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Why you shouldnt be playing random on ladder.

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XERtirips
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-22 22:12:18
August 22 2012 21:54 GMT
#1
I have nothing against random, because I play random too, just not like picking random.

Like I choose terran for 10 games in a row then switch, etc.

But the reason why I disagree a ton with playing random is;

Learning defections.

---------

Just think, you play random, maybe you're chosen zerg, and you get a toss player.
The toss cant play out the standard early-midgame pvz until he either; lets the zerg scout him, or he scouts early on before his first pylon (Perhaps 7 supply?) and lets say, the toss is good and opens up 1 gate fe (not the normal pvz) and the zerg is forced to open up pool first because of the threat of early zealots with an expo behind it.


If you still don't understand, lemme try again;

You're chosen Protoss vs a zerg (again yes PvZ, just the player is protoss.) and the zerg is forced to open safe 11 pool or 15 pool, or defensive 10 pool and then expanding behind a speedling allin or baneling bust on 2 base.

Its not the standard ZvP/PvZ and you can only learn off of the non standard pvz that you get as being random.

I understand on how some actually do play random and tell their race, this post is not directed towards you. ^^
I do understand also on how some people dont even play random but do sometimes for the lols and try to learn abit about the other races, this isn't partially directed towards you guys/girls, either.

I am really putting this directly at the randoms on ladder who are plat or below who don't tell their race.

If you still dont understand, heres my TL;DR.

TL;DR= You dont play the normal meta game for each match up outside of random, and it's a bad learning defect in playing sc2.

/topic

(This is my first serious topic on TeamLiquid forums.
The original topic title was "Why I don't agree with playing random" but it didn't fit the topic.)
www.twitch.tv/tgo1 Top 8 Platinum Protoss livestreaming, trying to get better =D
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-22 22:00:53
August 22 2012 21:57 GMT
#2
That only works if your goal with playing random is learning and that the learning should be how to play a standard game. If you wanted to say "You shouldn't play random if you want to play to improve at playing the standard meta game, and assume that random isn't a valid meta game to learn" then sure, but I think it's narrow minded to assume that'd be the reason everyone plays the game.

Edit: I guess the other way of wording it would be "Why I don't play random".
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Atlasy
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Hungary229 Posts
August 22 2012 21:57 GMT
#3
ehh,,, until you are playing on pro level you shouldn't bother with these kind of things, Under diamond(maybe master) everything is non standard so..
BloodNinja
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2791 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-22 22:01:20
August 22 2012 21:58 GMT
#4
I play random because its fun and I play to have fun. So why shouldn't I play random and have fun? Why exactly should I care about the metagame? Its not like I plan on going pro (or even hitting GM on ladder).
komakino
Profile Joined March 2011
United States12 Posts
August 22 2012 22:00 GMT
#5
Your whole post is about why you shouldn't play random if you want to learn the meta game or improve. I have two accounts. One where I play zerg and the other where I play random just for fun when I want to play SC2 but do not want to focus on climbing the ladder,working on mechanics, etc.

You should really consider reframing your post. It just sounds like you don't understand why a lot of people play a game; it is fun.

I understand what you are saying and I think you are right but I think few people play random to really improve at a high level and learn the metagame.
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
August 22 2012 22:03 GMT
#6
I guess this is good advice for the 5 random players who are really trying to be the best on their server. As for everyone else, they probably don't care.
XERtirips
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States123 Posts
August 22 2012 22:04 GMT
#7
I understand what you are saying and I think you are right but I think few people play random to really improve at a high level and learn the metagame.


I sometimes play random on another account to see what I lose to if I play vs my main race as another race.

So I guess you're right on that part. :p
www.twitch.tv/tgo1 Top 8 Platinum Protoss livestreaming, trying to get better =D
Gulf
Profile Joined May 2010
Scotland213 Posts
August 22 2012 22:04 GMT
#8
On August 23 2012 06:54 XERtirips wrote:
I have nothing against random, because I play random too, just not like picking random.

Like I choose terran for 10 games in a row then switch, etc.

But the reason why I disagree a ton with playing random is;

Learning defections.

---------

Just think, you play random, maybe you're chosen zerg, and you get a toss player.
The toss cant play out the standard early-midgame pvz until he either; lets the zerg scout him, or he scouts early on before his first pylon (Perhaps 7 supply?) and lets say, the toss is good and opens up 1 gate fe (not the normal pvz) and the zerg is forced to open up pool first because of the threat of early zealots with an expo behind it.


If you still don't understand, lemme try again;

You're chosen Protoss vs a zerg (again yes PvZ, just the player is protoss.) and the zerg is forced to open safe 11 pool or 15 pool, or defensive 10 pool and then expanding behind a speedling allin or baneling bust on 2 base.

Its not the standard ZvP/PvZ and you can only learn off of the non standard pvz that you get as being random.

If you still dont understand, heres my TL;DR.

TL;DR= You dont play the normal meta game for each match up outside of random, and it's a bad learning defect in playing sc2.

/topic

(This is my first serious topic on TeamLiquid forums.
The original topic title was "Why I don't agree with playing random" but it didn't fit the topic.)



