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[G] TheCore - Advanced Keyboard Layout

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JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-05 03:12:42
June 02 2012 21:50 GMT
#1


Everything you need to get started with TheCore




Click on the above text to get started. Within the following spoiler is the old OP. Some of it is accurate, some is not. Traverse at your own risk

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TheCore is a completely new take on how to use a keyboard in Starcraft 2. It offers all 10 control groups, all 8 location keys, and out of the 24 keys required to play Starcraft, 17 are adjacent to the resting position or closer. All the common key combinations are planned out to flow smoothly without finger repetition. It is designed with both efficiency and ergonomics in mind so that you can enjoy the game without the keyboard getting in the way. TheCore is a new pair of running shoes: For a beginner, it will make running more comfortable. For an expert, it can give you an edge.

Interactive Demo (Need coffeescript coder to update for 4.0!)



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             What you'll likely experience should you choose to try TheCore.
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  1. Curiosity
      What is this 450 page thread on hotkeys? Hmm, looks interesting. I'll give it a try.


  2. Back to School
      So it turns out you have no natural talent. You don't naturally remember dozens of hotkeys. Your fingers don't naturally press the right thing. Your brain doesn't naturally remember the right thing in the first place. It turns out what got you to where you are now is practice. TheCore has robbed you of that practice, worse, it has robbed you of your illusion of natural talent.


  3. Don Music
      This is the muppet who would scream "I'll never get it" while banging his head repeatedly on the piano. The less said about this stage the better. You need know only the following: It will happen to you.


  4. Inflection Point
      You have been promised a carrot. Either you are the victim of a horrible practical joke or this will get better. And it does. You build your first few structures and units faster. Then your next few. Then the learning curve decreases. The buttons to change modes for Siege Tanks and Widow mines are the same, and your fingers remember. The buttons for casting Blink and Storm are the same as the buttons to research them and your fingers remember. The button for Zergling Speed is the same as the button for Hydralisk Speed, and your fingers remember.


  5. The Point of No Return
      You start to find new uses for Control Groups you thought would be useless. You react to drops and air harass with camera location keys that you thought you could never learn. You play for long hours and feel less tired. For fun, you try to play a game on your old hokey layout and realize that you'll never go back. You have reached the point of no return.


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             Visual aides and other resources on how to use and learn TheCore.
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Visual Aides
    Which finger should generally press what key
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    Right Handed
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    Left Handed
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Learning TheCore and playing more efficiently
    Drills, tricks and methods
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    TheStaircase
    Deliberate Practice

    Memorizing every ability in Sc2
    Harass Defense Drill / Using base-cameras
    Game Start-up Camera Drill
    Cloning
    Rapid Fire Worker Split

    Protoss Warp-in Drill

    Terran Leapfrogging
    Terran Supply Trick

    Zerg Larva Inject
    Zerg Egg-hotkey Drill
    Zerg Zergling/Baneling Control
    Zerg Swarm Host Control


    Arcade maps and extension mods
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    Creep or Die
      AM: starcraft://map/1/191595
      EU: starcraft://map/2/147635

    Darglein's Micro Trainer
      AM: starcraft://map/1/120086
      EU: starcraft://map/2/81536

    Darglein's Multitask Trainer
      AM: starcraft://map/1/130554
      EU: starcraft://map/2/88857

    Hotkey Trainer
      AM: starcraft://map/1/203953
      EU: starcraft://map/2/154305

    Marine Split Challenge
      AM: starcraft://map/1/101249
      EU: starcraft://map/2/69977

    SALT mod
      AM: starcraft://map/1/185537
      EU: starcraft://map/2/162333


File Location
    Windows
    Documents>My Documents>Starcraft II>Accounts>[Account number]>Hotkeys
    (If there is no Hotkeys folder, create a new folder and name it Hotkeys)

    Mac
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    On September 02 2015 21:59 MaxStout wrote:
    Ok Mac users! After spending an embarrassingly long time figuring out how to implement the hotkey layout in Mac OS X (Yosemite, although you should be able to do it with any version), I have figured it out! Since I planned on spending this time making what I can only assume will be a moderately to extremely frustrating process of converting to "TheCore", I figured I would delay my hair-pulling a little while longer to alleviate any undue stress for other Mac Users who may be tempted to give up DL-ing and using this hotkey layout (or any other for that matter), as I was this past hour+.

