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Hi guys, I'm awake now, and all read up. :p
First thing's first:
On June 28 2011 17:52 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2011 15:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
@GM
At any rate, 201 is correct, Palmar DID /out before the game started. He'll either be Mod-killed or replaced before Day 2, I totally forgot.
Aside from adding LSB to the vet list, which Wiggles already suggested, I have no problems with your list. :D
NOW
What do we do with it? We've pretty much unanimously decided that blues will be acting on their own with VERY limited guidance from the rest of town. Should we just go down the list and start asking people their opinions on each one? Or is that just something to look at once people start dying? So, I did out, I still got sent a role, so I guess RoL decided I was in. I hate to disappoint but that means I'm more alive than you'd like. Here are my thoughts so far on the game. Anyone encouraging vigis to take care with their shots is insane. Just go nuts and shoot whoever you like.This means that some people will be really angry with you, but then we just hang those people for mafia. Also, the zodiac or vet lists are completely useless in my opinion. That's like inviting the mafia to contribute without actually contributing. If you feel like making lists you should rather be doing something like listing up the lurkers. Then you're actually useful before we hang you. I'm still catching up, you guys spammed 10 pages while I slept.
On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote:
only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was:
a) post fluff, lists and useless shit
b) claim veteran
c) get lynched.
It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway.
But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing.
While reading, these posts looked pretty bad (Read: Scummy) to me. YM already addressed this, and tried to explain it away as being Palmar's normal town play. I'll accept the explanation for now, but Palmar, I want you to know I've got my eye on you.
I'd also like to hear more from you, to see if I can form a better opinion. Right now, most of your posts are just talking about lurkers, and not about players, so:
Who's your number 1 scum read right now?
Who do you think needs to contribute more to town (Either in terms of activity or content)?
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So, about GM. I'm getting the feeling he's town right now. He's pushing forward discussion, and trying to keep town focused. I'll think he's scum as soon as he starts pushing forward anti-town ideas or going after bad lynch targets. That said, I'd also like to see more of your (GM's) thoughts on players, and less on game set-up and thread environment. Who do you think is a good candidate for being scum right now? If you don't have a strong read, when can I get one?
It's easier to analyze people based off of their opinions on players, than game mechanics. Game mechanics usually have an objective best way to play, like good environment, stopping lurking, etc. that just lets mafia players pander to town by discussing it. Forming opinions on players however, is where the limited information of the game comes in, and it's easier to judge someone's intents. (IMO)
So, GM's discussion of mechanics and how to play seem pro-town, but until he starts talking about players, it won't be a super strong read from me.
(I also love parentheses apparently)
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I'm sorry that I don't find anyone outstandingly scummy, I guess?
I like TAA's style a lot and wish I could play more like him. Also Drazerk is acting weirdly. Not too many strong feelings toward anyone though. I still am suspicious of GM, however. This whole "leader" playstyle still makes me feel doubtful that you are town.
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Even assuming GM is red, it's fairly unlikely he felt threatened enough to ask his scum team to intervene. There is over 30 hours until lynch and he had one or two votes on him. It's just silly to attempt to find such connections on day 1 and this early.
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On June 29 2011 04:43 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Who's your number 1 scum read right now?
Who do you think needs to contribute more to town (Either in terms of activity or content)?
Syllogism is scum.
Kenpachi needs to contribute.
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On June 29 2011 03:43 GMarshal wrote:He only has 7 posts, but I'll only include those that successfully brought something new to the table to discuss. They are all in the spoiler + Show Spoiler +That was easy. Each and every one of his posts masquerades as having content, without really including anything worthwhile. It takes no stances and interestingly enough brings up mild opposition to LSB's plan. This isn't necessarily damning, but I want hiro to start taking definite stances. I want so see which lynch he would advocate today, and what he thinks about pretty much everything. This "posting just to get by" is bad for the town, and he isn't going to get away with it. Yes this case is not extremely solid, but the PBP I originally wrote was all "no content" and "fluff" comments, which would have made my case longer than necessary for clarity, in essence hiro needs to give us more so we can actually assess his alignment, as reading over his posts reveals nothing.
Hi Gmarshal! So you think my posts so far have no content? fluff? putting a pressure vote on me? OK, I can dig that.
My defense is an easy one: everyone of my first 7 post where in the first 2 hours of the game, in which I:
* encourage town not to lurk, not to spam, or there will be consequences.
* made a list of players that are vets and should be put under scrutiny (thats why KenP was on it, and I put mine up before yours GM, but yours was better written i must say).
