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joebang
Profile Joined December 2010
United States33 Posts
August 26 2012 03:57 GMT
#441
i dont know why you posted this... theres a reason people choose random, to get an edge in being random. if your opponent knew wat race you were he has options but because he doesnt he has no choice but to play safe and not be greedy to have an early edge.
ScienceNotBusiness
Profile Joined March 2012
United States91 Posts
August 26 2012 03:58 GMT
#442
On August 26 2012 12:57 joebang wrote:
i dont know why you posted this... theres a reason people choose random, to get an edge in being random. if your opponent knew wat race you were he has options but because he doesnt he has no choice but to play safe and not be greedy to have an early edge.


because hes making excuses for being scared to play against random
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 26 2012 04:56 GMT
#443
On August 26 2012 11:18 kill619 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 21:27 jinorazi wrote:
On August 25 2012 20:33 theBALLS wrote:
I always play protoss. Yesterday I accidentally clicked random, spawned as zerg. 6pooled and won.


This is why I agree with you.


lol you could have done the same after picking zerg. small sample size, no?
or did i miss the sarcasm.

If he did the same thing after picking zerg, his opponent would have been playing as if he was playing against a zerg(ie wall off, ffe, not hatch first), instead of gambling and hoping that his opponent didn't end up a zerg.


you ALWAYS wall against a random if you're toss or terran. chances are you scout before cyber goes down in that case i dont wall off anymore. protoss can proxy gateway, zerg can 6pool, terran can proxy rax. i have no idea why random cheese is no different than any other. be prepared for it and blaming random is very narrow way to look at it.
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
August 26 2012 05:05 GMT
#444
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jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 26 2012 05:20 GMT
#445
On August 26 2012 14:05 Sated wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 13:56 jinorazi wrote:
On August 26 2012 11:18 kill619 wrote:
On August 25 2012 21:27 jinorazi wrote:
On August 25 2012 20:33 theBALLS wrote:
I always play protoss. Yesterday I accidentally clicked random, spawned as zerg. 6pooled and won.


This is why I agree with you.


lol you could have done the same after picking zerg. small sample size, no?
or did i miss the sarcasm.

If he did the same thing after picking zerg, his opponent would have been playing as if he was playing against a zerg(ie wall off, ffe, not hatch first), instead of gambling and hoping that his opponent didn't end up a zerg.


you ALWAYS wall against a random if you're toss or terran. chances are you scout before cyber goes down in that case i dont wall off anymore. protoss can proxy gateway, zerg can 6pool, terran can proxy rax. i have no idea why random cheese is no different than any other. be prepared for it and blaming random is very narrow way to look at it.

You can defend against early pools as Protoss by building your Gateway near your Nexus. It's actually easier, because your Zealot doesn't have to stray too far from your mineral line to defend your buildings.


i do sim city sometimes as terran but i prefer not to with protoss. good zerg player's lings running inside my base before stalker gets really annoying XD
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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
August 26 2012 06:11 GMT
#446
I drone scout on 10 against Random (just like I do in ZvZ). I will see if they are Toss in time to go 15 pool, or if they are T/Z to go hatch first.

Not that hard. You are behind 1 worker at the 6:00 mark for doing this.
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734pot
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia294 Posts
August 26 2012 06:46 GMT
#447
On August 26 2012 15:11 Belial88 wrote:
I drone scout on 10 against Random (just like I do in ZvZ). I will see if they are Toss in time to go 15 pool, or if they are T/Z to go hatch first.

Not that hard. You are behind 1 worker at the 6:00 mark for doing this.


Do you just go 15 pool if you don't scout them in time to know whether its safe to 15 hatch or not?
MrLion
Profile Joined December 2010
India93 Posts
August 26 2012 07:12 GMT
#448
Playing random has a 10x bigger disadvantage in that you have to know how to play all 3 races. A slight advantage against some early game openings is nothing compared to this disadvantage. Almost everyone would drop a league if they started playing random.
ScienceNotBusiness
Profile Joined March 2012
United States91 Posts
August 26 2012 08:44 GMT
#449
forums are dumb and anyone that pretends to participate should realize that maybe only 1 personw ill ever care what you say. thats why im a lurker for life, but when i see a thread as dumb as this, ill be sure to respond. for the rest of u, it's pretty sad that you read 20 pages of shit.

User was temp banned for this post.
FortMonty
Profile Joined May 2012
United States63 Posts
August 26 2012 23:43 GMT
#450
On August 26 2012 17:44 ScienceNotBusiness wrote:
forums are dumb and anyone that pretends to participate should realize that maybe only 1 personw ill ever care what you say. thats why im a lurker for life, but when i see a thread as dumb as this, ill be sure to respond. for the rest of u, it's pretty sad that you read 20 pages of shit.


Should I even justify this with a response lol? Oh wait, guess I already did so hell why not. Yeah most people really don't care what you have to say, but who cares? We're just throwin shit out there, besides you say we should eb said for reading 20 pages of this, when you're the EXACT same way, hell how do you know we're not just doing what your doing?
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 13:05:58
August 27 2012 13:03 GMT
#451
On August 26 2012 17:44 ScienceNotBusiness wrote:
forums are dumb and anyone that pretends to participate should realize that maybe only 1 personw ill ever care what you say. thats why im a lurker for life, but when i see a thread as dumb as this, ill be sure to respond. for the rest of u, it's pretty sad that you read 20 pages of shit.


That means you respond in threads than you did not read ? I guess that's a way to go

Wasn't there a pro who played in GSTL a long time ago (i have Gumiho o rGuineaPig in my head). I remembered that Slayers sent Boxer to dispose him at the time.