    First, you are going to want to make sure your Library folder is un-hidden, if it isn't already. The past few versions of MAC OS have the Library folder hidden by default (to prevent aimless tinkerers from messing up system settings I assume). The easiest way that I found is to click Finder->Go->Home(should display your username) then click the view menu at top View->Show View Options / Command+J and then click the "Show Library Folder" check box at the bottom. This allows you to access the Hotkeys folder which you may have been aimlessly searching for like some unnamed members of this forum

    Here is a link in case you want it -> http://osxdaily.com/2014/12/16/show-user-library-folder-os-x-yosemite/

    Next, and this is the really frustrating part if you had to figure it out like I did, you need to modify the file extension in order to have SC/Battle.net recognize it.

    The file path (from the OP) for Mac is: Macintosh HD (or whatever your hard drive is called)/Users/[username]/Library/Application Support/Blizzard/Starcraft II/Accounts

    This should now be visible if you did the first part.

    Now, even when you save it to the correct location and try to open it, it most likely will not show up in the drop-down menu in your SC Menu->options->controls->hotkeys window. You can try it just to see, but it will most likely not show up. This is because MAC OS is trying to "help" you by considering it a text document (like Gary Leong was trying to say in the OP's youtube channel : "TheCore Download and positioning."

    It assigns the Text Edit program as the default application for opening the hotkey file, and this makes it inaccessible to Battle.net/SC. It even adds and extra suffix (.txt) to the file, just to show you how stupid you are for using a Mac. You need to remove this suffix and then you should be good to go.

    Note the attached picture! You cannot simply do the slow Mac-style double click on the title to change the suffix. That only changes the actual title of the file, and not the file extension that OS uses to assign default programs, etc. You should not have to change the default program affiliation (Open With-> etc.) But you need to command/right-click the hotkey file and click "Get Info" then manually delete the extra .txt file extension that OS created in THAT window. I have added a screen shot to clarify.
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    obv, delete the highlighted section (.txt)
    I deleted the spaces in the file name of TheCore file that I downloaded during my earlier troubleshooting, but you shouldn't have to do that!

    Hit Enter. A pop up will ask if you are sure, hit "Use .SC2Hotheys" and you're done!

    Hope this saves you the time I spent! GL HF =)




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             Polls and high-level players recommending, learning or using TheCore.
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Polls
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    Poll: [TheCore Users]: What League are you in?

    Diamond League (49)
     
    22%

    Gold League (39)
     
    17%

    Grandmaster's League (37)
     
    16%

    Platinum League (30)
     
    13%

    Unranked (29)
     
    13%

    Silver League (17)
     
    8%

    Bronze League (17)
     
    8%

    Master's League (8)
     
    4%

    226 total votes

    Your vote: [TheCore Users]: What League are you in?

    (Vote): Grandmaster's League
    (Vote): Master's League
    (Vote): Diamond League
    (Vote): Platinum League
    (Vote): Gold League
    (Vote): Silver League
    (Vote): Bronze League
    (Vote): Unranked




    Poll: [TheCore Users]: What race do you mainly play?

    Zerg (39)
     
    37%

    Protoss (28)
     
    27%

    Terran (28)
     
    27%

    Random (10)
     
    10%

    105 total votes

    Your vote: [TheCore Users]: What race do you mainly play?

    (Vote): Protoss
    (Vote): Random
    (Vote): Terran
    (Vote): Zerg




    Poll: [TheCore Users]: What layout do you use?

    Protoss 2.0 (18)
     
    33%

    Zerg 2.0 (13)
     
    24%

    Terran 2.0 (12)
     
    22%

    Random 2.0 (6)
     
    11%

    Protoss/Terran/Random 1.0 (5)
     
    9%

    Zerg 1.0 (1)
     
    2%

    55 total votes

    Your vote: [TheCore Users]: What layout do you use?

    (Vote): Protoss 2.0
    (Vote): Random 2.0
    (Vote): Terran 2.0
    (Vote): Zerg 2.0
    (Vote): Protoss/Terran/Random 1.0
    (Vote): Zerg 1.0




    Poll: [TheCore Users]: What hand/size do you use?

