EPTWhy you shouldnt be playing random on ladder. - Page 23
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joebang
United States33 Posts
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ScienceNotBusiness
United States91 Posts
On August 26 2012 12:57 joebang wrote: i dont know why you posted this... theres a reason people choose random, to get an edge in being random. if your opponent knew wat race you were he has options but because he doesnt he has no choice but to play safe and not be greedy to have an early edge. because hes making excuses for being scared to play against random | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On August 26 2012 11:18 kill619 wrote: If he did the same thing after picking zerg, his opponent would have been playing as if he was playing against a zerg(ie wall off, ffe, not hatch first), instead of gambling and hoping that his opponent didn't end up a zerg. you ALWAYS wall against a random if you're toss or terran. chances are you scout before cyber goes down in that case i dont wall off anymore. protoss can proxy gateway, zerg can 6pool, terran can proxy rax. i have no idea why random cheese is no different than any other. be prepared for it and blaming random is very narrow way to look at it. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On August 26 2012 14:05 Sated wrote: You can defend against early pools as Protoss by building your Gateway near your Nexus. It's actually easier, because your Zealot doesn't have to stray too far from your mineral line to defend your buildings. i do sim city sometimes as terran but i prefer not to with protoss. good zerg player's lings running inside my base before stalker gets really annoying XD | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
Not that hard. You are behind 1 worker at the 6:00 mark for doing this. | ||
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734pot
Australia294 Posts
On August 26 2012 15:11 Belial88 wrote: I drone scout on 10 against Random (just like I do in ZvZ). I will see if they are Toss in time to go 15 pool, or if they are T/Z to go hatch first. Not that hard. You are behind 1 worker at the 6:00 mark for doing this. Do you just go 15 pool if you don't scout them in time to know whether its safe to 15 hatch or not? | ||
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MrLion
India93 Posts
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ScienceNotBusiness
United States91 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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FortMonty
United States63 Posts
On August 26 2012 17:44 ScienceNotBusiness wrote: forums are dumb and anyone that pretends to participate should realize that maybe only 1 personw ill ever care what you say. thats why im a lurker for life, but when i see a thread as dumb as this, ill be sure to respond. for the rest of u, it's pretty sad that you read 20 pages of shit. Should I even justify this with a response lol? Oh wait, guess I already did so hell why not. Yeah most people really don't care what you have to say, but who cares? We're just throwin shit out there, besides you say we should eb said for reading 20 pages of this, when you're the EXACT same way, hell how do you know we're not just doing what your doing? | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On August 26 2012 17:44 ScienceNotBusiness wrote: forums are dumb and anyone that pretends to participate should realize that maybe only 1 personw ill ever care what you say. thats why im a lurker for life, but when i see a thread as dumb as this, ill be sure to respond. for the rest of u, it's pretty sad that you read 20 pages of shit. That means you respond in threads than you did not read ? I guess that's a way to go  Wasn't there a pro who played in GSTL a long time ago (i have Gumiho o rGuineaPig in my head). I remembered that Slayers sent Boxer to dispose him at the time. So you see OP ^^ There's random at a lot of level (not currently that's true). And BW pro were oblig to play random when playing 22 when they were 2zerg (I remember this but i'm not so sure). I like to play Terran and Zerg. But i want the surprise at the stard. Terran => Yeah i'm gonna loose but will be fun (not a balance whine. I'm just terrible at terran) Zerg => Ok that will not be difficult. (main race) (A lot of time this sentence turns out i was wrong :p=) Protoss => Fuck damnit how do you play those things (P hater here:p) | ||
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Louis8k8
Canada285 Posts
I only rush-cheese if it's a Bo3 or higher custom 1v1 because I like to mindfk with my opponents. My ladder games are always multi-base timing pushes. Sadly, Protoss is the only race I dare experiment with on ladder (wonky builds). My macro is terrible for T and Z if I don't go the standard composition for each MU. Players are taking too much for granted if they think they can always get away with not preparing for early pressure regardless of race. The random player's anonymous advantage disappears as soon as they scout you or you scout them. Some people seem to think a random Protoss or w/e is magically stronger than a regular Protoss. I for one don't change my openings at all because my opponent is a certain race. The same macro-defensive opening works for everything. It's a matter of whether I scout it or not. *darn sneaky proxies >  | ||
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Rakso
Sweden18 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On August 26 2012 12:57 joebang wrote: i dont know why you posted this... theres a reason people choose random, to get an edge in being random. if your opponent knew wat race you were he has options but because he doesnt he has no choice but to play safe and not be greedy to have an early edge. A player is burdening himself by playing 3 races so he can get a [not so great] 2 minute advantage? | ||
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sfbaydave
United States32 Posts
They dont have time to nail down any hardcore strategies, so they need an extra advantage. They cant win straight up because they're not good enough, so they resort to all-ins. Obviously they are not serious players, so they shouldnt be treated as such. So, they will continue on 10 pooling, cannon rushing, or 2 rax/marine all-ining because its all they know how to do. | ||
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JDub
United States976 Posts
On August 28 2012 15:40 sfbaydave wrote: People who play random are indecisive about what race they want to play. They dont have time to nail down any hardcore strategies, so they need an extra advantage. They cant win straight up because they're not good enough, so they resort to all-ins. Obviously they are not serious players, so they shouldnt be treated as such. So, they will continue on 10 pooling, cannon rushing, or 2 rax/marine all-ining because its all they know how to do. So what you're trying to say is: "I can't believe someone would be way better than me with all 3 races". Please stop with this anti-Random BS. Some random players cheese, some don't. It's the same as players of any specific race. I got to Masters as Random without cheesing, and since then have switched over to playing each race on a separate account (I think it's better practice to play the same race over and over again, and this way they can each have their own MMR). Guess what? I got to Masters really easily as each race individually, playing "straight up". | ||
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On August 28 2012 15:40 sfbaydave wrote: People who play random are indecisive about what race they want to play. They dont have time to nail down any hardcore strategies, so they need an extra advantage. They cant win straight up because they're not good enough, so they resort to all-ins. Obviously they are not serious players, so they shouldnt be treated as such. So, they will continue on 10 pooling, cannon rushing, or 2 rax/marine all-ining because its all they know how to do. I'm glad you know the random players better than they know themselves. I guess I'll make up a likewise blanket statement about people who go on a forum to bitch about random cheese and try to over-compensate for their own incompetence by convincing themselves of stupid shit such as this every time they lose to a random. | ||
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MrCash
United States1504 Posts
I can't say for sure if this thread is actually contributing to people wanting to play random more or there are other factors involved, but this thread almost certainly is not reducing the number of random player on ladder. Some will share race if asked politely, but not all. I would like to add that they don't really seem to cheese anymore than non-random players, but their play certainly feels different. Not necesserily worse mechanically, but maybe more sloppy builds / less refined play. I do find it overall quite impressive. To play random at masters level isn't an easy feat in my eyes. | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On August 28 2012 15:40 sfbaydave wrote: People who play random are indecisive about what race they want to play. They dont have time to nail down any hardcore strategies, so they need an extra advantage. They cant win straight up because they're not good enough, so they resort to all-ins. Obviously they are not serious players, so they shouldnt be treated as such. So, they will continue on 10 pooling, cannon rushing, or 2 rax/marine all-ining because its all they know how to do. LOL "serious players" Do tell me, how "serious" do you take SC2? Enough to give up everything to pursue the career of a pro-gamer? If not, then I advise you to shut up and get out of your little bubble because you're just playing for fun like everybody else. Grow up. | ||
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imEnex
Canada500 Posts
p.s. IMHO | ||
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