So you see OP ^^ There's random at a lot of level (not currently that's true). And BW pro were oblig to play random when playing 22 when they were 2zerg (I remember this but i'm not so sure).

I like to play Terran and Zerg. But i want the surprise at the stard.

Terran => Yeah i'm gonna loose but will be fun (not a balance whine. I'm just terrible at terran)
Zerg => Ok that will not be difficult. (main race) (A lot of time this sentence turns out i was wrong :p=)
Protoss => Fuck damnit how do you play those things (P hater here:p)
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Louis8k8
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada285 Posts
August 27 2012 14:00 GMT
#452
I play random because I can't decide between Zerg and Protoss. I hate PvP so I don't like playing only protoss as there's gonna be a lot more PvP.

I only rush-cheese if it's a Bo3 or higher custom 1v1 because I like to mindfk with my opponents. My ladder games are always multi-base timing pushes.

Sadly, Protoss is the only race I dare experiment with on ladder (wonky builds). My macro is terrible for T and Z if I don't go the standard composition for each MU.

Players are taking too much for granted if they think they can always get away with not preparing for early pressure regardless of race. The random player's anonymous advantage disappears as soon as they scout you or you scout them. Some people seem to think a random Protoss or w/e is magically stronger than a regular Protoss.

I for one don't change my openings at all because my opponent is a certain race. The same macro-defensive opening works for everything. It's a matter of whether I scout it or not. *darn sneaky proxies >
Rakso
Profile Joined May 2012
Sweden18 Posts
August 27 2012 14:31 GMT
#453
Everyone should decide for themselves what they want to play, If you do like all the races and don't want to play only a single one all the time the feature of picking random could actualy be quite good.. Tho there is builds you do if you are up against a random player on the ladder.. I usualy scout at 12 as Zerg to see what im against.. And also don't play a too risky build behind it.
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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
August 27 2012 14:32 GMT
#454
On August 26 2012 12:57 joebang wrote:
i dont know why you posted this... theres a reason people choose random, to get an edge in being random. if your opponent knew wat race you were he has options but because he doesnt he has no choice but to play safe and not be greedy to have an early edge.


A player is burdening himself by playing 3 races so he can get a [not so great] 2 minute advantage?
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
sfbaydave
Profile Joined May 2011
United States32 Posts
August 28 2012 06:40 GMT
#455
People who play random are indecisive about what race they want to play.
They dont have time to nail down any hardcore strategies, so they need an extra advantage.
They cant win straight up because they're not good enough, so they resort to all-ins.

Obviously they are not serious players, so they shouldnt be treated as such.
So, they will continue on 10 pooling, cannon rushing, or 2 rax/marine all-ining because its all they know how to do.
JDub
Profile Joined December 2010
United States976 Posts
August 28 2012 14:30 GMT
#456
On August 28 2012 15:40 sfbaydave wrote:
People who play random are indecisive about what race they want to play.
They dont have time to nail down any hardcore strategies, so they need an extra advantage.
They cant win straight up because they're not good enough, so they resort to all-ins.

Obviously they are not serious players, so they shouldnt be treated as such.
So, they will continue on 10 pooling, cannon rushing, or 2 rax/marine all-ining because its all they know how to do.

So what you're trying to say is: "I can't believe someone would be way better than me with all 3 races". Please stop with this anti-Random BS. Some random players cheese, some don't. It's the same as players of any specific race. I got to Masters as Random without cheesing, and since then have switched over to playing each race on a separate account (I think it's better practice to play the same race over and over again, and this way they can each have their own MMR). Guess what? I got to Masters really easily as each race individually, playing "straight up".
rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
August 29 2012 04:35 GMT
#457
On August 28 2012 15:40 sfbaydave wrote:
People who play random are indecisive about what race they want to play.
They dont have time to nail down any hardcore strategies, so they need an extra advantage.
They cant win straight up because they're not good enough, so they resort to all-ins.

Obviously they are not serious players, so they shouldnt be treated as such.
So, they will continue on 10 pooling, cannon rushing, or 2 rax/marine all-ining because its all they know how to do.


I'm glad you know the random players better than they know themselves. I guess I'll make up a likewise blanket statement about people who go on a forum to bitch about random cheese and try to over-compensate for their own incompetence by convincing themselves of stupid shit such as this every time they lose to a random.
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 04:42:55
August 29 2012 04:38 GMT
#458
I would like to say is I've seen more random player on ladder in the last few days then ever before.
I can't say for sure if this thread is actually contributing to people wanting to play random more or there are other factors involved, but this thread almost certainly is not reducing the number of random player on ladder.

Some will share race if asked politely, but not all.
I would like to add that they don't really seem to cheese anymore than non-random players, but their play certainly feels different. Not necesserily worse mechanically, but maybe more sloppy builds / less refined play.

I do find it overall quite impressive. To play random at masters level isn't an easy feat in my eyes.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
August 29 2012 04:46 GMT
#459
On August 28 2012 15:40 sfbaydave wrote:
People who play random are indecisive about what race they want to play.
They dont have time to nail down any hardcore strategies, so they need an extra advantage.
They cant win straight up because they're not good enough, so they resort to all-ins.

Obviously they are not serious players, so they shouldnt be treated as such.
So, they will continue on 10 pooling, cannon rushing, or 2 rax/marine all-ining because its all they know how to do.

LOL "serious players"
Do tell me, how "serious" do you take SC2? Enough to give up everything to pursue the career of a pro-gamer? If not, then I advise you to shut up and get out of your little bubble because you're just playing for fun like everybody else. Grow up.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
imEnex
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada500 Posts
August 29 2012 04:54 GMT
#460
Don't worry, the KeSPA players are going to get ALOT better over the next year or so, the skill gap is going to increase, making the BW players for favourable

p.s. IMHO
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