    Right-handed Medium (33)
     
    58%

    Right-handed Large (12)
     
    21%

    Left-handed Medium (6)
     
    11%

    Right-handed Small (3)
     
    5%

    Left-handed Small (2)
     
    4%

    Left-handed Large (1)
     
    2%

    57 total votes

    Your vote: [TheCore Users]: What hand/size do you use?

    (Vote): Right-handed Large
    (Vote): Right-handed Medium
    (Vote): Right-handed Small
    (Vote): Left-handed Large
    (Vote): Left-handed Medium
    (Vote): Left-handed Small




High-Level Players Learning or Using TheCore
    x5PiG
      "TheCore makes use of the entire hand for maximum efficiency and pays large focus on the strongest fingers being utilised most."
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      "I first met Jak after being impressed with his tutorial videos on how to be more efficient in-game. After speaking to him in length about different mechanical methods he's discovered including TheCore I've come to realise that his creations are invaluable. A lot of people in our community, pros and personalities included, have a tendency to look for the easy mechanical solutions to problems and will try to justify it as the best simply because it fits with their own habits. I know I've been guilty of this myself as I try to find ways to navigate this exceptionally complex game. Jak on the other hand embodies the approach of a scientist. He posits solutions with an open mind and then tests them down to every last excruciating detail, all the while seeking feedback from progamers. I've never seen Jak dismiss an alternative as being "too tricky" or say this way is "just better" like I hear so many pros say. Instead he finds the absolute best method through painstaking investigation.
      TheCore is the culmination of his efforts towards hotkey layout. At the time of writing I'm awaiting a sizable gap in my tournament schedule to swap over to this far better setup than my own. TheCore makes use of the entire hand for maximum efficiency and pays large focus on the strongest fingers being utilised most. On top of this it is entirely customisable based on personal preference to round out the most effective hotkey setup."

    Fenn3r
    Neuro
    Sanddbox
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      On December 22 2012 09:08 sanddbox_sc2 wrote:
      I think I've been using TheCore long enough to finally put my two cents in. I didn't want to post until I could put my full endorsement behind TheCore, and now that I'm fully updated it's that magical time. Up until a few days ago I was on a sort of bastardized core (because I made the switch right before several changes were made that I didn't want to learn after going through the process once). Now that I'm playing HOTS, I've updated to the most recent version and been really surprised what an improvement it was over the version I was previously using.

      Switching to TheCore:
      If you play the game anywhere near a high level switching is going to be very painful for awhile - the first day you'll have trouble with very basic macro, but within a few days you'll find yourself learning the system and finding the hotkeys more natural. Completely learning the hotkey setup takes a lot longer than getting to a level of proficiency; like learning any skill, you'll run into the law of diminishing returns relatively quickly. My experience switching was made pretty painful because of some clan wars/showmatches I had to play in, so make sure you're not playing anything important within 3-4 weeks of switching (a month is really the time it takes to be able to tangibly feel the benefits, even though you'll be playing pretty well within a week).

      The best way to switch is to dive right in, and now that TheCore is a lot more fleshed out you don't have to worry about huge, sweeping updates to the system. The hotkey trainers help, although no matter what you'll have to just play a lot of games. Once you're reasonably proficient with the setup, you'll be able to guess what the hotkey is for an upgrade without having ever seen it before; the hotkey setup is just that well-designed. Obviously it'll be a complete shift in terms of hotkeys, however, so don't expect it to be easy, but it's certainly worth it in the end.

      Pros/Cons:
      TheCore is, to the best of my knowledge, the best and most intelligently designed hotkey setup out there, and although the learning curve is steep it's worth it in the end if you value your mechanics. I actually finally made the switch because of wrist pain (presumably some form of early RSI), and since then pain in my keyboard hand is basically gone; the setup itself is ridiculously more ergonomic than the standard setup.

      The only real con besides the learning curve is that playing campaign, custom games, other games, etc obviously don't use TheCore, and it can feel weird having to go back to standard hotkeys at times (although, like anything, once you've learned a hotkey setup you'll never forget it). If you're debating switching and plan to be playing Starcraft for more than a month into the future, make the switch - you won't regret it, although your cortisol levels will rise for about the first week or so.