How does one be pro-town in the beginning of the game? why, by creating a good town atmosphere! I did just that. So did you. Your opening post was just what I wanted to say, but you said it first, so I just agreed with you. Then I went to bed, woke up, and went to work.
now I am here again, and I will contribute like a good townie should: scum hunting. I have some leads(*cough Syllogism *cough), and I will make a post about it in a bit. keep your votes on me if you think I wont follow through ^__^
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 29 2011 02:24 Mig wrote:
The case against sinani is unbelievably weak. He has been useless every game he has played but he has been a lot more active this game than when he was mafia. I am suspicious of anyone who just insta jumped on his bw, palmar/db/draz/jackal.
Jackal especially looks incredibly suspicious to me. Jackal is a very good vet and he has played the last couple of games with sinani and knows how bad he is. Yet he comes in posts a very short attack of sinani votes and disappears wtf? Where is the normal jackal who actually is active and puts pressure on people?
Awesome I disagree with the GM lynch. I think GM has been trying to be pro town and when I have seen him play mafia in the past he is rarely this outspoken and active. This basically seems like GM town play 101. There are way better targets for a day 1 lynch than someone who is as active as him.
Where do you guys get the impression that I'm good from? Seriously. I hate day 1 and day 2. I'm fucking clueless. And the normal Jackal did put pressure on Sinani with a 6 not a 1. The purpose of which is to gauge reactions from not only Sinani but others that either rush to defend or rush to agree. I rarely vote during the first half of a day cycle so get over it.
Nor do I feel compelled to post 300 meaningless posts/day. Nor do my posts usually run much longer than this one.
On June 29 2011 03:01 Mig wrote:The better targets day 1 I think are guys like Jackal who aren't contributing and are playing out of character or someone like Eiii who promises to be pro town and contribute his thoughts then goes right back to lurking without actually providing any content. Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 02:31 TheAwesomeAll wrote:So just because he is active as he was when he played town, he must be town now as well? In that case Jackal is townie, since he led a foolish day 1 lynch in the game i played with him as well. + Show Spoiler +Metagaming is all good but focus on my arguments please, he got SUPER defensive when i accused Hiro, auto voted for me, went from super aggressive to backing up in 2 posts flat, made his voice worthless by saying he was looking for my 'tic'. What do you think about that? No no active definitely does not just equal town, but I mean in general I would prefer to lynch someone less active day 1 because as long as GM is alive he is going to be active and so we are going to have a ton of information to use to determine whether he is town or mafia. Hm I do agree though that GM's case against you is incredibly weak. But I will wait to see how he follows up on it before instantly declaring him scum for it. I will say that If GM continues with just posting pro town advice and not any actual good analysis and scum hunting I would be willing to change my opinion about him.
Typing bullshit to see your name in the thread isn't being active.
When I have something worthwhile to say I'll say it.
And yes I am somewhat out of character. I'm sick as a dog and have been sleeping about 18 hours/day for the last week. Sorry if you're disappointed. I'm not here to impress you.
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On June 29 2011 04:50 syllogism wrote:
Even assuming GM is red, it's fairly unlikely he felt threatened enough to ask his scum team to intervene. There is over 30 hours until lynch and he had one or two votes on him. It's just silly to attempt to find such connections on day 1 and this early.
you have a good point there, so youre saying Drazerk isnt scum? It would be silly for Mafia to start a new discussion if there is no pressure. That means Drazerk isnt scum but just look at his posting. Also if GM is town it would be pretty stupid to attack me that hard on my first post, then disagreeing with himself two posts later and now completely agreeing with my first post.
Seems unlikely doesnt?
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On June 29 2011 04:12 Lanaia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 03:55 Kenpachi wrote:
sorry im at my friend's house. I'll go read the thread once i get home.
BTW, im Kenpachi and Im a Townie. What the hell Kenpachi? Why... WHY did you say that? I feel this probably wasn't in your best interests, sorry bud. However, you're actually town, so...
And posts like these make the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
Scum slip?
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On June 29 2011 05:01 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:12 Lanaia wrote:On June 29 2011 03:55 Kenpachi wrote:
sorry im at my friend's house. I'll go read the thread once i get home.
BTW, im Kenpachi and Im a Townie. What the hell Kenpachi? Why... WHY did you say that? I feel this probably wasn't in your best interests, sorry bud. However, you're actually town, so... And posts like these make the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Scum slip?
I just meant that from what I've seen of his play, I feel he is town.
I tend to say things in the definite and not in the possible. I'm sorry.
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Hi guys I'm back, just caught up on the thread. For once the thread isn't a pile of shit, so let's keep it that way shall we?
