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bobo38
Profile Joined February 2016
France220 Posts
December 09 2018 09:10 GMT
#8601
it seems to be related about a windows hotkey… I don't remember which one (maybe keyboard layout switcher)
Check out TheCore Lite last release:
https://github.com/bobo38/TheCoreLite/releases
FangorothHorde
Profile Joined June 2016
4 Posts
December 12 2018 22:53 GMT
#8602
So like a bunch of people, I'm trying to pick this back up because, well, I got bored. Downloaded 5.0, looking at the spreadsheet... and I'm not really seeing a handy list for control groups/cameras and whatnot like I did before. I look at the wording in the handbook, and I wonder if I misunderstood something. Is the intention for control groups not to be used anymore? Always kinda thought the point was to make all that easier, not eliminate it. It's possible I just missed something, but it'd be nice to NOT have to pull up the keybinds in-game every time I forget how a group is bound.
Ch40s
Profile Joined October 2018
5 Posts
July 17 2019 22:24 GMT
#8603
I'm thinking about trying out the Core but I have a Brazilian ABNT-2 keyboard. Has anyone attempted that? is there a premade mapping or ... ?

It seems rather interesting, and most ppl seem to recommend it when I say I use the grid layout with a few remappings for ctrl groups to capslock, etc ...

Ch40s
Profile Joined October 2018
5 Posts
July 29 2019 04:51 GMT
#8604
On July 18 2019 07:24 Ch40s wrote:
I'm thinking about trying out the Core but I have a Brazilian ABNT-2 keyboard. Has anyone attempted that? is there a premade mapping or ... ?

It seems rather interesting, and most ppl seem to recommend it when I say I use the grid layout with a few remappings for ctrl groups to capslock, etc ...



OK Guys, so ... I did some testing on how the mapping of the keys in the in-game hotkey editor mapped the keys to their text equivalent in the *.SC2Hotkeys files and it seems that, other than mislabeling the keys due to the different key positioning, the Portuguese and the Brazilian Portuguese (ABNT2) layouts are mostly compatible as far as theCore is concerned. The only caveat I could find is the fact that the ABNT2 kayout has an extra key for ?/ in the right hand side of the alphanumeric part of the keyboard that is a dead-key in as far as SC2 is concerned. I'll post any anomalies I find ... but it seems all is working fine!

(Posting this in the hope that it may help others with the same doubt in the future ...)
Ch40s
Profile Joined October 2018
5 Posts
August 02 2019 03:15 GMT
#8605
To follow up, after some help from jakatak on discord i found what files i needed to change and I have a slightly modified version of theCore 5 the works on ABNT2 keyboards. I'm posting this here in case anyone hits the same wall I did! (It's very frustrating when ur first obstacle to learning something is to actually install the tools u need to get started ...)

Link to the .SC2Hotkeys file : https://gofile.io/?c=hWlA8k

Hopefully this helps other ppl ^_^X
skdsk
Profile Joined February 2019
138 Posts
August 17 2019 15:07 GMT
#8606
Is this worth it? I use grid setup, im pretty happy with it, except for few issues, it feels alright for me, whats the advantage of core versus grid? i pretty much dont use my thumb tho for example, so with the core if i understand correctly thumb is used very much?
sh4z
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden7 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-31 10:16:01
August 31 2019 10:13 GMT
#8607
Is it correct that "Add to control group" should be using Control + Alt + Shift? That seems almost unusable to me!

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ctrl alt shift 8 is actually just unreachable, and my fingers are in such a messed up position.. did i get a bad version of the hotkey file or am i missing something
bobo38
Profile Joined February 2016
France220 Posts
September 09 2019 18:01 GMT
#8608
hi sorry for late answer, this TL thread is no longer that active

"Add to Control Group" is far less versatile than "Add to Control Group and Steal": using add+steal makes sure that units/buildings are in one group only. Therefore Add+Steal is mapped on Control+#group. "Add to Control Group" is not supposed to be used with TheCore

In TheCore, thumb is used to press modifiers (Shift/Control/…) with tilted keyboard