      I'm now basically using the Standard version of the core, minus a few very minute adjustments (the biggest of which being that I don't use the layered inject method; I just hotkey each queen individually still).

      TL;DR: gud hotkeys

    NXZ
    Armi
    Echoic
    Pokebunny
    ELVIS
    SCA.Tieria
    StarNaN

High-Level Players/Coaches Recommending TheCore:
    LiquidTLO
      "If you want to become a pro one day, learning TheCore early on can help you"

    LiquidRet
      "For any aspiring progamer check out this hotkey layout (TheCore)"

    Lowko
      "I've advised people that I coach to do just that. (use TheCore)"



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             People who have put the most time and effort into the project.
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TheCore is a community project. It would be next to impossible to list every person who has contributed to the ideas and changes that have resulted in what TheCore is today. These are the people who have put the most time and effort into the project.

JaKaTaK
JaKaTaK makes educational content for Starcraft 2 on his stream, YouTube Channel, and other community sites like TL and Reddit. With FoxyMayhem, JaK created the first version of TheCore and is responsible for the final decisions regarding changes to TheCore. He also creates and maintains the seed file, documents, and answers questions and comments in the thread.

FoxyMayhem
I co-created TheCore, wielding the experience from my first 3 layout designs to push the limits with JaK. It is the culmination of all the ideas and criteria, it's great to see it's growing adoption. I'm really happy to see how many people pitched in to refine and support it, now that I'm spending all my SC2 time on the OneGoal Project!

JDublinson
Jonny "JDub" Weiss is a full-time software developer at Epic in Madison, WI, where he is captain of Epic's undefeated AHGL Team. JDub created the script that generates 44 of the 48 hotkey layouts based upon the initial 4 seed layouts that are maintained by hand. This script greatly sped up the development for TheCore, and has made it possible for the development team to support and maintain specific versions of TheCore for different races, hand-sizes, and languages. JDub's motivation for helping out was mainly personal, as he really wanted an up-to-date version of RRM 0.5 to use in season 3 of the AHGL, and maintaining 16+ versions of TheCore without a script had slowed TheCore update process to a crawl.

SixtusTheFifth
RaynorSnipe is on RaynorCommando, not Jim Raynor (Commando) but Jim Raynor (Sniper). Jim Rayor (Commando) is Raynor not RaynorCommando and does not snipe.

This is just one of the many lessons Sixtus learned when he began contributing to TheCore by adding campaign keys. Another lesson was "Do not put yourself through this again" but he must have lost that piece of paper because he came back for more with the release of HotS.

Sixtus also dabbled with writing motivational material, thankfully that was just a phase.

Jeremy
Jeremy is a computer science and philosophy student. He initially became involved with TheCore because he saw an opportunity to further enhance the Zerg layouts. Specifically, he aided with the design of the 3 ability / 1 Control group split of the home keys. He also facilitated the development of a layered control group for queens in order to make the layered inject method more efficient.

Graylin Kim
Graylin Kim is a full time software developer for the New York State Senate where he works on open data projects and open source software. Graylin maintains sc2reader, a python library that gives developers and researchers open access to the detailed game play data that they need to build better tools and do better research. Graylin built sc2reader for fun over winter break in college continues to develop it thanks to fantastic projects like the TheCore and GGTracker that remind him why open data is really that awesome. sc2reader was used in conjunction with a program developed by Voltaire to analyze professional games in order to find which actions were most often executed during TheCore beta.

Beedebdoo
Beedebdoo started major contributions to TheCore about 2 months before the release of 1.0. Since then he has pointed out a great number of inconsistencies, bugs, and small improvements to TheCore. He also designed the 1.0 reference spreadsheets, TheCore 2.0 OP and is responsible for the majority of the analysis, debate, and legwork required to produce TheCore 2.0.

Beedebdoo is also responsible for the majority of delays on TheCore 1.0's release date due to a flurry of excellent ideas and improvements for TheCore just before its release. This trend has continued with TheCore 2.0

YoTcA
YoTcA began his work at TheCore project during the planning of 2.0. He contributed by answering questions of users and assisting in planning and production of the hotkey layouts. He also worked on enhancing the functionality and presentation of TheCore spreadsheets.
This led to the creation of the export sheet, capable of automatically creating a multiplayer compatible hotkey file based on the contents of the development sheets, thus automatizing and speeding up layout production further.