First off I'd like to say that the bandwagon on Henry VI is pretty damn weak. It amounts to a tiny little accusation and a shitload of bandwagoning. Dropbear, the argument "he hasn't done shit" equates to "he's lurking." We have other ways of dealing with lurkers, let's not use our lynches for them.
GMarshal is also a terrible lynch. He's super active and he's trying to promote discussion. In addition, anybody saying "GMarshal and Henry VI are scum together because..." are trying WAAAY to hard to find scum when there isn't any. It's early in day 1, any connections that you see between players will be even less accurate than the scum reads.
A post that stood out to me while I was reading through the thread: On June 29 2011 01:35 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 01:28 TheAwesomeAll wrote:On June 28 2011 22:24 Drazerk wrote:On June 28 2011 22:10 Palmar wrote:
only problem with lynching sinani206 is that the last game I played with him his combo was:
a) post fluff, lists and useless shit
b) claim veteran
c) get lynched.
It's hard to analyse people who we know act super scummy as town anyway.
But sure, he's the best idea so far, let's bandwagon this thing. Hmm As im already FoSing these two guys I still think 201 may be a more of a pressing target as he has acted most like scum, although I believe both of them are possible scum and if 206 comes up red we will Probably have another shot to take Tommorow. ( See that small pointless engagement at the start of the game ) Do you really think they are both scum? seems a bit unlikely doesnt it? From my experience the more unlikely something is the more likely it is to happen ... if that makes any sense at all Why not have both of them as mafia would be pretty easy to hide as "RL friends"
This is nonsensical spam and random theorycrafting about the setup and role distributions. Big FoS.
Oh, and I noticed that captain useless has arrived. Kenpachi, you are aware that there are mechanics in this game designed primarily to discourage and deal with lurkers, right? Either get contributing or get out. Your normal style of play is not acceptable.
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On June 29 2011 05:01 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:12 Lanaia wrote:On June 29 2011 03:55 Kenpachi wrote:
sorry im at my friend's house. I'll go read the thread once i get home.
BTW, im Kenpachi and Im a Townie. What the hell Kenpachi? Why... WHY did you say that? I feel this probably wasn't in your best interests, sorry bud. However, you're actually town, so... And posts like these make the hair on the back of my neck stand up. Scum slip?
seems more like sarcasm, refering to the 'im town' if they are slipping it would probably WAY less obvious. Like they post some comment about something that can be misinterpreted and make really soft accusations so they wont be under suspicion when the poor guy flips green.
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On June 29 2011 04:50 syllogism wrote:
Even assuming GM is red, it's fairly unlikely he felt threatened enough to ask his scum team to intervene. There is over 30 hours until lynch and he had one or two votes on him. It's just silly to attempt to find such connections on day 1 and this early.
Stop that shit.
All you've done all game long is posting neutral blanket statements.
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On June 29 2011 04:59 TheAwesomeAll wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:50 syllogism wrote:
Even assuming GM is red, it's fairly unlikely he felt threatened enough to ask his scum team to intervene. There is over 30 hours until lynch and he had one or two votes on him. It's just silly to attempt to find such connections on day 1 and this early. you have a good point there, so youre saying Drazerk isnt scum? It would be silly for Mafia to start a new discussion if there is no pressure. That means Drazerk isnt scum but just look at his posting. Also if GM is town it would be pretty stupid to attack me that hard on my first post, then disagreeing with himself two posts later and now completely agreeing with my first post. Seems unlikely doesnt?
See this is called "disregarding the facts". Your first post was scummy. Your subsequent posts changed my mind on you, which is why my attitude changed. However my vote still baited out reactions which is why I left it to "see you twitch", I was gaging thread reactions, my attack on you is a soft as my attacks get. If you want to see a strong attack see my attacks in other games, notably as orange in Experimental Mafia II. Those are attacks, my case/vote on you? That was bait. And I'm NOT agreeing that hiro is scum. I'm trying to see how he jumps. When/if he comes out with the scumhunting he promised, my vote moves to someone else who isn't being as helpful as I think they need to be.
@Wiggles, I have a bunch of green reads right now and almost no scum reads, I'll have some by about 12 hours before the lynch or so (I might not actually get here by then though, but by 8 hours before the lynch you should be hearing at least one red read from me) , I won't share green reads for obvious reasons. Also, parentheticals are cool.^_^
@Jackal, feel better soon ^_^
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On June 29 2011 05:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 04:50 syllogism wrote:
Even assuming GM is red, it's fairly unlikely he felt threatened enough to ask his scum team to intervene. There is over 30 hours until lynch and he had one or two votes on him. It's just silly to attempt to find such connections on day 1 and this early. Stop that shit. All you've done all game long is posting neutral blanket statements.
