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TL Mafia LXXII: Gaiden 2

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Blazinghand *
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Last Edited: 2015-09-05 22:01:24
August 11 2015 08:00 GMT
#1
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Polls


Poll: Majority or Plurality Lynch?

Plurality: Whoever has the most votes at end of day is lynched. (16)
 
73%

Majority: To lynch, you need a majority (more than 50%) of votes. (6)
 
27%

22 total votes

Your vote: Majority or Plurality Lynch?

(Vote): Plurality: Whoever has the most votes at end of day is lynched.
(Vote): Majority: To lynch, you need a majority (more than 50%) of votes.



Poll: Assuming we go with plurality, do you want 24-hour majority option?

No, just wait until end of day always for plurality lynch. (13)
 
52%

Yes, check halfway through the day for a majority lynch option. (12)
 
48%

25 total votes

Your vote: Assuming we go with plurality, do you want 24-hour majority option?

(Vote): Yes, check halfway through the day for a majority lynch option.
(Vote): No, just wait until end of day always for plurality lynch.



If the day ended early, voting would not be mandatory. Voting by the 48-hour mark would be mandatory in this case, but if a majority springs up before you lay down your vote that is fine.

Poll: Assuming we go with Majority, do you want Rolling or Simple Majority?

Rolling: Check every 24 hours for a majority. (16)
 
73%

Simple: After 48 hours, check for majority. If there is none, no-lynch. (6)
 
27%

22 total votes

Your vote: Assuming we go with Majority, do you want Rolling or Simple Majority?

(Vote): Rolling: Check every 24 hours for a majority.
(Vote): Simple: After 48 hours, check for majority. If there is none, no-lynch.



Please answer all three, everyone! :D




Please read the entire thread before signing up. Thank you.


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* There are no coaches in this game.

TL Mafia LXXII:
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D1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24781053
N1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492282-tl-mafia-lxxii-gaiden-2?page=91#1803
D2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492282-tl-mafia-lxxii-gaiden-2?page=117#2339
N2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492282-tl-mafia-lxxii-gaiden-2?page=135#2684
D3 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492282-tl-mafia-lxxii-gaiden-2?page=140#2783
N3 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492282-tl-mafia-lxxii-gaiden-2?page=154#3067
D4 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492282-tl-mafia-lxxii-gaiden-2?page=157#3121
End Game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492282-tl-mafia-lxxii-gaiden-2?page=160#3183




The Rules

The rules for this game are drawn from my model OP here: (link). Read them.


Supplemental Rules

In addition to the rules outlined in the Model OP, there are a couple changes for this game.

1. Night Length: Nights will last 24 hours, and you may speak at night. This games starts during Night 0.

2. Lynch Type: Plurality Lynch: At the end of the 48 hour day, the player with the most votes is lynched. In the event of a tie, the player who was in the lead before the tie happened is lynched.
      2.0 Day Length: The day lasts 48 hours
      2.1 Lynch Mechanics: Only votes up to X:59 count. Votes at :00 are considered after day end. The player with the most votes at day end is lynched.

3. Activity: It is required you make at least 2 posts per 48 hours. Voting is mandatory.

4. Deadline: The Lynch Deadline will probably be at 22:00 GMT (+00:00), though if this doesn't work, we can change that.

5. Behavior: I will be strict on behavior, but I will always try to warn you if you cross the line. Racial/ethnic/sexual slurs are never tolerated.



Credits:
Thanks to anyone who has ever hosted a game. This list grows ever longer. Special thanks to myself for going over this setup with me, and to myself, on the balance approval team, for testing this setup for balance. Also thanks to Probulous since I stole this OP from him and modified it to my nefarious needs. Also also thanks to Palmar for helping me with other versions of this setup.

If you have not read all the rules, go and do so. I might give you candy.

I am open to questions any time. If something doesn't make sense, please ask.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-25 22:17:29
August 11 2015 08:00 GMT
#2

Roles and Setup information


This is an Semi-Closed setup. This post contains a list of possible roles. How many (if any) of each of these roles exist is not known.

This is a Normal game. There will be no alignment changing mechanics. Role and Alignment will be revealed on all flips. Mafia has 1 kp and are subject to roleblocking and visiting/tracking rules. A Mafia player can deliver a shot and perform a night action in the same night.