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             'Ctrl+Shift+0', 'Ctrl+Alt', etc. If you have a question, this should be your first and fastest way to find the answer.
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  1. How long does it take to get used to TheCore on average?
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    It greatly depends on the quantity and quality of practice. If the player is very dedicated and uses this hotkey trainer in conjunction with other methods of Deliberate Practice TheCore can be learned in 1 week (on average). However if a player decides to learn TheCore by playing many games (200-300) of Starcraft with no particular focus in mind, a player can learn TheCore in 3-4 weeks (on average).


  2. My Ctrl+Shift+0 doesn't work / I can’t create my Control Group. How do I fix this?
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    This is a windows problem, not a SC2 problem.
      Windows 7:
        Look here for the way to fix it: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/967893

      Windows 8:
      1. Go to Control Panel
      2. Click Clock, Language, and Region Options (make sure to change the view to "category" or you will not see it.)
      3. Click Change input methods
      4. In the left side click Advanced settings
      5. Click Change language bar hot keys (blue link), and select Between input languages.
      6. Click Change Key Sequence.
      7. For Switch Keyboard Layout, select Not Assigned.
      8. Click OK to close each dialog box.


    Windows 10:
    1. Go to Control Panel, Language. Advanced settings.
    2. Under "Switching input methods" click "Change language bar hot keys"
    3. The option for "Between input languages" appears to show that only Left Alt+Shift is assigned to it.
    4. Select it and click "Change Key Sequence" anyway.
    5. It will now be apparent that there are actually two different key assignments here. The right column, "Switch Keyboard Layout" is assigned to Ctrl-Shift.
    6. Set it to "Not Assigned" and OK out & Save changes.


  3. Why does my camera move when I try to set a camera? / Why is "Center on Current Selection" bound to Alt?
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    Alt is set to "center on current selection" intentionally. The reason for this is that 6 cameras are dedicated base location cameras that will snap to your base whenever you want to shift+click back to minerals, do a transfer, or defend against a drop. These cameras are set with Alt and recalled with Shift in v1.0.

    To create the camera where there is no building, simply hold down alt, and move the camera to the desired location after it has centered on selection. Alternatively, you can rebind Center on Selection.


  4. How do I do larva injects with TheCore?
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  5. How do I get TheCore into Starcraft 2? I can’t open the hotkey file; what do I do?
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  6. Which keys do I press with which fingers?
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    Right Handed
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    Left Handed
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  7. Which Control Groups do you suggest I use for army, harass, macro, etc?
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    1.0: TheCore Reference Spreadsheets
    Here you can find our suggestions for Control Groups and Camera Location Keys as well as a list of all the keys for your version of TheCore. Just watch the video for your race and click the link below it for the specifics:


    Protoss
    Terran
    Zerg
    Random

    2.0: TheCore Master Spreadsheet
    Here you can find our suggestions for Control Groups and Camera Location Keys as well as a list of all the keys for your version of TheCore.


  8. Why is x hotkey set to Ctrl+Alt? It is so hard to press.
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    Many Keyboards have an Alt Gr key on the right side and an Alt key on the left side. In Starcraft 2, Alt Gr is represented by Ctrl+Alt. If you do not have a keyboard with an Alt Gr key, you have likely downloaded the wrong keyboard type.


  9. Why is the "Warp In" key so hard to press?
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    TheCore stresses tabbed production over things like the "Warp In" key. After weighing the pros and cons of each we found tabbed production to be superior. If you want to use the "Warp In" key, feel free to bind in the the place of one of the control groups.


  10. I can't reach certain keys while leaving the rest of my fingers on the home keys, what do I do?
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    TheCore (and probably sc2 in general) is better played with a "loose" hand. There should be as little stress in your hand as possible. When reaching for a key if your other fingers naturally follow your pressing finger a bit, let them do so. Not doing this will decrease your endurance and make your hand prone to injury.