I understand what you are trying to say, but I disagree wtih your argument. Why is it bad for people to experience non standard games? Experience outwith that standard metagame openings will still add to a players experience, which is still positive learning.
Maxd11
Profile Joined July 2011
United States680 Posts
August 22 2012 22:06 GMT
#9
Jelly of my dark-voice portrait are ya?
I looked in the mirror and saw biupilm69t
Ezaura_au
Profile Joined August 2012
114 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-22 22:08:38
August 22 2012 22:07 GMT
#10
I want to play random on ladder then I'll play random. It's there as a choice, therefore it isn't forbidden or any sort of cheat.

TL;DR (fashionable) go fuck yourself .

User was warned for this post
furo
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany449 Posts
August 22 2012 22:08 GMT
#11
why do you want to play standard if there is no standard play for you?
you play random, not a specific race.
this works in your favour (metagame-wise)
Elche
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland170 Posts
August 22 2012 22:08 GMT
#12
Couldn't you just tell your opponent what race you happened to roll?
andReslic
Profile Joined January 2012
216 Posts
August 22 2012 22:10 GMT
#13
lol I doubt anyone cares about this, random is there and people will use it lol or dont tell me is it killing esports?
PardonYou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1360 Posts
August 22 2012 22:11 GMT
#14
Don't tell people not to do something. Seems rude and pompous.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
August 22 2012 22:11 GMT
#15
No you actually learn to play the game if you want to. I wanted my portraits when I played random, and I got them, I just gold people my race. These threads are absolutely nonsense and have no bearing on the few thousand people that will read them. I played random, I told people my race, and I got shit on in chat and allin'd everygame still. Where are you 50 threads a month about that? Random is a legitimate race, if people don't wish to disclose their in game race, get a build for vs random that can adapt to each matchup later on after you scout it. They have to learn 9 matchups, you don't. Deal with it

/sunglasses.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
XERtirips
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States123 Posts
August 22 2012 22:11 GMT
#16
On August 23 2012 07:04 Gulf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 06:54 XERtirips wrote:
I have nothing against random, because I play random too, just not like picking random.

Like I choose terran for 10 games in a row then switch, etc.

But the reason why I disagree a ton with playing random is;

Learning defections.

---------

Just think, you play random, maybe you're chosen zerg, and you get a toss player.
The toss cant play out the standard early-midgame pvz until he either; lets the zerg scout him, or he scouts early on before his first pylon (Perhaps 7 supply?) and lets say, the toss is good and opens up 1 gate fe (not the normal pvz) and the zerg is forced to open up pool first because of the threat of early zealots with an expo behind it.


If you still don't understand, lemme try again;

You're chosen Protoss vs a zerg (again yes PvZ, just the player is protoss.) and the zerg is forced to open safe 11 pool or 15 pool, or defensive 10 pool and then expanding behind a speedling allin or baneling bust on 2 base.

Its not the standard ZvP/PvZ and you can only learn off of the non standard pvz that you get as being random.

If you still dont understand, heres my TL;DR.

TL;DR= You dont play the normal meta game for each match up outside of random, and it's a bad learning defect in playing sc2.

/topic

(This is my first serious topic on TeamLiquid forums.
The original topic title was "Why I don't agree with playing random" but it didn't fit the topic.)



I understand what you are trying to say, but I disagree wtih your argument. Why is it bad for people to experience non standard games? Experience outwith that standard metagame openings will still add to a players experience, which is still positive learning.


I never said it was bad.
I just don't agree with how you have to play vs random and then the random has to shift with that in a weird, unorthadox way.

(Im talking about low leagues here, and the argument is mostly too.)
www.twitch.tv/tgo1 Top 8 Platinum Protoss livestreaming, trying to get better =D
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
August 22 2012 22:12 GMT
#17
On August 23 2012 07:10 andReslic wrote:
lol I doubt anyone cares about this, random is there and people will use it lol or dont tell me is it killing esports?


With all the "Anti-Random" threads that has been popping up lately the answer seems to be yes, at least according to the thread creators of said threads.

OT: If someone wants to play random, let them play random... why all these threads?
You need to construct additional pylons.
Noizhende
Profile Joined January 2012
Austria328 Posts
August 22 2012 22:13 GMT
#18
So you are saying that by playing the standard builds over and over again you are learning more than by facing more unpredictable, intuitive builds?
I don't think so.
Die neuen Tempel haben schon Risse - künftige Ruinen - einst wächst Gras auch über diese Stadt - über ihre letzte Schicht
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-22 22:16:19
August 22 2012 22:13 GMT
#19
Lol, this thread is pointless, heres why

If you play random and it disrupts the metagame into something different, it doesnt matter because THAT is then the metagame they need to know, because they play random. Catch my drift?

Random player Vs X

the random player will eventually learn what races do in that position (vs rdm) and develop strategies behind it, much like the normal metagame.

Because its not "normal" gameplay from a typical XvX means nothing to a random player, the fucked up version is his norm.

EDIT: Wether its a detriment to your opponent or not, its a challenge to them, which is a good thing imo. Not being able to execute a safe build vs all MU's is fail anyway, and if it puts you behind, your expertise with your race should even things out, random players arent experts at a chosen matchup, they're jacks of all trades, right? ^^ (Or as i like to call them, cheesey bastards.)

Also, who the FUCK will trust random ladder player saying : Dont worry bro im toss. Next minute, 6 zerglings in ur base raping them probies.
Useless wet fish.
SiegeFlank
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States410 Posts
August 22 2012 22:14 GMT
#20
People should play whatever they enjoy the most. If they enjoy playing random, then they should play random.
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