Notifications: Notifications are minimal for things like roleblock etc. Investigative roles know if they are roleblocked, and 1-shot and 2-shot roles of any kind know if they are roleblocked. Otherwise roleblocks are not notified. Saves are not notified to anyone, but surviving due to having an extra night life (like being a Veteran) are notified.

Multiple Actions: A player who has multiple actions can take as many as they'd like in a night. The only restriction is that you can only deliver 1 kp per night. So if you're a Vigilante and a Gunsmith gives you a gun, you can fire the gunsmith gun, or your gun, but not both in one night. If you're a Jailkeeper and a Gunsmith gives you a gun, you can Jailkeep one person and shoot a person in the same night. If you're a VT and two Gunsmiths give you guns, you can fire the guns one at a time, but not both in the same night. If you're mafia and a Gunsmith gives you a gun, you can fire the gunsmith gun, or your factional KP, but not both in the same night.

1-Shot, 2-Shot, Multishot: Some Mafia roles, as well as the Potions Master, Investigator Extraordinaire, Lead Auror, Auror, Private Detective, Alastor Moody, and DUMBLEDORE are available in the following configurations: 1-Shot, 2-Shot, and Multishot. 1-Shot means you can only use your power once. 2-Shot means it can only be used twice. Multishot means it can be used as many times as you want. If you are 1- or 2-Shot, and you are Roleblocked, your shot is refunded. Role PMs will be prefixed with 1-Shot or 2-Shot if you are 1-Shot or 2-Shot, and will have no prefix if you are multishot. Sample PMs of all kinds are provided below to reflect this.

There are many possible roles, and what roles are in the game are drawn from this pool. There can be more than one of any of the roles. Not every role is guaranteed to be in the game.


DMLE Precinct 16


Win Condition: The town wins when there are no mafia left in the game or nothing can prevent that from happening.

DMLE Investigator (Vanilla Townie): You’ve been working in Precinct 16 for a long time. You’ve seen a lot of messed up things in your day. When the going gets tough, you don’t stop. Every case takes a little bit out of you, but someone has to do this work. You are a VT.

Ministry Obliviator (Wandering Townie): You're really just lost. You were sure you came here to do… something. To Memory Charm someone, maybe? No, that can’t be right. Damn, why can’t you remember? Might as well go home. You are a self-aware wanderer. Each night you visit someone at random, and are not informed who you visited.

Taking Bribes (Miller): Jenny’s in school now. Columbia University, the best education around, if you’re a squib like she is. It’s so expensive, though, and the exchange rate between Dollars and Galleons is highway robbery. When Johnson offers you cash to make sure a particular report gets misplaced, how could you refuse? Self-aware miller. Return Red to checks.

Twin (Mason): In ancient days, when twins were born, one would be killed. The magic of twins is strange and confusing, but you find you can communicate with yours at any time, just by thinking. You are a mason, with a confirmed town partner and a QT you can speak in.

Potions Master (Gunsmith): You can make all kinds of potions, from vertaserum to calming draughts. In this line of work, it’s needed. Things are coming to a head, and luckily your new explosive potions are ready for a test run. At night, you can gunsmith a gun for someone. They will recieve a gun with a single bullet. They can fire it during the next night. If you are roleblocked, you can retry. If your target dies, tough luck. If the guy who gets the gun is roleblocked when he tries to shoot, his bullet is refunded.

Investigator Extraordinaire (Vigilante): You keep on thinking back to your idol, Rita Skeeter. You want to be just like her. You’re not gonna let things like an “ongoing investigation” or “hostage situation” stop you from writing your character assassination pieces. You’re a journalist; you and your quick-quotes quill doesn’t afraid of anyone. At night, you can fire a bullet to deal 1 kp to a target. You can't shoot during night 0 or 1.

Lead Auror, Special Victims Unit (Jailkeeper): You worked for a time with Auror Stabler, before he retired. He taught you everything you know, and you put that knowledge to good use. Sometimes, you bring people in because you think they’re guilty. Sometimes, you bring them in because they need a place away from home, if only for a brief time. Damn. You hate this job so much. Each night, you can jail a person, which roleblocks them and protects from one KP. Happens after Mafia RB.