There is an active Discord group around TheCore, where you can find cool guys to answer your questions, here is an invite:
https://discord.gg/wxDWeP
Check out TheCore Lite last release:
https://github.com/bobo38/TheCoreLite/releases
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25013 Posts
September 11 2019 21:57 GMT
#8609
On September 10 2019 03:01 bobo38 wrote:
hi sorry for late answer, this TL thread is no longer that active

"Add to Control Group" is far less versatile than "Add to Control Group and Steal": using add+steal makes sure that units/buildings are in one group only. Therefore Add+Steal is mapped on Control+#group. "Add to Control Group" is not supposed to be used with TheCore

In TheCore, thumb is used to press modifiers (Shift/Control/…) with tilted keyboard

There is an active Discord group around TheCore, where you can find cool guys to answer your questions, here is an invite:
https://discord.gg/wxDWeP

Apparently the invite is expired? Be interested in joining myself
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
bobo38
Profile Joined February 2016
France220 Posts
September 12 2019 18:17 GMT
#8610
this one link should be ok
https://discord.gg/5BsbbyN
Check out TheCore Lite last release:
https://github.com/bobo38/TheCoreLite/releases
sh4z
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden7 Posts
September 17 2019 14:10 GMT
#8611
Thanks bobo that makes a lot of sense!
JaKaTaKSc2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2787 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-26 16:14:20
November 26 2019 16:14 GMT
#8612
We've got some extreme (even for us) changes coming to TheCore for version 6 (still in beta testing).

Take a look: https://imgur.com/gallery/4UyNpzI

Learn more on discord https://discord.gg/5BsbbyN
Commentatorhttps://www.youtube.com/JaKaTaKtv
Kertorak
Profile Joined November 2019
125 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-08 21:11:08
December 08 2019 21:10 GMT
#8613
good series on youtube. @jakatak
I wish I had quality over quantity | "The point of Sc<x> is that your skill a constant WIP - which provides that unique joy of the game - not to post which rank you are in a this moment"
bobo38
Profile Joined February 2016
France220 Posts
December 12 2019 21:46 GMT
#8614
You're so right. JaKaTaK's video content is really underated: compact, every second matters for key message

For those who don't know, most of older videos on this video channel as still pretty valid:
https://www.youtube.com/user/TutorialCentralSc2
One of the greatest on-line resources about SC2 for guys getting into this game, unfortunately not known as deserved considering the amount of video views
Check out TheCore Lite last release:
https://github.com/bobo38/TheCoreLite/releases
Kertorak
Profile Joined November 2019
125 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-21 13:16:20
December 15 2019 01:11 GMT
#8615
@control groups (skdsk, bobo38)

Both is great.
IIRC in one newer of Jakataks hotkey builds (core?) you can also simply "add" to control group.. because sometimes you want to use it! For example having main army at 1, but then (for instance) having banelings on 2 which are also at 1. And sometimes even an extra split group at 3 (all still at 1). Same with queens for me at least, and buildings.. generaly said, it is (sometimes) much better to not steal! I was certainly missing simple "add" when trying core.. Believe my I tried it dedicatedly.

For instance with terran production:
4 for all the buildings rally points... but 5 and 6 for factories starports respectively in addition for faster single production.
I personally use all the options but with different modifiers... so I am using add to control group and I am using steal from control group, both are pretty useful. There are also less accidents when you don't have steal for everything you do... I can exactly decide when and what to steal, and what to simple-add. Both is convenient to do...
But of course up to each's personal preference.

To Conclude IMO: When you remove yourself "add to group", you are disabling yourself as much as not using "steal", both add to your game play. So it is as suboptimal to say "you don't need simple-add to group" as saying, "you don't need steal" at least as a hint to someone.

- - -

@viewers

I think jakatak has plenty of viewers, at sc2 peak I saw hundred thousands of viewers at some videos etc. and private customers. I seen some of his videos back then, but I never dwelved into mass watching. TBH there was too much sc2 content.. I was more into watching a pro-match, tbh, or just experimenting myself/playing a bit (nothing serious). I don't want to make evaluations or assumptions here, he is also talking to people at content (youtube). and he streams. Overall great no doubt, nothing to criticize. If anything people prefer different content... some people prefer less compact content and a 30 minute video of entertainment, but I find it cool jakatak sticks to his roots and does videos how and what he wants, like those core keyboard setups, even doing a new series atm learning himself with the viewer - I pull my hat.

