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Hoon
Profile Joined December 2010
Brazil891 Posts
August 22 2012 22:31 GMT
#41
What if I have more fun choosing random?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
August 22 2012 22:31 GMT
#42
On August 23 2012 06:54 XERtirips wrote:
lets say, the toss is good and opens up 1 gate fe (not the normal pvz) and the zerg is forced to open up pool first because of the threat of early zealots with an expo behind it.


typically a zerg will open pool first anyways to deal with potential cannon rush-- it just happens to also work against a gateway opening.
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Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
August 22 2012 22:32 GMT
#43
so jelley man
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askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-22 22:32:47
August 22 2012 22:32 GMT
#44
stop telling people what they should and shouldnt do unless you want to sound pretentious kid that was beaten by random
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QuackPocketDuck
Profile Joined January 2011
410 Posts
August 22 2012 22:32 GMT
#45
Play the game however you want and enjoy this thread reminds me of how some people think its neccessary to PM you after losing the game explaining to you that you do not play the game properly..

Play how you want, dont cheat, have fun
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sCCrooked
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1306 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-22 22:35:39
August 22 2012 22:33 GMT
#46
Random is fine. Nobody who plays random has equal skill with all races and anyone below pro level is probably just meh in all match-ups but gets away with it because of the cautiousness the other player has to play with. Let them play random, they'll never get to pro level with any of them which really diffuses the need for any adjustments from Blizzard.
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WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
August 22 2012 22:34 GMT
#47
On August 23 2012 07:29 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 07:28 WniO wrote:
in the end we will all be playing random... look at bw.


Didn't people boot you instantly if you tried playing Random in ICCup?

not talking about iccup. just in general - honestly was there anyone who just played 1 race for all those years? common. so many people will switch with the expansions and 5 years down the line.
lem0ncake
Profile Joined June 2012
England85 Posts
August 22 2012 22:34 GMT
#48
Doesn't matter, random players are almost always terrible and just do some shitty cheese. If you scout it early and hold it off they're in uncharted waters past the 10 minute mark.
Masvidal
Profile Joined April 2012
Korea (South)213 Posts
August 22 2012 22:35 GMT
#49
Why doesn't random show your race during loading screen, like any self-respecting RTS?
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Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
August 22 2012 22:38 GMT
#50
On August 23 2012 07:35 Masvidal wrote:
Why doesn't random show your race during loading screen, like any self-respecting RTS?


What RTS did this? All RTS's I've played if you picked the Random option the race you got were not shown at all.
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ishyishy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
August 22 2012 22:38 GMT
#51
On August 23 2012 07:35 Masvidal wrote:
Why doesn't random show your race during loading screen, like any self-respecting RTS?


Where is the fun in that? You dont get that half-second jolt of "SURPRISE!" when the game starts. You never know what hotkeys to press until the loading screen completes. How can you take that away from the children!
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-22 22:39:54
August 22 2012 22:39 GMT
#52
I completely disagree with you...
1.most players just care about winning on the ladder which means it is probably better for them if their opponent doesn't know what race they're playing eventhough they probably won't get that much better in the standard early game of the matchups
2.Even if they want to improve and play in tournaments or whatever:
If they always play random they probably won't face a super matchup-focused opening (like ever) so there is no reason for them to learn the standard openings of their opponents but rather the openings their opponents will do vs random players
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
August 22 2012 22:42 GMT
#53
It's the correct metagame for the random player.

But practising random if you're really playing a single race is retarded to start with, it's needless to even bring up the metagame stuff, altho what you(OP) said stands, and should be obvious.
oanraduk
Profile Joined October 2011
9 Posts
August 22 2012 22:42 GMT
#54
so people have started massively whining about random. the game is finaly balanced.
aviator116
Profile Joined November 2011
United States820 Posts
August 22 2012 22:43 GMT
#55
New OP race? Random.
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AzureD
Profile Joined September 2010
United States320 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-22 22:47:22
August 22 2012 22:44 GMT
#56
What if you play random in order to take advantage of lack of information? This forces the enemy player to use safe builds against you and scout early. You yourself can probably predict they will play safe and do not have to scout until later.

Random can almost be considered playing a 4th race because of how it affects the early game so much. You are not a Zerg, Terran, or Protoss player. You are a random player which has its own meta game.

Practicing against you can also be difficult in a tournament setting because practicing against all 3 races separately will not work quite as well. They have to practice against a random.
sperY
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Serbia444 Posts
August 22 2012 22:49 GMT
#57
I wanna have some fun.
Don't tell me what to do!
Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
August 22 2012 22:50 GMT
#58
On August 23 2012 07:34 WniO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2012 07:29 Fanatic-Templar wrote:
On August 23 2012 07:28 WniO wrote:
in the end we will all be playing random... look at bw.


Didn't people boot you instantly if you tried playing Random in ICCup?

not talking about iccup. just in general - honestly was there anyone who just played 1 race for all those years? common. so many people will switch with the expansions and 5 years down the line.


I did! I started playing Protoss all the way back in 1998 .
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ishyishy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
August 22 2012 22:51 GMT
#59
On August 23 2012 07:44 AzureD wrote:
What if you play random in order to take advantage of lack of information? This forces the enemy player to use safe builds against you and scout early. You yourself can probably predict they will play safe and do not have to scout until later.

Random can almost be considered playing a 4th race because of how it affects the early game so much. You are not a Zerg, Terran, or Protoss player. You are a random player which has its own meta game.

Practicing against you can also be difficult in a tournament setting because practicing against all 3 races separately will not work quite as well. They have to practice against a random.



Ok so what you are saying is that preparing against a Random player is actually MORE difficult and requires more attention to detail when playing? But, I believe the OP said that you actually get worse when you play Random and play against Random. Well, fortunately the OP couldnt be more wrong, and you couldnt be more right. Case closed!
kranten
Profile Joined January 2012
Netherlands236 Posts
August 22 2012 22:55 GMT
#60
Playing as random still allows you to improve macro, decision making and all sorts of skills that are needed in this game. Even though the opening of the opponent might not be optimal, the game (besides the early game) will play out very similar to every other game. Unit compositions, strengths of races at certain times, tactics you can use, etc are all the same.

When you've learned to play against a 1 gate expand, or 3 gate expand in ZvP, it's honestly no big deal to get that 3rd hatch a bit earlier, get gas at different timings and play the 'standard' game, for example. Many of the skills you get in the older metagame directly transfer to the new metagame.
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