Auror, Special Victims Unit (Banisher): You worked for a time with Auror Benson, before she retired. She taught you everything you know, and you put that knowledge to good use. Sometimes, you bring people in because you think they’re guilty. Sometimes, you bring them in because they need a place away from home, if only for a brief time. Damn. You hate this job so much. Each night, you can Banish a person, which roleblocks them and prevents anyone from visiting, targeting, or kping them until morning. In the day post, it will announce that they were banished overnight. Prevents all KP. Happens after Mafia RB.

Lieutenant (Veteran): You’ve been around the block enough times to know that a case like this is never good news. You’ll do what you can to help your officers, of course. Just thinking about this makes you want to get out of the business. Damn, you're getting too old for this. You keep on thinking about that hush money you were offered. Maybe you should take it. No, that wouldn't be right. You pour yourself a couple fingers of firewhisky and call it a night. You have an extra night life. If you are RBed, that night life is suppressed during the RB. Once per game, during night 1, you can opt to take bribes. If you take bribes, you have 2 extra night lives instead of one. However, you will either get Miller or Wandering Townie in addition to your normal role, without being informed which. You will have the full effects of your extra role. If you are investigated, you will give results as though you were that role.

Private Detective (Tracker): You’ve seen blood mix with rain on the dark streets of Magical Manhattan, and you've never come out clean. Most of the time, your clients mostly want boring things— follow the husband, see if he’s cheating. Look up, or locate, an old flame who moved away. Find out what’s REALLY going on with Bernie Bott’s Every Flavour Beans. This one, though, seems different. She’s crying, and you’d put your hand on her shoulder, but your well-honed senses tell you that it wouldn’t go over well with her. She doesn’t have much money, she says. She knows she was Memory Charmed, but not who did it. She shudders. Something happened to her, something bad. You’ll get to the bottom of this. Each night, you may select a target. You follow that target and see who they visit that night.

Alastor Moody (Paranoid Gun Owner): Mad-Eye Moody had once worked out how long it had taken him, in retrospect, to achieve what he now considered a decent level of caution - weighed up how much experience it had taken him to get good instead of lucky - and had begun to suspect that most people died before they got there. Moody had once expressed this thought to Lyall, who had done some ciphering and figuring, and told him that a typical Dark Wizard hunter would die, on average, eight and a half times along the way to becoming 'paranoid'. This explained a great deal, assuming Lyall wasn't lying... At night, the first person who visits you during the night is hit with 1 kp. This effect resolves after roleblocks.

DUMBLEDORE (Cop): Wait, what? What’s Dumbledore doing in America? Isn’t he dead or something? Each night, you may target a player and learn their alignment.


Obstructors of Justice


Mafia Win Condition: The mafia wins when there are no remaining townies or nothing can prevent that from happening.

Mafia KP: Mafia shots = Two during N1, One for the rest of the game. Mafia may stack their KP N1.

Missing Evidence (Mafia Goon): Maybe you’re hidden, or maybe you’re just hard to find. One way or another, though, the prosecution can’t move forwards until you’re found. Magical Manhattan is a lot like Hogwarts’ Room of Requirement. Anything can get lost or be hidden there… You are a goon with no powers. You may deliver KP.

False Lead (Mafia Roleblocker): False leads happen all the time. Most of the time, they’re not even anyone’s fault. They sure do eat up valuable peoples’ time, though. You are a roleblocker. Each night, you may target a player and roleblock them. You can also deliver KP while doing this. Your RB resolves before any town abilities do.

Unhelpful Witness (Mafia Godfather): Sometimes, for one reason or another, people won’t talk. It’s traumatizing, they’ve been Memory Charmed, they’re afraid for their lives, they feel trapped. All these things seem obvious in hindsight, but the situation on the ground is muddy. You are a gf with no powers. You return green to checks. You may deliver KP without visiting the target. If you are RBed, you return red to checks that night.

Political Pressure (Mafia Framer): Damn it, how did this end up in the papers already? Now people are calling in all kinds of leads, there’s a scandal, and the DA’s office is putting pressure on you. Your main lead is even claiming Imperius. How can you gather evidence in a shitstorm like this? You are a framer. each night, you may target a player and choose what color they return to checks. You may deliver KP while doing this. Your ability resolves after town's RB abilities, but before Cop checks.