@bobo38 I am often wondering which videos are still up to date, because so many of them "don't work" anymore.... I have recently tried quite a bit... So it's maybe quite turning off (other) people who see the videos and then it doesn't work, you go to another channel. Of course you can look at the date. For instance quite a nice one was the many tricks with smart commands.

However today I am trying those, and can't make it work anymore, I don't know what blizzard changed. I asked around here in the forums, not much discussion about it. Let alone a helpful answer. (you can see my post history if interested).
So because I think the least people play sc2 that consistently to having followed each patch note and the changes - there needs to be more updates on what is outdated = cool retro content, and what is still useful, or somewhat.

That being said, alot of those are really cool indeed. I think this year I watched the one with queens in overlords putting creep tumors on the enemy expansions and then you let the overlord "be responsible". Hilarious and it works well !, I played that this year, however generally actually not as good anymore now a days since you need to upgrade each single overlord first (which is even more micro now - or more so the waiting time until the ovi upgrades).
I wish I had quality over quantity | "The point of Sc<x> is that your skill a constant WIP - which provides that unique joy of the game - not to post which rank you are in a this moment"
bobo38
Profile Joined February 2016
France220 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-15 19:58:37
December 15 2019 19:57 GMT
#8616
"add to group" is not useless indeed: only useful in some cases "add/steal": in case of 1 group per barracks/factory/starport as an example, or for special caster control group like stalker that you may want to have in more than one group. This one last example is explained at 4:48 in this JaKaTaK's video:

(i needed 6 months to understand all details of this one 5:53 minutes video, and I'd been already playing SC2 for 1-2 years, only 38k views)

For TheCoreLite it's there: on Control+Alt. But single modifier Control is for the add/steal which is easier for almost all aspects.

Any SC2 content related to meta will of course decay over time. Tutorial central has a lot of game UI (game settings, group ergonomics, fun facts etc…) and general approach content (TheStaircase) that are still valid, really well done. Of course some portion of video (like the one about injection) could be no longer valid (RapidFire inject no longer possible since LoTV release). This video related to injection is still one of the most synthetic summary about UI aspects of injection

I hope that it made my point clearer to you
Check out TheCore Lite last release:
https://github.com/bobo38/TheCoreLite/releases
Kertorak
Profile Joined November 2019
125 Posts
December 21 2019 13:22 GMT
#8617
(38k sounds alot to me, tbh!)

bobo38 nice. I will watch it, when I got some time. Rapid Fire injection - hah sounds OP :O
I understand your point clearer already,
thanks!

maybe just give the video to new players, too? I think I frequently meet "new" players online that I sometimes play a couple of training games with, however there are too many sc2 content I lost overview/track of - ones that are concise...
... That being said how you describe it, it sounds quite concise: so I will bookmark it. thanks!
I wish I had quality over quantity | "The point of Sc<x> is that your skill a constant WIP - which provides that unique joy of the game - not to post which rank you are in a this moment"
Sm1les
Profile Joined October 2017
7 Posts
January 02 2020 04:48 GMT
#8618
So for some reason the alt keys locks at random points when I am playing the game scince I started using the core+ I cant figure out why I have tried changing programs. It also seems to break synapse all together.
SentimentalBear
Profile Joined April 2020
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-04-20 20:55:27
April 20 2020 20:54 GMT
#8619
I've just swapped to TheCore v5 (right handed). I am loving many things about it but building overlords is not treating me well.

Overlord is now on ';', but select larva is not. That's because "morph lair/hive" is also on ';'. So this means to build overlord the sequence is:
0 (select hatches) => J (select larva) => ; (build overlords).
However... if I have no larva, this morphs my hatcheries into lairs. This prevents me from holding the overlord key down like I used to (I was on v3 before this), and it means I have to make the full sequence:
0 (select hatches) => Look at larva count to make sure not 0 => J (select larva) => ; (build overlords)

This is quite painful for such a common task - am I doing something wrong? It used to be Viper that was shared with upgrade Lair/Hive and that wasn't so bad because vipers were generally at the point in the game where I'm floating in larva, and I don't build very many of them.
hoshgie
Profile Joined April 2020
1 Post
April 25 2020 12:37 GMT
#8620
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