how wishy washy he gets in a second. Oh and he calls my post spam, whatever. On June 28 2011 17:15 GMarshal wrote: I voted for you because your post was scummy in my eyes. It still is. Sand voted for me like 3 hours ago, but the way he went about accusing me was pretty townie, so I don't suspect him for it. We are 7 hours in, no I have no analysis. My first 30 or so hours will be spent generating discussion and figuring out who I think is green from their posting. I'll also be figuring out who is mafia or pushing mafia objectives. Finally the atmosphere seems good to me, no flaming, discussion is proceeding, people are being gentlemanly, right now its good that people are talking. I'm not going to post who I have concluded is town, because I have no interest in painting targets on their back, thank you very much. So far my scum reads are pretty soft, but as more people post I should be able to figure out a nice day 1 candidate. Read, carefully, the thread, a lot of valuable information has been revealed. For now my vote is staying on you, since I want to see you tick ^_^ Also it is now 4:15 am in my local area so I'm off to sleep. See you all in the morning! sup bro? I notice you don't actually accuse hiro of being scum though. Care to commit with your vote? Also the cynical tone is typical of mafia players. Its a distancing mechanism, since you feel isolated and threatened. I like how you manage to both belittle all discussion AND start smearing doubt around. This post alone *reeks* of being mafia. I'm not going to be wishywashy about it either. For now my vote is staying on you, since I want to see you tick ^_^ I know yours, mood swings. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
the random bandwagon that has formed on sinani206 is nothing short of ridiculous, the arguments against him are completely unfounded and he has barely posted a defence, not that he normally does based on previous games anyway as a townie On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote: only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was: a) post fluff, lists and useless shit b) claim veteran c) get lynched. It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway. But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing. if i hadn't seen you play in snmmiii i'd say you were 100% scum but you played exactly like this and it's just the wrong way to go, cease your ridiculousness right now i am satisfied with hyaach's answer to me more or less, i would now like to suggest a new lynch target syllogism he hasn't posted squat worth anything, all he's done is give a pretty damn blanket post regarding the setup his only real post in this thread is a bunch of "blues you should do this, but then maybe not because of that, but then you should be keeping this in mind... oh and we should avoid wifom" however, basically everything he has said creates wifom AND he's just lacing the thread with his 'content' posts without any scumhunting whatsoever, just making a post here and there very suspicious to me, much more so than sinani206 | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On June 28 2011 21:29 syllogism wrote: This should go without saying, but don't post information regarding what you intend to use as a scum tell later on. A good player doing just that warrants a FoS. ironic | ||
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
Also to the people hopping on the Sinani bandwagon, why? Really only because he said we should listen to individuals but to reason?? Plz get some dt checks on those people. Especially On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote: only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was: a) post fluff, lists and useless shit b) claim veteran c) get lynched. It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway. But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
don't worry about palmar though, he's always like this i can only think of gmarshal as the best dt candidate for now okay i'm gonna head off now i'll be back when i wake up | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
My plan for lynch was going to be lynching someone who has posted a lot to avoid being on the lurker list without contributing anything, but unfortunately some players feel the need to post their every single thought, including the fact this is a decent idea if there are no better alternatives present. I even hinted that Dropbear should stop alluding to this plan as it relies on players not actually being aware of it, but he still made another reference. | ||
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