Sorry, that's not neutral, that's just an argument against making bad cases early on. You've done nothing at all either so. I'm not going to stop pointing out bad logic or poor cases and I'm frankly of the opinion unless there's a big slip on d1, the odds of actually lynching scum aren't higher than with a pure random lynch
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EBOBP: gaugeing reactions, not gaging them. -__-
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On June 29 2011 05:11 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2011 05:06 Palmar wrote:On June 29 2011 04:50 syllogism wrote:
Even assuming GM is red, it's fairly unlikely he felt threatened enough to ask his scum team to intervene. There is over 30 hours until lynch and he had one or two votes on him. It's just silly to attempt to find such connections on day 1 and this early. Stop that shit. All you've done all game long is posting neutral blanket statements. Sorry, that's not neutral, that's just an argument against making bad cases early on. You've done nothing at all either so. I'm not going to stop pointing out bad logic or poor cases and I'm frankly of the opinion unless there's a big slip on d1, the odds of actually lynching scum aren't higher than with a pure random lynch
We've hit scum day 1 before. Its hard, not impossible. This defeatist attitude is not good, please correct it. If we all analyze and concentrate our efforts lynching mafia is entirely possible.
So, who do you think is scum right now?
What do you think we should be doing to heighten our odds of hitting mafia?
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So, my case against syllogism is that he hasn't posted anything of value for the town so far. He has been trying to look active by randomly posting "advice" and "tips", some of which haven't been good at all.
The main problem is that he isn't really doing anything other than soft-attacking and soft-defending, not commiting to anything. I'm not going to do a post by post analysis because that'd just be me quoting every post of his and saying it's obvious stuff or fluff.
Just hit that all button, press ctrl+f and type syllo.
Then look through the useless pile of junk he's created.
He's given us one good idea though.
On June 29 2011 00:12 syllogism wrote:
Oh okay so the one who has actually posted something of substance is the suspicious one. The one who has given the new and different format some thought rather than post worthless lists and copy pasted "how town should play" guides. Perfect.
My plan for lynch was going to be lynching someone who has posted a lot to avoid being on the lurker list without contributing anything, but unfortunately some players feel the need to post their every single thought, including the fact this is a decent idea if there are no better alternatives present. I even hinted that Dropbear should stop alluding to this plan as it relies on players not actually being aware of it, but he still made another reference.
hahahahhahahahahhahahaha
I agree bro
##Unvote
##Vote syllogism
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##vote gtrsrs
His only post of content is a shitload of WifoM about GMarshal.On June 29 2011 02:38 gtrsrs wrote:
okay good morning seattle
read through everything, as to be expected it's just a bunch of day 1 bullshit
well, it *was*, til i got to page ~14
here's what i noticed
>GM trying to take charge of the town like a bauss
>GM essentially forcing people to post how he wants them to post (i.e. there will be no more lists, etc)
>more GM posts
>some weak FoS's
>TheAwesomeAll calls GM out for being contradictory
>GM votes OMGUS on TAA
>some scum try to cover the whole deal up with spam and bandwagons and false FoS
>TAA tries to bring the discussion back onto GM and is ignored again
so it seems to me that the mafia wants to keep GM alive. this could be for one of two reasons:
1. he's mafia, hyuk
2. his tyrannical posting has made him LOOK like mafia and they want to use him as a scapegoat
if i were a role-having townie i execute my role on GM for sure
alas i am not. and i don't really support a lynch on him til we can get more reads. he claims to be an good player so i will let him give me more time to back up this claim. but for now i have a mild FoS on GM. he feels like a good day 2/3 vote to me. also GM, something to note, putting ^_^ after every paragraph doesn't make you a townie just ftr
unfortunately i must vote for someone. so i'm gonna put my vote on palmar
like i said, the mafia covered up the attention on GM with some weak accusations and an attempted bandwagon. they even spelled it out for us. so with that in mind,
##vote: palmar
To summarize: His interpretation of the game is "GMarshal does some stuff, gets accused, scum try to divert the ONE person who was accusing GMarshal. That's some of the weakest logic that I've ever seen, and on top of that he's quite vague. He doesn't point out the scum that he's referring to, he just says "hey there's scum in the game"
Oh, and his vote goes on Palmar for absolutely no given reason.
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Hey guys here's a good OMGUS for you.
Just hit that all button, press ctrl-f and type Palmer
Then look through the useless pile of junk he's created
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So how about you commit to that then syllo. Seriously if you're going to OMGUS me, then man up and cast a vote so it actually means anything.
You're so afraid of leading bad lynches or saying something that might be controversial that you're almost definitely scum.
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