Projects I'm Involved in:
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SunSpearGames
Vanguard Prototype RTS
The Core - Advanced Keyboard Layout
TheStaircase - Alternative Improvement Method
TheCore Lite - Advanced Keyboard Layout
Hybrid Graphic Settings
Static Defense Placement
Fast Facts - Tips, Tricks, and Trivia
TheCore - DotA 2 Edition


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ksert
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany7 Posts
June 02 2012 21:54 GMT
#2
<3 yeaaaaaaaaaaaaa, i will try it out immediately! i will report, but i am only bronze..thanks guys!
chambertin
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1704 Posts
June 02 2012 22:12 GMT
#3
So slick, can't wait to try!!!
"I know one thing, that I know nothing" - Socrates?
SupplyBlockedTV
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Belgium313 Posts
June 02 2012 22:14 GMT
#4
Finally, it has arrived :D Thanks alot.
PEW PEW PEW
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 22:27:23
June 02 2012 22:17 GMT
#5
Glad you guys are as pumped as we are!
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Sergio1992
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Italy522 Posts
June 02 2012 22:27 GMT
#6
For this release we have left and right handed layout for random players with or without 4th and 5th mouse buttons.


So there will be other releases? :D
FnaticPink
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark324 Posts
June 02 2012 22:29 GMT
#7
I don't understand. According to the setup if you use mouse in right hand you also have to use the right side of the keyboard only..? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?
ksert
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany7 Posts
June 02 2012 22:46 GMT
#8
if there are any low league guys out there, who want to test/train the new layout with me feel free to add me ingame

nick: tresk
charcode: 439
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 22:48:44
June 02 2012 22:48 GMT
#9
On June 03 2012 07:27 Sergio1992 wrote:
For this release we have left and right handed layout for random players with or without 4th and 5th mouse buttons.


So there will be other releases? :D


Our plan is to eventually have 48 different versions so that each person can pick the one that is right for them :D

On June 03 2012 07:29 EU.Pink wrote:
I don't understand. According to the setup if you use mouse in right hand you also have to use the right side of the keyboard only..? Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?


Not in this layout :D take a look at the video if you are confused about positioning.
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iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
June 02 2012 23:02 GMT
#10
I wish you would write out the hotkey binds for unit/building production. And what about the lazyman's camera hotkey, the base camera? I find I use it A LOT more than I thought (Terran, doesn't use camera binds).

Also I learned today that I'm a fingertip gripper. Yay me!
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
FnaticPink
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark324 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 23:07:58
June 02 2012 23:07 GMT
#11
wow it's almost too big a step for me to use completely new keys :p maybe/maybe not
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 23:14:11
June 02 2012 23:09 GMT
#12
Here you go!

Everything you could ever want and more (hopefully). Enjoy. As far as the base camera is concerned, feel free to change it.

EDIT: you did watch the video on how to put the file so you don't have to do anything manually, right?
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BadgKat
Profile Joined June 2011
United States156 Posts
June 02 2012 23:13 GMT
#13
I've been using a heavily modified standard for a while now. I'M going to give this a shot tonight and see how it feels. I've been Really exited to see how this would work for me. So much announcement of announcementing I wasn't sure how much longer i could take the hype
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
June 02 2012 23:15 GMT
#14
On June 03 2012 08:13 BadgKat wrote:
I've been using a heavily modified standard for a while now. I'M going to give this a shot tonight and see how it feels. I've been Really exited to see how this would work for me. So much announcement of announcementing I wasn't sure how much longer i could take the hype


Its going to be a weird at first, but having the shift key under my thumb feels soooo good now that I am used to it. GL HF
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bgalang92
Profile Joined February 2011
United States155 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 23:49:47
June 02 2012 23:44 GMT
#15
Switching straight to this right away! I'm a bit confused about the camera hotkeys, unsure of how to optimally assign them. I'm hoping this"ll be released in time?

Feedback I can currently give, I find the "Cancel" command awkward. With a command that I use very frequently, having to remove my hand from the rest position and back is much more difficult the hitting the escape key then going back to my old 1-4 control groups. I've assigned it to the spacebar (EDIT:Left Arrow key), since I don't use the keyboard to scroll at all, but I may switch it back to F5 if I find it doesn't work out very well.
7Sevii
Profile Joined September 2011
United States17 Posts
June 02 2012 23:45 GMT
#16
I am having some trouble finding the accounts folder on my mac. Could someone write how to load the file on a mac?