Leaky Precinct (Mafia Rolecop): As if things aren’t bad enough, someone in the department is talking to the press. You don’t have time for this. You’re up against a criminal who uses memory charms, confundus, and imperius. You're having enough trouble keeping track of investigation info as-is! You are a Rolecop. Each night, you may target a player and see what their role is. You may deliver KP while doing this.

Heinous Blackmail (Mafia Vigilante): No-- no, how could he KNOW? You have to do what he says, or it's over. You ask for a transfer to another case. You can't let anyone find out your secret, and if they know, you can't cross them. You are getting out. You have to. At night, you can fire a bullet to deal 1 kp to a target. You can't shoot during night 0.


Sample PMs
DMLE Investigator
Ministry Obliviator
Taking Bribes
Twin, your QT: _____
Potions Master
Investigator Extraordinaire
Lead Auror, Special Victims Unit
Auror, Special Victims Unit
Lieutenant
Private Detective
Alastor Moody
DUMBLEDORE
1-Shot Potions Master
1-Shot Investigator Extraordinaire
1-Shot Lead Auror, Special Victims Unit
1-Shot Auror, Special Victims Unit
1-Shot Private Detective
1-Shot Alastor Moody
1-Shot DUMBLEDORE
2-Shot Potions Master
2-Shot Investigator Extraordinaire
2-Shot Lead Auror, Special Victims Unit
2-Shot Auror, Special Victims Unit
2-Shot Private Detective
2-Shot Alastor Moody
2-Shot DUMBLEDORE
Missing Evidence, your QT: ____
False Lead, your QT: ____
1-Shot False Lead, your QT: ____
Unhelpful Witness, your QT: ____
1-Shot Unhelpful Witness, your QT: ____
Political Pressure, your QT: ____
Leaky Precinct, your QT: ____
Heinous Blackmail, your QT: ____
1-Shot Heinous Blackmail, your QT: ____
2-Shot Heinous Blackmail, your QT: ____
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-03 22:38:37
August 11 2015 08:00 GMT
#3
Player List
1) WaveofShadow (filter) DMLE Investigator Shot N1
2) Vivax (filter) False Lead lynched D3
3) Palmar (filter) Twin shot N3
4) Marvellosity (filter) 1-shot DUMBLEDORE shot N2
5) MoosyDoosy (filter)
6) KelsierSC (filter)
7) Mr. Cheesecake (filter)
8) Rsoultin (filter) DMLE Investigator Shot N1
9) VisceraEyes (filter)
10) Hopeless1der (filter) DMLE Investigator Lynched D2
11) Boxerfred (filter) DMLE Investigator Lynched D1
12) Trfel (filter)
13) justanothertownie (filter)
14) Deconduo (filter)


Replacement List
1) Alakaslam
2)
3)

Observers List
Scott31337, Amiko, ShiaoPi, Fidei86, Half the Sky

Sitouts List
Koshi


5 of 11 Working with DMLE Precinct 16 Remaining
2 of 3 Obstructors of Justice Remaining

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Boxerfred (filter) DMLE Investigator Lynched D1
WaveofShadow (filter) DMLE Investigator Shot N1
Rsoultin (filter) DMLE Investigator Shot N1
Hopeless1der (filter) DMLE Investigator Lynched D2
Marvellosity (filter) 1-shot DUMBLEDORE shot N2
Vivax (filter) False Lead lynched D3
Palmar (filter) Twin shot N3
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 11 2015 08:40 GMT
#4
Really interesting lynch mechanic. It feels like an interesting mix between deadline majority and instant majority. I really want to try it in a mini setup.

Interesting looking KP. Seems to prevent double stack (unless a mafia vig/mafia gunned by gunsmith). Lots of potential KP as well.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
August 11 2015 08:41 GMT
#5
On August 11 2015 17:40 geript wrote:
Really interesting lynch mechanic. It feels like an interesting mix between deadline majority and instant majority. I really want to try it in a mini setup.