Thanks!!

Also I saw this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=338859 Where IM-LGMVP has his left hand on the left side of the keyboard!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 23:53:19
June 02 2012 23:49 GMT
#17
On June 03 2012 08:45 7Sevii wrote:
I am having some trouble finding the accounts folder on my mac. Could someone write how to load the file on a mac?


Thanks!!

Also I saw this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=338859 Where IM-LGMVP has his left hand on the left side of the keyboard!


As far as the Mac stuff goes, I am not sure where you have to put it. My best guess would be to make a really silly unique name for your dummy hotkey file and then run a search for it. Then you will have the directory it needs to go in. Macs are a bit trickier with this kind of stuff.

He didn't look like he was playing there, but I'd definitely be interested to see if he does this while he's in a game as well.


On June 03 2012 08:44 bgalang92 wrote:
Switching straight to this right away! I'm a bit confused about the camera hotkeys, unsure of how to optimally assign them. I'm hoping this"ll be released in time?

Feedback I can currently give, I find the "Cancel" command awkward. With a command that I use very frequently, having to remove my hand from the rest position and back is much more difficult the hitting the escape key then going back to my old 1-4 control groups. I've assigned it to the spacebar, since I don't use the last alert function at all, but I may switch it back to F5 if I find it doesn't work out very well.


We'll have a layered camera tutorial up as soon as we have the time. Basically the 5 layered cameras(set with alt) work best for your bases and the other 3(set with shift) can be used for whatever you feel is helpful :D

As far as Cancel goes, feel free to mess around with it until you're comfortable.
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iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
June 02 2012 23:53 GMT
#18
On June 03 2012 08:09 JaKaTaK wrote:
Here you go!

Everything you could ever want and more (hopefully). Enjoy. As far as the base camera is concerned, feel free to change it.

EDIT: you did watch the video on how to put the file so you don't have to do anything manually, right?


After reading the spreadsheet I think I'll be staying with my own custom hotkeys. Yours doesn't feel like its going to be efficient enough to get me to switch. Maybe after beta testing, when its more refined I'll come back and look.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Cozzak
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada54 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-02 23:55:50
June 02 2012 23:54 GMT
#19
I have to ask, why 'I' and then 'J' for spawn drone? I find that 'I' and then 'I' would be much quicker, especially because I and J are not the easiest to hit (as per your instructions its with the ring and pinky finger). Droning is a key part to Zerg, so I feel it should be an easier thing to do. For example, Darkgrid, hitting 'W' and then 'W' was so easy for making a drone, perhaps 'I' and then 'I' would be easier? I also feel like it would make sense because you make more drones than overlords, so the easier key hits should go to the more prominent units. Thats my thoughts so far for Zerg.

Still giving this a go, making adjustments as I see fit. So far its feeling very weird but thats expected, I'll get back when I test it more!

Thanks for your efforts by the way both of you ^^

EDIT: Missed bracket.
Learn. Adapt. Evolve.
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
June 02 2012 23:57 GMT
#20
On June 03 2012 08:54 Cozzak wrote:
I have to ask, why 'I' and then 'J' for spawn drone? I find that 'I' and then 'I' would be much quicker, especially because I and J are not the easiest to hit (as per your instructions its with the ring and pinky finger. Droning is a key part to Zerg, so I feel it should be an easier thing to do. For example, Darkgrid, hitting 'W' and then 'W' was so easy for making a drone, perhaps 'I' and then 'I' would be easier? I also feel like it would make sense because you make more drones than overlords, so the easier key hits should go to the more prominent units. Thats my thoughts so far for Zerg.

Still giving this a go, making adjustments as I see fit. So far its feeling very weird but thats expected, I'll get back when I test it more!

Thanks for your efforts by the way both of you ^^


Thank you so much man. As far as not using 'I' for drone, it is faster to hit PIJ than it is to hit PII (P is the optimal CG for hatcheries. The overlord is give the PII combination because you are likely building a specific number, and usually a lower number than other units.
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