Interesting looking KP. Seems to prevent double stack (unless a mafia vig/mafia gunned by gunsmith). Lots of potential KP as well.


Oh, fair point. Double stack should still be possible. I will amend text to reflect this.

I think this is a good general purpose lynch mechanic.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 11 2015 08:44 GMT
#6
So Poison is cumulative? I.e. Each stack of poison applies 1 kp the following night phase. That's odd given how powerful it is. Especially as players don't seem to know if they've been poisoned.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
August 11 2015 08:50 GMT
#7
On August 11 2015 17:44 geript wrote:
So Poison is cumulative? I.e. Each stack of poison applies 1 kp the following night phase. That's odd given how powerful it is. Especially as players don't seem to know if they've been poisoned.


Yeah, so if you apply like 2 poison to someone N1, they take 2 damage during N2 and 2 during N3. Veterans are stronger, though, and JK/Banisher are both able to prevent initial application (as opposed to just blocking the damage). Also poison, even starting N0, is worse and harder to aim than KP. It works out.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
August 11 2015 09:03 GMT
#8
It's definitely interesting. It's definitely a more powerful KP but much harder to aim for sure leading to different potential strategies. It also makes room for fake claiming (as both alignments) and not revealing 'saves' and/or not claiming. It also makes for some interesting potential twists if it ends up being balanced.

Does a wanderer who visits a PGO die?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
August 11 2015 09:11 GMT
#9
Wanderer who visits PGO dies horribly!
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 11 2015 09:23 GMT
#10
majority, ugh. too much effort in large games.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
August 11 2015 09:26 GMT
#11
rolling deadline!
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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16322 Posts
August 11 2015 09:33 GMT
#12
On August 11 2015 18:23 marvellosity wrote:
majority, ugh. too much effort in large games.

Yep.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
August 11 2015 09:35 GMT
#13
rolling deadlineeeeeee
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 09:53:42
August 11 2015 09:51 GMT
#14
rolling deadline is completely irrelevant, it still requires majority.

hence my comment "majority, ugh"

edit: I'm sure lots of other people will like interminable days and lack of voting flexibility though, so have at it!
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
August 11 2015 09:57 GMT
#15
Well if it looks like it won't fill due to voting systems, i'll switch to plurality, but I'm pretty sure all the basic problems with majority are solved by rolling deadline. The deadline is always at the same time, too! it's super great :D
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 11 2015 09:59 GMT
#16
fixed, exacerbated.

It's all a matter of perspective
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
August 11 2015 10:00 GMT
#17
I always perceived the basic problem with majority lynch that people were unwilling to change wagons and that it's hard to get majorities because people fear no-lynch. With an extendable deadline and no fear of that, that solves the problem. What's your perspective?
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 11 2015 10:04 GMT
#18
On August 11 2015 19:00 Blazinghand wrote:
I always perceived the basic problem with majority lynch that people were unwilling to change wagons and that it's hard to get majorities because people fear no-lynch. With an extendable deadline and no fear of that, that solves the problem. What's your perspective?

that I'm expecting to get a flip and then I have to wait another 24, 48... etc hours to get one and that's super, super tedious. I like death. So people aren't even forced to work to get a majority, they can just wait...

it's also very, very hard work as mafia.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-11 10:06:40
August 11 2015 10:06 GMT
#19
On August 11 2015 19:04 marvellosity wrote:
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On August 11 2015 19:00 Blazinghand wrote:
I always perceived the basic problem with majority lynch that people were unwilling to change wagons and that it's hard to get majorities because people fear no-lynch. With an extendable deadline and no fear of that, that solves the problem. What's your perspective?

that I'm expecting to get a flip and then I have to wait another 24, 48... etc hours to get one and that's super, super tedious. I like death. So people aren't even forced to work to get a majority, they can just wait...

it's also very, very hard work as mafia.


Ah, ok. I was mostly looking at it from a "majority is too mafia favored" perspective but hadn't thought about it from the other way around. Good point! well, if it seems like people are mostly uninterested in this kind of superior different voting mechanic, I'll switch to plurality.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
August 11 2015 10:07 GMT
#20
I actually might steal the 24h idea, though, if i host.

48h traditional plurality, option to end day at 24h if there's a majority at that time. I find that kinda neat.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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